There's been some chatter on these blogs lately about the newly codified Blake's Law, named for its developer, Blake Stacey, and inspired by Godwin's Law. I've been mulling over another maxim dealing with Internet exchanges that I believe needs to be added to these; I'm just not sure precisely how to word it.
One thing many of us have learned is that it is easier to argue effectively against the ideas of people who are only a little crazy or uninformed than it is to handle people who are wildly, comprehensively ignorant. This seems paradoxical at a glance, and would be if applied to in-person debates, but owing to the nature of the online medium it's to be expected.
A few definitions: When I say "argue effectively," I mean present ideas in a way that would convince an objective onlooker in relatively short order that you've made an unassailable case and that the other person has no idea what he or she is talking about and is making things up on the fly; and when I say "easier," I mean easier from an executive and organizational standpoint -- those who have dozens of wrongheaded ideas about a given subject are willing and eager to churn out endless amounts of verbiage, cutting and pasting from various nutsites and intersperse this with unoriginally insane declarations and criticisms, making dealing with any one aspect of their BS beyond cumbersome.
As an example, look at strict Bible inerrantists. Where does one start with them? If people don't know after two pages of Genesis that they are dealing with allegorical literature, and can swallow the Noah's Ark story or notions of people living to be 400 to 900 years old, why bother pointing out comparatively mundane factual errors such as conflicting genealogies and alleged events not borne out by secular histories? Some claim the Bible is one hundred percent factually true, yet you can open it literally at random and find some absurdity or another within a minute or two of reading. No one can overwhelm that degree of insanity with logic and reason, certainly not in the presence of a dimwitted audience.
Mark at the Denialism Blog puts it succinctly: "If you throw enough shit most people will just look at the mess and say, 'I'm not cleaning that up.'"
For example, this woman, whose unapologetic dishonesty and and ad hoc emotional ranting Meatbrain regularly debunks, is as cranky as the day is long and twice as verbose. Look at a few things she says in one amazingly disjointed and error-packed evolution-denialist post :
"Creationists are using science to prove that the Bible is true; and they're doing a more effective job of it than the Evolutionists are proving that The Origin Of Species is true.""High-school textbooks represent the worst of evolution education, rehearsing long-disproved evidences such as the peppered moth, vestigial organs, and mutated fruit flies."
"ID experts are scrupulously secular, and their proposals are neither Christian nor creationist."
"Darwin's theory said ... that life itself was not created by God, but happened because the right chemicals came together by chance in the ancient ocean."
"Darwin's theory says fish evolved, through many intermediate steps, into human beings."
"If the theory of evolution is true, it would follow that species would not be going extinct because the environment is changing, they'd simply mutate and change with the environment."
"Even millions of years in the jungle, donkeys would still be donkeys, because they only have donkey genes."
Jungle donkeys! They're as common as marine lions and desert manatees, you know.
This list barely scratches the surface. "Cao" has thus afforded herself the uberwacko's unique form of pseudoprotection from refutation: She's flung out so many lies and misunderstandings that settling on and refuting even 10 percent of them would take far too long for even the most ardent and articulate science defender, and convince her and those even slightly sympathetic to her of nothing. This is why so many of us resort to bashing and mockery from the get-go; asmuch of a waste of time as this is, it cuts out the rhetorical middleman and saves hours of typing.
So have at it. Come up with a compact and useful definition and you'll have a law named after you, and will probably wind up in Wikipedia too.





Comments
Very simple... Zergs Law.
As in the Zerg Rush in Starcraft; you lay the basis for many small, almost baseless ideas to slam into your opposition and when it comes down to it. The ideas are so incoherent and half-formed that there is no way to refute them all.
Posted by: Kyle | July 18, 2007 1:43 PM
In debates, the technique of throwing out so many inane arguments that no rational debater can give a reasonable response to more than a few of them is the commonly called the "Gish Gallop". The article on Duane Gish in Wikipedia already mentions the term. What you are describing appears to be pretty much the blog version of it.
Posted by: tharding | July 18, 2007 2:11 PM
didn't know it was a law, but we always called it "If you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull****"
Posted by: skyotter | July 18, 2007 2:13 PM
The potential effectiveness of a refutation decreases exponentially and in accordance with the increase of noise in opposition. Eventually, you reach a point where the noise of irrational arguments cancels out any value a rational response would have.
Posted by: Keith Kisser | July 18, 2007 2:18 PM
I have the following edit to poster Keith Kisser's post:
Please correct me if my changes have resulted in modifying the intent of yor post.
Kisser's Rule: The effectiveness of a refutation decreases exponentially in accordance with the increase of noise in opposition, to the point where the noise of irrational argument cancels out any value of further rational response.
Keith's Corolary(s):
1.) The greater the noise, the lesser the quality of discussion.
2.) The person with the least intelligence will reach maximum noise level in the least amount of time.
3.) The quicker that religion or god or ID is mentioned, the quicker that argument will degenerate to uselessness.
HTH :)
Posted by: J-Dog | July 18, 2007 2:53 PM
This is of course where the prejudice against ad hominems breaks down - when the other side cranks out the shite too fast to deal with individually, the answer is to aim for the main nerve.
Posted by: Alex | July 18, 2007 3:18 PM
Would this be congruent to the "Gish Gallop"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Gish#Debates
Posted by: Scotty B | July 18, 2007 4:29 PM
Thanks for the extra publicity.
Posted by: Blake Stacey, OM | July 18, 2007 4:55 PM
Similar to the Gish Gallop in principle, yes, or for that matter to any form of noisty evasion. But as an online tactic it differs from Gish's time-honored one-on-one debating bullshit in that online, you canrespond at as much length as you want and also don't have to respond within any time frame. These differences are crucial. Then there's the matter of not being able to delete or modify your opponent's input, as anti-evolution, pro-Fudd winguts so often love to do.
Atheistic scientists are often accused of being too strident and mean (no names or well-known initials or even cephalopods mentioned), but one thing you don't see "Darwinists" do is delete inconvenient facts supplied by the other side (admittedly, none is ever supplied, or ever could be).
Posted by: Kevin Beck | July 18, 2007 5:18 PM
Kevin, pardon me if I'm being too simplistic, but is the law you're looking for the venerable "B.B.B.", or "Bullshit Baffles Brains"? I always thought that law was universal, but perhaps my thinking is provincial.
Posted by: Lorri Talley | July 18, 2007 8:06 PM
That's actually a little clearer than what I had, J-Dog.
It strikes me as a noise-to-signal ratio threshold problem: at some point the level of noise cancels out any signal hat would otherwise get through.
Posted by: Keith | July 19, 2007 1:24 PM
Kevin's Law: The only good arguing with a loon does is to boost the sale of headache remedies.
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | July 19, 2007 10:59 PM