August 2013 Open thread

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  1. #1 FrankD
    September 1, 2013

    Jeff:

    Luke’s reply tells us exactly where he is coming from.

    I quite agree Jeff. We all reveal more about ourselves in our posts than we intend, and Luke is no exception. Turns of phrase, repeated typos and so on all reveal something about us (such as obvious sockpuppetry in the case of FreddieKaiBorisBerendaneke). For example, I believe the Climategate releaser has given enough inadvertent clues in his emails to definitively identify him, if the police were interested in pursuing him. People may want to reread his bloviation for semantic clues and see if they can also pin the tail on that donkey.

    Luke expressed the desire a few pages back to see us all “put on diminished performance”. While, conceptually, I think we all knew what he meant without even really thinking about it, semantically, I found this specific phrasing quite unusual – indeed, more interesting by far than anything else he has said here.

    While I can’t guarantee others will find it so, I personally found googling that phrase interesting – the uses I saw of it in the sense Luke meant, I found to be rather instructive.

  2. #2 el gordo
    September 1, 2013

    Adelady the Kosaka and Xie paper is bound to be mentioned in AR5… it essentially says that ENSO is responsible for the hiatus in world temperatures.

    The contrarians are already suggesting that ENSO may have had a significant influence on the warming of late last century. This puts the warmists in an invidious position, as I’m sure you can appreciate.

  3. #3 Lotharsson
    September 1, 2013

    Sheesh, Luke’s not even trying any more (although arguably he never tried very hard in the first place). Complete disregard for valid points made in response to some of his more fatuous claims, asserting “no evidence” when some was linked up thread, repeatedly declining to sketch out what sort of import he attaches to other claims, and now jumping to conclusions about readers (just like he jumps to conclusions about evidence), equating academia with “living high on the hog” which is moronic, and apparently now presuming that repeating unpersuasive and incomplete “arguments” will be more persuasive the sixth time around.

    He started out badly and had only got worse, now doing a stronger and stronger impression of someone with a Tea Party mentality. My bingo card is looking good for the win…

  4. #4 Lotharsson
    September 1, 2013

    The contrarians are already suggesting that ENSO may have had a significant influence on the warming of late last century.

    And other scientists, as previously linked up thread, are quite dubious about that. But in either case, it may not make much difference, except to reduce the pockets of uncertainty about relatively short term behaviour that contrarians can pretend imply uncertainty about the longer term evolution of the climate system.

    This puts the warmists in an invidious position, as I’m sure you can appreciate.

    That appears to be jumping to unwarranted conclusions.

    If ENSO “causes” some warming, and also “causes” some cooling, and on average those two effects pretty much cancel out…then the long term warming isn’t caused by ENSO. I haven’t seen any credible argument that ENSO is responsible for any significant portion of the long term warming trend. (The previous discussion of the recent vs not quite so recent La Ninas vs El Ninos should have given you a hint that that argument is quite challenging to make…)

  5. #5 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Adelady the Kosaka and Xie paper is bound to be mentioned in AR5… it essentially says that ENSO is responsible for the hiatus in world temperatures.

    No it won’t; it is too late for WG1 and no it doesn’t. You haven’t bothered to read the link I provided. Again.

    Why don’t you just shut the fuck up, Gordy? Because your ignorant bullshit and literally endless wrongness is becoming very, very tedious indeed.

  6. #6 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Luke still bollocking on with his Gish Gallop of false claims I see.

    You are fucked, Luke. Tropospheric warming will resume because the laws of physics require that it does and all the desperate denial in the world won’t stop it. And in your heart of hearts, you know it.

    Then God help the deniers and their political allies. The electorate won’t forget who did what in the climate wars.

  7. #7 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    I see that Luke and chums or the Freddiot is still trying to shut down this blog with incessant DOS attacks.

    The behaviour of a loser.

    Someone who has been demolished on the page and now tries to lock everyone out of the conversation.

    Scum.

  8. #8 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    And now *I* am in moderation.

    Oh well.

    :-)

  9. #9 Lotharsson
    September 1, 2013

    All of my comments today have been in moderation. I suspect policy has changed site wide.

