September 2013 Open Thread

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Comments

  1. #1 adelady
    September 21, 2013

    “Or does the truth of it have you so shitting your pants that you can’t even admit to what the graph indicates?”

    Why would it. I followed Bernard’s suggestion and here are the trends I got. 1996-2012. 5 year averages. I’m omitting confidence intervals

    Land/ocean
    GISTEMP 0.126
    NOAA 0.097
    HADCRUT4 0.108
    Land only
    BEST 0.246
    NOAA 0.250
    Satellite
    RSS 0.045
    UAH 0.137

    Where you get 0.00002 from I can’t imagine. If you wanted to cherry pick, all but one of these results could give you a negative answer if you chose to muck about with the confidence intervals that way.

  2. #2 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    adelady

    not familiar with html tags?

  3. #3 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    bernard

    “It is not as accurate in describing surface temperature as are data that are actually recorded at the surface, and it is notorious for errors of measurement on top of that”

    TELL THIS YOUR CRAP BROTHER BBD, THE INSANE CAGW FUCKWIT ASSHOLE!!!!!

  4. #4 Lotharsson
    September 21, 2013

    yOU ARE A DISGUSTING CRETIN BARNTURD. dAMN YOU FOR SHOWING I HAVE NO ARGUMENT.

    go away stop doing that!

    Translated it on Karen’s behalf.

  5. #5 Lotharsson
    September 21, 2013

    not familiar with html tags?

    Says the commenter who is not familiar with the blockquote tag. Good thing I buy irony meters in bulk.

  6. #6 adelady
    September 21, 2013

    not familiar with html tags?

    Never heard of them.

  7. #7 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    “not familiar with html tags?

    Says the commenter who is not familiar with the blockquote tag. Good thing I buy irony meters in bulk”

    says the commenter who does know the difference between cut and paste and copy paste

  8. #8 bill
    September 21, 2013

    Boris/Kai/Freddy/TheBoyChurnedOutTheBurnin’dreck.

    You are one sick individual. Congratulations on managing to stand out as a truly galactic loon on an internet already saturated with loons…

  9. #9 bill
    September 21, 2013

    ‘Cut and Paste’ is an expression left over from the old physical copy days, dork! This sort of pedantry coming from someone with your comic grasp of English has just blown my latest irony meter, and all…

    And, loon, that all of us here can copy paste, whereas you cannot

    do this!

    Pa. Thet. Ic.

  10. #10 Stu 2
    September 21, 2013

    Nick @#96 previous page.
    Still on a slow computer.
    SHL power generating capabilities would NOT have been compromised by holding back the RAR payback water. That is complete rubbish. You seem incapable of understanding that the water releases in question were releases OVER & ABOVE the normal requirements of the system, including SHL power generating capabilities.
    Because it was happening after the system had already filled up downstream it was indeed wasted and it did indeed take away any extra capabilities to mitigate any minor flooding. It was indeed significant amounts of stored water. In total it was over 2000GL that should have remained in Eucumbene for later and much wiser use including, of course, power generation.
    Your opinion of what marohasy should or shouldn’t have done is completely irrelevant to the real problem that developed in 2010/11.
    I repeat: Marohasy did NOT cause the problem, she was not part of the negotiations and if her story embarrassed SHL it’s because there was a reason for them to be embarrassed. They were indeed tipping water onto to the back of a system that was already full. They were doing it because of the anomaly in the licence requirements that they had been soundly warned about.
    That anomaly still exists on the Murray side of the system.
    It has only been partly resolved on the Murrumbidgee side.,

  11. #11 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    bill asshole, what you said to me fits perfectly to yourself and all the CAGW eco lefty sociopaths on leper island of nihilism, but not to me, since I am superior in any dimension that counts. You however are only a mean, vain, envying, fucking. asshole full of green eco shit. Your defeat is a closed case and you morons are even too stupid to catch this tiny truth.

  12. #12 Jeff Harvey
    September 21, 2013

    “CAGW eco lefty sociopaths”

    Freddy, oops, I mean Berendaneke, oops, Boris…

    Look in the mirror. You are the most deranged, disturbed individual I have yet encountered on the internet. Well done for that achievement. Its saying a lot.

    You will soon be booted off here – I will see to that. How else do you think your alter-egos were booted out? Put two and two together, you pathetic loser.

  13. #13 Nick
    September 21, 2013

    #9 Your ‘over and above’ claim needs substantiation. Don’t handwave. “…over and above the normal requirements of the system,including SHL power generating capabilities”…why would SHL do that? Why would they transfer water from Eucumbene to the Tumut side to Tumut 1 in such quantities as it would exceed the drop shaft capacity? Makes no sense. If they did it would simply spill down the river bed bypassing Tumut 1 and 2, and pass the spillway at Tumut 3 as well,filling Jounama pondage and compromising that dams management function. They did transfer water from Tooma dam to Tumut pond to mitigate flooding in the Tooma Valley, but that tunnel capacity is little over 3GL/day. And, again your 2000GL figure is rubbish,and you have made no attempt to reference a figure, or source.

