August 2013 Open thread

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  1. #1 Luke
    August 26, 2013

    Now don’t go using that language – Luke1 has gone back to the States – you now have Luke2 – I’m waiting here for my friends and listening to some quiet music. Deltoids just go and chatter among yourselves about things that amuse you. Don’t mind us – we just thought we’d use the venue given it wasn’t being used for anything else of note.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCscCN-FPz0

  2. #2 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    “Meat, with the hebrews taken out of it?”

    What does that mean scumbag?

  3. #3 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    Let’s talk about the seasonal accuracy of the models. A cool PDO, a neutral ENSO, warm waters around Australia, cool and wet in south east Oz.

    http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/ahead/temps_ahead.shtml

    Totally believable.

  4. #4 el gordo
    August 26, 2013
  5. #5 FrankD
    August 26, 2013

    Lets talk about the accuracy of your summary, Gordo.

    A cool PDO

    Your link doesn’t say that. You failed on one line of text. Totally unsurprising…

  6. #6 Lionel A
    August 26, 2013

    What does that mean scumbag?

    As Lotharsson says, it is always projection with these types, along with the juvenile toilet and sexual low-tones of language. I didn’t realise that they were using kindergarten as a pool for lawyers, and security dog’s bodies.

    And Luke fails to understand the important of the Wegman fiasco which exposed McIntyre to another spotlight. And Cox, well did he really study climatology?

    He missed the bits about what science is, and isn’t and the difference between climate and weather and how we can tell the difference. Cox must have come down in the last meteor shower and has yet to develop a robust cognitive framework on this topic.

    One can sense the increase in frequency of perturbations there – hint that is a big clue about one of the topics in that above statement.

    The trouble with many lawyers is that they never let the truth get in the way of the right result for their client and they think science works this way too. BK had a lawyer-speak bent and we know where that went.

  7. #7 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    Oh yeah, I took that as a given. I was more interested in the seasonal models and not one half of a 60 year cycle.

  8. #8 Luke
    August 26, 2013

    But you will also notice the simulation of the IOD and ability to resolve extreme events given the full GCM implementation.

    But note the novel downscaling mechanism of 8 regions, 6 predictors and the output of historical rainfall for “most similar” day as the forecast rainfall. This is a very new approach.

    Additionally multi-week MJO predictions in the one system.

  9. #9 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    While we are in the Pacific, cyclone activity hasn’t been this quiet in 5000 years.

    http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0277379113002849

  10. #11 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    guffaw

  11. #12 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    So Lionel you didn’t think scumbag was being racist?

    Of all the professions lawyers most support the AGW meme; what does that tell you Lionel?

  12. #13 Lionel A
    August 26, 2013

    Of all the professions lawyers most support the AGW meme; what does that tell you Lionel?

    That you are an exception, if your statement is true. IIRC there were quite a number of lawyers on the OPP roll call.

    Oh! And BTW I passed no comment on any racism.

  13. #14 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    Excellent obfuscation and weaselling Lionel!

  14. #15 Bernard J.
    August 26, 2013
    What, you call yourself a lawyer and you can’t even figure out that it’s the NSF link itself that’s borked, and not Craig Thomas’s duplication of it?

    How is it “borked”? I just clicked on it, and a pdf comes up just fine.

    Vince.

    It’s a bit odd. I tried on two separate computers, and the first didn’t open up from Craig’s link or from the NSF’s link (which is not surprising as they are one and the same) but both work fine from my home computer.

    Still, cohenite’s inability to find evencached files is demonstrated, as is his fear of confronting John Mashey about Mashey’s extremely detailed research.

    It seems that cohenite doesn’t want to admit that Salby is an unreliable witness.

  15. #16 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    ‘The whole issue of uncertainty seems to be growing in importance. Skeptics are increasingly getting their papers published (including some that have emerged from the skeptical blogosphere).

    Judith Curry

  16. #17 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    Oh BJ, you are a hoot; yes, you have discovered my innermost fear; fear of confrontation with John Mashey, he whose surname is the onomatopoeic summary of AGW.

