September 2013 Open Thread

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  1. #1 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    It was you bbd, that mentioned that Antarctica was insulated from warming via the circumpolar winds was it not ?

    #63 BBD
    EAIS mass balance gain driven by precipitation (snow) which has increased as a predicted consequence of AGW.

    retard :)

    Explain the problem, Karen. You see, I don’t think there is one. I think you are so abysmally fucking stupid that you simply do not understand why these two facts are compatible.

    Go on. Explain the “problem” as you see it.

    * * *

    Warwick Hughes is a liar, Karen. A blog shill. BoM is the national meteorological service. You appear to be suggesting that BoM is engaged in a conspiracy to misrepresent Australian temperature data to the Australian people. Please confirm that this is indeed what you believe.

  2. #2 Nick
    September 16, 2013

    #99…Warwick Hughes,now? The bloke who has no idea how probabilistic forecasting works….great find,Kaz. Warwick emphasises that ACORN SAT is ‘heavily adjusted’, but does not explain himself or the adjustments or their effect. It’s code for you and your fellow zombies, Kaz [adjusted must = fake]

    Sorry, fool, but the most comprehensive data coverage is ACORN SAT…and hows life in the mid-troposphere?

  3. #3 Karen
    September 16, 2013

    Early on my mother wanted me to take up nursing!
    bbd, do you need a nappy change?

  4. #4 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Explain the problem.

  5. #5 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Please also confirm that you believe that the BoM is engaged in a conspiracy to misrepresent temperature data to the Australian people.

  6. #6 Nick
    September 16, 2013

    #99,#3 For you fool, the GHCN-CAMS data set so beloved of “BOM-buster Hughes” What is it good for? the authors explain:

    “The study here reveals that there are clear biases
    between the observed (e.g., the GHCN + CAMS) MMSAT
    and the existing Reanalysis data sets, such as CDAS/
    Reanalysis I, II and ERA40 data sets, and these differences
    vary with season over the global domain. The primary
    purpose of this work is to generate an observation based
    global monthly land surface air temperature analysis to
    replace the previously used 2 m air temperature fields from
    the NCEP-NCAR global Reanalysis I, which were not
    observation based. The new global land surface air temper-
    ature analysis, together with the CPC global land surface
    precipitation analysis, will be used to derive other land
    surface variables, such as the soil moisture, evaporation,
    runoff, snow accumulation, and snow melt. As a byproduct,
    this monthly mean surface air temperature data set can also
    be applied, with caution, to monitor surface air temperature
    variations over global land routinely or to verify the
    performance of model simulation and prediction.

    My bold…not really intended for the purpose Warwick put it to,surprise,surprise…. and BTW it runs a bit hot around most of Australia compared with those other re-analyses, and BOMs data sets for that matter. So disagreement with ACORN SAT is to be expected.

  7. #7 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    A fresh copy for a fresh page!

    From the Australian Burea of Meteorology

    Australia’s warmest 12-month period on record

    September 2012 to August 2013: the last 12 months

    The past 12 months have been the warmest on record for Australia. The average temperature across Australia for the period 1 September 2012 to 31 August 2013 was 22.92 °C. This is 1.11 °C above the 1961–1990 average, surpassing the previous record of +1.08 °C that occurred between February 2005 and January 2006.

    Temperatures for the calendar year to date (January to August) are also the warmest on record, at 1.13 °C above the long-term average, exceeding the figure set in August 2005, which was Australia’s warmest calendar year on record.

    The record 12-month period has been characterised by widespread heat across Australia. The average temperature has been above average over the entire continent, with no region registering below-average temperatures.

    In the past 12-month period a large number of temperature records have fallen across Australia including:

    * Australia’s hottest summer day on record (7 January)
    * Australia’s warmest winter day on record (31 August)
    * Australia’s hottest month on record (January)
    * Australia’s hottest summer on record
    * Australia’s hottest January to August period on record
    * Australia’s warmest 12-month period on record

    The period ending August 2013 has also resulted in numerous State and Territory records including:

    * The hottest January to August period on record for South Australia and Victoria
    * The warmest winter on record for Victoria
    * The warmest 12-month period on record for South Australia
    * The warmest winter day on record for the Northern Territory

  8. #8 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Is this BoM statement a deliberate misrepresentation designed to hoax the Australian people “Karen”?

    Do you believe that the BoM is engaged in a conspiracy to lie about climate change in Australia to the Australian people?

    Yes or no?

    Answer the question, “Karen”.

  9. #10 Nick
    September 16, 2013

    #9..yeah, pretty ‘funny’ given it’s taken them a year to respond to “the Escalator”, which covers the full record, with a cherry-pick of one lousy decade that still show a warming trend if you disregard its non-climatological status. And they just mimic SkS’ declining sea ice animation which mocks you rejectionists….late to the party and lame, Kaz

  10. #11 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @98 BBD :evil:

    Why does the number of stations matter? Explain.

    I don’t “develop” any “argument” against you and your CAGW illusionist brothers, as your intellect is so far below mine that we don’t speak at equal levels. Not at all, twerp!

    But I am doing with you is

    a: examination of your knowledge level

    b: education, to increase your rudimentary knowledge.

    Alors fuckwit, how many stations in GHCN?? This is an investigation/examination of your tiny knowledge.

