Jonas Thread

By popular request, here is the Jonas thread. All comments by Jonas and replies to his comments belong in this thread.

Comments

  1. #1 Jonas N
    May 9, 2014

    OK, the latest batch of comments (dating back to April 27) apparently made it through ‘¨moderation’ after ~two weeks (May 8).

  2. #2 GSW
    May 20, 2014

    Hi Jonas,

    I saw your interaction with Bengtsson over at klimatupplysningen(?)

    http://www.klimatupplysningen.se/2014/05/18/nagra-tankar-om-klimatet-och-var-mojliga-framtid/#comment-372786

    Google translate Is the best i can do I’m afraid:

    “Jonas N

    Unfortunately, I had underestimated the tensions that exist and do not have to do with science in the least. I do not know now how this will end but you have to anyway hope to be able to distinguish science from policy. This is not the case today. The policy has occupied climate policy leftist climate activists and the corresponding right-wing groups have taken an opposite approach. My first attempt to de-politicize climate science have failed but I have not given up. Only those who never try to avoid a failure. We only hope that the Austrian professor did not get their way. But if it is then I will ask to be faced with a exekutationspatrull with the support of my resume and not burned alive at the stake.
    LennartB”

    seems like quite a reasonable/grounded chap. No idea what an “exekutationspatrull” is, but it doesn’t sound good. No mention of the “transnational elites” that seem to get the blame for most things either.

    Glad you are still participating Jonas.
    ;)

  3. #3 GSW
    May 20, 2014

    @Jonas,

    Apologies, still reading thru the comments on the klimatupplysningen(?) thread

    You some some more from lennart bengtsson, this time in english.

    *92[Jonas N]

    I have all files available but cannot make these available without the agreement of co-authors. In the case of ECS the reviewer had misunderstood the situation. I will at the end of the week write a text both here at at the Uppsalainitiativet that hopefully will clear some misunderstanding

    Lennart”

    I think everyone’s keen to see the original paper rather than try to guess at the contents from the reviewers responses. Interesting. Still google translating the other comments Jonas, but it’s making entertaining reading so far.
    ;)

  4. #4 Jonas N
    May 21, 2014

    OK, seems like you are let through within the day GSW. But hey, the crowd here, esp. in the protected zone just are afraid to confront reality. Seeing their dreams, and everythinge they wanted to believe in evaporating into thin air must be hard on such delicate souls ….

    :-)

  5. #5 Jonas N
    June 7, 2014

    OK, on june 7, the last comment (written may 21) ‘passed moderation’!

    I understand that those decisions are heavily taxing for moderators, and must be pondered for weeks, carefully weighing benefits against drawbacks. Or maybe it is just difficult to get the expert committee to convene more often for such terribly difficult decisions. After all, there is heavy and very demanding traffic elsewhere here, that too needs to be tightly monitored.

    And there’s the crowd of delicate souls of course, whose feelings must be considered too …

    Wouldn’t it have been far better if everyone just agreed that the IPCC is always right. And left is always right too. As the IPCC clearly says it is? About all its issues …

    Well no, we’re not there yet. But getting there, consensus is the word … and now it’s become science (in it self, consensus is now science being investigated as a science in it self)

    As I said … getting there. North Korea is a role model. Both regarding carbon-footprint and consensus-achievements. But there is still some ‘convincing’ to do, still need to be a little bit more more ‘persuasive’, but new techniques are being developed as we (double)speak.

    We all ready know that all voices we don’t hear agree with us, and do so completely. Because we represent all those who cannot (or dare not) speak for them selves. No, it’s the voices we still hear that really are that small but pesky and irritating obstacle between here and now and real ‘consensus Nirvana’

    Without those, all we’d ever hear would be birds chirping confirming to us that we are in total harmony, and now truly representing all of humanity and Gaia

    So, what do those North Koreans know that we haven’t figured out yet? That’s the real question … how do we get all of the populace to work for society’s good

    /sarc off

  6. #6 GSW
    June 8, 2014

    @Jonas,

    It was within a day Jonas, interesting thing is the whole of your thread seems to have a moderation policy(?). Your post still took a couple of weeks? dangerous ideas indeed.
    ;)

  7. #7 Jonas N
    June 16, 2014

    OK, the latest apparently was let through within 8-9 days ..

    Those poor Deltoid moderators must have been working overtime, considering the heavy traffic they have to deal with at this place!

    ;-)

  8. #8 GSW
    June 16, 2014

    @Jonas #5

    Blog moderation policy = North Korea’s a good analogy Jonas; Deltoids arguing intellectual/morally bankrupt positions, reliant on censorship and intolerance of dissenting voices, with “Tim Jung Lambert” overseeing all. It all sort of works, this dying creed from a dying blog.