  17. #18 Lionel A
    August 26, 2013

    Excellent obfuscation and weaselling Lionel!

    Really?

    If you must have it your way I must have picked up that technique from

    some lawyer.

  18. #19 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    So…..Cohenite hasn’t commented on
    http://www.nsf.gov/oig/search/I06090025.pdf
    yet….why would that be, I wonder?

    And if carne deshebrada doesn’t mean, “meat, with hebrews taken out of it”, I guess my Spanish isn’t quite up to his standards.
    I’m sure the “scumbags” doesn’t come out of the same innermost recesses that his mate, Joanne Codling, gets her “international bankers” conspiracy theories from.

  19. #20 FrankD
    August 26, 2013

    cyclone activity hasn’t been this quiet in 5000 years.

    Stunningly, Gordo’s summary is not what his link says. Again.

    Gordo is an interpreter of interpretations. Why interpret, Gordo? Why not just RTFP. Its not difficult.

  20. #21 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    Don’t deflect Vince; your real self came out; don’t blame others; how pitiful.

    NSF accused Salby of fraud; Salby said they had no proof to sustain that claim; they agreed and admitted so on page 30 of the report.

  21. #22 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    So you’re saying you had to wade through 29 pages before being able to find the tiniest bit of justification for Salby’s state of denial over his undeniable disbarment by the NSF?

  22. #23 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    Oh, and does Joanne Codling have a problem with “international banking families”, or not? Who is “deflecting”?

  23. #24 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    Even Andrew Bolt drew the line at the nutty “international banking families” conspiracy theorising.

    And that’s saying something.

  24. #25 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    “tiniest bit”; ha, ha, ha, ha. They accused him of fraud then admitted they had no proof! That is just dumb.

  25. #26 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    I see you haven’t read the document yet, Anthony, still basing your belief on what you read on the Jo Nova kook-blog.

    Why don’t you read the document?

  26. #27 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    Quite apart from the fictitious timesheets, the following is stated:

    The Subject provided deceptive and incomplete information to NSF about his affiliations with Company 1, and inaccurate information to NSF OIG about his affiliations with Company 1 and Company 2.

    The Subject provided deceptive or misleading statements to the University on his conflicts of interest forms and financial disclosure forms, and provided false and deceptive information to the University during the investigation about his additional external remuneration

  27. #28 Vince Whirlwind
    August 26, 2013

    Oh, and,

    Subject’s actions as delineated in each Finding summarized above were taken to maximize his personal financial compensation, and to shield the extent of his compensation from discovery or accountability.

    Just imagine if Michael Mann had ever been caught faking a timesheet? The hullaballoo we’d have heard from the Murdoch media, eh?

  28. #29 Lotharsson
    August 26, 2013

    And Mann would not have had McIntryre DESTROY the Hockey Stick if he knew what he’s doing – it won’t be in AR5 – go figure. It’s smashed.

    Sheesh, the rampant denialism – complete with bonus non sequitur – come tumbling out after you prod and poke a bit at the guy who swears he’s not at all in denial. Whodathunkit?

    (And is it just me, or is Luke smelling more and more like a wannabe BK without the latter’s great charm, elegantly restrained commenting style, clear prose and incisive wit?)

  29. #30 Stu
    August 26, 2013

    He smells like another Jonas, but with much more cunt.

  30. #31 chek
    August 26, 2013

    It’s smashed.

    If I only had a bitcoin for every time some ignorant denier loon put their fantasy world on show and declared it to be the real world…

  31. #32 Lionel A
    August 26, 2013

    He smells like another Jonas…

    Indeed, maybe his own thread ‘Luke’s Cupid Stunts‘.

  32. #33 Marco
    August 26, 2013

    Defending a criminal convicted of theft and claiming he is innocent, because the court ultimately did not find him guilty of assault. That’s Cox’ argument in a nutshell. Forget that theft thingie, he was not guilty of the assault, and therefore innocent of everything!

  33. #34 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Gordy #57 previous page

    Not interested where he gets his money from, his science gathering is sound.

