Jonas Thread

By popular request, here is the Jonas thread. All comments by Jonas and replies to his comments belong in this thread.


  1. #1 Wow
    February 5, 2013

    And now you’re going to come back with some sort of insane dribble…

    You’re too predictable.

    The moronic are.

  2. #2 Stu
    February 5, 2013

    Oh hai, Jonas. Since you’ve been telling us that your education is superior to anyone else’s here…

    What is it?

    Share your educational background, Jonas. You brought it up, you used it as an argument. Put up or shut up. Share or admit you are a lying weasel.

  3. #3 Jonas N
    February 6, 2013

    Stu, there is only one person tp blame for you being stung both both by the claim to ‘have studied physics for six years’, having a fit over ‘different speeds among hand/box’ and siding with lominous who beyond any doubt demonstrated that he was incompetent …

    And you (only) value here is that it gets others here, who pretend to speak for the science, or even claim they are involved doing science themselves, to side with you, Wow, the cheks, and each other.

    Personally I can’t understand why people knowingly are willing to demonstrate such an ignorance, and even showing how immensely immature they are at the same time, by throwing around stupid names and childish insults.

    But this is Deltoid for you, The know-nothings gather and shout and if anybody mentions som inconveninet fact or only opinion, the henhouse cackle errupts … and people like you are happy to join in not knowing your foot from your mouth.

  4. #4 Jonas N
    February 6, 2013

    Well, I see chek (in the Matt Ridley thread) is getting cocky, claiming I don’t dare to reply to Bernard J’s drivel …

    .. but first after Tim erased my answer.

    And that my comments even here are held up ‘in moderation’. Well I reckon that’s the level here, those guys need all the help they can get, to look as if they had some valid points.

    GWS, one reason why I rarely ever read at Real Climate is because they there need the exact same help for the home team, by erasing relevant and pointed questions, ‘inconvenient’ facts etc. They are not interested in (or capable of) a rational informed debate, only the appearence of quick shot-downs they can convey with tailored and erased comments, trying to make others look stupid.

    The fascinating thing is that there are those who really believe(?) or pretend that they are then ‘winning’ a debate.

  5. #5 Jonas N
    February 6, 2013

    What a joke … comments held ‘in moderation’ for 24 hours. Other responses to direct questions and challenges are erased so that the regulars here (afterwards) can claim I ‘ran away’. When was the last time any of them even tried to argue rationally?

    Most of them don’t even know what their own side’s position is …

  6. #6 Stu
    February 6, 2013

    The question is not what you think, Jonas. You’re too stupid to spell, too stupid to read and too stupid to comprehend math and physics.

    I asked you a very simple question. It would take you about a minute to answer it. The only reason you wouldn’t is because you are a liar, a coward, or both.

    What is your educational background, Jonas?

  7. #7 Stu
    February 6, 2013

    (Oh, and by the way, yes, you are a coward for not replying to Bernard’s challenges, Jonas. He offered you a good-faith bet about a year ago that you’ve done everything in your power to ignore. If you truly believed in your viewpoint you would have taken that bet, but you did not. I’m glad you brought up “dare”, cupcake. It once again proves what a chicken-sh*t weasel you really are.)

  8. #8 chek
    February 6, 2013

    Oh come on Jonarse. You knew you were fucking Tim over by breaking your curfew – but thanks for doing so as it demonstrated how shallow your made-up “knowledge” actually is to everyone folowing this blog and not just aficionados of this thread.

    Now, you were saying about how you responded to Bernard J’s challenge? Your response should be safe enough here in your own little blog shitbucket.

  9. #9 Jonas N
    February 7, 2013

    Stu .. so you think you can tell me anyting, anything at all regarding math and physics?

    You the guy, who attended highschool, who imagined different speeds between hand/box, who never saw anything wrong with luminous drivel … You who think two sentences after one another are two difficult to comprehend?

    Sorry kiddo, I really have not seen any challenge at all from you. Not even an attempt. (Unless you want to label your ‘different-speed-hand-box’-idiocy a challenge. And look how stupid that made you look)

    So what do you guys have left? You can’t even argue without Tim’s delete button.The guys there don’t even know how the extra (AGW-) greenhouse effect is supposed to work. Rehashing Gore-level descriptions by seveal of you, it’s jsut amazing how shallow your understanding is.

    Have you even read what Wow says? Or Stu? Or chek or Jeff … or Bernard? Some even seem to think that Bernad had a point! What point? Bernard has absolutely no clue about anything relevant to what I aksed/pointed out. And the lot here was equally clueless, and just blindly chose an equally stupid side. I don’t even know why! Unless none of you know what you are talking about,

    OK, with Stu, Jeff and Wow this is already established (in slightly different ways). Chek’s best argument is spelt ‘Jonarse’ which he repeats over and over again. Then there are the Vince, Lotharson, and a bunch of others on the same level.

    Well, if ‘learning’ is reading and rehashing whatever you guys find at SkSc, then it makes sense. And is a good indication of the stupidity of much of the CAGW-crowd ..

    No wonder you never venture out of your protected zones …

  10. #10 Wow
    February 7, 2013

    Well, I called it.

    Nostradamus, eat your heart out!

  11. #11 Stu
    February 7, 2013

    Tim’s delete button? Ah yes, nothing like a good persecution complex.

    Jonas, here’s a challenge. Prove that your education is superior, by actually listing what it is.

  12. #12 chek
    February 7, 2013

    It’s no good whining about how everybody else just isn’t smart enough to know anything and/or recognise your greatness. Nobody forced you to come here with your God complex and play the big man. That was your strategy, but it hasn’t worked.

    You’re a small fish from a little denier piss pond called Climatescam and that’s what you always will be, along with Olap and PantieZ and Griselda. Hopefully their level of stupid will be a burden on you for years to come.