  10. #10 Lotharsson
    September 1, 2013

    And ironically that last comment didn’t go into moderation.

    So much for that hypothesis!

  11. #11 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Lotharsson

    Most odd, isn’t it? BTW can you see my #5 (“Luke still…”) and #6 (I see…”)?

  12. #12 chameleon
    September 1, 2013

    Am I?

  13. #13 chameleon
    September 1, 2013

    Yep:-)

  14. #14 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    L – forget #11 – all comments are now showing.

  15. #15 Turboblocke
    September 1, 2013

    I think where Luke blew it big time was with his avatar. It revealed a most peculiar quirk.

  16. #16 Lotharsson
    September 1, 2013

    I see that Luke and chums or the Freddiot is still trying to shut down this blog with incessant DOS attacks.

    I doubt that it’s either of those parties (although you never know). ScienceBlogs has had serious problems on occasion in the past, and over the last couple of days I’ve seen problems loading other ScienceBlogs pages outside of this blog.

  17. #17 Lionel A
    September 1, 2013

    And it looks like the bludging whingers are all living high on academic hog never having worked a hard day in their lives

    You could not be more wrong about that also.

    I would not go so far as to say that you don’t work hard for it is patently obvious that your are working very hard at being an ideologically crippled tosser of a jerk and crap artist out of touch with reality.

  18. #18 Lionel A
    September 1, 2013

    FrankD

    WRT “put on diminished performance” all I see are four hits

    one to couriermail
    two to m news com au
    and one to thegrandstand

    Should I be seeing more?

  19. #19 adelady
    September 1, 2013

    I notice that Luke still doesn’t include in his gotcha list the one outstanding failure of modelling – the Arctic sea ice extent/ area/ volume dropping like a stone so that it’s no longer anywhere within range of the very worst projections based on the standard models.

    Still not entirely sure why that is so. It is a glaring, egregious failure so why doesn’t he mention that? Or perhaps I’m being as silly as he is.

  20. #20 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    #14

    I hope you are right. I’ve only had trouble here though. Other SB blogs fine. Hence my strong suspicion that somebody is playing silly buggers.

  21. #21 Ian Forrester
    September 1, 2013

    Clukoo asks:

    The oceans aren’t acidifying – where’s the empirical evidence?

    It’s in the peer reviewed scientific literature, something which is too complicated for the neuronally challenged deniers.

    A good starting place is here:

    http://eprints.uni-kiel.de/7474/2/Sabine.pdf

  22. #22 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Sadly, Luke denies the very existence of questions about OHC increase, so presumably also the data. Therefore presenting him with referenced rebuttal to one of his Gish of false claims will be fruitless.

    He will cling to his stupid list because it’s all he’s got to fend of a reality that he cannot cope with. But it will get him in the end, along with organised denial in general. Physics and the passage of time will ensure that.

    And when the end comes for organised denial and a frightened, angry public turns on these people, it will be something to see. Bye-bye science-denying right and all the rest of the right who failed to throw the liars out of the nest when they had the chance.

  23. #23 Stu
    September 1, 2013

    Ian! Remember! That’s about becoming less alkaline, not acidification! Our resident practicing scientist Luke told me that those are completely different things, and with his impeccable credentials, how can you dispute him?

  24. #24 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    As expected, no response in 24 hours to yet another straightforward question prompted by an assertion:

    Mate we do our own research on ecophysiological processes and only a bullshitter would not put forward the sheer complexity of issues here.

    I repeat, Which journal(s) do you publish it in?

  25. #25 chek
    September 1, 2013

    The Lukes are only designed to fool dimwits like Gordon.
    Outside that protected environment, they expose themselves as the lying low-lifes they actually are.
    Goddard’s exactly the same.

  26. #26 Luke
    September 1, 2013

    So the bludging Doltoids living high on the hog in western comfort but all so very keen to sell us out – the evil little fuckers.

    No answers to my original questions – we’ve had the verballing, it’s a gish gallop, there’s no papers, oh well there might be journal papers, experts aren’t arguing that, oh well maybe there’s some experts arguing but they’re right, straight belief in Santa Claus, personal attack as a diversion.

    Anything but don’t answer the fucking questions.

