Open Thread 51

A new open thread for those off-topic discussions.

Comments

  1. #1 jakerman
    August 14, 2010

    >*The calculations of Nahle are correct. You’re demonstrating your ignorance on algebraic solutions.*

    Dan Kent, please show us how Nasif derives the numbers we are discussing 0.75 and -0.774.

    Were did you get these numbers from:

    >*289.26 K to 290.77 K, and 290.77 K – 289.26 K*?

    BTW we know that Nasif if wrong in his claim of cooling of 1.5 K. We also know he keeps changing his story of where the data comes from. Your assertions of knowledge on this matter read as nonsense without supporting citation describing what data you are referring to.

  2. #2 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*Clear your eyes with this masterpiece from Nahle high physics*

    Forgive me, I didn’t guess you were a poe until I read this. Poe’s Law and all. Hence my serious reply @501 was based on the misunderstanding that you were trying to be serious.

    I get the joke now.

  3. #3 Dan Kent
    August 15, 2010

    I’m sorry, but Nahle has explained the data came from NOAA database. You have access to NOAA database and confirm, as I did, the information provided by Nahle is absolutely correct.

  4. #4 Dan Kent
    August 15, 2010

    Here Nahle’s post:

    493
    The problem is that basic physics is out of the scope of your brain (knowledge). Let’s try again.

    The standard temperature of the troposphere is 290 K. In any given month, you obtain a meassure of 289.26 K; therefore, the change of temperature is negative:

    289.26 K – 290 K = -0.74 K

    In another moment, you use your thermometer and your temperature increased to 290.77 K; consequently, you would have a change of temperature equal to:

    290.77 – 290 K = 0.77 K

    Well… I hope your nut has catched the problem. After your measurements of temperature, you obtained two extremes, 289.26 K and 290.77 K. Obtain the amplitude of change. Please? Go on… Heh!

    Posted by: Nasif Nahle | August 12, 2010 5:11 PM

    He’s correct.

  5. #5 adelady
    August 15, 2010

    Oh. My. Giddy. Aunt.

  6. #6 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Oh Dan you were trying to be serious! Dear me.

    Nasif is citing nonsense numbers and refuses to show how he calculates each nonsense number.

    You are doing the same. You are directing us to a data base rather than citing the exact figures. Revelation of what the figures mean will undermine Nasif’s claim of 1.5 K cooling

    Just because someone claims that 1+1 =2 does not mean they can change the baseline reference mid calculation and get a valid result.

    >*the information provided by Nahle is absolutely correct*

    You mean like [this](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2710604):

    >*Those figures were taken from the UAH database on global fluctuation of tropospheric temperature.*

    If you want to advance the discussion just show how the [two figures were derived](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2722721). We already have the information showing Nasif is way off. Using NOAA data you both cite, there has not be a monthly -0.7 anomally since 1893. And not an annual anomally below the baseline [since 1976](ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/annual.land_ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat)

  7. #7 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Here is a link to the [monthly NOAA data](ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/monthly.land_ocean.90S.90N.df_1901-2000mean.dat) to make it easy for either Dan Nasif to backup their claims.

    But in reality, a link to data makes it hard for Dan and Nasif.

  8. #8 Dan Kent
    August 15, 2010

    From NOAA database:

    1893 1 -0.7
    1998 4 0.71

    It means, 290 – 0.7 = 289.3, and 290 + 0.71 = 290.71

    290.71 – 289.3 = 1.41

    Nahle calculated the amplitude and he’s correct.

  9. #9 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*290.71 – 289.3 = 1.41*

    You’ve just shown the globe has warmed 1.41. to 1998 (in an invalied method of cherry picking extrems).

    But to support Nasif you need to show it [cooled by 1.524 K](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2710146).

    Try again.

  10. #10 Dan Kent
    August 15, 2010

    From UAH database:

    Sep-84 -0.496

    Apr-98 0.786

    Standard temperature in Celsius = 17 °C

    Minimum change of T = 17 – 0.496 = 16.5

    Maximum change of T = 17 + 0.786 = 17.786

    Amplitude of change = 17.786 – 16.5 = 1.282

    So Nahle is correct.

  11. #11 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    jackerman

    I’ve no need on supporting anybody; science is on Nahle side.

    First you said Nahle had problems with arithmetic. He demonstrated you have problems with arithmetic.