  13. #13 Jonas N
    February 7, 2013

    Stu .. I backed up that assertion, quite a number of times. You just weren’t capable of understanding it. Wich is no surprise given what you’ve managed here …

    Jumping in, thinking that hand and box move at the same speed when pushing .. somhow is proof of profound understanding you have … and (as you imagined) others lack ..

    Just amazing Stu .. still is!


  14. #14 Stu
    February 7, 2013

    chek: At least Jonas has the good sense not to quote Monckton… pentax can’t seem to help but cut and paste him.

  15. #15 GSW
    February 7, 2013


    Agree with you about realclimate, the only thing worth reading is “the bore hole” – always interesting to what is “en vogue” in heretical views. 😉

    gavin’s yearly “turd polishing” has become something of an event for me I’m afraid. The travesty of the “lack of warming” is becoming something of an embarrassment, and after gavin’s recent communique with Revkin, definitely worth tuning in to.

    Hope you are well Jonas!

  16. #16 Vince Whirlwind
    February 7, 2013

    Yes, it must be awful for you having to confront a blog that honestly reproduces competent science and analysis.

  17. #17 Jonas N
    February 7, 2013

    GSW .. Sorry, but TIm’s (?) latest strategy is to keep my comments waitíng for some 24h så that any rational debate or discussion becomes extremely slow. And gives the Wows, Stus and cheks of this site the helping hand they really really need (to not being contradicted)

    I don’t know about hte borehole. I don’t think they send erased comments there. Just some.Others never make it at all. And you can see by what they let through (from their side) what the real level is. Like here.

    No integrity at all .. At least not from anyone of the regulars ..

  18. #18 Jonas N
    February 8, 2013

    Vince …

    I think the problem much more is that the believers and faithers here have some severe issues with non conforming beliefs, facts and even opinions.

    I have not seen any real scientific arguments presented to counter the points I have made. But very much shouting (and some opining). I have not seen much honesty either, or reproduction of science (whatever that is on a blog).

    And you are mistaken about the ‘aweful’ too. I am perfectly aware of where I am, however it seems that quite a few find my presence and what I say about the issues very very aweful. So aweful that they demand Tim helps them to protect their fragile feelings …

    Stu, you seem to think that education is a piece of paper, with some letters written on it. Or the time spent to receive that paper piece. It’s neither! The education is what you actually learnt and what you can do with that knowledge.

    Look here for instance, Jeff and some more I believe have PhDs, and some even feel cocky about having such a diploma. But look what they can do with that piece of paper here! Although angrily shaking that CV at me, he sounds as stupid as Wow and you most of the time, his comments are as relevant as yours (ie completely irrelevant). Or chek, his strongest argument spells ‘Jonarse’ which he repeats time and again ..

    I mean, so far (and thats 1½ years now) there has hardly been any contest. A very few have managed to argue their points lik adults … very very few.

    So did you have a valid point? About anything I’ve said, Stu? Your most ‘valid’ contribution thus far was realizing that a hand pushing a box is in contact with it while pushing. However, you seemed to believe that was some very deep and profound insight you hade to convey to others, even feel cocky about!

    But claims like your: “You’re too stupid .. to comprehend math and physics” still only are immensly stupid since they are so utterly wrong that ‘clueless’ is far too kind a descpription. So why would even a cluless bystander like yourself knowlingly make an idiot out of one self by trying such nonsense?

    Maybe in the hope of getting a pat on the head from equally clueless Jeff … like “Stu nailed it ..”, I don’t know.

    But as I said, I appreciate also you guys, primarily because you make the (formally) eduvated show their hand too when they actively side with you … and it’s always a good laugh. Like “Stu nailed it .. ” when you both were just desperately guessing and hoping in utter darkness ..


  19. #19 pentaxZ
    February 8, 2013

    Hey you regulars, why do you think the goracle don’t dare to take the debate?

  20. #20 GSW
    February 8, 2013


    “GSW .. Sorry, but TIm’s (?) latest strategy is to keep my comments waitíng for some 24h så that any rational debate or discussion becomes extremely slow.”


    ” I don’t think they send erased comments there. Just some.Others never make it at all.”

    Yes I’ve had both, very much depends on who’s moderating at the time. gavin is actually one of the better ones (Bore hole rather than erase).

    “No integrity at all .. At least not from anyone of the regulars ..”

    Assume you mean at realclimate (although it applies equally here). Commenter profile has changed over time; used to be alot of “I used to be a denier, now I’ve seen the light” evangelical /temperance meeting type people – that seems to have gone now thank heavens, always a bit creepy anyway.

    Now it’s evolved into a different type of loonie. Those seeking confirmation of their own personal bizarre “theories”; “Yes, I’ve always wondered about sub saharan farming practices affecting lower tropospheric humidity levels and the knock on effect that this would no doubtedly have on summer arctic ice melt” or “Alpine glacier response is the canary in the coalmine for the decade on decade trend for a delayed East Asian summer monsoon” i.e. Unmitigated Bollocks!

    realclimate’s kind of quiet these days, not the force it once was. Sks have taken up the baton here, the realclimate lot still think they are scientists and there is a limit to how far they can go, even for the cause. Sks just doesn’t care.

    Enjoy Jonas!

  21. #21 Jonas N
    February 8, 2013

    Naw GSW ..

    Regarding the non-integrity, I meant all those here, who cannot help themselves but need to make iditioc claims and assertions and (very likely, knowingly) tell untruths … Or who linke papers they haven’t read, and make far reaching claims about the contents.

    Not every one of the can be an adolescent teenager not able to keep hormones and frustrations at bay .. But grown ups, with PhDs, even claiming to work with science. It is really hard to fathom.

