July 2012 Open Thread

Phew, looks the carbon tax has not returned Australia to the Stone Age.

Comments

  1. #1 Karen
    July 7, 2012

    Those interested in following up the data that poor barnturd can’t find can find it at the following link.

    http://www.climate4you.com/GlobalTemperatures.htm

    OMG barnturd, are you really a boy ?

    I am so sorry for mistaking the feminine, or shall I say CATTY nature of your continual and baseless insult’s, I genuinely thought that you were just being a bitch by comparing me to some man that you may of had some form of lovers tiff with.

    I’m so sorry if I hurt your little feelings dear :)

  2. #2 Bernard J.
    July 7, 2012

    My feelings are completely untouched by idiocy such as yours, except for a slighlyt bemused amusement that it is so ingrained.

    You, on the other hand, are bleeding in more than one sense. As evidence, I tender your fevered potty-mouth, and your complete capitulance over your mistake about time zones.

    Oh, and the small matter of your total non-understanding of the science of climate change…

  3. #3 FrankD
    July 7, 2012

    I understand Karen a lot better now – she lives 150 years in the past! The latest date that could be read from GISP 2 was for 1855, before modern warming even started to become discernable! So, how does that disprove the “CO2 fairytale”exactly?

    Still nice try at shifting the goal posts – as if the temperature in one location at Greenland could prove or disprove global anything. Its as stupid as Duff telling us that its cold today where he lives…

    You get down through dumb to brainless to totally fucking stupid, cut a hole in the floor, and then dig down a way, and then you get to Karen.

    So, Karen, why did you want a century scale record of mass loss on Greenland. Time for some Svalbard maths again?

  4. #4 bill
    July 7, 2012

    Karen I note your penultimate idiot comment has been removed. Frankly, I think that’s far too generous; it would have been perfectly just if you simply had been.

    To quote someone who really knew how to dish out an insult – I have seen more intelligent creatures than you lying on their backs at the bottoms of ponds. I have seen better organized creatures than you running round farmyards with their heads cut off.

  5. #5 Lionel A
    July 7, 2012

    FrankD @ 11:52 am

    …and then you get to Karen

    Yep! And shaking hands with Curtin.

  6. #6 Lionel A
    July 7, 2012

    Well we sure saw some rain over Britain overnight with more to come in the early hours but that is as nothing to what these people have experienced.

    Now what was that saying about climate, boxers, weather and punches KrakenMackSpotnick?

  7. #7 Karen
    July 7, 2012

    Take your medication Frank and then have a look at this http://www.climate4you.com/GreenhouseGasses.htm#Atmospheric%20carbon%20dioxide%20(CO2)

    Those charts demonstrate that temperature rise does not follow a rise in CO2, but then you knew that didn’t you Frank ! Are you losing much money in the carbon market ? Seems that a few in here have been suckered into that.

    Lionel, did you read this little paragraph ?

    “He said, quoted by the Russian RIA news agency, that the flooding was the worst in the region for 70 years but the situation should “stabilise” in the next few hours.”

    Lionel that bit is to inform you that it has happened before, and in all likelihood has happened many times before.

    I seem to remember reading some of barnturd’s post’s once upon a time, yes he thought that the Queensland floods were caused by CO2, hahahaha, silly fool, lol

    Bill, did it break your weeny little heart when your ex friend said that to you ?

    Your such a bunch of sooky boy’s, lol

  8. #8 Lionel A
    July 7, 2012
  9. #9 Betula
    July 7, 2012

    John…

    1. “Global warming harms the third world”

    It’s harming the third world now or it will harm the third world in the future? What does “global” mean? Maybe we should call it “class warfare warming” or “descrimination warming”. Why this emphasis on the “third world” John? Hmmm…

    2. “Aid from rich countries who caused the warming is needed to minimise harm”

    What constitutes rich? Could you please break down the percentage of warming caused by each country, state, county, and person based on their age, salary and lifestyle for me… and how much each individual owes society and how that payment is going to be distributed as a pecentage to each third world country and then each individual based on age, salary and location…. and the time frame for which this aid will ensure that these people are no longer considered poor or in danger and the framework for which this conclusion is based.
    Thanks.

    3. “Aid is wrong and poor people deserve to be poor”

    John, here’s what Chek had to say about me….”Now what you have to remember is that to Betty, earning $17k a year performing his thankless task in a call centre or whatever”

    So while you attempt to insult me by assuming what I think the poor deserve, Chek attempts to insult me by assuming I’m poor and deserve it. Yet, neither of you can see that you are insulting each other through me. Classic!

