August 2013 Open thread

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  1. #1 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    Did anyone notice that the global temperature hiatus started before the SST cooled ?

    Climate science will advance in Australia now.

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  2. #2 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    Sacking of the Klimatariat is expected shortly.

  3. #3 Stu
    September 8, 2013

    Klimatariat? Oh, Gordo, sweetheart. You worked so long and so hard to sound merely stupid and not a jackass ideologue.

    The mask just slipped. Gordo, DIAFF.

  4. #5 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    I’ll draw up a list Stu.

    In other nooze….

    ‘A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent.

    ‘The rebound from 2012’s record low comes six years after the BBC reported that global warming would leave the Arctic ice-free in summer by 2013.
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    ‘Instead, days before the annual autumn re-freeze is due to begin, an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia’s northern shores.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html#ixzz2eGzzSn9L
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  5. #6 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    Funny that only one greeny won a seat, even funnier is the fact that he lives in a concrete jungle. :)

    The Melbournites must feel very guilty about their wicked ways :)

  6. #7 Stu
    September 8, 2013

    you idiots don’t like to speak about the water, you idiots.

    Oh Freddy, you wordsmith you! Now just take a little time-out and wipe the spittle off your screen, sweetheart.

  7. #8 Stu
    September 8, 2013

    Funny that only one greeny won a seat, even funnier is the fact that he lives in a concrete jungle.

    You have no idea how incoherent and stupid you sound, do you? I don’t even understand what the dire implication is here. Are you saying that it is impossible for people who live in a city to give a shit about the environment?

  8. #9 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    ‘Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month’

    Hmmm…..

  9. #10 Stu
    September 8, 2013

    Conspiracy theories start in 3… 2… 1…

  10. #11 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    They had to organise a team of rewrite subs at short notice.

  11. #12 jerryg
    September 8, 2013

    Another Rosegate piece

  12. #13 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Stu – I have given you citations a number of times before – don’t ask again! OK

    You can sit there and say “lie” but you’ve been quoted but perhaps you were on your knees sucking someone’s dick and missed it. So how about you wipe your watermelon mouth off and start paying attention.

  13. #14 adelady
    September 8, 2013

    A chilly Arctic summer has left nearly a million more square miles of ocean covered with ice than at the same time last year – an increase of 60 per cent

    Somehow they missed the fact that this current year’s ice area, despite “less” melt, is still over a million sq km less than the average for 1979-2008. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/seaice.recent.arctic.png

    And while we’re looking at facts and resources that the reporter failed to notice … look at the bottom four lines on this graphic. No matter what the ice does for the rest of the year, there is no chance of it being within cooee of the average of just the decade of the 2000s, let alone any earlier period. (The relevant numbers, the minimums, are the ones in the furthest right column.)
    https://sites.google.com/site/pettitclimategraphs/sea-ice-area#asiammdpdsb

    And if you want a really clear graphic about Arctic ice volume this one is the clearest. http://iwantsomeproof.com/extimg/siv_september_average_polar_graph.png

  14. #15 Berendaneke
    September 8, 2013

    adlady, old data with different methodology are not allowed, see the hockeystick fraud. You must learn.

  15. #16 adelady
    September 8, 2013

    What old data? What old methodology?

    This is all recent stuff, since 1979 only, satellite only.

    I know some people are doing some interesting stuff with old ice edge maps but none of that is in the standard reports of extent, area and volume of Arctic sea ice.

  16. #17 Jeff Harvey
    September 8, 2013

    “What an amazing amount of utter dogshit. What rot. What tripe. How does a small insignificant action by Australia affect anything except the level of dementia in Jeff’s brain. What utter drivel”