    And no, I had never seen RC comments like: “I used to be a denier, now I’ve seen the light”, and if so this smells really fishy, nobody really labels themself as ‘denier’

    Yes SkSc is a travesty … as is Lewandowsky … Here i Sweden, the most know climate-faith site just tried to push for Lewandoswky’s latest, ‘plugging’ his ‘results’ as ‘science’. But very few care and even less comment there ..

  22. #22 Wow
    February 8, 2013

    “realclimate’s kind of quiet these days”

    Yeah, they’re busy doing real work, unlike you.

  23. #23 Stu
    February 8, 2013

    I wonder why Tim put a hold on your comments, Jonas. You haven’t been a naughty boy by breaking your quarantine, have you?

    By the way Jonas, what is your education?

  24. #24 Wow
    February 8, 2013


    His education is Uneducated.

  25. #25 Jonas N
    February 12, 2013


    The banning, the erasing, the holding up ‘in moderation’, and also the editing, the ‘answering’ in mid-comment, the selectively and randomly applied ‘moderation rules’, and in some cases even ‘revising’ of skeptical comments etc ..

    All which in various degree occur at essentially all activist blogs and sites are done for the puropse to ‘help’ the home team: They are (deemed) necessary in order to tell the ‘right story’ or give the right appearance. It is considered necessary to shape the world more towards how they want it to be, rather than how it actually is.

    Which is completely in line with both the climate scare alarmism, and some of the ‘science’ said to support the same alarmism.

    The childish ‘rules’ and demands to comply with them are just subterfuge and pretext to avoid dealing with the context, and hiding its substance and concealing thw weakness of the own position.

    It is perfectly visible here. For someone with an education and who is capable of using it, that is, Stu ..

  26. #26 Stu
    February 12, 2013

    You have been confined to this thread and thrown in moderation by default. All the other things you mention are figments of your fevered imagination, and things that happen at denialist sites — not here. But why let facts get in the way of a perfectly good martyr complex, right?

    So you’re saying you have an education, Jonas? What is it?

  27. #27 Jonas N
    February 12, 2013

    Stu …

    Contrary to you, I am very capable of dealing with facts and knowledge. And the reasons why such must be confined, ‘moderated’, delayed and hidden at sites like this are exactly the ones I detailed.

    It is possible that you truly are unable to see that (although it is bleeding obvious) but you were never part of any discussion here. Just think of the fact that you for more than a year tried to convince yourslef(?) that you could teach me anything about math or physics … You, Stu! What were you thinking, kid?
    With what were your thinking?


  28. #28 Stu
    February 13, 2013

    Yes, again, why let facts get in the way of a perfectly good martyr complex, right?

    But hey, speaking of someone teaching you math and physics, who tried? What is your education, Jonas?

  29. #29 Jonas N
    February 13, 2013

    Stu, you say:

    All the other things you mention are figments of your fevered imagination, and things that happen at denialist sites

    And that is true for most things you and others bring up here. They are totally disconnected from anything relevant and most often also from any reality. You, the Wows, cheks and Jeffies are making all kinds of things up from your imagination because reality is too dofficult to handle for you. And whatever beliefs you have picked up, it seems they origin from ‘denier sites’ like SkSc, Desmog and the like ..

    And wrt to ‘a perfectly good martyr complex’ it is you guys here who both feel sorry for yourselves, demand more ‘protection’, that people are banned, and whine about all kinds of things that happen in the real world.

    And as I say, your fragile egos can’t handle if problems and errors are pointed out with your pet-scare-theory-turned-unsupported-faith. Many here start derailing and screaming the moment one only utters some ‘heresy’ ..

    You need to remember that it is I who come here, and you guys hardly ever daring to comment at sites where the erase button is not used as the core part of the argument.

    Heck even here, in the proteced zone, Jeff and others start yapping for ‘help’ if comments get too ‘problematic’ for them.

    And yes, it is comic beyon belief that you who (according to your own account) could not see anything wrong with all the bad physics of luminous, not even after they were repeatedly detailed, and still beleived you could land a hit. (We all know how that turned out for you, and you seemingly still mentally are licking your wounds, and denying that it really happened)

    What were you thinking (with) Stu?

    Well, you obviously lack the education I assumed that a freshman or sophomore student receives in most natural science educations (and should remember, once reminded). And that’s OK Stu. I just wondered why you for more than a year felt obliged to pretend some cockiness over your lack of knowledge and understanding. Even wanting to ‘speak for’ the (assumingly highschool-) teachers of the world. What were you thinking (with)?

    You guys mostly can’t even argue your own side of the argument properly. I know your arguments better than you (who often don’t even understand what it’s supposed to mean: ‘Unprecedented warm La Niña’ for instance. You didn’t know wither, just yapping along … )

  30. #30 chek
    February 13, 2013

    Why not just quit the pretence Jonarse? You’re a word merchant – and a pretty poor one at that – who gets ripped apart like a wet paper bag full of unset jelly anytime you encounter a real (i.e. professional) scientist.

    You don’t have what’s needed, never did and never will. I’d advise asking the Oregon Institute (home schooling dept.) for the money back and cut your losses.

    Tell you what for free though – the ‘I sees no attribution’ schtick was quite a good one if your aim is to collect a dozen or so PantieZ clones together. Sticking to your schtick could have easily doubled that in a few years (Although how you’d stand two dozen fawning knuckle-draggers would be your problem).

    But no – where you blew it was joining in with all the passing denier memes you felt compelled to offer your support and fealty to, just like PantieZ and his unquestioning adoptance of Goddardscience. Anyone with half a brain could see they were desperate, shit-grade sewage, but you had to go along You didn’t have the background or discrimination to know they were weapons-grade stupid just passing through.

    But then if deniers weren’t specious, under-educated, badly informed dunderheads, they might conceivably be more than a minor annoyance and a stark reminder of humanity’s self-inflicted stupidity. They might work their way up to butt pimple status.