    4. “Therefore global warming is a hoax”

    No John, you are the hoax. The unknown future consequences of Global Warming are being used as a tool by creating fear ( worst case scenarios) to help achieve the U.N’s fast approaching Millenium Developement Goals. The main goal being to redistribute the worlds wealth.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/un-calls-billionaires-tax-help-worlds-poor-211640656.html

    The emphasis on third world John…

    “Many development experts question the MDGs model of transferring billions of dollars directly from the wealthy nation governments to the often bureaucratic or corrupt governments in developing countries”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Development_Goals#Debate_surrounding_the_MDGs

    Third World John…

    “The European Union is a global player and is committed to supporting its Pacific partners in reaching the Millenium Development Goals, whilst at the same time addressing the threat of climate change, for which Pacific Islands have no direct responsibility but are the first to suffer its impact”

    “In the worst case scenario, some islands could disappear due to rising sea levels”

    http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/51028

    Third World John…

    “Climate Change: Waiting for a Catastrophic Wake-Up Call ”

    “This story was originally published by Latin American newspapers that are part of the Tierramérica network. Tierramérica is a specialised news service produced by IPS with the backing of the United Nations Development Programme, United Nations Environment Programme and the World Bank.”

    http://www.ipsnews.net/2012/06/climate-change-waiting-for-a-catastrophic-wake-up-call/

    Third World John…

    What will it cost to reach the MDG’S?

    http://www.worldbank.org/html/extdr/mdgassessment.pdf

    The United Nations John…Millenium Developement Goals John…. World Bank John…Transfer Wealth To The Third World John…Climate Change John….The U.N’S IPCC John….Catastophies John…Third World Most Affected John….Need Money John…Rich Nations Fault John…Rich Nations Need To Pay John… Need To Act Now John…Wake Up John…..John? JOHN!

    We’ve lost him…

  10. #10 Lionel A
    July 7, 2012

    Well KrakenMackSpotBot I figure it is the last two as you would fit in with the villains in these pieces:

    Coal and Oil Have Their Lobbyists, but the Earth Has YOU

    Humanitarian Disaster From Electricity Crisis Grows in Coalfields, As Coal Baron Entertains PGA Golf Tour, Rock Stars

    Now if you do happen to be one of the blinkered little people then watch out for it could be you next. Think about that!

    And whilst you are there how do you wave this away:

    NBC Meteorologist On Record Heat Wave: ‘If We Did Not Have Global Warming, We Wouldn’t See This’

  11. #11 Karen
    July 7, 2012

    Ohh Lionel, sigh, they are stretching the truth over there, no one will believe that.

  12. #12 Betula
    July 7, 2012

    U.N. CONSPIRACY OVERLOAD !! DOUBLE RED ALERT!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lz3jnHAXQrQ

    U.N. Global Tax….hmmm I wonder why?

    http://hotair.com/archives/2012/07/07/forget-obamatax-are-you-ready-for-global-taxes/

  13. #13 Karen
    July 7, 2012

    haha, Lionel I just checked the weather in Nashville 27 deg C, http://www.flightstats.com/go/Airport/weather.do?airportCode=BNA

    Did you notice that the entire US infrastructure is in a bad way ? They seem to currently spend about 53% of their budget on the military, so I suppose that will continue to snuff out allot of innocent peoples lives and reduce the CO2 that you fear.

  14. #14 Karen
    July 7, 2012

    Betula, both the yanks and the UN need another tax to kill people

  15. #15 luminous beauty
    July 7, 2012

    O, the blithe unconscious incoherence! It’s a wonder our resident deniers can even feed themselves.

  16. #16 Bernard J.
    July 7, 2012

    …temperature rise does not follow a rise in CO2…

    KarenMackSunspot, you really are a sad, ignorant, uneducable evolutionary dead-end. Only those whose Stupid is indelibly ingrained still try that one on.

    If you drag your knuckles over to Skeptical Science’s list of denialist canards you’ll find that your claim has been addressed multiple times, notably at #47 and at #137, but also at #11, #30, #49, and #51.

    As ever, I invite you to construct a cogent and defensible counter-argument if you believe that you have evidence that will rebut the laws of physics relied on by Skeptical Science.

    And as ever, I know that you will fail in this task, just as you have always done in the past.

  17. #17 FrankD
    July 7, 2012

    “Are you losing much money in the carbon market?”
    C’mon, Karen, we can all read the subtext: “FML! I was totally wrong on Greenland, just like I was about Svalbard! Just like I am about every substantive point I try to make. Quick, time to change the topic. No one will notice..”

    Big fat FAIL, Karen, we all saw it. We don’t care. Every post you make just exposes you as a bigger idiot.

    But I have to wonder why Karen is so persistant in the face of her own repeated failures to land a single punch – does she make herself feel better by pretending this isn’t happening? Like whistling past a graveyard or something? It’s got so lame, its…well…just lame.

    So some honest advice – just quit while you’re behind, you’ve become embarassing. Or, if you must post again, do make sure to tell us what you think about the annual mass loss of the Greenland ice cap rising by 750 billion tons per year over the last century. I mean, it was you who raised it…

  18. #18 chek
    July 7, 2012

    Betty, your troll tactic of employing partial quotes is, as you correctly put it at 2.33, classic!

    Firstly, $17k a year is not poor – it’s about what a non-unionised service worker earns. It may be well below the average wage, but then that is a meaningless measure anyway as shown by the joke that when Bill Gates walks into a room everyones average earnings rocket up by $1 million dollars a week. And in global terms, it’s definitely not ‘poor’.

    As usual you miss the point that your impressive sounding $250 billion isn’t nearly so impressive when put in a context that can be related to. But then you know that.