    Gotta love Luke’s level of intellectual discourse. Couldn’t get much lower. Listen Luke, you arrogant little shit, the new government is going to push for environmental deregulation. Like other right wing government, that means eviscerating public constraints in the pursuit of private profit. The results will mean more forests are opened up for clear-cutting, more wetlands will be drained for development, and as a result you will see more local declines and extinctions of native biota. When Reagan came to power in the US, the economy switched from being one with a largely Keynsian approach to a system characterized by free market absolutism and mass deregulation. The result to natural ecosystems was immediate. Logging operations ran amok, wetlands were drained at record rates and the number of species listed as threatened or endangered has increased. Many songbirds in the UShave seen their population decrease by 50% or more since the 1970s. At the same time, wealth became more and more concentrated at the top. By the late 80s we had some of the world’s leading ecologists – Dan Janzen, Edward O. Wilson, Peter Raven, Tom Lovejoy and others – saying that we were headed in the wrong direction and that we were running out of time to get it right. Since that time, if anything we’ve gone in reverse. The Global Ecosystem Assessment laid out the nasty details in 2006, arguing that a full 60% of vital ecosystem services were being used unsustainably. At present, the prognosis for nature is dire, whether you want to believe it or not. Up to 20% of well known species – vascular plants and vertebrates – are threatened with extinction. Pollinator populations are in free-fall across much of the world. Coastal marine ecosystems have been devastated. Jellyfish are now at the top of the food chain in parts of coastal southern European waters. Aquifers across the world are being drained at rates far exceeding their recharge. The consequences of all of this are going to be reflected in economics at some point or other.

    A lot of this has happened because, for some inane reason, the public in much of the west has increasingly embraced far right governments who support and bolster policies that exacerbate these problems. They probably think that more socially minded left wing governments want to take away their SUVs and their comparative luxury when one in nine people in the world receive such little nutrition that their minds are literally wasting away. So many countries in the developed world have embraced right wing governments or else the political right has co-opted the electoral process (as in the USA). In any event, the results have been to see the poverty gap grow ever wider, for corporations to have gotten away with murder, and for nature to have become less of something to protect unless it provides a profit incentive. Heck, that’s what the 1992 Biodiversity Summit in Rio ended up being. More about patenting biodiversity for profit than protecting it.

    You’re just a dumb-ass idiot who thinks he’s smart and clever. Normally I wouldn’t give a moron like you the time of day. But since Deltoid has become the latest stomping ground for fully-fledged idiots like you, wanted to hep retain the balance. About a dozen times you’ve promised to say you’d leave this site only to come back with more vitriolic garbage. Why don’t you keep your promise for once, you arrogant twerp?

  17. #18 Jeff Harvey
    September 8, 2013

    Adelady, excellent points. And one the deniers never mention is ice thickness. The new ice is going to be thin, of course, as it is was retained from last winter. This means that another warm Arctic summer will see it gone again.

  18. #19 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    ‘The results will mean more forests are opened up for clear-cutting, more wetlands will be drained for development, and as a result you will see more local declines and extinctions of native biota.’

    This is most unlikely to happen under Abbott’s watch, he has promised a 15,000 strong green army to keep an eye on environmental management.

  19. #20 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    ‘At present, the prognosis for nature is dire, whether you want to believe it or not.’

    Is this specifically because of AGW?

  20. #21 adelady
    September 8, 2013

    Is this specifically because of AGW?

    No. It’s all about inappropriate and unsustainable use, and expansion of those uses, of land and other resources.

    AGW is just the biggest and baddest of them all – because all countries and processes are affected even if the citizens of any given country are responsible and sensible in the way they manage their own resources, transport, power generation and the like – their agriculture and their coastlines and their water will be affected regardless of what they do.

  21. #22 ianam
    September 8, 2013

    I just realized Gordo is so fucking stupid …

    That seems to be the basic problem with this place … even when you folks notice that you’re arguing with some of the stupidest people on the planet, you then promptly forget it.

    And it’ not just the stupidity … consider Luke, a vile philistinic troglodyte psychopath and all around asshole who he thinks he can maintain that he’s not a denier while rattling off a list of denier talking points. Antarctica is gaining ice and Antarctic sea ice is growing? That verges on Karen/sunspot-level stupidity. Of course the latter is a consequence of AGW and the former is false, but if it weren’t that would be a puzzle, not something that throws AGW into doubt, as Luke would realize if he weren’t bereft of any understanding of science. But really, there’s no reason to care about garbage like Luke and what they think.

  22. #23 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    Developing a greater middle class should reduce biodiversity extinctions, third worlders are appalling in this regard.

    On the other hand, extinctions because of AGW is a no brainer.

  23. #24 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    Antarctic ice is growing because of AGW?