    Your premise is flawed. The perception of the time was that by operating the SH system through the flood days, flooding would be exacerbated. Thus, conforming to that perception, in order to not exacerbate floods SH would have to cease passing any water from Eucumbene or Tooma down the generators,and restrict their activities to managing Jounama and Tumut Pondage,both very small dams that do not have any capacity to buffer the sustained high flows generated from within the Tumut catchment. Blowering is managed by the NSW Water Office. Blowering is the only dam in the Tumut cascade that can theoretically buffer large floods [Talbingo is always at FSL to create generating head for T3], so the entire Tumut catchment above Blowering is effectively unregulated. SHL can do no more than cease Eucumbene transfers which can be no more than about 9GL/day, the Tumut catchment generated huge runoff in record rainfall conditions : NOW is the flood management agency.

    Cumulative net inflow to Blowering from start 1/12 to end 11/12/2010 was 1500GL, almost all generated from within its catchment.

    There was not 2000GL of water in Eucumbene at the time of the floods to waste. It was holding about 1000GL and gained 41 in December 2010.

  14. #14 FrankD
    September 21, 2013

    Shorter Berendaneke:

    I know what you are, but what am I?

    Oooh, burn, Bill! I bet you haven’t been owned like that since Grade four. What zinger will he hit you with, next?

    I am rubber, you are glue, bounces off me and sticks to you.

    What a maroon….

  15. #15 Marco
    September 21, 2013

    Looks like they changed borisfreddykaitroll’s medication again. Must be yet another disappointment: he went back to Boris, but kept the even larger idiocy of Berendaneke.

    I would almost suggest some psychiatrist is using this blog to test out how the medication of the troll is working.

  16. #16 Bernard J.
    September 21, 2013

    Thanks for proving me right KarenMackSunspot.

    You don’t have a clue.

  17. #17 Lionel A
    September 21, 2013

    Karenski #71

    The Australian and Judith Curry in the same post, well FFFS it is becoming clearer with each such article quoting or alluding to Judith Curry that she is now descending rapidly down her spiral of decline as a trusted, straight think or speaking scientist

    She now joins the ranks of those others who have forsaken science for advocacy to lay audiences such Pat Michaels and Richard Lindzen (more on him latter later if I can keep a bad attack of gout at bay). Ever on the ball Sou at HotWhopper nails Curry in two very recent articles:

    Curry and Watts – dejected, rejected

    Wicked messy Judith Curry’s vexing denial of science . Why I am reminded of ‘The Magic Roundabout’?

    and on the ‘down-under’ echo of David Rose’s dissembling there is this Sou article:

    Editing the Environment out of Existence: Graham Lloyd and The Australian tell Big Fat Lies where we find this, a revelation for you Karenski eh:

    The rest of the article is junk. He writes about the incomprehensible comments Judith Curry made to David Rose and what fibs Matt Ridley wrote in the Wall Street Journal plus more on a “forced to deny” garbage.

    Seriously, citing any of those taken to task therein will only lower your reputation further.

  18. #18 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    Marco, you mean your shit text seriously? Really? If yes, then you are an intellectually impaired idiot.

  19. #19 Marco
    September 21, 2013

    Boris, you would not recognize intellect if it hit you in the face repeatedly.

  20. #20 Karen
    September 21, 2013

    #15 barnturd
    “Thanks for proving me right KarenMackSunspot.You don’t have a clue.”

    I would prefer to drink a cup of dogs vomit than to fraternize with you, cretin.

  21. #21 chek
    September 21, 2013

    SpamKan once again proving the axiom that a denier would rather do anything but get their information from a scientist.

  22. #22 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    Keep up the good work, Jeff. Boris needs to go the way of his alter-egos. Banned.

  23. #23 Bernard J.
    September 21, 2013

    I would prefer to drink a cup of dogs vomit than to fraternize with you, cretin.

    I didn’t ask you to fraternise with me.

    I asked you to consider, for any year since 1980, the number of years prior that are required to detect a statistically-significant warming trend.

    I even linked to a graph depicting this very thing.

    You make a claim that the last 15 years of temperature data show that there has been “no warming”, and yet you refuse to explain why your claim is valid when it is considered in the context of the nature of the data. Sure, it’s your prerogative to do so, but in so doing it only demonstrates to the world that you either know that your claim is complete and utter garbage, or that you are so innumerate that you don’t actually understand the subject and the nature of my questions.