  19. #19 adelady
    city of wine and roses
    July 7, 2012

    Poor?

    The international benchmark, for want of a better word, for absolute poverty is $2 a day or less. Once you get above that level all sorts of other considerations come into play.

    Some of us might be a bit hard up, but I very much doubt that anyone here would count on any sensible definition of “poor” by international standards. I wasn’t too thrilled about forking out for a new car battery yesterday, but we’ll manage to feed ourselves till next pay day. Having to manage or eke out your money is a long way from being too poor to afford a decent life.

  20. #20 Betula
    July 7, 2012

    chek…
    “As usual you miss the point that your impressive sounding $250 billion isn’t nearly so impressive when put in a context that can be related to. But then you know that.”

    So… $17k isn’t a little and $250 Billion isn’t a lot and I miss the point yet get the point. Got it.

  21. #21 wow
    July 7, 2012

    Ee know thst the point of just about eerything in the world passes you by, Betty.

  22. #22 Richard Simons
    July 7, 2012

    Hi, Betula! I see you are still sniping and still lack the courage to give your views on climate change. Don’t you feel just the teeniest bit ashamed of your behaviour?

  23. #23 ianam
    July 7, 2012

    And women aren’t usually

    Arguments about what is usual are irrelevant to specific cases, and I know plenty of women with “rich” language. Anyway, speculating that KMS is Karen Bracken is just an amusement. My position has always been that those who insist that KMS must be male have not made their case.

  24. #24 DarylD
    William Lamb's Town Down Under
    July 7, 2012

    In other good news, in the US, the Federal Appeals Court, decision in regard to the EPA, has boiled nearly all the morally bankrupt faith based denialati in their own sea of fake propaganda lies.

    “The judges unanimously dismissed arguments from industry that the science of global warming was not well supported and that the agency had based its judgment on unreliable studies. “This is how science works,” they wrote. “The E.P.A. is not required to reprove the existence of the atom every time it approaches a scientific question.”

    link: Watching the deniers : http://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/2012/07/03/this-is-how-science-works-us-court-of-appeals-dismisses-challenge-to-climate-science-answers-the-question-of-is-the-science-settled/

    As for the remaining few denialati, they were last seen, legless cap in hand, soliciting funds without a license for a non existent appeal!

    Such is life, the science of climate changed is now legally settled, in the law courts!

    Cheers :)

  25. #25 bill
    July 7, 2012
  26. #26 bill
    July 7, 2012

    Betula, both the yanks and the UN need another tax to kill people

    Oh!My!God! It’s Obamacare on a Global Scale!!! Look – UN Death Panels!!! Won’t someone think of the children?!!

    ?!?!?!

    Truly, the projections of these TeaPartyite mouthbreathers are astonishing…

  27. #27 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    …they are stretching the truth over there, no one will believe that.

    Karen owes me one replacement irony meter.

  28. #28 Chris O'Neill
    July 8, 2012

    ““He said, quoted by the Russian RIA news agency, that the flooding was the worst in the region for 70 years but the situation should “stabilise” in the next few hours.”

    Lionel that bit is to inform you that it has happened before, and in all likelihood has happened many times before.”

    Rather like when braindead Karen quoted:

    ““MELBOURNE is beginning to thaw after some of the coldest temperatures in almost two decades snap froze the city today.

    The mercury hit just 8.5 degrees Celsius in the city at 3.11pm – the lowest maximum temperature since 1995.”

    It has happened before, and in all likelihood has happened many times before.

  29. #29 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    First, I offer my condolence’s to the people in and around the area of Krasnodar who lost their lives, homes and loved ones, mother nature can be so cruel.

    I went to google earth and looked up Krasnodar, the city sits directly in the path of the spillway of a large dam and the topography is almost flat.

    This may well be a repeat of the same scenario of what happened in Queensland. So you all really need to wait for the water to pass before trying to blame the great demon see o two.

  30. #30 John
    July 8, 2012

    I see my gentle needling provoked quite a reaction in Betula, forcing him to outline his conspiritorial fantasies in detail. He’s easier to bait than Karenmackspot!

    How this obsessive, hateful wailing about the UN was meant to disprove my assertion that he denies science for ideological reasons I will never know!

    Betula, old chum, I suggest you take off the tinfoil hat and have a bit of a liedown. It must be exhausting being as gullible, obsessive and unhappy as you

    ;)

  31. #31 John
    July 8, 2012

    Hi, Betula! I see you are still sniping and still lack the courage to give your views on climate change. Don’t you feel just the teeniest bit ashamed of your behaviour?

    His views on the science break down to “because there are unknowns it’s all a UN hoax! Wealth redistribution!”. Then he tries to cloak his views in irony which is ironic because he really believes it.

    The more marginalised this shrinking group of shrieking, froth-mouthed conspiracy theorists become the more obsessive they get.

    Betula and Karen and completly destroying their cause from within.

    It’s quite a spectacle!

  32. #32 John
    July 8, 2012

    This may well be a repeat of the same scenario of what happened in Queensland.

    Widespread flooding made more extreme by increased moisture in the air caused by AGW?