    Now they can’t defend that ocean has acidified. Bullshit ! Put up the evidence.

    But really the Doltoids are just a bunch of layabout academic communists who’ve never does any real work in their stinking fetid little lives.

    BBD being such a shit father he’d rather play with his personal obsession than spend time with his children. All so typical.”Oh you go sonny …”

  27. #27 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    So instead of an answer to #22 we get this:

    BBD being such a shit father he’d rather play with his personal obsession than spend time with his children.”

    Nasty! And untrue! Most of my commenting is done after my child (singular) is in bed! As now! Popping out the odd response during the day isn’t hard and takes no time. Hardly makes me a crap dad!

    What a loathsome shit you are, Luke!

    * * *

    (1) models invalidated as far as replicating GMT

    Silly binary logic ignoring influence of transient variability in OHC on tropospheric warming in the single instance of climate running on the Real Earth model! Will look stoopid when tropospheric warming resumes!

    (2) no trop hotspot

    False claim – goes beyond the data into polemical assertion.

    (3) evap trend the wrong direction

    And what might cause a global change in surface wind speed? How does this invalidate the standard position on AGW? Clue: it doesn’t.

    (4) no consensus on any trends in tropical cyclones

    Give it time.

    (5) unexplained centennial internal GCM variability

    So what, see paleoclimate behaviour! See Hansen and just about everybody else. False framing – models are not the primary source of concern.

    (6) multi-model mean projection simply bogus

    False claim.

    (7) GCM models subject to major architectural precision errors.

    Gross exaggeration and red herring that was dealt with pages ago. Never did see you in comments at Stoat. Seems you are a hypocrite!

    (8) no evidence of ocean change in acidity

    False claim contradicted by observations.

    (9) obsession and bias in research that any AGW will be bad for all ecosystems

    False claim. Polemic.

    (10) Deltoidians hypocritical wealth redistributors yet living high on the hog in the full western lifestyle

    Oh FFS. Polemic. And stupid.

  28. #28 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    So let’s have an straight answer out of you, for once, Luke!

    Mate we do our own research on ecophysiological processes and only a bullshitter would not put forward the sheer complexity of issues here.

    I repeat, which journal(s) do you publish it in?

    Of course we both know that this is just another self-aggrandising lie, like your claim to be a “working scientist”.

    But this rhetoric is all you have. And you wonder why you are mocked.

  29. #29 Luke
    September 1, 2013

    ” Popping out the odd response during the day isn’t hard and takes no time. ” No you’re camped out here you obsessed zombie. Get a life.

    “Now off you go sonny – Daddy’s blogging like an obsessed fuck, and even though we’re living a comfortable life I’d like to swap that for sub-Saharan Africa. Now go away as Daddy is saving the planet. Hope you grow up OK – you might even get a bludge job like Daddy and then lecture the rest of humanity”

    NOT A SINGLE ANSWER you lying cunt. No how about you try.

    And nothing on ocean acidification – where’s the empircal measurements.

  30. #30 Lionel A
    September 1, 2013

    Luke is now best only spoken of in passing and otherwise ignored. He has totally lost any respect he may have started with by not answering direct questions way up thread and long before he asked his ill-founded, ill shaped and sometimes incoherent and vague at that punts.

    He is the real loser here, he lost it long ago. This is not a personal attack just stating the facts as can be found by inspection of this thread.

  31. #31 chek
    September 1, 2013

    Fascinating, the Lukes @ #24, absolutely fascinating.
    I had no idea any one person could be compiled from so many different types of shit.

    With you as Gordon’s go-to intellectual back up, how can the No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics Party but fail to bomb spectacularly. But I hope you kept your receipts. I hear Rove is still trying to explain his own massively expensive fail to his (ex) backers.

  32. #32 chek
    September 1, 2013

    Two comments in moderation while The Lukes get a free pass? WTF?

  33. #33 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    And nothing on ocean acidification – where’s the empircal measurements.

    Read the recent thread, Luke!

    Lying, again. One of your stalwarts, too! [Whining tone:] “Nobody answers my questions”. Bollocks, Luke!

    No you’re camped out here you obsessed zombie. Get a life.