  9. #9 Olaus Petri
    June 17, 2014

    GSW, “overseeing all” isn’t much here. Without the pallative care of anti-conspirasists and doomsday sceptics Deltoid would die completely alone. ;-)

  10. #10 Jonas N
    July 13, 2014

    So here they are, still waiting for that climate doom catastrophy alarm whatever … to arrive, while clinging to miniscule trends, and hopefull guesses where all that promised heat must hav gone hiding.

    Well fellows, there are better methods to deal with reality (the observable part of it) and that would have been sticking to the scientific method, and not resorting to fantasies and wishful thinking evolving into an almost religious doomsday cult …

    Don’t complain though, and don’t whine about being more and more ridiculed by increasingly wider circles.

    You’ve all been told where, how and why you go wrong in your beliefs. But no, you wouldn’t listen, you’ dismiss essentially everything, both facts, logic, reason, observations etc with the stupidest labels such as ‘denialism’ etc.

    But then of course, the loony left always falls into the same trap, where they so desperately want to believe things finally giving the confirmation and justification for their fantasies …

    And they will never learn, if one -ism finally fails and is totally discredited, they just jump on the next one or and pin all their hopes on the next messiah, or savior or ‘liberator of the people’ screaming slogans in military khakis …

    They’ll never learn. And quite a few of them even think that they are ‘intellectuals’ and therefor must be supported by real working people …

  11. #11 Jonas N
    July 30, 2014

    OK, again ‘moderation’ is taking a heavy toll on the moderators. Two weeks later, and they are still working hard at it …

  12. #12 Jonas N
    August 10, 2014

    OK just under one month for the comment from July 13.

    Made it through on August 10, probably due to the high traffic on the the more recent (monthly) post and their content …

  13. #13 GSW
    August 18, 2014

    @Jonas

    “the loony left always falls into the same trap, where they so desperately want to believe things finally giving the confirmation and justification for their fantasies …”

    Yes indeed and “unscientific jeff” doesn’t really do himself any favours over on the other thread with

    ” I suppose you are referring to unlimited and unregulated corporate power, nakedly predatory capitalism under the guise of the ‘Washington Consensus’”

    Referring to jeff as being “Loony left” is being unfair to ordinary decent loonys IMO.
    ;)

  14. #14 Jeff Harvey
    August 18, 2014

    Gormless, since like on most issues you don’t have a clue what you are talking about I’ll let your latest bullshit pass. After all, you right wing lunatics promulgate the usual nonsense: that the USA is a true democracy, that it honestly promotes this and human rights in its foreign policy and that corporate power for the most part is benign. That anyone could believe this shows how utterly stupid they really are. You aren’t alone, but thankfully I try and steer clear of dopes like you. Sadly, your ilk pops up on blogs where they are unwelcome yet they still feel confident in spewing out their gospels of ignorance.

    It turns out that the few people I tend to offend are mostly idiots like you and your idol on here. The vast majority of my peers are on my side. My reputation in science is solid, and thus I have no need to feel worried about a few rightwingnuttters like you and Jonas. Both of you are as thick as planks.

  15. #15 Jonas N
    August 25, 2014

    GSW,

    What I describe (define) as the loony left is wider:

    People just hoping that the world runs and functions by (their!) wishful fantasies, and could be made (coerced) to follow their ‘plan’ and that things not included there just will go away (the term ‘denial’ springs to mind). But reality will always be their greatest enemy. Which they still hope to defeat by ‘consensus’ (among the ‘chosen’) or voting in an assembly, or just lofty proclamations and declarations especially if put on paper, with many official and authoritative stamps.

    Further, the loony left is distinct from mental illness (which is nothing to make jokes about). As I said, quite a few of them consider themselves to be smart, educated, and would like to see themselves as ‘intellectual’ which they rarely are.

    Our friend Jeffie is a good example. For 3+ years now he has tried to defy reality by wishing it to be other than it is. By proclaiming all kinds of ‘facts’ that aren’t. All the time while not being capable of making a coherent statement relevant to what has been discussed, much less discussing any relevant matters.

    Instead it has been this uttermost stupid fantasizing up ‘facts’ about everything that doesn’t fit his belief, and waving that paper he believes(!) somehow proves that what(ever) he believes also must be so.

    With regard to the climate hysteria, I’ve rarely met anybody who is so entirely clueless about even what the debate is about. Not even after the issues are explained, he was and remains ignorant about the topic and obviously desires to remain so. Most often he couldn’t even in his mind keep GW apart from AGW,

    But what do you expect from somebody who is completely clueless about the scientific method, someone who derails already at the slightest requirement of logic, someone who thinks that a keyword search somehow settles causation and even quantification, someone who truly believes that his CV is an argument for anything, particularly for things he doesn’t understand, where he doesn’t even comprehend the question.