    Bye then Jonarse. I hope becoming a PantieZ-grade cultivator constitutes an episode in your life that haunts you for years to come.

  31. #31 Jonas N
    February 14, 2013


    You capability to assess and process information has never impressed me, Neither has anything else.

    The wordsmiths are on your side, and most of you are pretty lousy at that too, They try ‘Jonarse’, ‘denialist’ and ‘fuckwit’ etc. Maybe that is what you mean by “gets ripped apart like a wet paper bag”, but as noted for 1½ years now, your words are just the frustrated ramblings of somebody who wants but cannot ..

    There has hardly been anybody here arguing against me in the manner of a professional scientist. Mostly it has bee uninformed and unchecked(*) appeal to perceived authority. Only a few have behaved like professionals, and at least managed to formulate their own stance and interpretation without derailing. Some have argued (in a civil manner) that IPCC authority should be accepted, but could not respond to the specific criticsim I had on some of the assertions.

    But mostly, people here just sound like you and Jeff, and have essentially no contact at all with any relevant issues. Just the uninformed screeching and repetition of SkSc- and Desmog-memes. (I noticed your completely uneducated ‘assessment’ of McIntyres chriticism in some other thread. Again, things you only believe and are incapable of assessing. And you even go the Deep Climate storry wrong, And there was the glacier-freshwater meme too)

    As I’ve noted from early on, and said many times. People like you, Jeff, Bernard and all the others, who feel that they need to throuw around terms like ‘denier’ etc, never have anything to contribute to a discussion, mainly because they have no clue what it is about. And this place has shown many ample examples of that.

    As I’ve said, and some (but not all finally) have understood, my education and professional training, expertiese and experience make me very well suited to argue the things I actually argue. And you guys mostly just want to avoid these things more than anything else …

    One particurly cute incident was when I gave a longer reply to Bernards ramblings, visible for quite som time. And only after Tim erased it, you popped up and claimed I didn’t dare to reply. That is the your level chek, you need all the help you can get, and even then mostly are clueless …

    (*) As you /by now) know: That prominent AR4-claim

  32. #32 Stu
    February 14, 2013

    Yes, Jonas, narf narf narf.

    What is your education?

  33. #33 Jonas N
    February 14, 2013

    Stu … It is all that I claimed it is, and more …

    Have you had a point so far? Like:

    What is the warmest La Niña ever?


  34. #34 Vince Whirlwind
    February 14, 2013

    Jonas reckons he has arguments against the IPCC.

    When will you publish those arguments and thus add your knowledge to the common body of climate-related understanding?

    Or is there some reason why your arguments can only ever appear on blog comments?

  35. #35 Stu
    February 14, 2013

    So again, Jonas, you are too ashamed of your education to share it with us.

    I’m sorry sweetheart. It must REALLY, REALLY suck.

  36. #36 Jonas N
    February 15, 2013

    Vince ..

    How is your ‘warmest La Niña ever’ coming for you? 🙂 Stu thought you really had a point there ..

    The arguments against the IPCC and the claims they make are plenty, and made by many more than me. On all kinds of topics, aspects and details.

    Here for instance, the non-existence of published science supporting, let alone establishing, that most prominent AR4 claim is one thing I pointed out.

    It seems you ‘argue’ that such an observations needs to be ‘published’, ie published that something else was not published, first before guys like you (who never ever have seen that allgeged science) dare to get near this fact.

    Well, that’s my point too: It all is very bizzare in Deltoid-land, where everything else can be brought up, just not änything of substance that deals with actual topic

  37. #37 Jonas N
    February 15, 2013

    Stu #5935

    As I said, the Deltoid-hangarounds have a propensity to make up stuff they rather want to be true, by just imagining it. And in many cases, I’m sure, they don’t even believe what they wish, but they wish it so badly anyway. Or even bacause …

  38. #38 Stu
    February 15, 2013

    It seems you ‘argue’ that such an observations needs to be ‘published’, ie published that something else was not published,

    I see your education did not include being coherent. Poor Jonas.

  39. #39 Jonas N
    February 15, 2013

    Stu ..

    I don’t even need to remind you of what ‘your education’ led you to believe about a hand pushing a box … And I’m not even talkning about the physics you never learned. Just comprehension of the words when someone pushes a box.

    But I won’t hold it against you if you don’t understand what Vinces said, and I thereafter explained what that meant in in context. I don’t expect this from you. I only find it peculiar that someone on your level tries to be cocky about his own nonsensical rants here

    Have you made a coherent argument yet Stu? What was that?

  40. #40 Stu
    February 18, 2013

    Jonas, I already accurately summarized and explained the hand-box thing here. I’m sorry your pathology won’t allow you to let it go. It’s just sad.

    In the end, it’s probably just too complicated for you. Something must be lacking in your education.

    Speaking of which, you pathetic lying little weasel, what IS your education?

  41. #41 Jonas N
    February 19, 2013


    I would not use the word ‘accurately’ in connection with any statement of yours about any issue here. You really still seem to be in denial about what a fool you made of yourself back then.

    And given you lack of understanding about even simpler matters, that may be understandable.

    However, what is less understandable is your (only displayed?) pretence of knowing things wrt to physics, math, education, climate or science in general. That part is absolutely laughable ..

    Regarding my education, I’ve already answered every relevant aspect of that question repeatedly. And still, kid, you don’t know the first thing what to do with that.

    You probably still have no clue where luminous (repeatedly) lost it completely. Which only underlines that ‘education’ is not really your thing. You missed it even when it was pointed out … couldn’t see a think.

    Poor kid


  42. #42 Jonas N
    February 20, 2013

    Not only you Stu, but most of the regulars here are not having a good year (once again). Nothing really is going the alarmists’ way nowadays. And the sputtering of the believers here over absolutely ridiculous things is tragical and big comedy at the same time.