    It’s dark here, Luke! 22:35. Child long since in bed. But you are posting in the daylight! You are a hypocrite, Luke!

    And an increasingly ridiculous, even clownish figure here!

    :-)

  34. #34 Luke
    September 1, 2013

    Lionel A ducks it – can’t answer the questions.

    As for Stoat’s withering defence on reproduceability, more perceptive commentators said its a growing problem that the climate community is becoming increasingly aware of. And fancy the journal obsessed BBD quoting a green blogger as source. Wreally !

  35. #35 el gordo
    September 1, 2013

    ‘…somebody is playing silly buggers.’

    I assumed its Tim, we have no new fred for September.

  36. #36 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Two comments in moderation at this point, not sure why.

  37. #37 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Greg Laden on ScienceBlogs DOS

    It seems my suspicions were not unfounded! But who would do such a thing? And why?

    :-)

  38. #38 el gordo
    September 1, 2013

    ‘Stabilizing the level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would require more than 90 percent of the energy we consume to come from carbon-free sources like nuclear, wind, or solar. Policymakers often discuss reducing annual emissions by 80 percent from 1990 levels. But emissions today are already more than 45 percent higher than in 1990, so that higher level implies a need to cut by more than 90 percent from today’s levels.

    ‘Put another way, in round numbers, we could keep at most 10 percent of our current energy supply, and 90 percent or more would have to be replaced with a carbon-free alternative. Today, about 10 percent of the energy that we consume globally comes from carbon-free sources — leaving a long way to go.’

    Roger Pielke Jr

  39. #39 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    The argueing of Lotharsson, BBD and other greenpiss activists on leper island of nihilism about the reasons of SB performance shows

    1: that CAGW Doltoid greenpissers have as terrible subterranean knowledge about computers and programs as of “climatology”

    2: are mean, unethical scoundrels because they suspect innocent citizens of criminal acts (cyber attacks on SB) without any evidence

    you greenpissers are really bad and evil underperformers with nasty character traits. Fuck off from this blog.

  40. #40 Boris
    September 1, 2013

    The argueing of Lotharsson, BBD and other greenpiss activists on leper island of nihilism about the reasons of SB performance shows

    1: that CAGW Doltoid greenpissers have as terrible subterranean knowledge about computers and programs as of “climatology”

    2: are mean, unethical scoundrels because they suspect innocent citizens of criminal acts (cyber attacks on SB) without any evidence

    you greenpissers are really bad and evil underperformers with nasty character traits. Fuck off from this blog.

  41. #41 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Test1

  42. #42 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Test2

  43. #43 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Test3, sorry

  44. #44 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Still connection problem

  45. #45 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Can anybody call IT at science blogs to repair the server

  46. #46 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Test4

  47. #47 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    still no connection, sorry

  48. #48 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    Funny how the other lot is getting through. Makes one wonder.

  49. #49 el gordo
    September 1, 2013

    I think its confirmed, Boris and Beren are one and the same.

  50. #50 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    I guess that Boris just copied my text to create irrutation.

  51. #51 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    A Sherlock Award for Gordy!

    Now add in Kai and Freddy!

  52. #52 chek
    September 1, 2013

    It seems my suspicions were not unfounded! But who would do such a thing? And why?

    There was a similar incident (before NG assumed ownership of SB) some years ago when DOS attacks were emanating from Turkey, of all places. The management at the time instituted blocking of IP ranges which unfortunately included those of several UK based ISPs for several weeks.

    As to who or why – well, I don’t know that any nutter blogs were affected, just Science blogs.

  53. #53 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    A Sherlock Award for Gordy!

    Now add in Kai and Freddy!

  54. #54 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    “This is our blog now”

    Well, if at first you fail miserably, try DOS!

  55. #55 chek
    September 1, 2013

    I guess that Boris just copied my text to create irrutation.(sic)

    Yeah, a moron might buy that. Keep racking that braincell genius.

  56. #56 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Did you see BBD, how easy it was to copy a “comment” of yours, moron

  57. #57 Karen
    September 1, 2013

    barnturds grandiloquence fail……….lol

    “chemical sequeæ”

    “You are confabulating. An increse in ocean acidity has different physical and chemical sequeæ compared to an increase in atmospheric carbon disoxide concentration.”