    To Jeffie:

    You have been trying to offend alright. For more than three years you’ve been at it, trying the silliest childish insults and you are still trying. And nothing stings. Because whatever you try is just the same idiotic nonsense you are trying to replace reality with.

    Instead you are continuously making a fool of yourself, displaying how inept you are at about anything that has been discussed here. The few times you’ve tried to be on topic, or just to formulate your own stance you immediately got entangled in contradictions and/or revealed how clueless you are, how patently incapable you are at addressing any scientific question with a level head. Most often you derailed within the same comment to your nonsensical drivel …

    And my assumption is just that what you’ve shown here is what you are: Incapable of even talking about science (the real version). As I’ve said before, if you’d had a point, if you had been able to land one (so desperately longed for) blow or just pinprick …

    .. you would have by now, after more than three years of wild flailing with your mouth and arms.

    But instead, you are still shaking that CV. Hoping that it proves anything I’ve said wrong. And it doesn’t! Couldn’t! As any real scientist would know, of course!

    Jeff,

    Are you venturing of your reservation?

  16. #16 Jonas N
    September 1, 2014

    Well I wonder … has one of my comments once again been ‘disappeared’ before it made it through ‘moderation’?

    Sensitive stuff I gather, being posted in a three-year old thread.

    But I see that Deltoids padded-cell-hero Jeffie once again thinks that his CV invalidates whatever others say

    And this joke thinks he’s about science? What a farce …

    Has anybody here ever seen this sorry excuse for a ‘scientist’ actually argue any position or even proposition successfully and on its actual merits?

    I for one haven’t. The closest I’ve seen are fragments, sentences which sometimes aren’t outright wrong or his usual fabrications … but only regarding trivial stuff.

  17. #17 Jonas N
    September 5, 2014

    Its fascinating to watch the <a href="

    “> intellectual self-mutilation which apparently comes without any outer pressure or coercion to some of the regulars here.

    Dr Jeff Harvey (of perpetual angry CV-waving fame) complains loudly about someone (correctly) being referred to as Dr Marohasey, but not he (or Mann and Hansen always by their titles) ..

    .. after having spent years trying to insult far more qualified individuals in the debate with the most infantile labels, puerile distortions of their names, while almost completely avoiding to address anything of substance.

    Just seconds later he spells out his conspiracy theories that PhD:s not in academia (or polishing their CV:s) are:

    a number of scientists – including those whose arguments you post up here – with this in their job description. These people are IMHO dishonest liars

    Again without with one single word addressing anything of substance that has been put forward.

    Instead, the ‘argument’ (for lack of a better word) seems to be that whatever somebody with fewer publications and/or citations (than Jeff) must be wrong!

    Must be wrong, regardless of what (s)he actually says, and because of the length of Jeff’s CV!?

    It is mind numbing how stupid this argument actually is. And yet, that’s all Jeff has tried here for years. Accompanied with his childish insult attempts and his fabrication of ‘facts’ that go with it.

    But it’s all there/here on display.

    Regarding the actual questions (which Jeff carefully avoids, by instead waiving his CV) it is quite simple:

    Dr Marohasy has raised, asked a number of relevant, even obvious questions, and also and equally relevant noted that the answers so far given by BoM aren’t really answers, and instead seem to attempt to avoid going near the core of the issues, using vacuous claims of ‘expertise’ and ‘scientific justifications’ and also seemingly untrue assertions.

    As far as I can see, the questions were/are very relevant, the answers still wanting, and the responses look cringingly evasive, even false.

    The matter is really quite simple: It’s about the reading of thermometers, duly recorded in a log. Which decades later seem to change (being replaced with very different numbers) for the most strained far fetched reasons which aren’t even presented …

    This is not rocket science. On the contrary, and if the BoM really tries to make the argument that recorded thermometer readings may have been this wrong all the time, there really isn’t much faith in that they could say anything at all about past temperatures ..

    But so far they still seem to be trying the ‘Trust us, we are the experts’-gambit.

    Which is just about as silly as Jeff’s version: ‘Everybody else must be wrong (if he disagrees) because of my CV …’

  18. #18 Jonas N
    September 5, 2014

    Seems like I missed the link to the self-mutilating comment ..

    which is here

  19. #19 Jonas N
    September 18, 2014

    What an absolute joke!

    This time, my comment was ‘awaiting moderation’ for four weeks.

    What a joke this is and has become. Like so many others, afraid of the written word … making the most stupid excuses.