It's funny how these things work out sometimes. I was reading an article on the Christian Science Monitor website, about simmering controversies regarding the religious views of our founding fathers (in the USA). As I was reading it, it occurred to me that it might be a good topic for a Skeptic's Circle post. Yesterday, I had seen a call for papers posted on Orac's site. So I went there to find out who is hosting this time, and saw that Orac had already posted on the same topic that I was considering: One last Fourth of July thought: Are we a "Christian" nation? Fortunately, he wrote about the issue from a different perspective that I was planning to.
This year, lots of fireworks over the Founders' faithMacDonald goes on to detail the arguments used by both sides to support their claims. Personally, I think the whole argument is mildly interesting, the way it is a little bit interesting to know about George Washington's false teeth; however, I do not see any reason to use the personal beliefs of the founding fathers as a guide for modern-day policy.
By G. Jeffrey MacDonald | Correspondent of The Christian Science Monitor
America's Founding Fathers often kept their religious beliefs close to the vest, historians say, but that just won't cut it anymore.
That's because, 230 years after the first Independence Day, Americans of varied political and religious stripes are determined to prove that the Founders' beliefs are similar to their own. Helped by a spate of new books this year, skeptics and believers alike have fresh intellectual gunpowder this July 4 for claiming the framers as members of their respective camps.
For a nation torn over what role religion should have in the public square, the stakes are high. Both religionists and secularists say they're under attack in the public domain and want America's first patriots on their side to maintain legitimacy...

Letter from George Washington about his false teeth
In the case of Washington's teeth, we have objective evidence that they existed, and what they were made of. However, we do not have such conclusive evidence about what the founding fathers really believed, with regard to their personal spirituality. We know some of what they wrote, and what some of their public statements were, but that only tells us what they wanted others to think. Furthermore, from what evidence we have, it is apparent that not all of the founding fathers had exactly the same ideas about religion. More to the point, not all of them had exactly the same ideas about the ideal relationship between church and state.
Besides, I am not sure that it matters what their personal religious beliefs were, any more than it matters what Washington's teeth were made of. With regard to the separation of church and state, we have to assume that they meant exactly what they put in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. That is what we need to focus on. Nothing else has any legal weight.
So when authorities on United States History argue that we ought to have a religious country, because the founding fathers were religious, I would have to question that (hence the motto: Question Authority). Likewise, when skeptics argue that the deistic tendencies of the founding fathers should be taken into account, I would have to question that (hence the motto: Question Skepticism).
Consider the following excerpt from the CSM article:
Some on the political left say the Founders' devotion to reason first and foremost is crucial to remember in a time when religiously inspired activists try to require critiques of evolution in public schools or to restrict public funding for scientific research, as in the case of embryonic stem cells.
I agree with the conclusion, but Washington's refusal to take communion has nothing to do with it. As an aside, I would have to object to the implication that it is particularly those on the political left who decry the teaching of creationism, etc. There are plenty of conservatives with that view. In the interest of clear thinking, let's keep the issues separate from the ideologies.










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There were some doubts about Benjamin Franklin. When a town in Masschusetts named itself Franklin and asked him to donate a church bell, he sent "books instead of a bell, sense being preferable to sound" His final summation came the month he died in response to questions from Rev. Ezra Stiles, President of Yale. In a letter dated March 9, 1790 ( a few weeks before his death), he said that he believed in God. "As to Jesus of Nazareth, my opinion of you partcularly desire, I think that the system of morals and his religion as he left to us, the best the world ever saw, or likely to see; but I apprehend it has received various corrupting changes, and I have with most of the dissenters in England, some doubts as to his divinity: though it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and I think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the truth with less trouble.'
Source: "A Benjamin Franklin Reader", Edited by Walter Isaacson, Simon and Schuster,(2003), pp. 376-378.
Posted by: Anandaswarup Gadde | July 5, 2006 6:57 AM
Must say I've never really understood the American obsession with the views of the founding fathers. How can the over 200-year-old views of these people confer any legitimacy on any modern-day political argument? Maybe I'm missing something but the whole situation of vying to get a bunch of corpses on your side seems pretty laughable to me.
I can almost understand it when religious people do the same thing with gods, prophets and the like (i.e. fictional characters or laughable representations of quasi-historical figures) but in the case in point we're dealing with plain old fallible mortal men who lived in a very different world. Their views, while interesting in a historical sense, are simply not applicable to the modern political arena.
Can anyone explain it to me?
Posted by: Lazarou | July 5, 2006 8:40 AM
A lot of political influence is gained or lost by the company one keeps. If a political figure is associated with a popular person, then that figure gains popularity. So in politics, it is advantageous to show that you have something in common with some popular or unassailable figure. Likewise, you can do damage to your opponent by showing that they are not affiliated with some popular figure:
"I knew George Washington, and you are no George Washington"
It is all about social status, social hierarchy, and other things that don't make sense but are very important anyway.
Posted by: Joseph j7uy5
| July 6, 2006 1:15 AM