    LOL……..that was barnturd trying to look smart, :)

    chemical sequeæ……………. :)

    disoxide concentration………… :)

    She said it TWICE, crawl back down your hole barnturd, nuffie

  58. #58 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    And nothing on ocean acidification – where’s the empircal measurements.

    Read the recent thread, Luke!

    Lying, again. One of your stalwarts, too! [Whining tone:] “Nobody answers my questions”. Bollocks, Luke!

    No you’re camped out here you obsessed zombie. Get a life.

    It’s dark here, Luke! 22:35. Child long since in bed. But you are posting in the daylight! You are a hypocrite, Luke!

    And an increasingly ridiculous, even clownish figure here!

  59. #59 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Sadly, Luke denies the very existence of questions about OHC increase, so presumably also the data. Therefore presenting him with referenced rebuttal to one of his Gish of false claims will be fruitless.

    He will cling to his stupid list because it’s all he’s got to fend of a reality that he cannot cope with. But it will get him in the end, along with organised denial in general. Physics and the passage of time will ensure that.

    And when the end comes for organised denial and a frightened, angry public turns on these people, it will be something to see. Bye-bye science-denying right and all the rest of the right who failed to throw the liars out of the nest when they had the chance.

    ——–

  60. #60 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    Sorry, Luke, I only took the role of BBD for a second to show this moron how easy it is to take the role of a greenpiss activist. Maybe his mental capacities are not sufficient to understand this.

    All: … it’s Lotharsson!

  61. #61 Berendaneke
    September 1, 2013

    two more comments in moderation, WTF

  62. #62 Karen
    September 1, 2013

    barnturd you are such a wanker….lol

    Just look at the nuffie trying to impress everybody with a crack at grandiloquence.

    “You are confabulating. An increase in ocean acidity has different physical and chemical sequeæ compared to an increase in atmospheric carbon disoxide concentration.”

    lol …”chemical sequeæ”……….. :) ……….fail

    lol…….”carbon disoxide”………. :) ………fail

    hehehe, barnturd, you really are striving for the biggest clown award at dumtoid………….lol

  63. #63 el gordo
    September 1, 2013

    Loth I came across some of your old associates on the blogosphere, this from IPA at The Daily Trash.

    ‘Just as a historical aside and curiosity, here’s one of the threads in question. Lotharsson stars as himself, with yours truly as Tony of South Yarra. A few other names you might recognise are scaper, Adrian of Nowra (Mobius Ecko), James of Elwood (Ol’ Sancty), Tom of Melbourne, TB Queensland, Min, reb of bangkok(!), and Meta (in various guises, including ‘Discovery, invention, and storytelling’, ‘On the Science of Climate Change’, ‘Chillies Are Hot’, ‘ 1492…’, and ‘Hypothetically Speaking’).’

  64. #64 BBD
    September 1, 2013

    All:

    Barbecue!

    Sausage!

    […] ?

    :-)

  65. #65 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    “Tung & Zhou[2] reported that the “underlying net anthropogenic warming rate has been steady since 1910 at 0.07-0.08°C/decade, with superimposed AMO-related ups and downs ..”. The sharply increased CO2 concentrations of recent decades has not caused warming to accelerate, as was predicted by the models.”

  66. #66 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    Barbecue!

    Sausage!

    CO2!

  67. #67 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    Barbecue!

    Sausage!

    ”chemical sequeæ”……….. :)

    ”carbon disoxide”………. :)

  68. #68 el gordo
    September 2, 2013

    This blog is becoming too unwieldy and September didn’t come, so I may stay at my old haunt until things improve.

    This is an open invitation ….

    http://thedailytrash.wordpress.com/co2-and-you-ii/

  69. #69 Bernard J.
    September 2, 2013

    Seriously KarenMackSunspot? I dash off a hurried post and you’re reduced to anorak nitpicking over a few typos? How rich – especially when you had such a mess of hissy fits after I pointed out that you habitually bungle basic punctuation.