    Answer the question, clown :evil:

  11. #12 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    el gordolocks page 12 #18.

    Farage, in social thinking, is somewhere right of David ‘the slick’ Cameron and George (aka Gideon) ‘the smirk’ Osborne in his politics and could not care a fig about the plight of the poor and jobless. So UKIP having got rid of Monckton as science adviser are still distorting the scientific understanding WRT the state of climate across the world.

    Well of course they are, they are another outfit who listen to the likes of Ridley and Rose channelling the GWPF.

    I am not quite sure what else that clip is supposed top show us, that the behaviour of the cryosphere is political, other than in the sense that bad policy decisions are leading to its demise. Nature is neither right, left or centre, political constructs that are so 19th century anyway. Civilisation will not continue unless we recognise that and also that WE, humanity, are not outside of nature but very much embedded in it.

    What you and your ilk do not seem to grasp is that if we continue emitting ever more volumes of GHGs, polluting the limnic systems and oceans, destroying the ability of the natural world to continue with its beneficial services by fragmentation and monoculture backed up with excessive use of herbicides, fungicides [1], pesticides and fertilisers then a crash is bound to come and sooner than most sem to appreciate.

    After all, we must keep up with the Jonses and have that new gizmo made of materials being stripped from fragile ecosystems e.g.

    Now here is an excellent round-up of the recent attempts to lie to people using the MM, as Joe Romm would advise, have your head vise ready before clicking on the links to BS from Rose, Christy, Spencer, Montford (and no I am not going to pay money to this gang of highwaymen just to read the rest of the tripe, especially after that awful banner with one of Australia archetypal fat cats so prominently featured), Ridley and Lomborg.

    We see some of the nuts, take that anyway you want, that have been feeding our trolls.

    [1] have you any idea how important the fungi in good productive soil is? Cue another idiot fact free tirade from Luke.

  12. #13 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @10 utter intellectual dirt from a primitive leper islander:

    #9..yeah, pretty ‘funny’ given it’s taken them a year to respond to “the Escalator”, which covers the full record, with a cherry-pick of one lousy decade that still show a warming trend if you disregard its non-climatological status. And they just mimic SkS’ declining sea ice animation which mocks you rejectionists….late to the party and lame, Kaz

    Fuq off here you ill troll :evil: :evil:

    Your blasphemis is untolerable!!!!!

  13. #14 Luke
    September 16, 2013

    Nope labile soil carbon is good shit. Don’t verbal me cunt.

  14. #15 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    From the village idiot:

    Answer the question how many temperature stations are covered in the GHCN database? You will see that you are totally unable to answer this simple question.

    Stop it, my sides are hurting. If I did answer your question you would not be able to understand the complex reply. This is clear by you posing such a stupid, simplistic, question in the first place.

    Your are a star turn oh simple one with your mass emoticon laden struck-out block-pastings,

  15. #16 Luke
    September 16, 2013

    http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol18/iss1/art10/

    Could Payments for Ecosystem Services Create an “Ecosystem Service Curse”?

    “The most prominent examples of such problems include rent seeking, unequal bargaining power of buyers and sellers, volatility of payments, which are all related to the quality of institutions.”

    Yes fucking indeedy do.

  16. #17 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    Your blasphemis is untolerable!!!!!

    Stop! Stop! Stop!

    (See I can repeat stuff to)

    you are such a hoot.

    Is English your first, or only, language?

    Just asking a simple question. Do you understand that question?

  17. #18 Luke
    September 16, 2013

    Three types of inefficiency can arise with rent seeking. First,
    resources are devoted to lobbying government rather than
    to productive activities. Second, interest groups may actually
    seek additional regulations if the expected benefits from
    such regulations exceed expected benefits in the absence
    of regulation (Runge 1992). Third, rent seeking and other
    political considerations may distort the distribution of
    payments in ways that address political objectives at the
    expense of environmental objectives. For example, Wu et
    al. (2003) demonstrated that in the case of stream habitat
    conservation, use of politically palatable allocation criteria
    may lead to the lowest possible benefits to society.

  18. #19 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @12 Lionel eco bullshit clown :evil:

    What utterly insane eco bullshit:

    Civilisation will not continue unless we recognise that and also that WE, humanity, are not outside of nature but very much embedded in it

    YOU KNOW NOTHING, FUVKWIT. YOUR STANCE OF DISGUSTING DECADENCE IN UNTOLERABLE ARROGANCE. YOU ARE EXTREMELY UNETHICAL AND IMMORAL, clown :evil:

  19. #20 bill
    September 16, 2013

    And, dipshit, how does your little cut-and-paste that relate to ecosystem services?

    Has anyone told you you’re an ignorant prat recently? Because you’re an ignorant prat.

  20. #21 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @15 clown :evil:

    The question:

    “Answer the question how many temperature stations are covered in the GHCN database? You will see that you are totally unable to answer this simple question”

    required as answer A NUMBER (eg 200)

    UNDERSTOOD, CLOWN

    NOT A COMPLICATED LEPER ISLAND BULLSHIT!!!!

  21. #22 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    Luke, don’t blame the idea for any poor implementation of policy which fails to address such concerns as these, from the same abstract.

    …such systems should be carefully designed paying particular attention to distribution of property rights and transparency, decentralization of revenues, and capacity building to ensure further development opportunities.