    Nahle is not cherrypicking ciphers. NOAA and UAH follows the same methodology for calculating the amplitude of change of temperature since 1610 ad, since 1850 ad, and since 1980 ad. Are we cherypicking also?

    What your methodology is on calculating the amplitude of change of temperature?

  12. #12 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    So… What’s your answer, jackerman? Tell me what your methodology is on calculating the amplitude of change of temperature.

    Yours is pure nonsensical ad hominem attacks against me.

  13. #13 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Dan you just showed that its warmed 1.28 K from 84 to 98 (using the same invalid cherry picking of extremes). But to support Nasif you need to show cooling of 1.524 K. You have undermind Nasif’s claim.

    Try again.

    Nasif did you mistakenly sign your name to your last post?

    ;)

  14. #14 Dan Kent
    August 15, 2010

    It seems you don’t know the database from NOAA was adjusted recently by James Hansen. The ciphers referred by Nahle in 2007 were taken from the original NOAA database before it was corrected.

    So, you try again. Nahle asked you to say your methodology for calculating amplitude of change of temperature and you’re evading to give an answer.

  15. #15 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*Yours is pure nonsensical ad hominem attacks against me.*

    My tactic is to ask for the data. Your is avoid answering.

    There has been warming of global average of approx 0.7K from preindustrial levels. Comparing the 2000 to 2010 mean to the pre-1900 mean [confirms this](http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3vgl/plot/hadcrut3vgl/to:1900/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2000/trend).

  16. #16 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*Nahle in 2007 were taken from the original NOAA database before it was corrected.*

    So in 2007 the NOAA figures showed cooling (-1.524 K) but now warming (+1.41K?)

    You look silly.

  17. #17 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Your answer, jackerman… What your methodology is on calculating amplitude of change? Hah! :D

  18. #18 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*Your answer, jackerman… What your methodology is on calculating amplitude of change? Hah! :D*

    I Just showed you and backed it graphically using real data.

  19. #19 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Don’t you have any methodology or you’re afraid your ignorance is exposed?

    Show me your methodology for calculating amplitude of change of temperature. Don’t evade my questions.

  20. #20 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*Show me your methodology for calculating amplitude of change of temperature.*

    Mean anomaly for 1850 to 1900 = approx -0.3 K

    Mean anomaly for last 10 years = approx +0.4 K

    0.4 + 0.3 = 0.7 K.

    And I linked you to the [data and showed it graphically](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727057).

  21. #21 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Jackerman said:

    “My tactic is to ask for the data. Your is avoid answering.

    There has been warming of global average of approx 0.7K from preindustrial levels. Comparing the 2000 to 2010 mean to the pre-1900 mean confirms this.”

    1. I have answered every of your nonsensical questions. You have not answered a solitary one of my questions.

    2. You say the global average of warming is ~0.7 K.

    Now tell me, how you obtained that cipher? Show me your methodology… Hah! :D

  22. #22 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Jackerman wrote:

    “520
    Show me your methodology for calculating amplitude of change of temperature.

    Mean anomaly for 1850 to 1900 = approx -0.3 K

    Mean anomaly for last 10 years = approx +0.4 K

    0.4 + 0.3 = 0.7 K.

    And I linked you to the data and showed it graphically.”

    So your methodology is the same I applied and you’re cherrypicking ciphers. :D

    Hadn’t you said I was wrong in my methodology? :D

  23. #23 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Good night, DeWitt Payne or Jackerman… or whoever you are. Jajaja! :D

  24. #24 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif, are you a performance artist of some kind?

    Can you look any sillier?

    You’ve failed to shown how you derive your data. I’ve show you [how I derived mine](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727074). You could even link to the working [data showing the means](http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/hadcrut3vgl/plot/hadcrut3vgl/to:1900/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2000/trend).