  24. #25 ianam
    September 8, 2013

    This is most unlikely to happen under Abbott’s watch, he has promised

    This is probably the first time that el fuckhead has ever believed a politician’s promise. Oh, wait, he doesn’t really believe it, he’s just a fuckhead. A fuckity fuckity fuckhead. Not worthy of any of our time.

    Now, back to my productive life.

  25. #26 ianam
    September 8, 2013

    Antarctic ice is growing because of AGW?

    You don’t understand the difference between sea and land, do you, moron? You’re too fucking stupid to even grasp that the difference matters. The real question is why you think that, as stupid and ignorant as you obviously are, your beliefs about these things have any relevance. Stupid fuckhead.

  26. #27 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    inaman, can you provide us with the ‘Antarctic is melting’ data ?

  27. #28 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    “I don’t even understand what the dire implication is here. Are you saying that it is impossible for people who live in a city to give a shit about the environment?”

    I would say most of them don’t know what the environment is outside of their concrete, brick and asphalt world, nature is something they see on the telly.

  28. #29 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    ‘You don’t understand the difference between sea and land, do you?’

    Yes, of course. So sea ice is growing because of AGW?

  29. #30 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    How can there be ‘global warming’ if the Antarctic is not melting ?

  30. #31 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    “Some eminent scientists now believe the world is heading for a period of cooling that will not end until the middle of this century – a process that would expose computer forecasts of imminent catastrophic warming as dangerously misleading.”

    “The pause – which has now been accepted as real by every major climate research centre – is important, because the models’ predictions of ever-increasing global temperatures have made many of the world’s economies divert billions of pounds into ‘green’ measures to counter climate change.

    Those predictions now appear gravely flawed.”

    “Only six years ago, the BBC reported that the Arctic would be ice-free in summer by 2013, citing a scientist in the US who claimed this was a ‘conservative’ forecast.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415191/Global-cooling-Arctic-ice-caps-grows-60-global-warming-predictions.html

    so much for fizzic’s …. and apostropheezzz……..lol

  31. #32 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Jeff – that’s the spirit – get angry. Nice rant and heartfelt.

    However what Abbott may do on the environment in terms of land development and forestry are separate issues. In terms of the Great Barrier Reef the Coalition have made certain commitments http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/02/coalition-releases-great-barrier-reef-plan

    However Australians do know we have to pay for maintenance of our national parks – which are still subject to attack by ferals, pest plants and inappropriate fire regimes – this needs need money. A healthy economy is the best way to pay for such things. And don’t assume that I’m in the root it, shoot it and chop it brigade either.

  32. #33 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    “consider Luke, a vile philistinic troglodyte psychopath and all around asshole ‘

    WOW – I really like that – its’ me to a “T”. I have printed it out large for my wall. I like ianam – a highly aggressive little fucker. Quality abuse for a change.

    Moreover – “You still don’t understand what you’re dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility.”

    “You admire it.?”

    “I admire its purity. A survivor… unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality.”

  33. #34 el gordo
    September 8, 2013
  34. #35 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    ‘Quality abuse for a change.’

    :-)

  35. #36 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    bbbbut Jo said that so it’s denier bullshit :)

  36. #37 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    there is nothing quality about inaman

  37. #38 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    …getting the consensus shortcomings sorted is more important.

    Just like it’s more important to correct the “shortcomings” in my understanding of what happens if I crash this here car at 100km/h into that there brick wall than to factor in what we already know, right? Do I die in my car from massive impact injuries, survive the impact but die in my car from the resulting fire, or get “lucky” and merely become quadriplegic by breaking my neck after being ejected through the windscreen?

    Until those “consensus shortcomings” are sorted out, less “important” responses to my suggestion such as “don’t be a fuckwit” and “it can only end badly” and even “ya might wanna do everything ya can to avoid that wall” should be ignored, right?

    Luke, you’re a liar or you are not sufficiently intellectually equipped to be drawing conclusions on these kinds of matters. Your call.

  38. #39 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    This is most unlikely to happen under Abbott’s watch, he has promised a 15,000 strong green army to keep an eye on environmental management.

    Awwwww, your cute faith in Abbott’s ever so robust concern for the environment even in the face of big $$$ to be made and the efficacy of his underfunded promises to do something about CO2 via his “green army” (but not about the general environment) is touching!