    Now I wonder what point you were trying to make by excluding that section.

    Now, any more of the use from you of the Anglo Saxon for a female reproductive organ will ensure that I return to only mentioning you in passing as it is patently clear that your vocabulary is somewhat impoverished.

  22. #23 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Still refusing to develop your argument, Berenwanker? Nobody is going to engage with you until you do.

    - So get off your intellectual arse and do some fucking work. TELL US why the number of stations matters.

    And:

    - Satellite data are not derived from thermometers on the ground. So when the satellite data are in close agreement with the surface data, what can we conclude about the reliability of the surface data?

    Come on you lazy and stupid fucking troll. Do some work.

  23. #24 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Oh fuck off, Luke. Your cutnpaste posturing has been shown up endlessly as hollow. We all know you know nothing. You fool nobody by irritate everyone. So – fuck off.

  24. #25 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @20 primitive twerp :evil:

    it’s not cut-and-paste

    IT IS COPY PASTE, you twerp idiot. Learn something, twerp :evil:

  25. #26 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    BBD is not able to answer the question
    :lol: :lol:

    BBD is not able to answer the question
    :lol: :lol:

    BBD is not able to answer the question
    :lol: :lol:

    BBD is not able to answer the question
    :lol: :lol:

  26. #27 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    I don’t “develop” any “argument” against you and your CAGW illusionist brothers, as your intellect is so far below mine that we don’t speak at equal levels. Not at all, twerp!

    Actually, you are a fucking moron. I am not. Get it straight, troll.

    And answer those questions.

  27. #28 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    No, BBD *refuses* to answer the question *until* the fucking troll develops its argument and explains:

    - Why the number of stations matters

    And

    - Satellite data are not derived from thermometers on the ground. So when the satellite data are in close agreement with the surface data, what can we conclude about the reliability of the surface data?

  28. #29 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Come on, troll. Answer the fucking questions. You’re the one making a big deal out of station numbers, so you *must* have a reason. What is it?

    Not that it will make any difference to the fact that the surface data are validated by the satellite TLT data…

  29. #30 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Could you be so insane and pigshit-stupid that you don’t even understand this yet, despite all the effort that has gone into explaining it to you?

    Can you be that thick, maggot?

  30. #31 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    BBD is too stupit to answer the question
    :evil: :evil: :evil:

    BBD is too stupit to answer the question
    :evil: :evil: :evil:

    BBD is too stupit to answer the question
    :evil: :evil: :evil:

    BBD is too stupit to answer the question
    :evil: :evil: :evil:

    BBD is too stupit to answer the question
    :evil: :evil: :evil:

  31. #32 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    I nearly sprayed stuff over the monitor when I read the hypothesis based on ignorance seen when freddy tried to explain a supposed increase in ‘Antarctic iceshields’ in his

    page 12 #43

    Why don’t you go study some books on climate or even Oceanography such as this one:

    Oceanography (ISE): An Invitation to Marine Science which also happens to be amongst my text books.

    then you will understand why you are wrong freddy.

    Re-think required, or maybe a reprogramming of your circuits for a Mr Data you like you is malfunctioning.

  32. #33 Nick
    September 16, 2013

    #13 you are a hoot, devil sausage Strike Through Boy, and completely transparent. So answer the question: how many stations in GHCN? Then shove each one up your arse.

  33. #34 Lotharsson
    September 16, 2013

    I also wasn’t aware that a question about another commenter would attract a pass or a fail mark,…

    Then you should be.

    The question highlighted the apparent selectiveness with which you apply your criticism, and your response pretending that Luke didn’t say what he actually said demonstrated that the perceived selectiveness is actual.

  34. #35 Lotharsson
    September 16, 2013

    you said….

    I said……

    you said….

    I said……

    you said….

    I said……

    You got even this simple thing wrong, Karen. It started with Stu 2 alleging I said something that I did not say – in other words “I said”.

    And it’s no surprise that you’ll attempt to ridicule the resulting exchange, as we have established that you routinely lie and you’re quite happy for anyone else who agrees with your position to lie.

  35. #36 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Loathsome, are you really “proud” of your pseudo-intellectual logicitis which is worse than leper, clown :evil: :evil:

  36. #37 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Shall we all ignore Berenwanker studiously for a bit and see if he goes away?

    Really ignore. As in blank.

    Shall we try that, since nothing else works and since we all know that trolls die without love?

  37. #38 Luke
    September 16, 2013

    Well BBD – who has become quite the potty mouth – perhaps my boganosity wearing off on you? http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1979/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979

    Seems to indicate not a good match. They are phase shifted which is germane to this debate. Oh dear.

    Now cunt – where’s my climate text list.

  38. #39 Lotharsson
    September 16, 2013

    Shall we all ignore Berenwanker studiously for a bit and see if he goes away?

    What, you mean he’s still posting? ;-)

  39. #40 bill
    September 16, 2013

    You’re still an ignorant twat.

  40. #41 Lotharsson
    September 16, 2013

    As reported earlier, I think, The Australian misled its readers again.

    No doubt we’ll have an equivalently bad example of a government science body media release any day now, right?