    No, it’s deliberate and serial misrepresentation. I showed this to you days ago.

    Why will you only ever look at fossil-fuel funded liars and other cranks?

    Try again. In good faith, this time.

    Craig Thomas provides plenty *more* evidence at #74 and #75, to which you made a characteristically witless response.

    Jeff Harvey contributes further at #90.

    I have hammered this point home with you for days only for you to ignore it completely.

    You are a tool of the shills, Gordy.

    A tool. But now, you are a witting tool because we’ve shown you the truth.

    Yet still you continue your behaviour. Now that is sickening, immoral and contemptible.

  34. #35 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Amazingly, Luke is still posting here but has not yet answered my questions. Although I note that he is now claiming to be somebody else, so perhaps he is insufficiently sane to answer my questions.

    Anyway, here they are again:

    * * *

    An updated list of things Luke urgently needs to do:

    1/ Link to a study that “proves” that the models are “FALSIFIED”

    2/ Link to the blog discussion with Kellow

    3/ Link to the quote where I am exposed as an OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIAR.

    4/ PAGES 2k validates MBH99. By doing so, it *invalidates* the claims that MBH99 was profoundly flawed. Yes or no?

    To recap, that is:

    1/ ?

    2/ ?

    3/ ?

    4/ ?

    * * *

    You’d better get stuck in, Luke. Otherwise people might start to think that you can’t provide this information and have (yet again!) been show to be a liar, poseur and intellectual lightweight!

  35. #36 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    #29 Lotharsson

    It’s almost – but not quite – enough to make me feel nostalgic for BK.

  36. #37 Lionel A
    August 26, 2013

    BBD @ itsnotnova I think Jhon Masdhey pinned the Idso and JoNova nonsense for what it is in a reply:

    Note that money has flowed through the Heartland Institute to CO2Science,m and almost certainly to Jo Nova for The Skeptics Handbook. See Fake science, … and Fakeducation. Search for Nova in the PDFs.

    As for Murray Salby and ‘his science gathering is sound’, another marker for the way it is not is here:


    Murry Salby – Confused About The Carbon Cycle
    where we find this which opens with a Salby quote:

    “Net annual emission has an average increase of about 1.5ppmv per year. We’re on the right planet. That’s the annual average increase you just saw. But it varies between years, dramatically by over 100%. From nearly zero in some years to 3ppmv in others. Net global emission of CO2 changes independently of of the human contribution”

    At this point the accentuation and drama in Salby’s voice make it sound as though he has stumbled onto something momentous, something no one else has noticed before. On the face of it, it seems preposterous that the army of scientists that have worked on carbon cycling over the years could have missed something so glaringly obvious. No, of course they haven’t.

    Sound! My ****!

  37. #38 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    I’m constantly amazed that anyone in 2013 could still by trying to pretend that the increase in CO2 *isn’t* human-caused.

    That is pure flat-earth denialism. Too stupid to merit further discussion.

    Why am I not surprised to find out that funding from *anonymous donors” (!) has been directed by the HI to Codling.

    Yet you can show these tools commenting here everything from ExxonSecrets to the exposure of the Donors Trust and they *still* keep on repeating the lies produced by the shills and vehemently deny that they are now just tools.

    Hilariously, they then spray their rancid projections right back at the rest of us as festering conspiracist ideation, the barely disguised belief that “climate scientists” are faking data and fooling the public for financial and political gain.

    As Lotharsson says…

  38. #39 Jeff Harvey
    August 26, 2013

    Sourcewatch sums up Joanne Nova pretty well:

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Joanne_Nova

  39. #40 Berendaneke
    August 26, 2013

    @Harvey greenpisser

    I give another chance to take of reality, which you ideology greenpisser don’t like:

    The scientific evidence for the validity of the AGW hypothesis is weak:

    1) A global surface temperature increase has not been convincingly shown so far due to methodological weaknesses

    2) Consequently a part of a hypothetical temperature increase – which could not be shown so far – due to anthropogenic CO2 is not demonstrated so far by climatology

    3) GCMS do not provide any evidence for CO2 warming in reality. It’s only virtual reality and clouds cannot be modeled so far. Therefore this is methodological crap.