    Given that you have already forfeited to me, I will summarise the data – there is nothing unusual about the current period required to identify statistically significant warming – indeed, over all there is a trend to the period becoming shorter. In other words even though there is ongoing, physically-real retention of extra heat in the Earth system, it takes at least eleven years to detect it statistically.

    It was nine months ago when I constructed that graph, but from memory the average interval in my SkS trend calculator exercise was 17 years, which concords with the work of others.

    But keeping on tugging on your old fella KMS. In spite of what your mother might have told you, it won’t fall off – you’ll just continue to look silly doing what you’ve always done.

  24. #24 Bernard J.
    September 21, 2013

    And for what it’s worth, Australians don’t say “fraternize”.

    At least, the ones literate in Queen’s English don’t.

    That clenching feeling in your lower bowel might well be referred pain arising from the repeated doses of lead administered to the region of your metatarsals.

  25. #25 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    @22,23 far exaggerated self-esteem of a chronic loser who cannot master his life.

  26. #26 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    #24

    Now that sound like projection to me!

    BTW, have you figured out how to:

    use quote indents yet, fuckwit?!

  27. #27 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    You know, Bernard, I’m not even sure Sunny actually understands the graph you created. Perhaps his reaction is an attempt to conceal truly abysmal ignorance and stupidty rather than a refusal to acknowledge that it demonstrates that he is spouting very tired denialist bollocks. It’s just a hunch.

  28. #28 johnl
    September 21, 2013

    Tamino writes on Curried Tripe, Watts and Double Standards.

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/double-standard/

  29. #30 chek
    September 21, 2013

    ^ html clutz ^

  30. #31 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    It’s what that Jeff Harvey keeps banging on about! :-)

    Scale.

    Denier hyperfocus on tiny little bits of things instead of being able to see the bigger picture. Like a centennial forced trend overprinted by natural variability.

  31. #32 Jeff Harvey
    September 21, 2013

    BBD, Deniers think that 10m years is a long time, 30 years is a very long time, and that 80 years is eternity. They just cannot get though their collectively thick heads that for systems working at stupendously large scales that all three are a blip in climatological terms. That we are seeing humans force these systems out of short-term equilibrium is nothing short of remarkable – and terrifying.

  32. #33 Jeff Harvey
    September 21, 2013

    I mean 10 years, not 10m! God Forbid!

  33. #34 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    Harvey: That we are seeing humans force these systems out of short-term equilibrium is nothing short of remarkable – and terrifying

    WRONG: WE DON’T SEE THIS, HOWEVER YOU HALLUCINATE THIS. TEMPERATURE MEASUREMENTS DON’T CONFFIRM YOUR IDEOLOGY, FUCKWIT

  34. #35 chek
    September 21, 2013

    lol

  35. #36 bill
    September 21, 2013

    Jeff, if you’re writing to Tim, SpamKan’s well past her ‘sell by’ date, too.

    ‘Fraternize’ is yet another instance of an ‘Aussie’ born on a ranch who ate cookies on her way to elementary school in the pickup truck.

    Whether her claimed origins are an outright lie or she’s another all-too-willing subject of Coca-Colonization I hope to never have the opportunity to find out…

  36. #37 bill
    September 21, 2013

    Boris

    your incompetence is showing!

  37. #38 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    Top one “Boris”!

    Now show us how you do blockquote!

    This I have to see!

    :-) :-) :-)

  38. #39 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    Doltoid fuckwits, among other talents which you mainstreams lack and I dispose of is computer literacy, unimaginable (for you bloody laymen) computer programming capabilities etc. I am able to program a cms something much better like the ill-performing worldpress junk software in less than 2 hours. So you mentally disabled blatherskites without

  39. #40 Nick
    September 21, 2013

    #38….oh, bummer, Boris fell asleep mid-sentence. They must have had to up the dose.

  40. #41 Boris
    September 21, 2013

    Nick, wrong interpretation as always, your low intelligence did not allow the correct interpretation.

  41. #42 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    Jeff

    That we are seeing humans force these systems out of short-term equilibrium is nothing short of remarkable – and terrifying.

    I’m not surprised that some people retreat into denial. It is terrifying. Once properly considered. So best not.

    Clever monkeys digging up fossil sunshine accidentally change the climate? Don’t be ridiculous. Have another scotch.

  42. #43 bill
    September 21, 2013

    Your delusions of grandeur are risible, Boris. Yeah, a buffoon who can’t even

    do this

    can build a CMS to outperform WordPress!

  43. #44 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    Just rock those block… quotes, “Boris”!

    Git down! Yeah! I am

    The blockquote man! Oh yeah! Baby!

    Go for it, Loris!

  44. #45 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    Bill, that’s twice we’ve crossed and that’s enough! Stop thinking faster than me! It’s not fair.