  41. #42 Jeff Harvey
    September 16, 2013

    Its a hoot here watching Karen, Luke and Fatso rolling around in the mud trying to decipher exactly what the link between ecology and economics is. Its clear the three of them don’t know diddly squat about the field, have never read up on it and hence have nothing else to do but ridicule it in an attempt to cover up the big blank spot in their heads.

    Its also telling – as I said earlier – that their denial is not confined to AGW. Like I said all along, the deniers cover all environmental bases. There are no environmental problems as far as they are concerned. Its all some left wing conspiracy to create a world government or some such similar shit.

    I’m more than willing to tutor these simpletons as to the relationship between biodiversity, ecosystem functioning and human welfare – but to cover up that big blank spot I alluded to earlier they’ll huff and puff and bluster and try to suggest that they are experts in the field.

    More Dunning-Kruger textbook cases.

  42. #43 adelady
    September 16, 2013

    For example, Wu et al. (2003) demonstrated that in the case of stream habitat conservation, use of politically palatable allocation criteria may lead to the lowest possible benefits to society.

    Funny you should mention stream habitat.

    With a flow up to 9,000 cubic feet per second forecast, only around 5,000 cfs was measured at Isleta dam below Albuquerque. http://planet3.org/2013/09/15/minnow-saves-albuquerque-an-example-of-ecological-services/

    Over the last few years work to save the silvery minnow has built new side channels and habitats north of Albuquerque specifically for the minnow

    The water still rose significantly in the Rio Grande, but the BOR believes the new habitat projects helped slow a lot of the extra flow.

    So restoring a river system to reestablish natural arrangements to promote a healthy native fish population has … resulted in flooding becoming more manageable … and sparing people in a modern city from a flood’s worst effects.

    Save your river, save yourself.

  43. #44 adelady
    September 16, 2013

    The html curse strikes again.

    For example, Wu et al. (2003) demonstrated that in the case of stream habitat conservation, use of politically palatable allocation criteria may lead to the lowest possible benefits to society.

    Funny you should mention stream habitat.

    With a flow up to 9,000 cubic feet per second forecast, only around 5,000 cfs was measured at Isleta dam below Albuquerque.

    Over the last few years work to save the silvery minnow has built new side channels and habitats north of Albuquerque specifically for the minnow

    The water still rose significantly in the Rio Grande, but the BOR believes the new habitat projects helped slow a lot of the extra flow.

    http://planet3.org/2013/09/15/minnow-saves-albuquerque-an-example-of-ecological-services/

    So restoring a river system to reestablish natural arrangements to promote a healthy native fish population has … resulted in flooding becoming more manageable … and sparing people in a modern city from a flood’s worst effects.

    Save your river, save yourself.

  44. #45 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    #38

    The problem with RSS TLT is that it is the outlier. Which is why using it is uninformative going on deceptive. Hence Monckton’s preference for it. And yours.

    I gave you a list of texts. You tried to bluff me with a single link to an online excerpt from a book you haven’t read and I caught you out, again.

    Which redundantly underlines just how much of a dickhead you really are. I repeat – you fool nobody. So why not fuck off? You aren’t achieving anything here except making yourself look worse. What’s the point? We all know you are a chippy inadequate and we all know about the fantasy friends, imaginary library and fake credentials.

    We get the picture very clearly, Luke. Your work here is done.

  45. #46 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    And Luke, RSS isn’t “phase shifted” relative to HadCRUT4, nor is the difference anything like as great as your borked graph shows.

    Try doing it properly. Put everything on a common 1980 – 2010 baseline.

    You really haven’t got a clue, have you?

  46. #47 Lotharsson
    September 16, 2013

    You really haven’t got a clue, have you?

    Well, as someone said:

    We get the picture very clearly, Luke. Your work here is done.

    ;-)

  47. #48 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    BBD according to your religious green-lefty opinion you want to confine mankind to about 1 billion people which could be tolerated by your ridiculous “eco-system services”, right?

    Explain, clown :evil:

  48. #49 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @45 incredible impertence by twerp BBD :evil:

    The problem with RSS TLT is that it is the outlier. Which is why using it is uninformative going on deceptive. Hence Monckton’s preference for it. And yours.
    I gave you a list of texts. You tried to bluff me with a single link to an online excerpt from a book you haven’t read and I caught you out, again.
    Which redundantly underlines just how much of a dickhead you really are. I repeat – you fool nobody. So why not fuck off? You aren’t achieving anything here except making yourself look worse. What’s the point? We all know you are a chippy inadequate and we all know about the fantasy friends, imaginary library and fake credentials

    You should be banned as you shed such a terrible light on your leper island community. Havent you undergone any education, twerp :evil: ????????

  49. #50 chek
    September 16, 2013

    No, Freddyfred – YOU explain where you get your data from.
    AND provide a list of your current medications (for safe handling purposes)

    Failing that, the consensus is to ignore your insane blatherings.

  50. #51 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Let’s just ignore the mad fucker, eh?

    I really don’t think we have any choice at this point.

    Ignore. Blank. Let the troll wither away from lack of love.

    This will work, but only if we all do it together.

  51. #52 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    BBD :evil: and other CAGW leper islanders :evil: :evil: :evil:

    You will be given a few simple weather lessons which will help to understand for the first time what warms and what cools the earth:

    Listen, lesson 1:

    axiom A: the sun warms the earth

    axiom B: the earth cools the earth

    :lol: :lol: :lol.