  33. #33 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    This should set your panicking minds at ease, the world temperature anomaly map is also put there for those who can’t read.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/07/07/the-folly-of-blaming-the-eastern-u-s-heat-wave-on-global-warming/

  34. #34 John
    July 8, 2012

    I get it Karenmackspot. When there are snowstorms it is “COLD CLIMATE” and when there are heatwaves it is weather.

    Your whole argument was cold weather in winter disproves AGW. By a logical extenstion, hot weather in summer proves AGW.

    Nobody here is arguing that the heatwaves are proof of or “caused by” (nice strawman, Tony) global warming.

    I’m just extrapolating your argument to show you how weak, hypotrical, contradictory and self-serving it is.

  35. #35 Richard Simons
    July 8, 2012

    John: I have a pretty good idea of Betula’s views on climate change, but what I want is for him to come out and say so. He won’t, of course, because he has nothing to back him up but I think there is marginally more chance of engaging him than KarenMackSpot who comes across as an excitable, addled teenager. Duff I imagine as an elderly man, shuffling about in carpet slippers with his fly undone, complaining about modern times and ‘who has hidden my reading glasses?’

  36. #36 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    No little Johny, I merely pointed out that the climate is not “hot” as predicted, you know, all that guff about higher lows that you were confabulating about. lol

    Richard Simmons, I found your cute photo :) http://www.richardsimmonsdvds.com/0_61_320_Simmons2.jpg

  37. #37 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    …I merely pointed out that the climate is not “hot” as predicted…

    No, you did not.

    Hint: weather != climate.

  38. #38 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    Lotty dear, I’m always pointing out that the predictions have failed :)

  39. #39 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    I’m always pointing out falsely claiming that the predictions have failed by conflating weather with climate.

    FIFY.

  40. #40 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    …by conflating weather with climate – and by pretending that predictions have been for increased temperatures everywhere on the globe all the time.

    .

    FIFY some more.

  41. #42 Bernard J.
    July 8, 2012

    Hey, KMS, you figured out the time zone stuff yet? If so, are you going to admit that you were wrong?

  42. #43 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    Here is the post in question, what time was it barnturd ?

    Bernard J.
    July 5, 11:07 am

    It’s so easy to tell when KarenMackSuspot is cut…

    …he resorts to potty-mouth name-calling, but but with no other point.

    Heh, that describes quite a lot of his posts…

  43. #44 John
    July 8, 2012

    No little Johny, I merely pointed out that the climate is not “hot” as predicted

    No, you actually used the term “COLD CLIMATE” (caps yours) to describe the weather in winter and accused climate scientists of fraudulently manipulating data because there were media reports of cold weather.

    By your own argument, the US is now experiencing a hot climate (as “predicted”!), therefore proving AGW. But alas, this time around it’s just meaningless, meaningless “weather”.

  44. #45 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    I see my gentle needling provoked quite a reaction in Little Johny

    Historical Palmer Drought Indices
    Palmer Drought Severity Index
    June 2012

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/drought/historical-palmers.php?index=pdsi&month=6&beg_year=2012&end_year=2012&submitted=Submit

    Historical Palmer Drought Indices
    Palmer Drought Severity Index
    June 1934

    http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/temp-and-precip/drought/historical-palmers.php?index=pdsi&month%5B%5D=6&beg_year=1934&end_year=1934&submitted=Submit

    See Little Johny, there is nothing unprecedented about the summer in the US, now go back to your bedroom and play your Nintendo sweetheart :)

  45. #46 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    Little Johny when you have finished playing with your gameboy have a look at these years at the years 1902,1956, 1977, 1988 and 2002 the Historical Palmer Drought Indices
    Palmer Hydrological Drought Index
    for June.

    I really do think it’s shocking how the alarmist’s scare little children with end of the world fable’s.

  46. #47 bill
    July 8, 2012

    It’s all a bit like being chastised by yeast…

  47. #48 GSW
    July 8, 2012

    @bill

    You suffer from recurring bouts of thrush bill?

    ;)

  48. #49 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FIFY

    Apparently you are aware of all Internet traditions.

  49. #50 bill
    July 8, 2012

    No, I’m just mildly allergic to the seemingly boundless garrulous ferments of the Thing That Wouldn’t Shut Up (Or Make Sense.)

  50. #51 Bernard J.
    July 8, 2012

    Here is the post in question, what time was it barnturd ?

    And I calibrated it for you with the comment that I made exactly one hour previously, when I referred to Marco and Lionel, and accidentally called Marco Marcus.

    Can’t you work it out Einstein Potty-Mouth?

    You really don’t understand, do you? You are probably further confused by thinking that the world is flat…

  51. #52 wow
    July 8, 2012

    And to get a likely, if not accurate climate value for weather, you need to fit in a few years (wait unti the data is at least 16 years).

    You see, when someone is taking events over 30 years, even though each event is “only weather”, that 30-year view is climate.

    So a second 60-year event in 5 years is talking climate.

    A record is only weather.

  52. #53 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    barnterd you calibrated WRONG then,

    Getting forgetful or lying bernturd ?