    It does, however, explain how you can be “towed around the pond” (to use Luke’s turn of phrase) by politicians and corporate propagandists who butter you up using your own preconceptions. When you’re not actually skeptical, but ever so proud of your skepticism, they will use it against you to make out like bandits at your expense.

  39. #40 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Better give the Deltoids a leg up – dear resident deniers – if they were any good they’d tell you what is happening over Antarctica is complex – a combination of forcing from stratospheric ozone depletion and tropospheric gas increases.

    East Antarctica is gaining ice mass while many glaciers are losing mass. http://www.the-cryosphere.net/7/303/2013/tc-7-303-2013.html

    However the freshening of the ocean is more conducive to seasonal sea ice growth.

    http://www.knmi.nl/cms/mmbase/attachments/112945/ngeo1767.pdf sea ice
    http://psc.apl.washington.edu/zhang/Pubs/Zhang_Antarctic_20-11-2515.pdf

    Additionally the ozone forcing may be antagonistic to the GHG forcing which should be overcome mid-century. Thus a contradictory interim situation may be eventually overcome with net Antarctic melting. A more positive Southern Annular Mode dynamically isolates heat transport to the pole.

  40. #41 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    “Luke, you’re a liar or you are not sufficiently intellectually equipped to be drawing conclusions on these kinds of matters. ”

    Well Lotharsson – never argue with a fool – as the audience may not be able to tell who’s who.

  41. #42 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    and Lotharsson – yes fuck it all – Abbott will develop northern Australia and rush through a few port developments. Kimberley coast may be a battleground – will you be on the barricades with us? Queensland government is rolling back some land clearing controls, wild rivers legislation and grazing leasehold land controls. Lamentable but fucktards want right wing governments so one tries to work within the parameters and save some furniture.

    Overall though I’d be more worried about cats, toads, weeds and crap fire regimes (too hot late season).

  42. #43 chameleon
    September 8, 2013

    That sounds like sour grapes Lotharsson. Very sour indeed.
    It doesn’t matter how you frame it, Australia has voted and Labor & the Greens have been put out into the political wilderness.
    Your summation of the Australian electorate is as creepy as Bernard’s.

  43. #44 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    …if they were any good they’d tell you what is happening over Antarctica is complex…

    Been there, done that – multiple times. (So, apparently I am “any good” according to your criteria.) They simply ignore it, wait a few days or weeks and then make the same bad claims.

    But if I respond to it this time around you’ll probably accuse me of “being towed around the pond” or “swinging at a wide ball”. Double standards, much?

  44. #45 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    …as the audience may not be able to tell who’s who.

    And that says more about the audience than the arguer, which reiterates my point.

    Lamentable but fucktards want right wing governments so one tries to work within the parameters and save some furniture.

    Agreed – on all the issues you mention.

    In contrast, your “consensus issues” undermines efforts to do that on AGW. It doesn’t make any sense – not even politically, where it concedes framing to the ignorati and those that exploit them for gain.

  45. #46 Bernard J.
    September 8, 2013

    Luke.

    You’ve omitted the most obvious difference between the Arctic and Antarctica, which is that the former is a sheet of ice floating on seawater, and the latter is a large continent where most of the ice is plonked on top of the land.

    That has rather a significant impact on how ice dynamics progress, and the more so when atmospheric moisture is affected by the increase in concentration of ‘greenhouse’ gases.

    I actually tried several months ago to repeatedly press KarenMackSunspot and his cronies on this point, but they didn’t want to admit to it. It simply demonstrates that trying to get even basic scientific understanding into the skulls of such as the troglodytes here is more fraught than trying to thread a needle with soggy spaghetti.

    As proof watch Mackulus – he will recycle this Antarctic ice meme again and again, either in ignorance of the physics or ignoring the physics.

  46. #47 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    ‘Awwwww, your cute faith in Abbott’s ever so robust concern for the environment ‘

    Abbott’s 15,000 strong green army is about conservation, not CO2 mitigation.

    Anyway its a waste of taxpayers money and I imagine he’ll start off slowly and see how it goes, then he’ll scrap it. He was very impressed by Conservation Volunteers.

  47. #48 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Lotharsson my problem is that I do want to nail the outliers and that may mean going to war here to do so. Well at least an attempt.