    I see that BBD, who some year ago still tried to follow a reasoned debate, now hangs here and tries his (often very) uniformed appeals to authority, and what he believes those say. In more open debate fora, he was taken apart quite easily, and only very few near-nutters sided with him. Here, at least the regulars cheer him on. Even more uninformed!

    But hey, if you don’t know anything about the natural hard sciences, if you don’t even know what the scientific methods means, not even the simpler parts of it, that’s where you are left ..

    You must keep guessing in utter dark, and occasionally go bonkers over a hand pushing a box … believing you’ve landed a major hit. Again guessing this in utter darkness …

  43. #43 Jonas N
    February 20, 2013

    Not only you Stu, but most of the regulars here are not having a good year (once again). Nothing really is going the alarmists’ way nowadays. And the sputtering of the believers here over absolutely ridiculous things is tragical and big comedy at the same time.

    I see that BBD, who some year ago still tried to follow a reasoned debate, now hangs here and tries his (often very) uniformed appeals to authority, and what he believes those say. In more open debate fora, he was taken apart quite easily, and only very few near-nutters sided with him. Here, at least the regulars cheer him on. Even more uninformed!

    But hey, if you don’t know anything about the natural hard sciences, if you don’t even know what the scientific methods means, not even the simpler parts of it, that’s where you are left ..

    You must keep guessing in utter dark, and occasionally go bonkers over a hand pushing a box … believing you’ve landed a major hit. Again guessing this in utter darkness …

    Poor kids


  44. #44 Jonas N
    February 20, 2013

    This practice of trying to ‘contain’ real discussions, and worthwile debates with better informed people, but in specific and seperate threads ..

    .. must have a reason.

    As must the practice of delaying comments for a day or so …

    I wonder what Occam would have thought the simplest possible explanation would be …


  45. #45 Stu
    February 20, 2013

    Yes Jonas, I can’t see a “think”. Christ on a crutch you’re a moron.

    You have not answered what your education actually is. You’ve said it is better. Cupcake, that is an argument by assertion. Everyone knows this. Everyone sees this. You’re a sad, sad little man. If your education is superior, all you need to do is…

    LIST IT. What is your education, Jonas? I mean, really? How bad can it be?

    Jonas, did you even make it out of high school, sweetheart?

  46. #46 Wow
    February 20, 2013

    ‘sfunny: no chubby asking Joan why so coy…

  47. #47 Jonas N
    February 21, 2013

    Stu … not only only answered, but even demonstrated … with you watching right there. Don’t you remember? It was what caused you go bananas over a hand pushing a box. And you could see nothing wrong. Nothing at all before losing it, Stu ..

    There is no challenge there. I don’t even need to take my hands out of my pockets. Whatever you think is ‘education’ is not even on the map Stu.

    Still, and in spite of your 1½ year of trying, You haven’t had e point yet. None. You noted that a hand needs to push the box. And thought you contriubuted with some hefty insight there. But you didn’t. You made a total fool out of yourself.

    And you keep on harping about ‘education’. Although you wouldn’t even know what that is. Look, Jeff the moron has a degree. And he is mighty proud of it. And here with me his ‘educations’ still is worth nothing because he didn’t learn the crucial things. Approaching 60 and still incapable of handling relevant knowledge. Even thinking ‘Stu nailed it’ .. what a moron. And you were the moron who made him say this!


    Now we are only waiting for somebody proclaiming that ‘Wow nailed it’ and all of you are in the same box …

  48. #48 Stu
    February 21, 2013

    Answered? You listed your educational credentials?

    Provide a link or admit you are lying.

  49. #49 Wow
    February 21, 2013

    Joan is “hiding the education”.

  50. #50 Jonas N
    February 21, 2013

    Stu …

    Are you calling other a moron? 🙂 After imagining that somebody argued different hand/box speeds and kept harping on about it for more than a year?

    As I’ve told you many times by now: My education made me address everything that was discussed back then correctly, and even show you guys how it should be done. It seems, demonstrated by both you and luminous that you educations were so far behind, that both of you were unable to see where and how badly it went wrong, not even after I pointed it out.

    Now, it is true that it doesn’t take that much education and only understanding of what has been taught to be far ahead of you guys.

    And there were others too, joining in on the luminous-side. Not having the slightest clue either.

    So, no I definitely have not needed to use ‘all my education’ to keep you at bay here. There was never any challange wrt that (or physics in general). Only a loony moron who hade a year long hissy-fit over a hand pushing a box where he imagined he had somethig profound and insigtful to contribute. What a total joke …

    But yes Stu, so far there has not been any challenge about any of the topics I addressed ..

    That’s probably why so many of you so desperately want to talk about other stuff instead.

  51. #51 Stu
    February 21, 2013

    I’m starting to think his education is distinctly hockey stick-shaped.

  52. #52 Wow
    February 22, 2013

    With a droop at the end…

  53. #53 Jonas N
    February 22, 2013

    Stu …

    How is it, have you yet managed to fault me on anything? Or are you possible so ignorant that you don’t have the slightest clue what is correct, and what is not, that you don’t even kniow when you are merely guessing?

    You have (like many others here) spent 1½ years off trying to contradict me or hoping to land a blow (better than whining about typos but never managing, and just getting more frustrated, and hence increasing the noise-level (decreasing level of substance is unfortunately not possible for you)

    Do you really think you’ve managed one syllable of relevant substance here Stu?

    PS I’m still hoping that one of the others jumpes in and claims “Wow nailed it!” … That would top the previous idiotic support here … 🙂

  54. #54 Stu
    February 22, 2013

    I was actually thinking more of the dents and brain damage left by being beaten over the head with one.

