Eli Rabett has the latest: Monckton and SPPI seem to think that if you declare that it is "for educational purposes" you can ignore copyright.
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Monckton copyright scofflaw
Category: Monckton
Posted on: August 6, 2008 1:37 PM, by Tim Lambert
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It'll come.
Posted by: bi -- IJI | August 6, 2008 2:04 PM
Perhaps there should be a petition to encourage Smith to sue Monckton!
The knave deserves it.
Posted by: Bernard J. | August 6, 2008 11:02 PM
Bernard J.:
When there are so many petitions floating around, things can get pretty confusing. Of course, that's OK with the inactivists, who love confusion, but perhaps we should do better. :)
Posted by: bi -- IJI | August 6, 2008 11:28 PM
Tim,
You left out "you" in "if [you] declare that..."
[Thanks. Fixed. Tim]
Posted by: Barton Paul Levenson | August 7, 2008 7:14 AM
Tim,
Since your above post Arthur Smith has posted the following at Rabbett's blog,
"Actually, this is the first chance I've had to look at it, and it looks like they did meet the conditions I requested, at least in the updated version on the SPPI website."
I'm sure your, and Eli's, apology to Monckton is forthcoming.
Posted by: Lance | August 7, 2008 4:04 PM
Clue.
Posted by: bi -- IJI | August 7, 2008 11:47 PM
Clueless, Frank.
Best,
D
Posted by: Dano | August 8, 2008 9:38 AM
I demand you issue forthwith a full and complete and also not incomplete apology to the Fourth and Final Discount Monk of Peter Benchley. How dare you?
Posted by: El Cid | August 10, 2008 6:29 PM
Dear Lance,
You may have noticed that Arthur Smith's demand of Monckton was
Monckton did not do that although Smith may (after Eli's post on the matter) have subsequently waived these conditions. I stand by my post.
Posted by: Eli Rabett | August 10, 2008 8:13 PM
Dear Eli,
Monckton should obviously not misrepresent Arthur Smith as representing the APS.
That said he certainly has the right to respond to a paper publically criticizing, and citing, his work.
Posted by: Lance | August 11, 2008 11:55 AM
Not by copying the whole thing and before it is accepted and published. As Eli remembers (and he don;t remember too good lately) you are/were a graduate student. Did they throw you off the island for not studying the tribal mores?
Posted by: Eli Rabett | August 11, 2008 12:51 PM
Eli,
Quoting Monckton from your blog,
"Soon thereafter, a database manager for the American Physical Society, Arthur Smith, drafted and circulated a critique of Monckton's paper."
Assuming this is true, Monckton was just responding to something Smith had "circulated" himself.
Would you not grant Monckton the right to rebut Smith's rebuttal?
Posted by: Lance | August 11, 2008 3:08 PM
As Mary McCarthy once said about Lillian Hellman, when you quote Monckton, be aware that every word is a lie including the and and.
Dr. Smith sent a copy of his manuscript to the Forum on Physics and Society (a submission) to the Physics and Society, the Forum's current president (Zwicker) and to the authors of the papers he commented on
Monckton David Hafemeister & Peter Schwartz
This is by no means "circulating" the document, but submission with a courtesy copy to those whose work was commented on. In the usual run of things they would be asked by the newsletter for responses. Monckton then independently published Smiths comment without permission. Monckton is perfectly free to publish his own writings. He is not free to publish that of others without permission.
Posted by: Eli Rabett | August 11, 2008 5:17 PM
"He is not free to publish that of others without permission."
Fair enough.
If your version of the incident is correct Monckton jumped the gun and should apologize to Smith.
Posted by: Lance | August 11, 2008 6:10 PM