    Bernard J – agreed. However the dichotomy of the ozone and GHG forcing over Antarctica is most interesting. My guy has simulated it and it flips mid-century – OK more correctly GHG forcing increases and ozone hole recover somewhat. (But of course he’d probably tell me anything). Our problem with the Antarctic situation is that it is counter-intuitive and does rely on extrapolating obs with models.

    If they don’t accept that as reasonable – well that’s OK. Their call. A reasonable person would however be interested in SAM behaviour and East Antarctica gaining ice while glaciers losing. Says something.

    SAM also probably affects rainfall and drought in southern and south-western Australia – my personal obsession being drought. Although sub-tropical ridge intensification and SW Indian Ocean phenomenon makes it hard going conceptually. Multiple issues. But worrying trends may reverse as ozone hole recovers. The denailiti will never believe us. I’m not totally convinced myself but who’d listen to me….. blah blah blah

  48. #49 el gordo
    September 8, 2013

    From Luke’s link.

    ‘High-accumulation periods have occurred in the past, specifically during the 1370s and 1610s.’

    Now that is fascinating.

  49. #50 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    Abbott’s 15,000 strong green army is about conservation, not CO2 mitigation.

    Abbott says it’s about climate change. It’s his direct alternative to the “carbon tax” which wasn’t a tax.

    But it’s good to see you admitting that he’s dishonest about it ;-)

  50. #51 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    …my problem is that I do want to nail the outliers…

    There’s nothing wrong – and much right – with wanting to understand more than we currently do. It’s the classic scientific motivation, for one thing.

    However, we already know enough to have a very strong case for concern so wanting to know more shouldn’t dissuade us from strong action, now (if we’re basing our actions in rationality and evidence).

  51. #52 Lionel A
    September 8, 2013

    adelady and your comment here,

    We dodged the Y2K issue – got to work on it in plenty of time and the result was no major problems at all and a few minor problems that only people involved in the industry ever got to hear about.

    I have noted some who claim the Y2K issue was a hoax because nothing bad happened. Knowing the origins of this issue, indeed I worked around it myself in the early 1990s on a project when I recognised the coming problem, and the amount of work involved by those at the coal face that sort of talk makes me cross, but not as cross as I am about the delayers/deniers on climate change.

    I often wonder if dodging the Y2K was a good thing, as a crash then may have taken the heat out of the burgeoning global economy. Maybe somebody with more time and energy on their hands will one day look at this alternative history facet.

  52. #53 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    But alas Lotharsson we have not convinced the populace. nobody with vote for austerity or competitive disadvantage.

    Why I’m bullish on advancing Thorium reactors. Barry Brooks systems analysis has reached same conclusion.

    It’s a tough gig – therefore quality arguments refuting outliers need to be made to save the science furniture under the current state and Federal govts in Australia. Interesting trend
    in yesterday’s elections – bigger swing Tasmania – to LNP but in Queensland no where near as big a swing as voters have tasted the full right wing exposition. In fact most Labor seats retained.

    So you can rail against it all and howl at the moon but some of us are trying to work within the bounds of possibilities and keep going.

  53. #54 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    …we have not convinced the populace.

    I’m not at all sure that’s true. The last survey I saw a solid majority wanted action; the same now seems to be the case in that bastion of denialism, the US. (I haven’t gone looking for multiple surveys though, so it’s possible I’m recalling outliers.)

    However those who are against it are highly vocal and have disproportionate access to media megaphones and this gives the impression that there are more of them than there are.

    I haven’t been following it closely, but last I saw thorium reactors looked a long way from industrial realisation. Is there reason to think that has changed?

    Yeah, I noticed that about QLD. Fool me once…

  54. #55 Lionel A
    September 8, 2013

    News from the Daily Fail and David Rose, oh please do us a favour. Rose is a serial obfuscater who ignores the evidence that Niven presents here .

    You, gordolocks are behaving like a devious little toe-rag.

  55. #56 Turboblocke
    September 8, 2013

    ‘Publication of UN climate change report suggesting global warming caused by humans pushed back to later this month’

    Really? It was always scheduled for 23rd -26th September. When has it been pushed back to? Can’t be any later this month as that would be the weekend.

    Oh silly me… it’s a Daily Mail story.

  56. #57 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    People want action. But for free. It’s unrealistic. It’s faux concern.