  55. #55 Jonas N
    February 22, 2013

    Stu …

    Yes, quite a lot here have been ‘beaten over the head’ with my knowledge (and what I learned during my education).

    It’s funny (but not unexpected) that you, Wow, Jeffie and quite some more are in denial over that too, and once again try to revise history … Or even worse, if you truly believe what you are imagining.

    But hey, this is Deltoid, and this is exactly the right place for the likes of you … I just hope some of the others triuphantly claims: ‘Wow nailed it’ …

    That would top it for me …


  56. #56 Stu
    February 23, 2013

    What education, Jonas? You haven’t provided what that education is. So you were lying about answering.

    Also, nice job on reading comprehension. You truly are as dumb as a sack of hammers.

  57. #57 Wow
    February 23, 2013

    Joan, do you think, in any conceivable universe, that that trick would or could ever work?

  58. #58 Stu
    February 24, 2013

    Wow, I’m sure it works in his corner bar. Brad seems of the same caliber.

  59. #59 Wow
    February 24, 2013

    Actually, I’m certain they both know it doesn’t work. Their cause is so lost, they can’t do anything for it. So they’re just shitting in the food pot.

    Joan has NEVER, NOT ONCE stated what education it has. It merely continues to scream so as to ensure nobody else can do something constructive.

  60. #60 Jonas N
    February 24, 2013

    Stu …

    It is really just too difficult for you, isn’t it?

    I have told you what education and training is needed for the discussion I had with luminous, and the only time you (disasterously!) you tried to engage (Remember, when you imagined that others for weeks argued different speeds among hand/box when pushing it? I think you even argued the same years later. All by your loony own)

    What you are whining about is that I have not listed(!?) all my credentials. Which is true. But I have (repeatedly) given you more than a subtle hint of what it’s about. And how it compares to some of the other CV-obsessed here.

    You on the other hand cannot do one single thing with this, or without it.

    Further, I know that both you, Wow, and even the ‘educated’ here are not the sharpest knifes in the box … But still, I have a very hard time believing that you yourself really believe all those assertiosn you so desperately want to make. I mean, it is hard to be so stupid to believe for instance, that you Stu can teach me anything about math or physics.

    After all those silly attempts. Same goes for Jeff .. he (I’m pretty certain) knows that his many assertions about me are total hogwash … but backtracking would cause him to lose face even worse.

  61. #61 Jonas N
    February 24, 2013

    Wow … if Stu or you or Jeff would have had anything constructive to say, I am certain you/they would have done so ny now, 1½ years later …

    Or do you really believe that you have said anything at all worth even discussing? Really? What?

    It’s no conincidence that you guys constantly want to talk about something, anything else … Your beliefs must be very fragile ..

  62. #62 Stu
    February 26, 2013

    Jonas, I already accurately summarized and explained the hand-box thing here. I’m sorry your pathology won’t allow you to let it go. It’s just sad.

    So yes, Jonas, your education is so pathetic you are afraid to list it here. We know, cupcake.

    The only reason I’m still here is to watch you squirm like the deluded child you are, doing everything, saying anything to avoid answering that one simple question:

    What is your education, Jonas? You really want to stop hinting, because so far the only hints you’ve given is that you don’t know math or physics from a hole in the ground.

    What is your education? It’s a simple question. The only reason you’re avoiding it is because you’re afraid. You know it, I know it, dogs know it, trees know it.

    Of course, you could prove me wrong very easily.

  63. #63 Jonas N
    March 4, 2013

    Sorry Stu

    I hadn’t ‘answered’ the latest of your stupid rants. Which incidentally someone thinks need to be delayed further to protect you and others here for a day or so … in order to protect you from reality or whatever it is you are shunning.

    But you are wrong: I cannot prove anything to you on a blog. All I can do is to type words and and numbers in small comments.

    I did of course prove to those who have sufficient knowledge that I did master what was discussed, and that luminous was the waffler.

    But even that fairly simple discussion I reckon was way over the head of quite a lot here.

    I still chuckle at the comment by Jeff Harvey who believs that his CV is an argument for anything here, when he said: “Stu nailed it … ”

    It so succinctly demonstrates, even proves that you guys here just are wishful hopeful believers and completely incapable of navigating real knowledge … and seem eager to invent almost anything in order to convince yourself that this is somebody else’s responsibility.

    What a bunch of jokes …

  64. #64 Stu
    March 6, 2013

    Jonas, what is your education?

  65. #65 Jonas N
    March 6, 2013

    Stu …

    Yes, and I told you all you need to know about it already a year ago, or so. Here Stu, what you would have needed is a freshmen class in elementary physics and dit natural sciences. Just a basic grasp of what science (the real variety) is about.

    I have no clue why you would even consider trying nonsense like:

    “You’re .. too stupid to comprehend math and physics”

    when you (and many others) have proven this to be true, but for yourselves. Even demonstrating that you are completely unable to understand even the simple things with proper help and guidance. Not capable of seeing the glaring inconsistencies and violations even when they are pointed out.

    And instead writing embarrassments like the above, or googling ‘passive mass’ an believing to understand anything …

    What an utter joke, Stu. Do you even know why you are trying this? You have tried similiarly inane stuff for 1½ years, without ever having a relevant point. Hey, you don’t even learn from your mistakes …

    No wonder you are hanging here, here at least you are in company with quite a few more in the same situation

  66. #66 Stu
    March 10, 2013

    No you did not. You did not answer this simple, straight-forward question.

    Jonas, what is your education?

  67. #67 Wow
    March 10, 2013

    Joan is too stupid to answer that question with a list of their education Stu.

  68. #68 Stu
    March 10, 2013

    Too stupid? Naah. Too cowardly.

  69. #69 Wow
    March 10, 2013

    No, too stupid AND a coward.