    ***
    #—————————————————-
    #Data from Hadley Centre / UEA CRU
    #http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
    #For terms and conditions of use, please see
    #http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/terms_and_conditions.html
    #—————————————————-
    #
    #File: hadcrut3vgl.txt
    #
    #Time series (hadcrut3) from 1850 to 2010.5
    #Selected data up to 1900
    #Least squares trend line; slope = 0.000591067 per year
    1850 -0.354767
    1900 -0.325214
    #Data ends
    #Number of samples: 2
    #Mean: -0.33999
    e
    #Data processed by http://www.woodfortrees.org
    #Please check original source for first-hand data and information:
    #
    #—————————————————-
    #Data from Hadley Centre / UEA CRU
    #http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/
    #For terms and conditions of use, please see
    #http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/terms_and_conditions.html
    #—————————————————-
    #
    #File: hadcrut3vgl.txt
    #
    #Time series (hadcrut3) from 1850 to 2010.5
    #Selected data from 2000
    #Least squares trend line; slope = 0.00535134 per year
    2000 0.388644
    2010.5 0.444833
    #Data ends
    #Number of samples: 2
    #Mean: 0.416739

  25. #25 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif, are you a performance artist of some kind?

    Can you look any sillier?

    You’ve failed to shown how you derive your data. I’ve show you [how I derived mine](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727074). You could even link to the working [data showing the means](http://www.woodfortrees.org/data/hadcrut3vgl/plot/hadcrut3vgl/to:1900/trend/plot/hadcrut3vgl/from:2000/trend).

    ***

    #File: hadcrut3vgl.txt

    #Time series (hadcrut3) from 1850 to 2010.5

    #Selected data up to 1900

    #Least squares trend line; slope = 0.000591067 per year

    1850 -0.354767

    1900 -0.325214

    #Mean: -0.33999

    #Time series (hadcrut3) from 1850 to 2010.5

    #Selected data from 2000

    #Least squares trend line; slope = 0.00535134 per year

    2000 0.388644

    2010.5 0.444833

    #Mean: 0.416739

  26. #26 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    >*o your methodology is the same I applied and you’re cherrypicking ciphers.*

    No your method is makeup bogus figures, then continually lie about their source. Mine was to show you how to use the real data to compare long term means.

  27. #27 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Mine is real data also; it was taken from NOAA old database.

    Yours is not long term means because you’re NOT calculating amplitude of change, but cherrypicking average changes of temperature.

    Again, on calculating AMPLITUDE of change, you must take the minimum change of T and add it to the standard temperature; after, you must take the maximum change of T and add it to the standard temperature. Finally, you calculate amplitude. It seems it is too complicated to you…

    Let’s try again:

    Minimum change of temperature = -0.7 °C

    maximum change of temperature = 0.71 °C

    Standard T = 17 °C

    Minimum instantaneous T = 17°C + (-0.7°C) = 16.3 °C

    Maximum instantaneous T = 17 °C+ (0.71 °C) = 17.71 °C.

    Amplitude of change of T = 17.71 °C – 16.3 °C = 1.41 °C.

    The data were taken from modern NOAA database.

    That is AMPLITUDE of change of temperature. The difference between the minimum change and the maximum change or, in more comprehensible to you words, the steps of the stair. Jajaja! :D

    Good night, jackerman.

  28. #28 MFS
    August 15, 2010

    So Nahsif,

    You claim your data was conveniently obtained from a database, which has since been updated, so the data you are using is, in your own words, outdated.

    Am I reading this right?

    WTF???

    ¿Por que no nos dices de donde coño te has sacado esos numeros, con referencias exactas???

  29. #29 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif, your argument is all the sillier for [being persistent](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727060).

    You said your figures show cooling (-1.524 K) not warming (+1.41K?)

    Are you now claiming that NOAA data showed global up until 2007?
    What a stupid argument.

    You are a hopeless fraud. But like I keep saying, good on you for showing how bad denialist arguement are. I hope you get published on Watts, he like dills.

    Sunspot, why aren’t you defending Nasif, surely you much love this type of Nasif science?

  30. #30 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif, your argument is all the sillier for [being persistent](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727060).

    You said your figures show cooling (-1.524 K) not warming (+1.41K?)

    Are you now claiming that NOAA data showed global up until 2007?
    What a stupid argument.

    But like I keep saying, good on you for showing how bad denialist arguement are. I hope you get published on Watts, he like dills.

    Sunspot, why aren’t you defending Nasif, surely you much love this type of Nasif science?

  31. #31 sunspot
    August 15, 2010

    akerz,

    your getting hysterical, calm down deary,
    make yourself a nice cup of hot milo and read this.

    http://www.tinyurl.com.au/fzp

  32. #32 jakerman
    August 15, 2010

    BTW checkout how Nasif is changing his story [to this](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727102) but not so long ago [was this](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2707665).