    You stated on July 5, 1:21 pm

    “It’s also so easy to tell when barnturd is cut because the germ stammers”
    “Yeah, I noticed that too. That’s what happens when one is talking to three year old twins in real life, and simultaneously to another, intellectual three year old online ”

    The post where you were talking “simultaneously ” was the post ……

    Bernard J.
    July 5, 11:07 am

    It’s so easy to tell when KarenMackSuspot is cut…

    …he resorts to potty-mouth name-calling, but but with no other point.

    Heh, that describes quite a lot of his posts…

    See the stammer berturd, here is again

    “name-calling, but but with no other”

    Can you work out the time now nuff nuff ?

    Now lets see if you really are a man ?

  53. #54 Lionel A
    July 8, 2012
  54. #55 bill
    Adelaide, South Australia, 8/07/12, CST 8:55pm
    July 8, 2012

    …what’s the time, Kreationist Karen? ^

    Also, what is about the kind of intellect – and I use the term in the loosest sense possible – that’s called to Denial, and the remarkable inability to learn the most basic HTML code?

    Learn to do this, you Muppet…

    …and the world might be spared at least one order of dense, impenetrable gibberish!

  55. #56 wow
    July 8, 2012

    Did any of that pile of gobshite spots put up there mske ANY sense to anyone else?

  56. #57 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    Did any of that pile of gobshite spots put up there mske ANY sense to anyone else?

    No.

    This has been another edition of short answers to obvious questions ;-)

  57. #58 Bernard J.
    July 8, 2012

    KarenMackSunspot Potty-Mouth Mysogynist.

    Here’s the timetable:

    ~7:30 pm – kids arrive with grannie, having watched several hours of circus fun

    ~8:00 pm – kids brushing their teeth, whilst dad points out that KMSPMM has been straightened out about Linus Pauling, and that no-one is fooled by KMSPMM’s coprolalic idiocy.

    ~9:00 pm – kids are still giggling in bed about their circus, whilst dad is telling them to shush, and observing that another 3 year-old intellectual-equivalent throws coprolalic tanties when he’s bereft of anything substantive to say.

    – here and now – several days later, KMSPMM’s coprolalic hissy-fit has yet to subside, and he still can’t work out how to convert between time zones.

    So how about it KMSPMM – can you pick a random selection of my postings and tell the thread what time they were posted, with respect to Australian Eastern Standard Time?

  58. #59 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    FWIW, I’m still not sure what point Karen thinks Karen is making about the timing of Bernard’s posts – but then she appears to be employing the highly vaunted intellectual skills that lead to the kind of bogus conclusions she scatters about these pages. It takes a special depth of stupidity to fail to factor in the blatant hints pointing out that an 11:07am timestamp corresponds to (say) 9:07pm Eastern Australia (non daylight savings) time (and 8:37pm in South Australia, for example, and earlier still in Western Australia)…

  59. #60 Bernard J.
    July 8, 2012

    Awww, Loth, you’re making it too easy for KMSPMM!

    Still, I like to offer bonus questions, so perhaps the coprolalic misogynist would like to explain how he calculated that I live in the middle of the Indian Ocean…

    And, to cast pearls before swine, I’ll offer yet another nudge – my computer currently says 10:21 pm.

  60. #61 Karen
    July 8, 2012

    Yes I muffed up the Indian ocean part but I recognised that very early on, you on the other hand were still an hour out and didn’t know until I pointed it out to you, fool !

    Lothy explained to the dunce it was 9:07pm, not 8:00pm

    With all your dodging and twisting and failure to admit you were/are wrong you have demonstrated to all and sundry that you are not a man after all.

    So much for admit when you are wrong, sshhheeeezzzz

  61. #62 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    Yes I muffed up the Indian ocean part but I recognised that very early on,…

    So this is all a Pot. Kettle. Black. performance to distract from your other massive errors?

    Sheesh.

    BTW, feel free to point to an earlier comment where you admit that you got the “Indian Ocean” claim wrong – otherwise everyone will think you’re blatantly lying about it, which would be really ironic since you made a big song and dance accusing Bernard of “dodging and twisting and failure to admit you were/are wrong”, and you wouldn’t want people to think that was the sort of behaviour you engage in.

    Especially since you routinely engage in it with regard to climate science…

  62. #63 wow
    July 8, 2012

    I just wondered if spots there was actually wuoting something I missed or whether it went straight from rectum to keyboard without the brain getting a word in edgeways.

  63. #64 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    John…

    “I see my gentle needling provoked quite a reaction in Betula,”

    My fault. I forgot that more than 9 written lines is considered a lot for you. I’ll keep the comments short and then continue with a new comment so you can rest between them…

    Take a break.

  64. #65 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    John…

    Better?

    Believe it or not I understand your situation, it’s common among alarmists. Besides your short attention span and your obsession with rich vs poor, your fear of the unknown is haunting you with visions of catastrophies.

    Break.

  65. #66 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Take your time John…

    Anyways, my suggestion to you is to try and break the things you read into shorter, simpler formats so you can, one, finish reading them, two, you can understand them and three, they don’t seem so scary and intimidating.

    Break.

  66. #67 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Hang in there John…

    As for climate change, I understand that you don’t acknowlege the unknowns…. and the future is all bad. The bad future is the fault of the rich and the only way to change the future is to make sure the rich pay now.