  57. #58 Turboblocke
    September 8, 2013

    This what the DM story says: The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was due in October to start publishing its Fifth Assessment Report – a huge three-volume study issued every six or seven years. It will now hold a pre-summit in Stockholm later this month.

    This what the IPCC said at the beginning of the year:
    IPCC WGI-12 and IPCC-36
    Stockholm, Sweden, 23 – 26 September 2013

    Letter of invitation to Focal Points and Ministries of Foreign Affairs
    Letter of invitation to International and other Organizations

    Documents for the 12th Session of the Working Group I (23 – 26 September 2013)
    WGI-12: Doc. 1 – Provisional Agenda

    Documents for the Thirty-Sixth Session of the IPCC (26 September 2013)
    IPCC-XXXVI/Doc. 1 – Provisional Agenda
    IPCC-XXXVI/Doc. 2 – Draft Report of the 35th Session of the IPCC

    INFORMATION FOR PARTICIPANTS
    Information Note for participants (22 May 2013)

    http://www.ipcc.ch/scripts/_session_template.php?page=_36ipcc.htm#.UixqUdIVauI

  58. #59 mike
    September 8, 2013

    With shrieks the Hive’s
    Best smarty-pants
    Our ears assail
    With crazed-dork rants

    As if beset
    By some nightmare
    Most like to soil
    Their underwear

    So what is it
    That so excites
    This greenshirt bunch
    Of parasites?

    Well, seems a “hitch”
    Has spoiled their fun
    In Oz–High Fives!–
    The good-guys won!

  59. #60 Lotharsson
    September 8, 2013

    People want action. But for free.

    Yes, there is that.

    And they want increased middle class welfare but don’t want tax increases.

  60. #61 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    My guy has simulated it and it flips mid-century

    You utter fucking liar!

    That was a paper that came out of GISS a few years back – Gavin Schmidt was co-author.

    Just fucking unbelievable – in both senses!

    What a tosser you are, Luke.

  61. #62 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Yup. Checked. Luke is pretending that “his guy” is either Drew Shindell or Gavin Schmidt! and cut’n'pasting from their work: Shindell & Schmidt (2004).

    What a lying shitbag you are Luke!!!

    ;-)

  62. #63 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Did you seriously think I wouldn’t catch out out INSTANTLY?

    You stupid little fuck.

  63. #64 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    Oh dear me, my ears are burning !!!

    BBD could you please stop using that filthy language, the wombat fuckers 14 yr old daughter reads this blog !!!

  64. #65 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    Why Antarctic Sea Ice Is the Better Climate Change Indicator

    http://landscapesandcycles.net/antarctic-sea-ice–climate-change-indicator.html

  65. #66 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    It’s not the language that’s shocking here, Karen. It’s the combination of dishonesty and stupidity.

    On which point, your latest comment will no doubt cause you to shoot up in rhw’s daughter’s estimation. Fancy posting a nasty little jibe like that somewhere where the target’s child might see it.

    How unutterably vile you are.

  66. #67 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    #59

    What utter fucking rubbish. Who the fuck is “Jim Steele”? This tripe has never been near a scientific journal because, well, because it is tripe. FFS reference the published literature.

    See Holland & Kwok (2012) Wind-driven trends in Antarctic sea-ice drift.

    Paywalled but press release here.

  67. #68 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    No what I said was true and yes I know about Shindell and Schimdt (and Solomon). I don’t care if you believe me or not actually.

  68. #69 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    #53

    :-)

  69. #70 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    There goe’s BBD, cherry picking again !!

  70. #71 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    #62

    That’s good, because I don’t. You are a lying sack of shit, Luke, and I’ve caught you out yet again!

    You don’t have the chops for this. You must have realised that by now.

  71. #72 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    “Our conclusions are of fundamental importance in rectifying
    the failure of present climate models to hindcast the recent
    increase in Antarctic sea ice”

    As I said BBD – eat a dick !

  72. #73 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    All you caught out was your one inch dick in your pants fly.

  73. #74 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Oh dear God you are stupid, Luke. And also curiously confused about Antarctic sea ice extent hindcasting and surface temperature projections.

    Anyway, eat paleoclimate. Deniers always choke on it!