    Ah, of course

    My guess is that you’re just jealous that your truncated education didn’t extend to providing you with an adequately functional adult degree of literacy. I can see why you’d leap at any chance to spit at those who can wield language more adroitly than you yourself are able to wield it.

    Keep at it though, Ol’ Tranny. I’m fascinated by your displays of petulance – on top of those other displays of ignorance, misogyny, coprolalia and ideological blinkeredness. They only go to show that I am getting to you.

  70. #70 jerryg
    September 2, 2013

    “The Daily Trash”? What would inspire one to visit such a place?

  71. #71 el gordo
    September 2, 2013

    “The Daily Trash”? What would inspire one to visit such a place?’

    Its an open thread, where the Deltoid refugees could gather and carry on as if nothing has changed… until things get back to normal here.

    Robustness and colourful language is acceptable.

  72. #72 Lotharsson
    September 2, 2013

    So the bludging Doltoids living high on the hog in western comfort but all so very keen to sell us out – the evil little fuckers.

    No, that’s still bollocks.

    You’re a moron if you think you can determine whether another commenter here is bludging or not. (And if it’s always projection…hmmmm.) And you’re a bigger moron if you think your tactics here aren’t a huge red flag waving above your head saying “I can’t support my position from the evidence so I’m trying to play the man instead”.

    And these and other recent attempted distractions from your very public failures of argument here using the “youse are all hypocrites” tactic rely on the false presumption that one cannot legitimately advocate for a system to achieve certain goals in a better way without first entirely cutting all ties with the system in question – which is just moronic. And again, constitutes a really obvious big red “I can’t support my position from the evidence” flag to most of our readers who are more savvy than you are deceptive.

    But even worse is the presumption embedded in your quote that on these issues, advocating for a better way – e.g. based on standard risk management practices implied by the range of ECS that you yourself gave, practices that you reject without any good reason – is “selling us out” and makes one an “evil little fucker” is completely arse-backwards. The ones selling us out are the ones socialising the costs and privatising the profits by dumping fossil fuel CO2 into the commons of the atmosphere and climate system – and those like your good self who are clearly smart enough to figure out that the evidence for this is good enough to draw that conclusion, should you put your mind to it, but who instead claim the opposite using a battery of highly dubious claims. (Remember, it’s always projection….)

    No wonder you’re running distraction for all you’re worth – it’s probably aimed as much at yourself as anyone else. But all of your frenetic dancing around the point – and flat out lying – and raising “issues” that you falsely try to imply affect this big picture, don’t change this picture in any way.

    …even though we’re living a comfortable life I’d like to swap that for sub-Saharan Africa.

    You really are trying to make yourself look moronic. That’s denialist chum, and not even vaguely plausible denialist chum. It’s Moncktonesque, IIRC. And yet another big red flag…

    Luke, I don’t know why, but you’ve clearly drunk the denialist Kool-Aid. Take a long hard look at your own glaring lack of objectivity. You seem to lack an effective internal filter to keep yourself from typing out stupidity, and you are stubborn enough to reject feedback about your stupidity from other sources.

  73. #74 Lotharsson
    September 2, 2013

    Speaking of ocean acidification, maybe Luke was just trying to get out ahead of this article and the related papers? ;-)

  74. #75 Craig Thomas
    September 2, 2013

    Luke
    September 1, 2013

    And nothing on ocean acidification – where’s the empircal measurements.

    They are exactly where they should be.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2596239/

    http://pubs.usgs.gov/fs/2012/3058/

  75. #76 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    ” I dash off a hurried post and you’re reduced to anorak nitpicking over a few typos?”

    No barnturd, you had two goes at it, it looks like this was maybe your first failure http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2013/08/01/august-2013-open-thread/comment-page-41/#comment-165405

    Followed by this, http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2013/08/01/august-2013-open-thread/comment-page-41/#comment-165407 your second failure at trying to pretend that your IQ is higher than 60…. lol

    ” How rich – especially when you had such a mess of hissy fits after I pointed out that you habitually bungle basic punctuation.”

    lol… I habitually ignore you barnturd.

    “Keep at it though, Ol’ Tranny.”

