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BBC Newsnight on Global Warming Denialists

Category: Global Warming
Posted on: October 1, 2006 1:01 PM, by Tim Lambert

Naadir has posted a couple of videos from BBC Newsnight on global warming denialists. Melanie Philips is revealed to be just as clueless as I suspected.

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Speaking of clueless, did you hear the news that Al Gore is claiming cigarette smoking is a significant cause of global warming?

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/09/gorecigarettesmokingcausesglobal_warming/

Has he finally gone over the deep end? Forget automboile emissions or oil- and coal-burning power plants. Cigarette smoke is the new menace?

Posted by: mike | October 2, 2006 12:42 PM

You are clueless if you believe that Gore really claimed that cigarette smoking causes global warming.

Posted by: Tim Lambert | October 2, 2006 1:55 PM

Still believe in the tooth fairy too, Mike? Consider getting your news on what Al Gore is saying from someone other than Matt Drudge, I'd suggest to you.

Posted by: frankis | October 2, 2006 6:40 PM

Hi Tim,

"mike" might be a hit and run poster. Do your responses also automatically go to the posters email address so they will actually be seen by that poster?

Thanks

Posted by: Mark Schaffer | October 2, 2006 8:06 PM

Melanie Phillips is one more denialist who's refused to bet over global warming. I emailed her in January, never heard back.

Posted by: Brian S. | October 3, 2006 11:34 AM

Heh, maybe Al Gore read this and got confused:

http://scienceu.fsu.edu/content/tobaccoyou/enviroment/docs/globalwarming.html

The smoke from cigarettes also contains greenhouse gases. Cigarette smoke contains carbon dioxide and methane. Smoking worldwide releases about 2.6 billion kilograms of carbon dioxide in the air every year. It also releases about 5.2 billion kilograms of methane every year. Tobacco growing, curing, and smoking all add to the greenhouse effect and global warming.

I like it how they say 2.6 billion kilograms instead of TONS. Maybe they should use milligrams to make seem even larger. :-p Plus isn't most of this CO2 recycled anyway? The only CO2 that I would consider "greenhouse" is the CO2 from the fossil fuel powered fertilizer. Again it seems they are artificially inflating their numbers.

Posted by: wacki | October 3, 2006 7:07 PM

It IS that 'Climate Change' is REAL, whilst the LIE is in the platforming attempt to overlay opinion of an unnatural 'greenhouse cause'. Narrow 'doom & woe' discourse attempting to lobby 'Idolisation of Opinion' being 'protected' by CENSORSHIP only shows its WEAKNESSES. Time NOW for the 'greenhouse wagoners' to notice what IS Natural, rather than demand we all 'believe' the "Greenhouse Idols".

The previous 400 years saw Human Population grow by ~5 Billion. The SPRAWL of this population was deferred however a persistent but DECREASING delay in development of needed technologies and materials. HOWEVER the next 100 years is expected to see ANOTHER ~5 Billion added to Human Population and there will NOT be any 'deferments' of sprawl related effect due to a 'technology lag'. There will NOT be then any deferment of observed IMPACT of such sprawl on the Environment in either consideration of Median Surface Temperature Rises OR alterations to O2 production & transport. "Humanity is building itself into a "Dishcleaner that will be held on Rinse". See outlines in link '**' below.

This new 'Human Habitat' will also exist within the expected Natural rise in relative sea levels, those of the Primary Crest position seen already to be ~30 meters + (vertically) on 'presently observed levels'. There will be many more rapidly 'spun up' storms in the 'near future' that have no relationship to any 'greenhouse supposition' and will not see 'remediation' of 'increased WORK potentials' from ANY 'greenhouse related effect'. It is not that ANY amount of idolism of 'greenhouse opinion' will halt the return of the Climate Tide and those attempting to promote 'political rhetoric' are required to either show that there IS an UNNATURAL problem in effect, as Climate is changing in a Natural and expected progression still.

Pollution, 'greenhouse labelled' or otherwise, is not wanted, but such pollution is NOT creating UNNATURAL climate alterations. It is certainly 'very plausible' for expectations of the overall Climate Oscillation to rise back into the Primary Crest behavior from NOW, this being the 'position' Climate held for the ~200,000,000 years prior to this now ~3 Million year long 'Trough' period. Humanity does indeed need to adapt, & to move Habitat and become less reliant on fixed infrastructure.

Thus, with Trees being 'abandoned' Millions of years ago, Caves abandoned Thousands of years ago, what next should be the question after the "Suburbia" of the Present, it is coming time to move again. The STORMS are telling the TRUE story, not the platformed 'greenhouse doom rhetoric and opinion idolism'.

There isn't a REAL reason to NOT openly discuss Climate, certainly the 'greenhouse platform' efforts to Censor discussion makes false the 'greenhouse climate position'. CO2 CANNOT produce, with regard to its REAL properties, any warming effect as outlined by 'greenhouse theory' and the 'quantity' of CO2 is of NO relevance to 'Climate process' within any considerations presented of 'greenhouse theory'. This is OBVIOUS and readily realised, hence the effort to produce CENSORSHIP and 'vindictive innuendo' citing such terms as 'denialist' with derogatory 'undertones'. See outline(s) in link '*' below, "To Start Discussion" and involve some SCIENCE in considerations of "Climate", for a 'change'...

Your's, Peter K. Anderson a.k.a. Hartlod™ E-Mail: Hartlod@bigpond.com ()- http://hartlod.blogspot.com/ (*)- http://hartlodsgallery.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Peter K. Anderson | October 3, 2006 11:12 PM

hey "Hartlod (tm)" -- it would help if you were published in a scientific journal other than "Star Trek Quarterly"

Posted by: Carl Christensen | October 5, 2006 6:59 AM

Peter,

Anybody can make up terms like "Primary Crest". Watch:

The climate is warming due to ASSYMETRICAL NEUTRO-FLUCTUATIONS, and my view is being CENSORED.

So let's get some SCIENCE in CLIMATE.

Here's a tough one. In 50 words or less, state why CO2 does not warm the planet. Ready......GO!

Posted by: A | October 9, 2006 6:12 PM