  74. #75 Karen
    September 8, 2013

    one inch eh!!!

    well that will please your fingers, lol

  75. #76 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    #67

    No Luke, I caught you lying about “your guy” – your fantasy modeller/colleague in your fantasy world where instead of a loathsome, lying fuckwit you are a “working scientist”.

    Too funny!

    :-)

  76. #77 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Who hasn’t read the paper? Fucking clown. You’re a stupid fucking galoot mate. A fucking pawn who sits up all night after ignoring his kid all day. You have no influence and no effect on anything. Fuck off and get a life loser. You’re on a backwater blog having no influence on anything. Try to contribute to society instead of being a net sink.

  77. #78 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Actually Luke, do tell me something. In your fantasies about other guys, which one was it? Shindell, or Schmidt?

    I’d love to know!

    :-)

  78. #79 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    My guy did some of the AR5 runs actually.

  79. #80 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Do you think you should be ignoring your child. Tell us where you live so we can send family services around to see what you’re up to.

  80. #81 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Pants on fire!

    You really are the King of the Clowns, Luke!

    Now was it Drew, or Gavin?

    Come on Luke! Out with it!

    ;-)

  81. #82 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    I don’t think you know very much about parenting, Luke! In fact I doubt you’ve had any practical experience at all! Which is why I don’t take your jibes very seriously!

  82. #83 Luke
    September 8, 2013

    Well I think the way you keep talking about it that there’s something going on. How long has the neglect been occurring now?

  83. #84 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Luke, one of the many things I know that you don’t is that people who indulge in self-aggrandising fantasies are driven to do so by profound insecurity about their self-worth.

    Your constant harping on about influence and so forth is a massive tell, along with your various attempts to spin fantasy credentials and fantasy sources in the modelling community.

    You are desperately easy to read, Luke. See – I’m doing it now and I am exactly correct.

    Feel the shame, Luke. Some things can’t even be papered over with a smiley!

  84. #85 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    I don’t keep talking about child neglect Luke. That would be you. Also interesting, no? Problems in your past, perhaps? It would all fit.

  85. #86 Stu
    September 8, 2013

    Ah, excellent. Homophobia, bigotry, misogyny, pathological lying and now threats. What a lovely human being you are, Luke. Truly an asset to your mother’s basement.

  86. #87 Lionel A
    September 8, 2013

    I have just been reading over at Sou’s an excellent take-down of the ever mendacious David Rose and continued on into the spot on ‘Quote of the Week – Anthony Watts himself sums up the scaredy cat deniers at WUWT‘ where there is presented, borrowed from Alternet, the rationale for what we see here from the usual suspects:

    Research suggests that conservatives are, on average, more susceptible to fear than those who identify themselves as liberals. Looking at MRIs of a large sample of young adults last year, researchers at University College London discovered that “greater conservatism was associated with increased volume of the right amygdala”. The amygdala is an ancient brain structure that’s activated during states of fear and anxiety. (The researchers also found that “greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex” – a region in the brain that is believed to help people manage complexity.)

    This thread stands as testament to the truths expressed therein, look at how narrow luke’s questions are and how he flips if he gets a complex answer. el gordolocks just keeps chuntering out the type of baseless factoids discovered in Christmas crackers, demonstrating that he is in turn crackers. He should be proud having turned into a cross between Monckton and Corbyn.

  87. #88 Berendaneke
    September 8, 2013

    I don’t like Gavin Schmidt, because

    1: he is a coward and did not dare to discuss his week “climatology” position with Roy Spencer, who made a by far better impression on the TV audience

    2: Schmitt and GISS spoil the good name of NASA

  88. #89 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Teh Freddiot speaks!

    Spencer is a Creationist and a discredited faker who uses junk models to produce junk results, Freddiot!

    Schmidt is a distinguished climate scientist with an impressive research publication record.

    And you, Freddiot, are a lunatic, sock-puppeting troll!

  89. #90 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    And hey, stupid, fuckwit, troll, you can’t answer this question:

    If GHGs are inefficacious forcings, what physical mechanism caused the PETM?

    You can’t answer it because you are a stupid, fuckwit troll and a physics denier and a know-nothing.

    Why don’t you just fuck off, Freddiot? Seriously. Your shit-headed blethering is just boring these days. So go on nutter, fuck off. You make the place stink of rotting teeth and filthy socks.