  52. #53 Jeff Harvey
    September 16, 2013

    “Let’s just ignore the mad fucker, eh?”

    Agreed, BBD. He’s totally crackers; an online psychopath. Even Jonas was rational by comparison. I’ve never encountered such a lunatic online before, and that’s saying a lot.

  53. #54 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    Whether or not that was a weather lesson, and it was not, it was still inane.

    Hint.

    Ask yourself, what is the difference between weather and climate.

  54. #55 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    This means

    @Harvey: truth has defeated Harvey: hurrah

    @BBD: truth has defeated BBD: hurrah

    @chek :evil: : truth has defeated chek: hurrah

    Nevertheless you will undergo climate lessons to reduce your level of idiocy.

  55. #56 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    So, Luke’s vocabulary is still limited to cupid stunts.

  56. #57 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Lionel clown:

    Shut up, pupil, I am the teacher, not you!!!!!!!!!

  57. #58 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    pupil BBD: you were confronted in lesson 1 with two axiomas!

    Were both correct???

    Answer, pupil :evil:

  58. #59 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    #53 Yup. Me neither. Truly, madly barking.

    #54 You too Lionel. Please. Let’s just ignore the foul smell until it goes away.

  59. #60 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Good pre-AR5 run-up article by Dana N here. on the five types of clownshoe denier currently on offer.

  60. #61 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Whoa chek. There’s a terrifying image of Rupes turning into a toad there. You could have warned me. Spilt me horlicks now. On me cords.

    :-)

  61. #62 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Heh – in that case consider yourself lucky I didn’t link to Graham Readfearn’s article here

    The lead photo – now that’s a keyboard and wardrobe killer.

  62. #63 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    BBD pupil :evil:

    The answer you had given to the examination question was completely wrong. Therefore you have to repeat. You will be given 2 hours to try the examination again.

    PS:
    Arctic sea ice has tremendously increased this year and we are expecting global cooling in the next few decades.

  63. #64 pentaxZ
    September 16, 2013

    Ah, jeffieboy, please explain for us simpeltons which is more beneficial for the biodiversity, cold or warm climate? Does the equatorial or the polar regions have more biodiversity?

  64. #65 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    Oh cripes, look who the cat dragged in, a broken camera.

    Whatever, earlier I linked to a useful grouping at SkS of the latest rounds from those trying to mislead their readership, works with the clowns as we can see. If you click on the Andrew Montford Australian link you may be unlucky to get a picture of Abbott appealing to god for inspiration or you may get something quite different.

    No Abbott, your god is down here.

  65. #66 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    #64

    Try to understand the basics Pentax. It’s the rate of climate change that does the damage. Rapid change = extinctions.

    It’s really not that hard to grasp, so do please make the necessary effort.

  66. #67 chek
    September 16, 2013

    It’s truly amazing the phenomenal amount of fuckwitted ignorance and wrong binary thinking PantieZ can pack into a seemingly simple question.

  67. #68 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    #65 Bloody hell Lionel. First chek strikes with his frankly hideous Rupes toad-a-morph shot and now you pile on with the Queen of Darkness. This either side of supper. The pair of you are downright irresponsible. I hate to admit it, but perhaps Luke is right and he is gradually coarsening all our sensibilities.

  68. #69 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Silly me – I was forgetting Lomborg’s been activated so here come his PantieZ et al fanbois.

  69. #70 chek
    September 16, 2013

    the Queen of Darkness

    I suspect that’s a photo of the Aztec-style removal of her own heart.

  70. #71 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Now there’s an idea. Sod the Nuremberg-style trials for crimes against the species and pass the obsidian knife.

  71. #72 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Oops! Now Betty will pop out of the ether and bleat forevermore about child deniers and sacrificial altars dripping with tar.

  72. #73 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    There’s a neat evisceration of Lomborg’s latest lying graph at Wottsupwiththatblog. Very highly recommended blog btw and no, I don’t know the proprietor!

  73. #74 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    I suspect that’s a photo of the Aztec-style removal of her own heart.

    Nah! They are still looking, but about to call off the search.

  74. #75 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    The “‘Ecosystem services” is an incredibly stupid trial of decadent eco fundamentalists to misuse nature for their egoistic purposes.

    :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

  75. #76 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    ++++++++ BREAKING NEWS +++++++++++ BREAKING NEWS +++++++++++ BREAKING NEWS +++++++++

    Later this month, a long-awaited event that last happened in 2007 will recur. Like a returning comet, it will be taken to portend ominous happenings. I refer to the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) “fifth assessment report,” part of which will be published on Sept. 27.

    There have already been leaks from this 31-page document, which summarizes 1,914 pages of scientific discussion, but thanks to a senior climate scientist, we had a glimpse of the key prediction at the heart of the document. The big news is that, for the first time since these reports started coming out in 1990, the new one dials back the alarm. It states that the temperature rise we can expect as a result of man-made emissions of carbon dioxide is lower than the IPPC thought in 2007.

    ++++++++ BREAKING NEWS +++++++++++ BREAKING NEWS +++++++++++ BREAKING NEWS +++++++++

  76. #77 chek
    September 16, 2013

    What I don’t get is what Lomborg, Christie, Spencer and assorted pre-release leaking vermin think they’re achieving.