    Break.

  67. #68 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    John?

    Let’s try one subject at a time. Remember, one sentence at a time…

    “The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is a scientific intergovernmental body[1][2] first established in 1988 by two United Nations organizations, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) and the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP)”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intergovernmental_Panel_on_Climate_Change

    Break time.

  68. #69 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Back from your nap John?

    So the IPCC was formed by two U.N. Organizations.

    The WMO…

    http://www.wmo.int/pages/themes/weather/developmentgoals.html

    Note the Millenium Developement Goals….

    Quick break….

  69. #70 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Keeping it short for you John…

    And UNEP…

    http://www.unep.org/mdgs/unep_and_mdg/index.asp

    Note the Millenium Developement Goals…

    Rest…

  70. #71 Lionel A
    July 8, 2012

    KrakenMack-its-the-sun-SpotBot

    Watch, learn and inwardly digest.

    There is a major inconsistency in Svensmark’s hypothesis on GCR links to global warming, can you tell me what that is?

  71. #72 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Poor John…

    And what is the main goal of the Millenium Developement Goals? And how do they plan obtaining financing to ahieve that goal? Be careful John, this requires some thought and research…

    Medication time John…go back to sleep.

  72. #73 Bernard J.
    July 8, 2012

    …you on the other hand were still an hour out and didn’t know until I pointed it out to you, fool !

    Erm, no. As usual.

    At time-stamp July 5, 1:21 pm I addressed your whining about me referring to Lionel A and Marco (which occurred in turn on July 5, 10:07 am), and I noted that I was “talking to three year old twins in real life”. I did not go into any more detail than that, because it was completely beside the point. You, however, imagining that I was in some other time zone that where I actually was, made it a talking point.

    In my very next post (July 5, 4:51 pm) after you spat the dummy about who was involved in correcting your misapprehensions about Linus Pauling, I made reference to my first post, where I mentioned Lionel and Marco, because I thought this matter the more substantive of your two whinings about my own postings. Go check – I left a whole lot of time stamps there elaborating on the Lionel/Marco thing, because I was focussing on that and not on the mere repetition of a word that apparently so got up your petty goat.

    That was when my kids were getting ready for bed – 8:00 pm or thereabouts, half an hour after arriving home, and just as I said. My repetition of “but” occurred an hour later, as I was rattling my sabre at some circus-excited kids.

    I am very much au fait with the time line in my own home. It’s bizarre to see you try to weave an issue out of it.

    I’m really not sure why you are so fixated on trying to rewrite this story, when it’s apparent to any sane person what was happening in my house. Well, actually, I do have a strong suspicion…

    You never, ever have any case to support anything that you say. Every piece of shite that you dump here is throughly composted and turned under by the vigilance of those of us here who do actually possess three-digit IQs. The more you flounder, the more you swear unnecessarily, and the more you make further mistake upon previous mistake upon fossilised mistake. You then try the “yeah, but..” gambit, or the “look, over there!” gambit, trying to pwn those who use your mental efforts for their own intellectual tooth-picks, and every time you get that wrong too.

    You’re a fool and a buffoon, KMSPMM, and normally I’d feel a pang of guilt at ridiculing one as obviously intellectually below par as you patently are, but your intransigent glorying in your own Dunningly-Krugered opinions assuages any remorse that might otherwise emerge in my conscience. Heck, I even feel some sympathy for Tim Curtin, but for you all I feel is the urge to pick you up in a doggy-poop bag and drop you in one of those handy council receptacles.

  73. #74 Lotharsson
    July 8, 2012

    Good grief, Betula appears to be expansively doubling down on the theory that someone somewhere may wish to cite a scientific finding to motivate goals that Betula doesn’t subscribe to, therefore the science simply must be bullshit.

    I know most of the rest of you can spot the fatal flaw in this argument…

  74. #75 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Lotharsson…

    “Betula appears to be expansively doubling down on the theory that someone somewhere may wish to cite a scientific finding to motivate goals that Betula doesn’t subscribe to, therefore the science simply must be bullshit.”

    “Appears” being the key word.

    “Someone somewhere” was spelled out as the United Nations…

    “may wish to cite a scientific finding”…. Predictions, unknowns and emphasis on worst case scenarios aren’t findings.

    “to motivate goals”…. What bigger motivater than fear?

    “that Betula doesn’t subscribe to”… I don’t subscribe to the method that only people with the same ideology would overlook.

    “therefore the science simply must be bullshit”…..using the science to create fear or tug at heartstrings to achieve an unrelated goal is bullshit.

    John, I apologize, there are more than 9 lines of content here. Go back to sleep, it was just another one of your worst case scenario nightmares.

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  75. #76 chek
    July 8, 2012

    It’s almost possible that Betty is trying to make a point in his last dozen posts, or at least one that the John ‘whacko’ Birch society might willingly grasp and fill in the gaping gaps for themselves on his behalf.

    But helping trolls to formulate what passes for thought in their empty, obstructive little heads has never been a high priority for me.