  90. #91 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    Sorry about that folks, but sometimes it just needs saying.

  91. #92 Lionel A
    September 8, 2013

    Dankbread, and your:

    I don’t like Gavin Schmidt, because…

    You dupe. Spencer, immediately after Gavin Schmidt leaves, comes right out and waves the ‘poverty kills’ flag. As if anybody thought that it does not! Sorry but Spencer is a ‘slithy tove who did gyre and gimble in the wabe’ (Dodgson):

    Well yes poverty does kill but the truth of the matter is that dirty energy production kills more people than simple poverty. It is the poor who are massively disadvantaged by fossil fuel extraction as anybody aware of what has happened with mountain-top removal will tell you.

    There is more as this The People Living At The End Of The Proposed Keystone XL Pipeline Are Already Sick And Dying from oil production shows.

    Then there is the fact that many more poor people live in the margins around river deltas and other low lying areas as this report warns BBC Misses The Point On Climate Migrants, the BBC may have missed the point but media in the US and Australia would have ignored this completely.

  92. #93 andyuk
    September 8, 2013

    “The researchers also found that “greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex” – a region in the brain that is believed to help people manage complexity.”

    haha the reason why right wing people are simple minded bigots that don’t understand complex problems, and generally get things completely wrong. like cutting carbon tax.

  93. #94 Stu
    September 8, 2013

    Roy Spencer, who made a by far better impression on the TV audience

    Glad you have your priorities straight, Freddy. Lying creationist shill? Who cares! He looks good on TV!

  94. #95 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    It’s endlessly amusing the way these Clowns wave Spencer and Lindzen about as if their ideas had a shred of credibility. The problem for the Clowns is twofold, because wheeling out S&L demonstrates that the Clown itself hasn’t got the slightest clue what it is talking about. Or it would know all about Spencer and Lindzen!

  95. #96 chek
    September 8, 2013

    It’s quite simple, BBD. They decry all figures of authority (Hansen, Mann, Santer etc., etc.), except when they need an authority figure (Linden, Spencer, McIntyre etc., etc.).

    Once you get your head around that, assuming it hasn’t exploded) …

  96. #97 Jeff Harvey
    September 8, 2013

    Freddy/Berendaneke opines, “I don’t like Gavin Schmidt, because”_________________________________

    I’ll fill in the blank.

    1. I am a right wing idiot who believes in unregulated free markets and unlimited corporate profits;
    2. His views on climate science are sensible and I hate common sense;
    3. He speaks for the vast majority of the climate science community when he argues that humans are the main driving force behind AGW while like to believe a few pseudo-scientists on the academic fringe.

    Remember, this the SAME Freddy/Berendaneke who demands that we all show immense respect for all US presidents, irrespective of their foreign policy agendas and the industrial numbers of dead as a result of those agendas.

  97. #98 Berendaneke
    September 8, 2013

    Doltoid dwarfs, look how NOAA and GISS climate scoundrels cheat the public by manipulating original temperature data handed over to the climate scoundrels:

    http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/09/03/the-very-high-price-of-noaanasa-data-tampering/

    Doltoids, don’t waste your energy for searching excuses for your scoundrel brothers, as there no excuses. Do you really like to support these scoundrels?

  98. #99 Berendaneke
    September 8, 2013

    @ Harvey

    your crap

    1. I am a right wing idiot who believes in unregulated free markets and unlimited corporate profits;
    2. His views on climate science are sensible and I hate common sense;
    3. He speaks for the vast majority of the climate science community when he argues that humans are the main driving force behind AGW while like to believe a few pseudo-scientists on the academic fringe.

    Remember, this the SAME Freddy/Berendaneke who demands that we all show immense respect for all US presidents, irrespective of their foreign policy agendas and the industrial numbers of dead as a result of those agendas

    Your crap has to be invalidated due to intolerable idiocy.

    Your conspiration theory that only right-wing political opponents would object your insanities is utter crap, typical for you nutter.

  99. #100 BBD
    September 8, 2013

    So GISTEMP has been tampered with in order to bring it into extremely close agreement with the UAH satellite data curated by outspoken sceptics Roy Spencer and John Christy?!

    And the UK HadCRUT4 dataset has been got at too!

    Who knew!

    :-)