    By next week all their assorted misrepresentations will be laid bare and the focus will be on the actual report and its lead authors. The science peanut gallery will be ignored, at least until their next desperate stunt.

  77. #78 pentaxZ
    September 16, 2013

    bbd, I didn’t ask you, you stupid zealot. But ok, I’ll reply: where is the evidence for this putative extinction? Oh wait, is it as with the 50 000 000 climate refugees 2012 as the goracle predicted and of which no one has seen a single one? Moving goal posts doesn’t make your case. Although it’s a well known, common and unique CAGW trade.

    What’s so special about the rate? Nothing it seems. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpfMM3bVbhQ

  78. #79 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    # 78 It’s a public forum, fuckwit.

    where is the evidence for this putative extinction?

    Paleontology/paleoclimate. Try the End-Permian for starters. Google “anoxic ocean events”. Do some fucking work you lazy, ignorant arse.

    Get a clue.

  79. #80 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Nothing it seems

    …to an uneducated, bullet-point factoid, know-nothing clownshoe.

    Best try to keep these sweeping statements in their proper perspective, eh PantieZ?

  80. #81 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    Tell me Pentax, how do you think the ecosystem will respond to a rapid warming that exceeds maximum Holocene temperatures by the end of this century? Everything fine, hunky-dory? Or mass extinctions as myriads of organisms are pushed out of their thermal tolerances and entire food webs collapse?

    Just how profoundly fucking stupid are you?

  81. #82 BBD
    September 16, 2013

    chek

    I cannot tell you how fed up I am getting with the plankton that infest this site. All ignorant, all cocksure, all dishonest, all so agonisingly wrong about everything yet all too fucking lazy to crack a book and fill in some of the abysm of ignorance inside their festering little minds.

    What the fuck is wrong with these people? Prior to getting embroiled in the climate “debate” I had never encountered such diseased, paranoid, frightened denial in my life. Mendacity, yes, but you expect that when there is money on the table. But the kind of lying that goes on here is in a class of its own for blatancy and childishness. It is half horrifying and half funny. But dear God, if these vermin saw themselves as the rest of us see them, even for a few minutes, they would commit suicide out of self-disgust.

  82. #83 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Just how profoundly fucking stupid are you?

    That’s an easy question.
    Very.
    Very stupid indeed.
    And with no inclination to learn either.
    A particularly toxic combination, only sustainable in an over-energised, fossil-fuel consumer economic bubble..

  83. #84 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Dear distinguished citizens of the Commonwealth of Australia

    I cannot tell you how fed up I am getting with the CAGW plankton that infest this site. All ignorant, all cocksure, all dishonest, all so agonisingly wrong about everything yet all too fucking lazy to crack a book and fill in some of the abysm of ignorance inside their festering little minds.

    What the fuck is wrong with these CAGW people? Prior to getting embroiled in the climate “debate” I had never encountered such diseased, paranoid, frightened denial in my life. Mendacity, yes, but you expect that when there is money on the table. But the kind of lying that goes on here is in a class of its own for blatancy and childishness. It is half horrifying and half funny. But dear God, if these vermin saw themselves as the rest of us see them, even for a few minutes, they would commit suicide out of self-disgust.

  84. #85 chek
    September 16, 2013

    I hear you loud’n'clear BBD.
    But you care, so what else you gonna do?
    It is dispiriting at times the sheer volume of shi- ite – but one of the things that communities are for (even virtual ones) is to let us all know we’re not alone in taking a stand.

    Even if it seems wiping our bookmarks and putting it all behind us seems at times a welcome prospect, let’s not forget that people like Jeff put their name out there and take ten times the amount of personally directed shit as well as the daily bulk deliveries of stupid we get to see.

  85. #86 chek
    September 16, 2013

    I see The Mad Lukes are being as derivative as ever…

  86. #87 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    @BBD fuvkwit :evil:

    Can you PLEASE PEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP YOUR INSANE PALEO CRAP, PALEO CCCCRRRRRRAAAAAAPPPPPP

    # 78 It’s a public forum, fuckwit.

    where is the evidence for this putative extinction?

    Paleontology/paleoclimate. Try the End-Permian for starters. Google “anoxic ocean events”. Do some fucking work you lazy, ignorant arse.

    Get a clue.

    BTW, you primitive clown without any knowledge from leper island, I have at least thosand times more poperty than you poor pig blatherskite. You are a negative deviation from god’s creatin. May he forgive you your terrible sins that you must not burn too long in the purgatory, you fuvkqit :evil: :evil:

    My name is Berendaneke and I am cool :cool:, very cool :cool: :cool: :cool:,

    inifinitely cooler :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool: :cool:

    than you evil CAGW clowns :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:

    from leper island of nihilism!

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  87. #88 Jeff Harvey
    September 16, 2013

    “Ah, jeffieboy, please explain for us simpeltons which is more beneficial for the biodiversity, cold or warm climate? Does the equatorial or the polar regions have more biodiversity?”