  70. #70 Jonas N
    March 11, 2013

    No Stu, I just answered what is/was relevant for the very low level of participation by you (luminous, Jeff, and a few others).

    And even that is way more than sufficient to deal with the hands, the pushing, the boxes and the different speeds. (You remembet, the simple things yo derailed over with a year-long hissy-fit?)

    But if you had been paying attention (and posessed some basic understanding) you would have noticed moore. But since you don’t even know what you need that information for, or how it possibly could be relevant to you … there is no need to be more specific. You already know (and I’ve already proven) that it is more than sufficient … and covers those issues I have adressed.

    That you are incapable of recognizing even this is unfortunate (for you) but also clearly shows that you essentially must take anything in discussions like this on faith. Including whatever I would present here on this blog.

    And that’s not all. You have felt (like so many of your fellow travelser here) the need to be disingenuous about the claims you make too. Repeatedly. Either inventing your own facts, or just claiming things you know nothing about. Just like Jeff.

    You even fraternise with the Wow-troll and his ilk here whose degree oc cluelessness are even worse than the rest.

    Have you ever given any though to what (if anything at all) you would like to be taken seriously for? Not that stupid harping which has been 95% of your ramblings I hope … or maybe not.

    Wow – see the above. Or not. You couldn’t even see where I told lumunous he got it wrong. The only hope I have for you is that Jeff or some other poser here writes “Wow nailed it ..”‘

    That would be pure gold!


  71. #71 Jonas N
    March 14, 2013

    Poor things …

    First another attempted hockestick … already broken .. and now the same saga for the third time …

  72. #72 Stu
    March 15, 2013

    So you chose not to answer. That’s okay, Jonas. It must be scary to share your pathetic education with the world.

    Kiss kiss.

  73. #73 Jonas N
    March 15, 2013


    Not only did I answer the relevant parts, I demonstrated it! That you (albeit six years of alleged studies) cannot recognize any of this is hardly my fault.

    What have you ever demonstrated here? Some profound understanding that that a hand pushing a box actually must push it!? And on top of that believning that this insight would be a revalation to others? Seriously!?

    Other than that year-long embarrassment, there have only been inanities and ill-informed wishful thinking like the last of your posts.

    Because you’re being truthful here, aren’t you? You really really would like to hope that there is anything pathetic about my education …

    Well, that’s Deltoid for you. Critters like you and Jeff, desperately hoing that the world is something entirely different than it is.

  74. #74 Wow
    March 16, 2013

    No, he doesn’t choose not to answer, Stu, he is not capable of it.

    Absolutely not able to understand what education is or how to list it.

  75. #75 Wow
    March 16, 2013

    Stu, he’s had NO EDUCATION.

    Not even scarily pathetic education.


  76. #76 Wow
    March 16, 2013

    “Not only did I answer the relevant parts, I demonstrated it! ”

    No you haven’t joan.

    NOWHERE on this page have you demonstrated it, let alone answered.


  77. #77 Wow
    March 16, 2013

    “What have you ever demonstrated here? Some profound understanding that that a hand pushing a box actually must push it!?”

    It took you six months to understand that, so as far as your intelligence is concerned, that is a profound understanding, just like you say.

  78. #78 Jonas N
    March 27, 2013

    I noticed that Jeffie H is back hailing Grist’s David Roberts absolute nonsense extremely important about scale which (Jeff claims) only ‘the scientifically literate’ can understand.

    What absolute nonsense! It’s the other way around. Only the scientifically illiterate can be duped by the tripe delivered by Roberts. And we know that Jeff wants to be duped with this kind of baloney more than anything else ..

    I think this time Jeffie finally blew himself away, proving beyond any shred of a doubt that he has no place at all discussing anything to do with real science ..

    (Well, he had shown that many times before, but David Roberts with his runaway temperatures)

  79. #79 Jonas N
    March 27, 2013

    If there ever was a good example of DK-syndrom, it was David Roberts ‘explaining climate science’ in 15 minutes. And Jeff buying in to that utter nonsense, believing it was ‘science’ ..


  80. #80 Jonas N
    March 27, 2013


    You can see Wow’s four latest comments. They are really descpriptive of the level here. Just consider the claims made by this clown:

    Absolutely not able to understand what education is or how to list it.





    He even believes that you had some profound insight in ‘a hand pushing a box’.

    He is just like you stu, just hoping for things to be completely different than they are. By repeating them. OK, your language is at times a bit better. But it’s still the same lousy ‘method’.

    And most likely do you need to lie to yourself too, in order to stick with it.

    Poor things!

  81. #81 Wow
    April 2, 2013

    Yup, you have no education at all joan.


    Not a jot.

    You’ve demonstrated this on this thread. Nowhere on this thread have you shown your education. You just keep pratting about for other people’s education.

  82. #82 Jonas N
    April 3, 2013

    Wow …

    Still in denial? Or delusion? Or desperation?

    Poor thing. And you sooo much dooo believe in the climate scare. It all makes sense!


  83. #83 Wow
    April 3, 2013

    Denying what?

    Nowhere on this thread have you shown your education.

    That is a stone cold fact.

  84. #84 Jonas N
    April 3, 2013

    Nowhere on this link have I instructed where people with alleged six years of studied physics got it completely wrong. Wow. And nowhere have you seen or even found anywhere where I pointed out how (badly) luminous was wrong, and also told him how it should have been done instead.

    But that’s just because you are uncapable of even having simple superficial dialogs about simple things Wow. I pity you for this, and can assure you:

    You are at the absolute right place for people like you. Some of the others have a slightly better language, but their ‘method’ is exactly the same as yours. And this is the kind of holes you end up in …

  85. #85 Olaus Petri
    April 3, 2013

    The Grimm brothers and the Deltoids priests like tell the same kind of stories. 🙂

  86. #86 chek
    April 3, 2013

    The Scandinavian Dullard Collective pops up again to say nothing whatsoever. Although Jonarse does have a furtive little spurt of his usual content-free wankery at JH the professional scientist’s expense, which is pretty much all he’s done from the very start.