    4) Harveys insect biology is irrelevant regarding the CO2 hypothesis. Life is always adapting to environment, but Harvey does not like this.

    You greenpissers on deltoid are poor ideologists, far away from science. You are a shame for mankind. Try to remove your ideological greenpiss dirt and work hard to become decent citizens instead of staying unethical idiots.

  40. #41 chek
    August 26, 2013

    Sourcewatch sums up Joanne Nova pretty well

    With an organ grinder of that calibre, that explains the quality of her monkeys.

  41. #42 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    1) A global surface temperature increase has not been convincingly shown so far due to methodological weaknesses

    Cobblers!

    You damn yourself to the crank bin with your very first claim.

    Good work, Freddy!

  42. #43 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    BTW Freddy, blatant sock-puppetry.

    I suggest that you revert to calling yourself Freddy/Kai and leave it at that.

  43. #44 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    ‘Why not just RTFP. Its not difficult.’

    Ta, my bad, that paper didn’t say cyclone activity is the lowest its been in 5000 years. What they said was….

    ‘Longer records show tropical cyclone activity was higher from 5000 to 3800 and 2900 to 500 yrs BP.’

    There is a subtle difference.

  44. #45 Turboblocke
    August 26, 2013
  45. #46 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    ‘You are a tool of the shills, Gordy.’

    If you say so, but by comparison you have been brainwashed by the Klimatariat into thinking increasing CO2 is going to make the planet inhospitable.

    If temperatures had continued to rise this century the Warmista would have had the world in their pocket, but the Oz people are fundamentally sceptical and will vote against the motion that CO2 is a pollutant.

  46. #47 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    The Oz people can vote freely as is their democratic right. And they will. However, their beliefs on this matter won’t alter the way physics works. What troubles me is your incessant misrepresentation of scientific evidence in support of nothing more than a political position.

    * * *

    I haven’t been brainwashed by anybody, Gordy. My position is derived from topic knowledge, not political leanings.

    We’re now entering King of Old Siam territory, but I have never belonged to, or consistently voted for, any political party. I am not, and have never been, a member of any ENGO or a supporter of one.

    This is about physical climatology for me. This is why we have such fruitless conversations.

  47. #48 chek
    August 26, 2013

    What Gordon means of course is: the Oz people are fundamentally scepticaldumb and will vote against the motion buy our anti-scientific bullshit that CO2 is a pollutant. cannot warm the planet.

  48. #49 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Incidentally, re Toomey et al. and going from the abstract only, as you doubtless are yourself, the authors point to precessional forcing and ENSO as possible mechanisms for the higher frequency of tropical cyclogenesis in the central Pacific. Precessional forcing was the main driver of early-mid Holocene warmth. Precessional forcing fell from a peak ~10ka right across the Holocene. Summer NH insolation declined by ~8% at a stable rate so it was ~4% above modern levels ~5ka. As Toomey et al. appear to acknowledge.

    This study is of little comfort to those claiming that a warming climate *won’t* affect tropical cyclogenesis.

  49. #50 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    ‘This study is of little comfort to those claiming that a warming climate *won’t* affect tropical cyclogenesis.’

    The impression I get is that a cooler world may see less cyclones.

  50. #51 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    Temperatures have remained flat for 17 years, it really is a disgrace.

    http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/clip_image0024.jpg

  51. #52 Turboblocke
    August 26, 2013

    The impression I get is that a cooler world may see less cyclones.

    So what do think will happen a sit gets warmer?

  52. #53 chek
    August 26, 2013

    I’ll let you into a secret TB.
    They have no contingency against the next El Niño, or the one after that or the one after that etc etc.etc..

  53. #54 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Beat me to it, Turboblocke!

    I have asked Gordy – who apparently believes GAT will fall – to provide a physical mechanism for this when the climate system is subjected to a sustained increase in forcing.

    He has not, so far, responded to this question!

    They all do that, don’t they?

    Odd.