    Ah, Pentaxdork, here’s your answer. Certainly warm stable climates. But only those that have remained that way for a long period of time. I have said this a million times but I have to repeat it to get it to permeate your 10 inch thick skull: its the rate of change that matters. If temperate biomes – which experience seasonal temperature shifts – were within a century as warm as the tropics then this would generate a mass extinction to end all mass extinctions. You seem to think that a century is long enough for temperate biota to suddenly and miraculously adapt to temperatures well outside of their physiological windows. If that was the case, why are Polar Bears restricted to the Arctic and why can’t we find Boreal Chickadees in Mexico? Shouldn’t Snowshoe Hares be hopping around the southern pine forests of the US? Why aren’t they? In Europe, tell me why Snow Buntings aren’t thriving in the Mediterranean? Here’s why: because species are adapted to specific climate windows. There are all kinds of other factors that determine their breeding and non-breeding distributions. In your myopic world, a rapid shift to a warmer climate will benefit everything. This reflects a piss-poor and profoundly ignorant understanding of science and is pure fantasy. It could only come from someone who knows nothing about ecophysiology.

    Since you, Luke, Gordo, Berendanke, Karen and the other vile scum that has infested this site does not have a clue about such important factors as thermo-neutral zones, local adaptation, and a wealth of other areas that determine ranges and range boundaries, I might as well be speaking to a wall.

    BBD is correct. I have also never encountered such a mentally deranged and diseased group of quacks in my life as the recent bunch that has entered Deltoid. If this is a cross section of the ‘intelligentsia’ on the ‘other side’ then God help humanity.

    There is no debate here about ecosystem services amongst this bunch of warped idiots because not a single one of them even vaguely understands the field of spatial ecology and how this is connected with the material economy. I’d get more sense out of a braying bunch of hyenas. Their tactic – if one can call it that – is simply to spew out vitriol and other shit. The natural economy subsidizes the material economy in a myriad of ways. I’ve explained exactly how, and there’s not been a single cogent response from the morons. Just gibberish. And more gibberish, laced with the old chestnut about green agendas and watermelons.

    I’d like the deranged bunch to explain how they think that nutrients are cycled, and why this is important for primary production. What factors generate and maintain soil fertility. I’d like them to explain how our crops are pollinated. They could go on to explain how they think that humans would fare in a biologically impoverished world. How much do these cots think that natural systems can be paved, plowed, dammed, drained, slashed and burned. hyper eutrophicated, overgrazed, and altered chemically before there are economic consequences. I’d like them to tell me how much the global economy can expand and if they think that there are any ecological limits to material growth.

    I have a pretty good idea of what this lot as ass***** is going to reply. Its not hard to predict.

    Tim really needs to get back to his site before it is destroyed by this sordid bunch of complete idiots. Thanks to this lot its been reduced to life support.

  88. #89 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Jeff, your green insania is unbearable, really.

    You are really only a cheap propagandist of your insane environmentalist obsession.

    Listen, you crap idiot: HUMAN LIFE AND PROGRESS OF HUMAN CIVILIZATION IS ABOUT MASTERING LIFE, I.E. SURVIVAL, WHAT YOU GREEN IDIOTS IN YOUR INSANE DECADENCE AND HATRED AGAINST YOUR OWN SPECIES CANNOT GRASP IN YOUR DEGENERATED BRAINS IS THAT YOUR UNSPEAKABLE DECADENCE IS WITHOUT COMPARISON IN THE HISTORY OF MANKIND. YOU GREEN IDIOTS AAARRRREEE TTTTHHHHEEEE DISEASE OF TODAYS MANKIND.

    YOU AND YOURS ARE SO UNSPEAKABLY STUPIID, PRIMITIVE, IMMORAL, HATEFUL, SOOOOO DISGUSTING THAT I HAVE TO VOMIT FOR SOME HOURS.

    PPPPLLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE FUCK OFF FROM HERE

    LEPER ISLANDERS OF NIHILISM

    NEVER IN MY LIFE HAVE I MEET SUCH CRAP ASSHOLES THAN YOUR CAGW LEPERERS :evil: :evil:

  89. #90 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Jeff, you no idea of biology. Life is adaptation, the art of nature (without spoiled eco idiots like you) to fight for survival. Also HUMANS fight for survival, but this does not interest you, scoundrel, in your hatred against mankind.

    There are powerful agents in society which fiercely fight against your green idiotic delusions of paradise with your pan god gaia.

  90. #91 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Jeff Harvey, utter, insane crap

    There is no debate here about ecosystem services amongst this bunch of warped idiots because not a single one of them even vaguely understands the field of spatial ecology and how this is connected with the material economy. I’d get more sense out of a braying bunch of hyenas. Their tactic – if one can call it that – is simply to spew out vitriol and other shit. The natural economy subsidizes the material economy in a myriad of ways. I’ve explained exactly how, and there’s not been a single cogent response from the morons. Just gibberish. And more gibberish, laced with the old chestnut about green agendas and watermelons

    WHAT INCREDIBLE DIRT YOU CONSTANTLY EXCREMENT HERE!!!!! SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!!

  91. #92 chek
    September 16, 2013

    The other thing to bear in mind BBD is that denialism attracts the most insane vermin whose vainglorious assertion of their existence is really a cry against admittance of their inconsequentiality in the greater scheme of things.

    Not very different from a succession of ever more stunted dwarves behind the curtains in a Wizard of Oz parody.
    But twice as laughable.

