John Ray spreads bogus quote

Brian Schmidt tries to track down a source for the quote “People Are Pollution” that John Ray claims was the slogan of Zero Population Growth. Ray was unable to give a source for his quote, which would seem to be bogus. Schmidt concludes:

I don’t think Ray is intentionally dishonest (unlike Benny Peiser) but I suspect the quality of his work on this slogan, given how often he repeats it, indicates how much one should trust anything from him that does not come with independent documentation.

A while ago I exchanged several emails with Ray trying to get him to correct his false claim that:

Malaria had almost been wiped out before DDT — one of the world’s safest chemicals — was banned under the pressure of baseless Greenie panic-mongering about a “silent spring”

When I pointed him to my refutation of his claim, he demanded I provide articles in peer-reviewed scientific journals to prove him wrong, even though he had no peer-reviewed articles to support his claim. I pointed out that my posts linked to several such articles. Ray responded by accusing me of lying because he could not find them. I cut and pasted the URLs from my posts and he eventually read one of the articles and produced this:

There have been reports too numerous to mention about the banning of DDT coinciding with a rise in malaria deaths in the Third World. It would appear however that the relationship between the two events has not been straightforward in at least some cases. One of my more dedicated readers has drawn my attention to this academic journal article (PDF) which reviews the use of DDT in India. As is occasionally mentioned, Third World countries were exempted from the ban at their own discretion and it appears from the article that India already had its own DDT factories so continued to use it. After some years, however, the mosquitoes developed resistance to DDT so it was that resistance which caused malaria to rebound in India rather than the banning of DDT.

So far so good, I guess, apart from not linking or acknowledging me by name. But how is going to fit this into his worldview (which is “Leftists and greens eat babies”). Well if the greens aren’t to blame for resurgent malaria in India, then….

The real problem behind the malaria resurgence, then, was the quite criminal bureaucratic incompetence of India’s socialist government in allowing resistance to develop. … Moral of the story? If the Greenies don’t get you the socialists will!

What did those socialists do wrong? Well, they skimped on the funding and didn’t spray enough. Curse those socialists for not making the government big enough!

Comments

  1. #1 Ian Gould
    July 16, 2005

    Amusing isn’t it that the spreaders of the DDT Ban myth are mostly on the pro-market Right and yet they prefer government spraying programs to the market-based solution of DDT-sprayed nets?

  2. #2 SimonJM
    July 17, 2005

    This coming from a man that basically thinks greens are Nazis amd that homosexuality should be considered a mental disease if only current leftie mainstream would acknowledge the ‘facts’.

    Another indication that can be a trained professional psychologist and still not know when you are under extreme confirmation bias.

  3. #3 ChrisV
    July 19, 2005

    I would agree with that last comment. I think Ray has the largest confirmatory bias I have yet encountered among bloggers. Facts which fit his worldview take on extreme importance, while facts which don’t are considered meaningless or otherwise excused.

    This is most readily seen in his portrayal of Nazis as Leftists. The fact that the name of the Nazi party was “National Socialist” is considered so important that for a time it occupied a place in the header of his blog. Whether Ray considers the name “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” to be equally descriptive of their ideology is not known. As for the hatred between Hitler and the Bolsheviks, among other Leftists, Ray dismisses this with “My reply is that there is no hatred like fraternal hatred and that hatreds between different Leftist groupings have existed from the French revolution onwards… So I am afraid that antagonism between Hitler and others proves nothing. If anything, the antagonism between Hitler and other socialists is proof of what a typical socialist Hitler was”. Exactly the same thing could be said about Reagan (or, indeed, anyone who has ever quarreled with socialism).

    Most recently, Ray’s systematic redefinition of “Left” to encompass anything evil led him to accuse most of his co-posters at the neo-Nazi-lite “Majority Rights” blog of being Leftists, something I’m sure they would be surprised to hear. I’m sure he also somehow considers Islamic terrorism “Leftist”, though I haven’t been treated to that particular argument.

  4. #4 Vendetta
    October 3, 2005

    Program on the emergence of civilization.

    “14 species of large animals capable of domesitcation in the history of mankind.
    13 from Europe, Asia and northern Africa.
    None from the sub-Saharan African continent. ”
    Favor.
    And disfavor.

    They point out Africans’ failed attempts to domesticate the elephant and zebra, the latter being an animal they illustrate that had utmost importance for it’s applicability in transformation from a hunting/gathering to agrarian-based civilization.

    The roots of racism are not of this earth.

    Austrailia, aboriginals:::No domesticable animals.

    The North American continent had none. Now 99% of that population is gone.

    AIDS in Africa.

    Organizational Heirarchy
    Heirarchical order, from top to bottom:

    1. MUCK – perhaps have experienced multiple universal contractions (have seen multiple big bangs), creator of the artificial intelligence humans ignorantly refer to as “god”
    2. Perhaps some mid-level alien management
    3. Mafia (evil) aliens – runs day-to-day operations here and perhaps elsewhere (On planets where they approved evil.)

    Terrestrial management:

    4. Chinese/egyptians – this may be separated into the eastern and western worlds
    5. Romans – they answer to the egyptians
    6. Mafia – the real-world interface that constantly turns over generationally so as to reinforce the widely-held notion of mortality
    7. Jews, corporation, women, politician – Evidence exisits to suggest mafia management over all these groups.

    Survival of the favored.

    Movies foreshadowing catastrophy
    1985 James Bond View to a Kill 1989 San Francisco Loma Prieta earthquake.

    Many Muslims are being used like the Germans and Japanese of wwii::being used to hurt others and envoke condemnation upon their people.

    I wish I could find a source to educate many Muslim fundamentalists. Muhammad is alive. He is a man chosen like Jesus Christ and, due to his historical status, will live forever.

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