  54. #55 Luke
    August 26, 2013

    I must say that the tone of the discussion has not improved. One must assume that the Deltoid fraternity is not able to undertake a science discussion of any level and surrounds itself with pseudo-political rhetoric – a great pity that a blog so strong on themes has become day care facility for 6 or so highly eccentric and likely deeply psychotic individuals who seem unable to discuss any contemporary science without some slavish appeal to authority. Hardly a recommendation for inquisitive minds. What would a lay visitor gain from visiting here – certainly no level of public discourse worth the bandwidth.

    Rather disappointing for a blog with such history.

    Meanwhile lets play a track while waiting on some friends.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLVmBOOqVU

  55. #56 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    If it gets warmer then we might expect cyclones to increase, but we are at the tail end of the Holocene and CO2 is not the main driver of temperatures so…. here’s something more on the Pacific by highly respected Mojib latif.

    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-12-00626.1

  56. #57 chek
    August 26, 2013

    A little exercise for Gordon and pals is to look at the global temperature data over the past 130+ years and work out (using a simple straight edge) how long it took for a previous extremes to become the average.

  57. #58 chek
    August 26, 2013

    “here’s something more on the Pacific by highly respected the crank Mojib latif.

    Corrected that for you Gordon. Your sources, as ever, are less than impeccable.

  58. #59 chek
    August 26, 2013

    A serious question Gordon.
    Do you really think even the Aussie public are going to buy your freakshow?

  59. #60 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    ‘Why not just RTFP. Its not difficult.’

    Ta, my bad, that paper didn’t say cyclone activity is the lowest its been in 5000 years. What they said was….

    ‘Longer records show tropical cyclone activity was higher from 5000 to 3800 and 2900 to 500 yrs BP.’

    There is a subtle difference.

    The difference is not subtle at all.

    There could be 20 different levels of cyclone activity and we are currently in 3rd position.

    Your “lowest in 5000 years” is uttterly incompatible with the research you misunderstood and misquoted.

  60. #61 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    #51

    :-)

    The RSS surface temperature record again!

    1/ It’s not the surface temperature!

    2/ It’s TLT!

    3/ RSS is an outlier!

    4/ The start year is a cherry pick!

    5/ So it’s all bollocks!

    :-)

  61. #62 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    Temperatures have remained flat for 17 years, it really is a disgrace.

    Utter crap, El Gordo – the last La Nina year was the hottest La Nina ever.
    The energy imbalance is still present, therefore heat continues to accumulate.

  62. #63 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Still problems with that multiple personality disorder Luke?

    I’m sorry to hear it.

    Can one of you answer a few questions for me?

    * * *

    An updated list of things Luke urgently needs to do:

    1/ Link to a study that “proves” that the models are “FALSIFIED”

    2/ Link to the blog discussion with Kellow

    3/ Link to the quote where I am exposed as an OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIAR.

    4/ PAGES 2k validates MBH99. By doing so, it *invalidates* the claims that MBH99 was profoundly flawed. Yes or no?

    To recap, that is:

    1/ ?

    2/ ?

    3/ ?

    4/ ?

    * * *

    Thanks.

  63. #64 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    Latif is a strong supporter of the notion that CO2 causes global warming…. here’s more on the great climate shifts.

    ‘The winds change the ocean currents which in turn affect the climate. In our study, we were able to identify and realistically reproduce the key processes for the two abrupt climate shifts.’

    ‘We have taken a major step forward in terms of short-term climate forecasting, especially with regard to the development of global warming. However, we are still miles away from any reliable answers to the question whether the coming winter in Germany will be rather warm or cold.’

    Mojib Latif

  64. #65 cohenite
    August 26, 2013

    Thanks for the Philipona paper luke; alas I have to leave you; I’m out of the country meeting with some of my clients; first the various drug cartels in Mexico; then some of the money laundering organisations in Europe diverting money from various carbon trading shonks and then on to SE Asia to wrap up the next strategy for the boat smugglers.

    UNlike the virtuous climate scientists who vet their financial sources so carefully I believe money is the ultimate expression of democracy!