    Nasif’s latest change include comparing the amplitude from 1893 to 1998.

  33. #33 Lotharsson
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif quoted:

    > “487 474 Lotharsson,

    > Knowing if numbers should be positive or negative, and when to add or subtract, are a part of basic arithmetic. Getting the sign wrong is just as wrong as any other mistake.”

    Nasif, learn to quote. Only one of 474 and 487 was written by me. And you didn’t quote that post – and from a quick scan of the posts since then, you **still** haven’t answered the questions nor addressed the issues that post pointed out. Were they too hard for someone of your scientific expertise and reputation?

    You continued:

    > Are you saying that a negative fluctuation, i.e. below zero is positive and that a positive fluctuation, i.e. above zero is negative? :)

    Which is entirely nonsensical. No-one is saying that.

    And you compound your idiocy with this:

    > Yours is not long term means because you’re NOT calculating amplitude of change, but cherrypicking average changes of temperature.

    Good grief. That’s really incredibly ignorant and approximately 180 degrees wrong. You don’t merely find the difference between two different years’ measurements of global average temperature to claim a trend; you actually **calculate the trend**. There is a huge body of literature on how to do this robustly which you’ve completely ignored. So showing a trend is precisely the opposite of “cherrypicking average changes of temperature”.

    And you still squirm and wriggle and refuse to show how you **even got the two numbers* that you performed arithmetic on in order to use the result to claim “there has been no global warming”:

    > Satellite data cooled 0.774 °C from January 2007 to May 2008. Given that the total warming since 1860 is 0.75 °C, we haven’t had any global warming anymore.

    In other words, your argument is so pathetic you
    (a) can’t even substantiate the numbers you so inaccurately characterised as proving there has been no global warming since 1860;
    (b) have grafted two different data series together without showing why doing this is correct
    (c) have ignored many actual calculations of trends since 1860 which show the opposite of your claim, and have provided no evidence why they are wrong and you are right
    (d) claim jakerman is “cherrypicking” by showing the source from which a trend from 1860 to 2008 (or even more recently) has been calculated which refutes your claim.

    You are truly a Dunning-Kruger poster-child. Not even Tim Curtin would try and make that argument.

  34. #34 Lotharsson
    August 15, 2010

    “Dan Kent”:

    > Nahle calculated the amplitude and he’s correct.

    Nasif wrote:

    > Again, on calculating AMPLITUDE of change, you must take the minimum change of T and add it to the standard temperature; after, you must take the maximum change of T and add it to the standard temperature. Finally, you calculate amplitude. It seems it is too complicated to you…

    Once more just on the off-chance that it will sink in – for some other reader, if not Nasif.

    You do NOT figure out whether the earth is warming or cooling by taking differences between two annual average temperature measurements, whether you cherry-picked them or not.

    You even more definitely do not do it by taking the difference between two **monthly** average measurements for **different** months of the year, as “Dan Kent” [has done](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727043) whilst claiming it supports Nasif’s methodology – [more than once](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727038), despite the answer in both cases **showing warming whilst Nasif claims cooling**. (Way to support Nasif’s argument! ;-)

    Nasif, your most egregious error is not your arithmetic. It’s that you make claims about changes to global climate warming or cooling based purely on the difference (or “amplitude” if you like) between two sample points rather than calculating a trend using enough data points to minimise the effects of the well-known noise in the measurements. I’m pretty certain you are incapable of understanding why this is a terrible error, but I would love to be surprised.

  35. #35 Dave R
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif Nahle and [sock puppet](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727046) “Dan Kent”:
    >it was taken from NOAA old database.

    No it was not you liar.

  36. #36 Wow
    August 15, 2010

    “Minimum change of temperature = -0.7 °C

    maximum change of temperature = 0.71 °C

    Why do yo include all this?

    “Standard T = 17 °C”

    Minimum instantaneous T = 17°C + (-0.7°C) = 16.3 °C

    Maximum instantaneous T = 17 °C+ (0.71 °C) = 17.71 °C.”

    When the “standard T” is added to both then the difference removes them?

    Is it because you don’t know any maths?

    See here:

    http://tamunews.tamu.edu/2010/08/10/students%E2%80%99-understanding-of-the-equal-sign-not-equal/

    for the sort of problems Nasif is undergoing and not alone.