    My bad, but I find it’s much more productive to point and laugh at them and hold them up as a warning to kids who won’t eat their greens.

  76. #77 FrankD
    July 8, 2012

    BernardJ,

    I felt a twinge of pity for Karen earlier on, too, which she was floundering about trying to avoid talking about Greenland.

    But then I remembered something.

    Those three year old twins you mention? Karen thinks its okay for her to steal from them.

    Remember that and any misplaced pity will melt away.

  77. #78 Bernard J.
    July 8, 2012

    FrankD:

    Those three year old twins you mention? Karen thinks its okay for her to steal from them.

    Exactly. Bleeding-heart that I am I sometimes lose sight of this, and it’s handy to be reminded.

    I don’t want riches and fame for my kids; just the chance for them to see what I’ve seen, and to live in a world there there are things to potentially be seen even if one never does see them.

    Oh, and to have the same chance at health and survival as we’ve had.

    Spotty, Betty, Duffer and their buddies would have us live it up like drunken sailors in port after three years at sea, all at the expense of our kids’ futures, and whilst doing so pretend that it’s all sustainable, just so they don’t have to confront the immorality of their selfishness.

    I have not an iota of sympathy for sociopaths such as that.

  78. #79 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    “My bad, but I find it’s much more productive to point and laugh at them and hold them up as a warning to kids who won’t eat their greens”

    chek, your true colors are showing. You’re a true testament of liberal compassion, teaching kids to point at others and laugh. Good for you.

    Would you happen to be the proud parent of a vegan bully?

  79. #80 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    July 8, 2012

    STOP WORRYING! I bring you good news – again – although I don’t suppose I”ll receive any thanks for it.

    Anyway, you can stop biting your nails over the fate of the Fimbul Ice Shelf. I know some agitated ‘Warmers’ told you that it was melting but it ain’t! You see, what they did was ‘programme’ (that’s posh techie-talk for make it up) some stats and apply it to the poor old Fimbul Ice Shelf and then announce a ‘Shlock-Horror’ story that soon there wouldn’t be enough ice in it to chill your dry martini – oops, sorry, this is an Aussie site so you wouldn’t know what a dry martini is given that your favourite beverage is fizzy beer.

    Where was I? Oh yes, the good news is that some proper scientists, ‘Norskies’ as it hapens so they should know about ice, did some proper science. They drilled massive holes and then took measurements. (Taking measurements – that’s a novel idea!) Also, and this was dead crafty, they fixed measuring devices on the backs of giant seals who were perfectly happy to swim around *underneath* this ice shelf sneding data back ‘upstairs’. And the result was:

    “Overall, according to the team, their field data shows “steady state mass balance” on the eastern Antarctic coasts – ie, that no ice is being lost from the massive shelves there. The research is published in the journal Geophysical Research Letters.”

    Felling better, are you? No need to thank me, just the usual in a plain brownenvelope will do!

  80. #81 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    “Spotty, Betty, Duffer and their buddies would have us live it up like drunken sailors in port after three years at sea, all at the expense of our kids’ futures.”

    Not sure how i am involved in this other than in someones ideological imagination, however, I didn’t realize sailors were so thoughtless. And here they are selling themselves as a global force for good… Bastards!

    http://www.navy.com/navy.html

  81. #82 chek
    July 8, 2012

    Betty said: “chek, your true colors are showing. You’re a true testament of liberal compassion, teaching kids to point at others and laugh. Good for you.”

    Thanks Betty. World class stupidity deserves no less, and is certainly not to be encouraged or even pitied. Ridicule remains a harmless and humane social response. Some of your rightwing antecedents had rather more brutal solutions.

  82. #83 chek
    July 8, 2012

    What’s that Skippyduff?
    Only the western Antarctic ice shelves are breaking up for now? And the Antarctic landmass under the ice slopes from the highlands in the east to the lowlands in the west and it’s the western ice shelves that help buttress all that land ice?

    Felling better, are you? No, not really, although no doubt east, west or south is all the same thing to your fuzzy little macrpod brains.

  83. #84 Lionel A
    July 8, 2012

    But Duffer is too stupid to try using something like this GeoMapApp to learn about topography and stuff.

    But if the worst happens here Greenland Ice Sheet Melt Nearing Critical ‘Tipping Point’ then that West Antarctic Ice Shelf will become more vulnerable. Go figure why Duffer.

  84. #85 Marco
    July 8, 2012

    Actually, the Duffer has already been debunked some days ago by John Nielsen-Gammon. Do keep up, Duff!
    http://blog.chron.com/climateabyss/2012/06/why-the-public-is-confused-about-climate-science-part-1327570/

    The money quote:
    “So Hattermann et al. (2012) agrees with Rignot et al. (2008), which agrees with Chen et al. (2009), even while the Register article presented a narrative claiming that Hattermann et al. (2012) disproved Chen et al. (2009) and disproved the sciencific consensus about mass loss in Antarctica in the process.”

  85. #86 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    “Ridicule remains a harmless and humane social response”

    I’m sorry Nelson, I didn’t realize ridicule is what you use to fall back on. If pointing and laughing is all you have then by all means run with it. …

    Oh, and from now I will refer to you as Nelson (only less sophisticated)….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78

    You’re Welcome.