  92. #93 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    Jeff, again and again: crap over crap over dirt

    I’d like the deranged bunch to explain how they think that nutrients are cycled, and why this is important for primary production. What factors generate and maintain soil fertility. I’d like them to explain how our crops are pollinated. They could go on to explain how they think that humans would fare in a biologically impoverished world. How much do these cots think that natural systems can be paved, plowed, dammed, drained, slashed and burned. hyper eutrophicated, overgrazed, and altered chemically before there are economic consequences. I’d like them to tell me how much the global economy can expand and if they think that there are any ecological limits to material growth

    YOU HALLUCINATE THAT YOU GREEN LEFTY ECO FUNDAMENTALISTS RESPRESENT SOME ELITE, CLASS WHATEVER: no, no, no, no, no, no, no

    YOU REPRESENT UGLY, MISERABLE LOSERS WHO WANT REVENGE FOR THEIR ROTTEN, DEGENERATED PERSONAL LIVES

  93. #94 Berendaneke
    September 16, 2013

    chek, pure shit from your primitive eco activist brain

    The other thing to bear in mind BBD is that denialism attracts the most insane vermin whose vainglorious assertion of their existence is really a cry against admittance of their inconsequentiality in the greater scheme of things.

    Not very different from a succession of ever more stunted dwarves behind the curtains in a Wizard of Oz parody.
    But twice as laughable

    YOU IDIOT, CHEK, AND YOUR CLIMATE LEPER PEERS ARE LAUGHABLE

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

  94. #95 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Luminous B., would you have any observations to make if you’re in the vicinity?

  95. #96 Jeff Harvey
    September 16, 2013

    How can humans ‘master life’? What is this drivel? Our species is totally and utterly dependent on biodiversity and on conditions that are generated through a stupendous array of biotic interactions that emerge from nature over variable spatial and temporal scales. We DO NOT have the technology to replicate these conditions. End of story. We exist because natural systems permit it. These systems do not exist for the purpose of supporting humanity; instead, our species survives because nature permits it.

    This is a complete and utter fact. There is no argument!!!! If there were no nitrogen fixing bacteria in the soil, we could not survive. With the exception of legumes, plants cannot ‘fix’ their own nitrogen. An array of soil bacteria provide this function. Plants require nitrogen in order to survive. If there were no insect pollinators, we could not survive. Insects are the most important pollinating organisms. If insects disappeared, humans would follow very quickly. There are no ifs and buts.

    We already know that the planet has a reduced capacity to support man. The evidence has been accumulated in many books and in a wide range of scientific journals. This has led to the ow flourishing field of ecological economics. More and more economists are coming around to realize how much our species depends on nature. In 2010, Deutsch Bank economist Pavan Sukdev estimated the cost to the global economy of deforestation every year. His estimate was in the range of tens of billions of dollars, as a result of lost services including flood mitigation, drought prevention and water purification. Costanza’s seminal 1997 paper set the ball rolling.

    No species co-opts more of nature than man. We co-opt 40% of net primary production and over 50% of net freshwater flows. This just further proves how utterly dependent we are on natural subsidies. No other species comes close to this level of co-option.

    Thus far, the level of ‘rebuttal’ – if one can call it that, amongst the idiots here has been not to cite a single example where I am wrong. All I get is a constant stream of accusations of being i league with the green devil, of producing propaganda and the like. This isn’t a debate because these schmucks don’t know anything about the field. So all they can do is come back again and again with the same crap.

    Read Ciostanza’s paper and tell em where I am wrong. I want quantifiable facts, and not merely puerile insults. Read some of Gretchen Daily’s articles and tell me where she is wrong – where he science is flawed. Go through Costanza’s Nature paper and try and find the scientific flaws.

    But of course they can’t. Because they know nothing about it.

  96. #97 Jeff Harvey
    September 16, 2013

    This is the kind of response I get::

    “Jeff, you no idea of biology. Life is adaptation, the art of nature (without spoiled eco idiots like you) to fight for survival”

    This doesn’t even qualify as a bottom-feeding perspective. It is so utterly and brazenly stupid that I don’t want to waste my busy time as a scientist addressing it. Most five year old kids have a better understanding of environmental science than this.

    One thing I will do. I intend to copy-paste this for one of my next scientific lectures. I can’t wait to see how the scientific audience responds. Will there be riotous laughter or will jaws fall to the ground? That’s how pig-ignorant it is. I might as well debate an amoeba.

  97. #98 Lionel A
    September 16, 2013

    Yes! Just up today at Real Climate Paleoclimate: The End of the Holocene.

  98. #99 chek
    September 16, 2013

    Thanks for that Jeff.
    Ther one ting we know for sure is that the knoberati will never independently read a paper or do any self-started research.

    All that they’re good for is indulging their delusions and parroting what they’ve been told to do.

    And that’s it .
    As confirmed every single day here by deniers and their remarkably similar posts.

  99. #100 Luke
    September 16, 2013

    More university wanker ideologue crap from Jeff. Get a real job Jeff. Ecosystem services is a rent-seeking try-on. Excuse us while we get on with useful natural resource management and conservation measures in the real world without recourse for leftie post-modernist drivel and pretend economics.

    So somehow now Jeff has verballed us against pollinators and soil bacteria. Motherhood is next. Fuck off Jeff.