    Quote:
    “‘The equal sign is pervasive and fundamentally linked to mathematics from kindergarten through upper-level calculus,’ Robert M. Capraro says. ‘The idea of symbols that convey relative meaning, such as the equal sign and “less than” and “greater than” signs, is complex and they serve as a precursor to ideas of variables, which also require the same level of abstract thinking.’ The problem is students memorize procedures without fully understanding the mathematics”

    Is this not Nasif to a T?

  37. #37 Wow
    August 15, 2010

    ” 2.

    You say the global average of warming is ~0.7 K.

    Now tell me, how you obtained that cipher? Show me your methodology… Hah! :D

    Posted by: Nasif Nahle |”

    Here would work:

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

    See if you can see the ciphers here.

  38. #38 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Dave R. says:

    “536
    Nasif Nahle and sock puppet “Dan Kent”:

    it was taken from NOAA old database.

    No it was not you liar.

    Posted by: Dave R | August 15, 2010 7:05 AM”

    No, YOU ARE the liar:

    Database from NOAA:

    1880 1 -0.0491
    1880 2 -0.2258
    1880 3 -0.2095
    1880 4 -0.1221
    1880 5 -0.1279
    1880 6 -0.1757
    1880 7 -0.1709
    1880 8 -0.1118
    1880 9 -0.1130
    1880 10 -0.2201
    1880 11 -0.2689
    1880 12 -0.1148
    1881 1 -0.0619
    1881 2 -0.0483
    1881 3 0.0603
    1881 4 0.0371
    1881 5 0.0561
    1881 6 -0.1160
    1881 7 -0.0292
    1881 8 -0.0455
    1881 9 -0.1668
    1881 10 -0.2496
    1881 11 -0.3141
    1881 12 -0.0696
    1882 1 0.0288
    1882 2 -0.0731
    1882 3 -0.0374
    1882 4 -0.2110
    1882 5 -0.1414
    1882 6 -0.2022
    1882 7 -0.2031
    1882 8 -0.1003
    1882 9 -0.0983
    1882 10 -0.1809
    1882 11 -0.1420
    1882 12 -0.2151
    1883 1 -0.2746
    1883 2 -0.2858
    1883 3 -0.1416
    1883 4 -0.2277
    1883 5 -0.1346
    1883 6 -0.0086
    1883 7 -0.0834
    1883 8 -0.1240
    1883 9 -0.1624
    1883 10 -0.2145
    1883 11 -0.2478
    1883 12 -0.1058
    1884 1 -0.1819
    1884 2 -0.1954
    1884 3 -0.2517
    1884 4 -0.2920
    1884 5 -0.2032
    1884 6 -0.2457
    1884 7 -0.3129
    1884 8 -0.2588
    1884 9 -0.2947
    1884 10 -0.2107
    1884 11 -0.3269
    1884 12 -0.2083
    1885 1 -0.4125
    1885 2 -0.2810
    1885 3 -0.1631
    1885 4 -0.2458
    1885 5 -0.2636
    1885 6 -0.3314
    1885 7 -0.2400
    1885 8 -0.2133
    1885 9 -0.1780
    1885 10 -0.1347
    1885 11 -0.0543
    1885 12 0.0666
    1886 1 -0.1235
    1886 2 -0.3381
    1886 3 -0.2273
    1886 4 -0.1165
    1886 5 -0.0952
    1886 6 -0.1782
    1886 7 -0.1156
    1886 8 -0.1238
    1886 9 -0.1501
    1886 10 -0.2185
    1886 11 -0.2510
    1886 12 -0.0964
    1887 1 -0.3936
    1887 2 -0.3890
    1887 3 -0.1799
    1887 4 -0.2186
    1887 5 -0.1619
    1887 6 -0.2202
    1887 7 -0.2182
    1887 8 -0.2790
    1887 9 -0.2371
    1887 10 -0.3152
    1887 11 -0.1966
    1887 12 -0.1970
    1888 1 -0.4146
    1888 2 -0.3431
    1888 3 -0.2778
    1888 4 -0.1329
    1888 5 -0.2026
    1888 6 -0.1478
    1888 7 -0.1079
    1888 8 -0.1727
    1888 9 -0.0900
    1888 10 -0.0131
    1888 11 -0.0589
    1888 12 0.0348
    1889 1 -0.0902
    1889 2 -0.0228
    1889 3 0.1029
    1889 4 0.0425
    1889 5 -0.0394
    1889 6 -0.1082
    1889 7 -0.1217
    1889 8 -0.1262
    1889 9 -0.2227
    1889 10 -0.2521
    1889 11 -0.3280
    1889 12 -0.1581
    1890 1 -0.2582
    1890 2 -0.3179
    1890 3 -0.3137
    1890 4 -0.2803
    1890 5 -0.4050
    1890 6 -0.2869
    1890 7 -0.2200
    1890 8 -0.3058
    1890 9 -0.3264
    1890 10 -0.2757
    1890 11 -0.3706
    1890 12 -0.2566
    1891 1 -0.3431
    1891 2 -0.4891
    1891 3 -0.2168
    1891 4 -0.2286
    1891 5 -0.2110
    1891 6 -0.2635
    1891 7 -0.1994
    1891 8 -0.2013
    1891 9 -0.1320
    1891 10 -0.2777
    1891 11 -0.3916
    1891 12 -0.0789
    1892 1 -0.2657
    1892 2 -0.1270
    1892 3 -0.2427
    1892 4 -0.3336
    1892 5 -0.2952
    1892 6 -0.3019
    1892 7 -0.3356
    1892 8 -0.3188
    1892 9 -0.1893
    1892 10 -0.2198
    1892 11 -0.4449
    1892 12 -0.4366
    1893 1 -0.7020
    1893 2 -0.6533
    1893 3 -0.2148
    1893 4 -0.3650
    1893 5 -0.3683
    1893 6 -0.2570
    1893 7 -0.1883
    1893 8 -0.2946
    1893 9 -0.2613
    1893 10 -0.2140
    1893 11 -0.1707
    1893 12 -0.2393
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  39. #39 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Wow says:

    “Here would work:

    http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs/Fig.A2.lrg.gif

    See if you can see the ciphers here.

    Posted by: Wow | August 15, 2010 7:59 AM”

    Poor “Wow”… He cannot distinguish between a graph and a database. Hahaha! :D

  40. #40 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    And jackerman doesn’t know the concept of AMPLITUDE.

    Read scientific books.

  41. #41 Bernard J.
    August 15, 2010

    Dave R beat me to the observation that “Dan Kent” is a Nahle sock puppet. And a clumsy one at that – when English is not one’s first language, it is very difficult to disguise language idiosyncracies.

    Nahle failed in this.

    He also failed to understand what ‘standard temperature’ is. [At #450](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2709862) and [at #493](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2722552) he uses 290 K. He also does this at [#505](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727011) in his “Dan Kent” guise.

    The thing is, standard temperature is defined by IUPAC as being 0 C (= 273.15 K), and by NIST as 20 C (= 293.15 K). Neither value is Nahle’s/Dan Kent’s 17 C/290 K version – and this guy thinks that he is a physicist!!

    As a side note, at [#512](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727046) Nahle hilariously referred to himself in the third person, as [jakerman saw too](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727051), obviously thinking that he was writing as “Dan Kent”, or simply habitually signing his real name when he intended to use “Dan Kent”.

    It’s a sad thing indeed when a self-styled physicist, who is in reality nothing of the sort, has to resort to multiple personalities in order to convince an audience that there is wide agreement with his nonsense.

    How humiliating for the silly man.

  42. #42 chek
    August 15, 2010

    And poor ole Nasif doesn’t know the concept of imparting information.

    Thousands of words saying nothing so far.

  43. #43 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    Posted by: Lotharsson | August 15, 2010 5:31 AM

    “Nasif, your most egregious error is not your arithmetic. It’s that you make claims about changes to global climate warming or cooling based purely on the difference (or “amplitude” if you like) between two sample points rather than calculating a trend using enough data points to minimise the effects of the well-known noise in the measurements. I’m pretty certain you are incapable of understanding why this is a terrible error, but I would love to be surprised.”

    The first argument was that I had problems with my arithmetic. Now it is because I calculated amplitude of change of temperature.

    My methodology is in print on any book of physics. It is not any cherrypicking.

    For calculating amplitude of change, you must take the maximum negative magnitude of change and substract it from the maximum positive magnitude of change. It doesn’t matter when it was given:

    Wilson, Jerry D. College Physics-2nd Edition; Prentice Hall Inc. 1994. Page 523.