    Everybody can blame you for me being here barnturd, after a couple of months posting in here I decided to dig my high heels in after you called me a trollop…….you hate being smacked around by a girl, don’t you barnturd…..so, maybe you are the girlieboy !

  76. #77 chameleon
    September 2, 2013

    No doubt this will languish in moderation but it does appear that your new friend Luke (with strange avatars) is correct and that policy makers are asking some serious questions about the ‘hiatus’ and that it has been acknowledged as such?

    http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/us-europe-seek-more-climate-change-data-20130902-2szfi.html
    And yes Karen, Bernard most definitely has a misogynist or sexist streak as evidenced by his pathetic sledging of me a few months ago.

  77. #78 adelady
    September 2, 2013

    DOS. It might be this blog, but my prime contenders would be Respectful Insolence or hofnagle’s denialism blog. They both attract their fair share of interest from a variety of people with frantic bees in their bonnets.

  78. #79 Lotharsson
    September 2, 2013

    …I habitually ignore you barnturd.

    I haven’t seen a more amusing lie here for quite some time!

  79. #80 Jeff Harvey
    September 2, 2013

    “you hate being smacked around by a girl, don’t you barnturd”…

    Problem is, Karen, you are the one being smacked around. Too bad that in your self-righteous haze, you don’t see it. You are an obnoxious clown.

  80. #81 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    Zwally found………..

    During 2003 to 2008, the mass gain of the Antarctic ice sheet from snow accumulation exceeded the mass loss from ice discharge by 49 Gt/yr (2.5% of input), as derived from ICESat laser measurements of elevation change.
    The net gain (86 Gt/yr) over the West Antarctic (WA) and East Antarctic ice sheets (WA and EA) is essentially unchanged from revised results for 1992 to 2001 from ERS radar altimetry.

    http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20120013495_2012013235.pdf

  81. #82 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    “ugust 31 (Day 243) saw the 35th Daily Record of the Year for Antarctic Sea Ice Extent.

    Antarctic Sea Ice Extent is 19.03105 million sq km.”

    http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/35th-daily-record-of-year-for-antarctic-sea-ice-extent/

  82. #83 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    I know that you all were hoping that the prediction/divination for an ice free Arctic in 2013 would prove the syence for y’all, but it seems that the Northwest Passage appears to be closed now.

    (PFL) Prediction Fail List gets looooonger…….. :)

  83. #84 Luke
    September 2, 2013

    So you don’t really have any direct measurements of ocean pH over time. You have models based on assumptions. Such as Science 305, 367 (2004);
    Christopher L. Sabine et al.
    The Oceanic Sink for Anthropogenic CO2 and the all too important methods supplement.

    I wonder what the assumptions and error rates are? hmmmmm

    Lotharsson hope you’ve given all your worldly goods away.

  84. #85 Bernard J.
    September 2, 2013

    Whatever, Ol’ Tranny Trollop. If you can’t understand that sometimes folk are distracted and in a hurry that’s no skin of my nose.

    I’m quite pleased that you and your troll mates stick around, spraying on the walls as you do. Nothing makes you Denialati look more stupid than your own pronouncements here, which are a catalog of air-headed ignorance.

    lol… I habitually ignore you barnturd.

    Oh, the self-parodying irony…

  85. #86 Vince Whirlwind
    September 2, 2013

    It would take a special kind of idiot to suggest that elevated CO2 levels in the atmosphere would fail to cause elevated CO2 levels in the oceans.

    But it takes an altogether other kind of idiot to ignore links that have been provided, eg,
    http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/file/Hawaii+Carbon+Dioxide+Time-Series
    which show, among other things, a time series of CO2 measurements in the ocean which show (unsurprisingly to anybody who understands any amount of chemistry) an increase.

  86. #87 Luke
    September 2, 2013

    Comments stuck in moderation.

    Think we are all affected by DOS attack.

  87. #88 Vince Whirlwind
    September 2, 2013

    As for the Sunspot nutter with its 5-year-old links, how about reading your links to see the size of the error bars…?
    uh-oh….

    How about checking more recent, more precise work…?
    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/Grace/news/grace20121129.html

    Uh-oh……Sunspot-nutter suffers yet another KO. Time to throw in the towel, I think.