    BB, you’re my hero; I’ll be passing through the Casbah: let’s Rock the Casbah together BB; we’ll have such a time. Drop me a line if you can get here at:

    Middle-Eastern Imports and Exports; our motto; dead or alive we come through, at Burqa PD, C- US embassy.

    Hope to see you soon; pack some poetry books; you can give me a reading as we drink hibiscus tea laced with arak at sunset.

  65. #66 chek
    August 26, 2013

    And no fucking links for good reason, eh Gordon?
    We’re just supposed to take the word of a senile old fantasist.

  66. #67 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    Another post from Luke, and another post with no discernable content.

    I’m starting to think Luke is even more of a waste of time than El Gordo is.

    Whereas El Gordo is unerringly wrong, Luke just has nothing to say.

  67. #68 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    Hey, how come nobody’s talking about Murry Salby anymore?

    Hmmmm?

  68. #69 el gordo
    August 26, 2013

    ‘…the last La Nina year was the hottest La Nina ever.
    The energy imbalance is still present, therefore heat continues to accumulate.’

    You’re clutching at straws, the reality is that in a cool PDO there probably (going on previous) won’t be many El Nino in the next couple of decades.

    Temperatures will most likely imitate the 1947-1976 great climate shift. Can we talk about the 60 year cycle now?

  69. #70 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    With Salby’s value to the deniers now hovering somewhere around zero, presumably we’ll be back to Boretti next, the “coastal engineer” from an inland university, who isn’t a coastal engineer and whose name is sometimes Albert Parker.

    Come on El Gordo, your great wheel of nonsense hasn’t landed on Boretti for ages.

    Top-notch stuff.

  70. #71 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    I’m out of the country meeting with some of my clients; first the various drug cartels in Mexico

    If only this were true. From what I’ve seen here, you must be a dreadful lawyer, and the cartels are notably impatient with failure!

    :-)

  71. #72 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    Temperatures will most likely imitate the 1947-1976 great climate shift.

    Got any references for that?

    Can we talk about the 60 year cycle now?

    That would be a 60-year cycle concocted from a broken model that goes completely pear-shaped if hindcast past 1920, right? The cycle that doesn’t actually exist.
    Next!

  72. #73 Luke
    August 26, 2013

    Mr BBD – please stop being disingenuous and take that up with Luke1 – BTW – as saw it you called him twice and he responded. That puts you in the bad faith zone I’m afraid. You don’t get another turn if you’ve been caught out twice in a row. Your incrementalist campaigning style could be replaced with some intelligent comment to Luke1′s initial inquiry and list of issues but it’s not my problem that you’re not sufficiently intelligent to undertake a discussion.

    I’m only here to discuss serious contemporary science with intelligent people and and waiting for Cohenite to return.

    That and providing great tits.

  73. #74 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Luke

    Does your little picture change each time a sub-personality takes over?

    Page 31 #52:

    Mate we just become whatever persona makes you happy. You see that is the test of your objectivity. How much you read into what you don’t know. Remember there are many Lukes. A whole club of them. Or did I just tell you that? Do you know?

  74. #75 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    This makes for amusing reading:
    http://uknowispeaksense.wordpress.com/tag/anthony-cox/

    Do you suppose Cox will develop some self-awareness at some stage?

  75. #76 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Mr BBD – please stop being disingenuous and take that up with Luke1

    Go for it!

    Dig!

    And congratulations for the most absurd evasion I think I have ever seen.

    :-)

  76. #77 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    That and providing great tits.

    What, no cunthook?

    I feel cheated, Luke.

  77. #78 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    #75

    No.

  78. #79 chek
    August 26, 2013

    Deniers are fundamentally insane – as shown on this very thread.

  79. #80 BBD
    August 26, 2013

    Still chortling about this:

    Mr BBD – please stop being disingenuous

    I mean, really. It’s just not cricket.

  80. #81 chek
    August 26, 2013

    Yes, that’s a zinger from Luke de Kook (Gordon’s go-to climate intellectual).
    But then this thread is an entire cornucopia of denier fantasy, insanity and bingo points.