  44. #44 Nasif Nahle
    August 15, 2010

    “542
    And poor ole Nasif doesn’t know the concept of imparting information.

    Thousands of words saying nothing so far.

    Posted by: chek | August 15, 2010 12:01 PM”

    Nasif says…

    Yes, chek… It happens when readers like you know nothing about science.

  45. #45 Tim Lambert
    August 15, 2010

    Yes, Dan Kent has the same IP address as Nasif Nahle. Kent/Nahle is banned.

  46. #46 Dave R
    August 15, 2010

    Nasif Nahle, post 462:
    >Those figures were taken from the UAH database

    You’re a liar, Nasif Nahle.

    Nasif Nahle, post 472:
    >those figures referred to Max and Min fluctuations of temperature by HadCRU and NOAA

    You’re a liar, Nasif Nahle.

    Nasif Nahle, post 528:
    >it was taken from NOAA old database.

    You’re a liar, Nasif Nahle.

  47. #48 Bob_The_Cat
    August 15, 2010

    No, Nasif is not a liar. The database he posted here was taken from NOAA databases.

    You have more problems on credibility:

    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/mcshane-and-wyner-2010.pdf

  48. #49 Bob_The_Cat
    August 15, 2010

    Additionally, Nasif was banned on this blog, so he cannot answer your flawed pseudoscientific arguments.

  49. #50 Bob_The_Cat
    August 15, 2010

    ftp://ftp.ncdc.noaa.gov/pub/data/anomalies/monthly.land _ocean.90S.90N.df _1901-2000mean.dat

  50. #51 Wow
    August 15, 2010

    “He cannot distinguish between a graph and a database.
    Posted by: Nasif Nahle”

    Hmm. In what way is there evidence I don’t know the difference, Nasif?

    You haven’t given any database values that give your numbers. Yet that graph shows the 0.7C warming that check et al are talking about.

    Seems the kid can’t understand pictures either.

  51. #52 TrueSceptic
    August 15, 2010

    It is a shame that Nasif has been banned, because I’ve waited over 2 years for him to explain:-

    1. Exactly how he obtained his figures (no doubt we can all find many, many ways of mangling the data from just about any temperature series to produce his “amplitudes”, but I want to know how he did it). It appears that he has no idea of the meaning of the data he used.

    2. Why warming and cooling are both negative, i.e., cooling is cooling but warming is cooling too!

    3. Why it makes any sense whatsoever to produce one “amplitude” for 1860-present, and another for Jan 2007-May 2008.

    He’s also incompetent in attributing comments to the right commenters in this thread.

  52. #53 Bernard J.
    August 15, 2010

    Tim Lambert.

    Might I suggest that Nahle be given 48 hours in which to address the criticisms directed at him, and to make a comprehensive case?

    If, after this time, he has not made any substantive postings, we can assume that he concedes his incompetence and then we can put his whole nonsensical garbage to bed.

  53. #54 Lotharsson
    August 15, 2010

    It **was** mildly amusing that the sock puppet refuted the argument of the puppeteer that animated it, a fact of which the puppeteer remained blithely oblivious…

    …while he continued to tell everyone else they “don’t understand science”.

  54. #55 Tim Lambert
    August 15, 2010

    Bernard J, he’s has plenty of time to do that, so I doubt that more time will help. But if he makes a post along those lines, I’ll allow it through.

  55. #56 TrueSceptic
    August 16, 2010

    552 Tim,

    And not just here. He had about a year at JREF, starting in 2008. He’s added nothing to that, even after a further year. In fact, it’s amazing that anyone could learn so little in so much time.

  56. #57 jakerman
    August 16, 2010

    TS @549, Nasif was simply lying. He showed that by claiming the figures where from [UAH](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2709955), then HadCrut and NOAA, and changing dates from [1860-2007](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2707665), to [1893-1998](http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2010/07/open_thread_51.php#comment-2727038). And finally changing a claim of cooling of 1.524 K to his dramatic reversal of using the figures to show warming of 1.41 K.

    I don’t think he could possibly roast himself any further.

  57. #58 Stu
    August 16, 2010

    Yep Jakerman is right and Dave R showed it very succinctly @547. Nahle lied about his numbers and had no case. Since he had no case, no-one was agreeing with him and so he made possibly the worst sock puppet in all of history.

    This thread should just be left as a depressing relic of Nahle’s incompetence and arrogance.

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