    Still it’s good to know that the Swedish right-wing backlash is safe in the hands of such ignorant, petty-minded, ineffectual clowns.

  87. #87 Jonas N
    April 4, 2013

    Ah chek ..

    Who has not been able to contribute one single relevant comment, only mouth frothing gibberish, chimes in to defend Jeff, another utter incompetent who has no business at all in the field of any real science .. What an utter joke.

    I didn’t think Jeff could sink much lower than believing James Hansens idiotic claims about future sea levels must be valid since he has such an ‘impressive’ CV.

    But Jeff exceeds even that stupidity, by hailing David Roberts absolut gibberish about ‘climate change’ as not only being relevant and worth listening to, but even of such dignity that ‘scientifically literate’ people must accept such tosh ..

    What an absolute joke. and not only joke in the tragical sense. What absolute and utter idiocy to even considering taking this seriously only for a second.

    If there ever was a good example of Dunning-Kruger, David Roberts is one perfect illustration. And Jeff Harvey for totally buying in to this.

    And chek (Wow, Stu and all others). This is nowhere open for discussion. Believing Roberts has anything of substance to say, is beyond idotic. It borders clinically insane.

    And Jeff’s year-long idiotic rants about almost everything (irrelevant) sure have indicated that ‘all the horses aren’t at home’ anymore. But hailing Roberts and even just mentioning ‘scientifically literate’ in the same sentence, proves this beyond doubt.

    What a total farce, chek. And this is what you hope passes as ‘professional’ in science!? What a joke!

  88. #88 Wow
    April 5, 2013

    Nowhere on this thread have you shown your education.

    It’s a fact that not even you deny, Joan, preferring to go prattling on about something completely different.

  89. #89 Jonas N
    April 5, 2013

    Nowhere Wow?

    How would you know? You couldn’t even find the many numerous instances where I told luminous how he got it completely wrong. And how, and also how it should have been done.

    You are nothing but a poor emulation of a poorly programmed spam-bot.

    But you have shown a lot of other things too, Wow. Nothing I would be proud of displaying. And you were not the only one.

    Prattling? I would say the entire blog is about prattling pratts like yourself … some even boast with their education, which they cannot put to any use judging from what they write.

  90. #90 Stu
    April 5, 2013

    Jonas, did I miss something? Did you list your education?

  91. #91 chek
    April 5, 2013

    Nah – you missed nothing Stu.
    Just the usual poor excuse for the quality of the Swedish education system proclaiming some esoteric mystery (that exists only in his own head) as revelatory.

    A classic, information-lite delusional, in other words.

  92. #92 Wow
    April 5, 2013

    “Nowhere Wow?

    How would you know?”

    The same way you know something that isn’t there is not there, Joan.

  93. #93 Jonas N
    April 7, 2013

    Stu, have you missed something, you asked!?

    Well, the more pertinent question would have been: Did you ever get something?

    I Wow’s case, even that question is moot. And chekie has tried and tried and still hopes that his frothing-from-the-mouth anger somehow would score him some points he can’t get arguing the facts.

    But no, guys. It doesn’t work that way. You are still only hoping that the year-long blind guessing and desperate wishful fantasizing replaces reality if you only repeat it.

    If you’d had a valid point, I am certain you would have made it by now. But no! You are still hoping that Mann got his nonsense right and that IPCC spin is based on proper science. And that DK-Jeffie is arguing ‘science’ …

    While the whole climate scare edifice is crumbling …

    Poos kids

  94. #94 Jonas N
    April 8, 2013

    I notice that it (at times) takes about two full days before my comments appear …

    I take it it is for your protection, that this is deemed ‘necessary’. Also the practice of confining non-believers to separate threads is for your protection. And yes, protection most certainly is what you need, however not from me or others who can evaluate real science.

    The real threat is almost entirely on your own side(*). The worst ‘we’ (reasonable competent) commenters can inflict upon you is a little ridicule. And also that is dispensed in moderate doses ..

    (*) Mann, Jeffie, Hansen, Marcott, Lewandowsky, Roberts, Tamino and many many more

  95. #95 Wow
    April 8, 2013

    No, the avoiding the answer would be to ask a different question.

    Politicians do that all the time.

    I know that it hasn’t been shown for the same reason I know that elvis hasn’t posted on here.

    Because there is nothing here posted from elvis.

  96. #96 Jonas N
    April 8, 2013

    Wow … I would say that all relevant points you’ve ever made here have been inadvertent, and about you ..

    I demonstrated that I know. You demonstrated a lot about what you cannot and do not know …

    Please keep it coming. I am still hoping for Jeff (or even Stu) to write:

    ‘Wow nailed it … ‘

    That would top it off for me!


  97. #97 Wow
    April 9, 2013

    Yes, you would say that. Empty of evidence is entirely your forte.

    You haven’t anywhere on this thread demonstrated anything.

  98. #98 Wow
    April 9, 2013

    Proof? Show me wrong. If it exists, you can show it.

    Since it doesn’t exist, you can’t.

    And you don’t for precisely that reason: it doesn’t exist.

  99. #99 Wow
    April 9, 2013

    “You couldn’t even find the many numerous instances where I told luminous how he got it completely wrong”

    Because, like all your claims of multitudinous proof, they don’t exist.

    Can’t find something that doesn’t exist.

  100. #100 Jeff Harvey
    April 9, 2013

    Jonas is just jealous because David Roberts was invited to give a prestigious TED lecture whereas ohe can’t even get an invite to a drunken piss-up in a bar.

    Oh, the politics of envy.

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