  81. #82 Craig Thomas
    August 26, 2013

    Just had a look on Austlii – there are two Anthony Coxs: one works for Centrelink, pursuing pathetics, the other works for Philips Fox, exclusively engaged in work for Dept of Immigration, also pursuing pathetics.
    Could be the same guy, I guess.

    Either way, he’s not exactly Geoffrey Robertson or Stuart Littlemore, that’s for sure.

    Also ironic that this “sceptic” isn’t out there fighting for the little man, but is in fact a small cog in a large government machine.

    Climate change denial must be the little escape into fantasy that helps him forget the tedium of his minnow status within the legal fraternity.

  82. #83 chek
    August 27, 2013

    Yes, apart from a 50 year old photo, there doesn’t seem to be much trace of the character known as Anthony Cox.

  83. #84 chameleon
    August 27, 2013

    “CLIMATE CHANGE DENIAL” ??????????
    hahahahahaha!
    Craig is just shooting messengers and in the process manages to shoot himself in the foot.
    I can sort of see why your new friend ‘Luke of the changing avatars’ can’t resist poking fun at you people.
    He appeared here to try and help you and you’re all so intent on being spiteful and rude that you have comprehensively and completely missed it.
    Craig!!!!! Luke is correct and it is in fact the Deltoids who are attempting to escape into fantasy.
    Your tactics are better suited to a school yard.
    You are merely playing dirty politics.

  84. #85 chek
    August 27, 2013

    That should of course be: a 50 year old photo

  85. #86 Luke
    August 27, 2013

    Mr Chek – well you could start with Luke1′s various lists that he has made and say

    Point 1 is wrong because “……” and continue 1 through n

    and that would be in your own words not a cite nor appeal to authority or dismissal. Should take you probably 10 minutes if you are gun – but alas we will be disappointed.

    Of course if you really want to impress us you could tell us how the greenhouse effect works at a molecular level. In your own words please.

  86. #87 el gordo
    August 27, 2013

    Craig they are fairly convinced there are cycles within cycles.

    Zhen-Shan and Xian (“Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years”, Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics, Vol.95, 2007 [http://www.springerlink.com/content/g28u12g2617j5021/]):

    “A novel multi-timescale analysis method, Empirical Mode Decomposition (EMD), is used to diagnose the variation of the annual mean temperature data of the global, Northern Hemisphere (NH) and China from 1881 to 2002. The results show that: (1) Temperature can be completely decomposed into four timescales quasi-periodic oscillations including an ENSO-like mode, a 6–8-year signal, a 20-year signal and a 60-year signal, as well as a trend. With each contributing ration of the quasi-periodicity discussed, the trend and the 60-year timescale oscillation of temperature variation are the most prominent.”

  87. #88 BBD
    August 27, 2013

    Luke

    Nobody believes your latest and most risible evasion. So keep it up!

    Dig!

    :-)

  88. #89 BBD
    August 27, 2013

    Luke

    Every time you pretend it wasn’t you the laughter gets louder.

    So one of the Gadarene herd needs to deal with this:

    * * *

    An updated list of things Luke urgently needs to do:

    1/ Link to a study that “proves” that the models are “FALSIFIED”

    2/ Link to the blog discussion with Kellow

    3/ Link to the quote where I am exposed as an “OUTRIGHT FUCKING LIAR”.

    4/ PAGES 2k validates MBH99. By doing so, it *invalidates* the claims that MBH99 was profoundly flawed.

    Yes or no?

    To recap, that is:

    1/ ?

    2/ ?

    3/ ?

    4/ ?

    * * *

    Or the mockery will never cease.

    And you nutters *hate* being laughed at, as we have seen!

    :-)

  89. #90 chek
    August 27, 2013

    Of course if you really want to impress us you could tell us how the greenhouse effect works at a molecular level. In your own words please.

    Why stop at the molecular level when you’ve got the quantum level, you ignorant faking moron? What really gripes you Luke is that you and your anti-science chums are impotent when faced with the science.

    Don’t bloviate on a blog – go ahead and disprove that CO2 is warming the atmosphere. You can’t, as we know, which is why you do what you do.