  88. #89 Vince Whirlwind
    September 2, 2013

    The NOAA in the USA is collecting pH at 13 sites now, I believe.

    Here is Hawaii, again, with more recent data:
    http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/WHOTS

  89. #90 Vince Whirlwind
    September 2, 2013

    Here’s one in California:
    http://www.pmel.noaa.gov/co2/story/CCE+1

    Seems to show a measurable CO2 increase in just a few years.

  90. #91 Karen
    September 2, 2013

    Twirybird #84

    Dr Ivins, who also coordinated the project, said: “The rate of ice loss from Greenland has increased almost five-fold since the mid-1990s. In contrast, while the regional changes in Antarctic ice over time are sometimes quite striking, the overall balance has remained fairly constant – at least within the certainty of the satellite measurements we have to hand.”

  91. #92 Luke
    September 2, 2013

    Most of my comments stuck in moderation.
    DOS attack.

  92. #93 Karen
    September 2, 2013
  93. #94 BBD
    September 2, 2013

    Luke still blowing hard and absolutely refusing to answer any questions I see.

    Karen “fluffy sock” Sunspot still moronic and insane.

    Chemistry denial still ongoing.

    SciBlogs still under attack. Ho hum.

    BAU.

  94. #95 BBD
    September 2, 2013

    Oh FFS you idiot!!!

    Here’s an up to date pretty picture from VW’s link.

    I know you are far, far too stupid to understand the primary literature, but not even you can *deny* this!

  95. #96 FrankD
    September 2, 2013

    Lionel – sorry for the delay in responding. I saw more, but I tried a few variations on the theme. If you read those links, though, you’ll see what I saw.

    The point is that this term – specifically in the context used – only exists as an administrative punishment for recalcitrant shiny-bums in the Queensland public service, and is probably unknown to any practising scientist, regardless of their employer. The use of the term says much about the user. I found it amusing, and rich with implication. YMMV.

  96. #97 rhwombat
    Dunstanholm
    September 2, 2013

    @#1. Well spotted Frank. Given Luke’s performance on this (until yesterday) unmoderated thread, the inescapable conclusion is that he is a tech, who was ejected from UQ for “diminished performance”, and is now interning at Menzies House while trying to gain a paid spot in the Koch Sucker Circus Ltd. (Oz Science Whore Division). Imagine having him work in one’s own lab (“Hey, Joanne, want to buy some dodgy results? No? What about some credibility?”). He’s just smart enough to realise that he can’t cite his supposed education, publication and institutions without it being bloody obvious that he’s lying about all, or that the academic world in Oz is small enough to identify him fairly easily.
    As far as the other irritants in the longest thread: Fatso remains the credulous drunk in the corner, applauding the pseudo-pre-pubertal tranny and the Freddiot (excellent term BBD), who are both still horking up smelly denier memes like sarcocystic sea lions. The Freddiot was so distressed that he might not be able to shit in the ruins that he took off his Boris sock and sniffed his own finger. Learn to love it Freddiot – it’s all you have. Funny how Cox didn’t hang around long either.

    On the other hand, rebutting the Troll Circus brings out the best in the stalwarts, even in Tim’s absence. I suspect that I speak for legions of lurkers when I congratulate Frank, Loth, TB, BJ, chek, Jeff, adelady, Craig, and the redoubtable BBD for continuing the struggle against the Rupertarian Horde. One day we will all dine on dead Rabbott (even Eli).

  97. #98 BBD
    September 2, 2013

    chek #52

    There was a similar incident (before NG assumed ownership of SB) some years ago when DOS attacks were emanating from Turkey, of all places. The management at the time instituted blocking of IP ranges which unfortunately included those of several UK based ISPs for several weeks.

    Turkey, eh? How interesting. On 17 November 2009, RC was hacked from a server in Turkey and the UEA stolen emails file FOIA.zip uploaded from that location.

    I wonder where the loathsome little shits are this time?

  98. #99 rhwombat
    Dunstanholm
    September 2, 2013

    Forgot to include Lionel & Vince in the honour roll.

  99. #100 chameleon
    September 2, 2013

    In other words your behaviour is rather petty and spiteful.
    People like me are not your enemy.

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