  86. #87 chek
    July 8, 2012

    Ah but Betty, your incoherent baiting is only worthy of ridicule, which isn’t a reserve strategy in your case, but rather all you’ve got.

  87. #88 chek
    July 8, 2012

    Cont’d: “but rather all you’ve got” by way of response.

    Although I believe Richard did try to get you to man up and try being coherent, but that just seemed to incite a further flurry of partially thought out phrases.

    (I don’t know what happened there – hitting return submitted the previous comment).

  88. #89 ianam
    July 8, 2012

    I know most of the rest of you can spot the fatal flaw in this argument…

    Betula is a walking talking fallacy of affirmation of the consequent, right up there with the Heartland’s billboards.

    There are reasonably intelligent deniers/skeptics out there. Betula/KMS/PentaxZ/Duff aren’t. They are self-refuting it would be best to simply ignore them.

  89. #90 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Nelson….
    You state.. “Ah but Betty, your incoherent baiting is only worthy of ridicule”

    Then, in the very next sentence, you incoherently try to bait me with Richards bait…..”Although I believe Richard did try to get you to man up and try being coherent”

    This where you point and laugh at yourself.

    Cue chek mate:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIrhVo1WA78

  90. #91 chek
    July 8, 2012

    Nah, sorry Betty.
    It seems only the likes of “Karen” can now follow your train-wreck-of- thought consciousness.
    Which must be a great comfort for you.

  91. #92 John
    July 8, 2012

    Sorry for breaking Betula everyone. I know he is soft and can’t handle gentle mockery of his fringe conspiritorial fantasies. On the plus side we see how unsettled and mentally unhinged these shrieking, shrill little shysters have become. Marginalised deniers like Betula make the truthers look sane. in comparison.

    Cheer up Misery Guts. There is no UN conspiracy :)

  92. #93 Betula
    July 8, 2012

    Shorter chek and John….

    We can pretend the Millenium Developement Goals don’t exist if we point in the opposite direction and make a lot of noise…….Goal Deniers.

    John, just how much time do you have until the nurse calls lights out?

  93. #94 Lotharsson
    July 9, 2012

    “Appears” being the key word.

    “Appears” being your problem.

    Despite repeated invitations, you have yet to specifically point out where your viewpoint differs from established science for any reason other than vague conspiracy theories. Waffling (fallaciously as it happens) that “Predictions, unknowns and emphasis on worst case scenarios aren’t [scientific] findings.” is a transparent attempt to avoid grappling with the actual science.

    And:

    …using the science to create fear or tug at heartstrings to achieve an unrelated goal is bullshit.

    merely reiterates my point!

    You haven’t demonstrated that (say)tugging the heartstrings is an inappropriate response to the science which you haven’t rebutted, that rebuttal being a necessary step before you can declare responses to the science to be inappropriate.

    Then again, grokking this point requires favouring logic over conspiracy theorising, so I don’t hold much hope that you will succeed.

  94. #95 Lotharsson
    July 9, 2012

    Shorter Betula:

    I can pretend the scientific case for concern does not exist if I point at the Millennium Development Goals and shriek some vague conspiracy theories…

  95. #96 Lotharsson
    July 9, 2012

    Does anyone else find it ironic that Betula wails that “using the science to create fear … to achieve an unrelated goal is bullshit” – yet uses fear of the U.N.’s goals to attempt to cast bullshit doubt on the science?

  96. #97 chek
    July 9, 2012

    What Lotharsson said.

    And simplifying a stage further, just because you, Betty, have a well-worn mule track in your mind that’s worn a two feet deep rut connecting ‘science’ and ‘leftyland’, means nothing outside your shrill, internal private auditorium

    Realistic alternatives are all yours for the inventing of. You just have to bear in mind that reality is frequently said to have a liberal bias, and that ideology – no matter how hard you wish otherwise – doesn’t trump sciemce. Just look at the pig’s ear Watts’ and McIntyre and Co. make of it when they try. And I mean really try.

  97. #98 bill
    July 9, 2012

    ‘Ironic’? Well, sorta… ‘Moronic? Fully.

    The constant chafing of reality against Denial has reduced it to the level of the detritus we are subjected to here.

  98. #99 John
    July 9, 2012

    Noticed the same thing Loth. Karen reckons the UN actively want to kill people, yet we are the alarmists.

    Happy to be labelled a “goal denier”.

    In fact, I reckon Betula should take this one step further and submit an article about “goal deniers” to WUWT.

  99. #100 Betula
    July 9, 2012

    Loth, chek , John (when he wakes up) et al….

    Press Conference:

    “the United Nations is proposing international taxes and other innovative financing mechanisms to raise more than $400 billion annually to meet global priorities like fighting climate change and meeting the Millennium Development Goals, according to the Organization’s annual global development report”

    “We are suggesting various ways to tap resources through international mechanisms, such as coordinated taxes on carbon emissions, air traffic and financial and currency transactions”

    http://www.un.org/News/briefings/docs/2012/120705_DESA.doc.htm

    Of course, there wasn’t really a press conference…..this is just a little gentle needling.

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