  90. #91 Bernard J.
    August 27, 2013

    So far on this thread I’ve detected the following memes:

    1) CO2 is not a ‘greenhouse’ gas

    2) CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is not increasing

    3) Humans are emitting CO2 but this is not increasing CO2 concentration in the atmosphere – natural processes are doing that

    4) Mean global temperature is not increasing with the increase in CO2 concentration in the atmosphere

    5) Mean global temperature is not increasing very much

    6) Mean global temperature is increasing but warming is Good

    7) Mean global temperature is increasing and it won’t affect biodiversity

    8) scientists are liars

    9) scientists are frauds and conspirators

    10) scientists are incompetent

    There may be others but I’m already puzzled as to which of the memes above is the favoured meme of each of the Denialati that are engaged in the anti-scientific defæcations on this thread.

  91. #92 el gordo
    August 27, 2013

    * CO2 is a ghg.

    * CO2 is increasing in the atmosphere at an alarming rate.

    * With the warmer temperatures a lot more CO2 has been liberated from the deep oceans, but its undeniable that humans have contributed to the increase.

    * Mean global temps have stalled, as CO2 continues to rise at a hectic and alarming pace.

    * Biodiversity is not endangered by a shift of 2 degrees from where we now stand at the end of the Holocene.

    * Scientists are not liars, frauds, conspirators, or incompetents, except those at the top of the Klimatariat in every country.

  92. #93 mike
    August 27, 2013

    Hey chek!

    Yr. no. 79 “deniers…insane…bullshit….blah…blah…etc.”

    You know, chek, it’s a real disappointment that wow, your sibling-rival, that mummy always liked best, has “cheked-out” of this blog–the little bug-out, wimp-toid weenie!–and left you as my prime inspiration for hive-abuse rants and tirades.

    Frankly, I resent having to deal, on an “insprational” basis with a zit-spawn, suppurating, horror-story, flatulent-vegan-small-intestine-attached malignant-polyp-growth, like you chek! You know what I mean, guy?

  93. #94 chek
    August 27, 2013

    It just gets more and more tired and old as you have less and less to say li’ll mike. And considering you started with nothing, well you do the math as you’d say.

  94. #95 el gordo
    August 27, 2013

    Another CAO in the South American tropics and I was thinking about the significance in relation to the extended Antarctic ice sheet.

    http://wxmaps.org/pix/sa.00hr.html

  95. #96 Luke
    August 27, 2013

    Mr BBD – please stop clogging the blog and desist – Luke1 is well aware of your issues but they have been dealt with above – you don’t get 3 goes. .

    Chek – well I’m very sorry that nobody here seems to be able to explain the greenhouse effect. I would have thought a quick summary or even treatise would be a mere triviality.

    An unkind person – certainly not me – might you guys were unable to supply such information.

  96. #97 Craig Thomas
    August 27, 2013

    Of course if you really want to impress us you could tell us how the greenhouse effect works at a molecular level. In your own words please.

    I can help you out there, Luke: look up absorption spectroscopy. That will be your first clue.

    Incidentally, will you explain atomic structure to us, in your own words?
    Only, there’s a possibility that I’ve figured out something that all the physicists in the world had missed, but I just want to check things with you first, before I go public.

  97. #98 Craig Thomas
    August 27, 2013

    el gordo
    August 27, 2013

    … I was thinking about the significance ….

    There you go again.

    Of course you weren’t “thinking” about anything.

    It’s a complete mystery what your drivel is all about, but it is universally recognised that “thinking” is not part of the puzzle.

  98. #99 Lotharsson
    August 27, 2013

    Rather disappointing for a blog with such history.

    Feel free to piss off any time you like and find a forum more suitably grateful for your particular “contributions”. Apparently Jo Nova needs more traffic, as someone named Luke has been strongly implying here…

    …but do try to stick the flounce this time.

  99. #100 el gordo
    August 27, 2013

    You’re a good straight man and if I was a wit we would make a great duo. Maintain your quiet rage and frustration, it works well.