  45. #46 Karen
    September 21, 2013

    “Response: [DB] Improved image width. Bernard, I tried to email you the proper image width code but the message proved undeliverable.” :) did the snow bring down the phone line? lol

    barnturd, what is it with you? every second post of yours refers to one of your prior posts, nobody cares what you have said, you are the only one that loves yourself.

    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1997.33/trend/plot/gistemp/from:2001.33/trend/plot/rss/from:1997/trend/plot/wti/from:2000.9/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1997.1/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2000.9/trend/plot/uah/from:2004.75/trend/plot/esrl-co2/from:1997/normalise/offset:0.34

  46. #47 Karen
    September 21, 2013

    Your delusions of grandeur are risible, barnturd. Yeah, a buffoon

  47. #48 Karen
    September 21, 2013

    Jeff, if you’re writing to Tim, barnturd & flaccid Bill well past their ‘sell by’ date””s, too.

  48. #49 Karen
    September 21, 2013

    Keep up the good work Boris, having a real climate scientist in here to educate the loons is a real bonus :)

  49. #50 Nick
    September 21, 2013

    #48, don’t mock Boris, Kaz, he’s fragile.

  50. #51 chek
    September 21, 2013

    People, I think we should let this dialogue between SpamKan and Boris The One True Climate Scientist continue.
    SpamKan’s WFT confection @ #45 tells me it’s gonna be hilarious.

  51. #52 BBD
    September 21, 2013

    #45

    1/ You haven’t understood Bernard J’s question.

    2/ Your graph is an arpeggio of cherry-picks.

    3/ You still screw up on basic #1:

    The troposphere ≠ the climate system

    Which brings us neatly to 4/.

    4/ Ocean heat content.

    :-)

  52. #53 Karen
    September 21, 2013

    “4/ Ocean heat content.”

    BBD, could you find a temperature chart for the deep ocean for us to have look at?

  53. #54 chek
    September 21, 2013

    Yes, please do BBD.
    SpamKan needs something new to colour in with they’re new crayons.

  54. #55 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    I see on the grapevine that you guyz didn’t get your ice free Arctic that you needed so desperately.,,lol

  55. #56 Bernard J.
    September 22, 2013

    “Response: [DB] Improved image width. Bernard, I tried to email you the proper image width code but the message proved undeliverable.” :) did the snow bring down the phone line?

    No, my email host was down. For about 6 hours, if I remember correctly. It’s instructive though that you look for the least parsimonious scenario posssible – at least you’re consistent that way.

    barnturd, what is it with you? every second post of yours refers to one of your prior posts, nobody cares what you have said, you are the only one that loves yourself.

    Ah, that innumeracy of yours raises its head once more…

    However, here’s an offer. Find someone else who has posted the particular graph that I constructed and I’ll link to that the next time I point out that you are unable to address the implications of the period of time that is required to identify the global warming signal from contemporaneous climate noise

    A for you comment about nobody caring about what I have said, that is easily disproved. I wonder if you can guess how…?
    .

  56. #57 Bernard J.
    September 22, 2013

    “Response: [DB] Improved image width. Bernard, I tried to email you the proper image width code but the message proved undeliverable.” :) did the snow bring down the phone line?

    No, my email host was down. For about 6 hours, if I remember correctly. It’s instructive though that you look for the least parsimonious scenario posssible – at least you’re consistent that way.

    barnturd, what is it with you? every second post of yours refers to one of your prior posts, nobody cares what you have said, you are the only one that loves yourself.

    Ah, that innumeracy of yours raises its head once more…

    However, here’s an offer. Find someone else who has posted the particular graph that I constructed and I’ll link to that the next time I point out that you are unable to address the implications of the period of time that is required to identify the global warming signal from contemporaneous climate noise

    A for you comment about nobody caring about what I have said, that is easily disproved. I wonder if you can guess how…?
    .

  57. #58 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    2012 3410000 sq. klms.

    2013 5100000 sq. klms.

    Proooving the theory that global warming makes more ice?

    :)

  58. #59 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    I notice that you are stammering and stuttering again, cretin.

    “Ah, that innumeracy of yours raises its head once more…”

    yes barnturd, grandiloquence fail on your part AGAIN !

    Out of context, “parsimonious”

  59. #60 chek
    September 22, 2013

    Nah, more like proving the theory that denier morons don’t even understand what AGW is if they really think it can override winter.

  60. #61 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    barnturd,

    From your link http://www.skepticalscience.com/pics/Nuccitelli_Fig1.jpg

    Could you make another chart barnturd, replicate the chart above with Temp C rather than Joules. :)

  61. #62 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #58, proving again that rejectionists never need data to ‘make’ their ‘arguments’…

  62. #63 chek
    September 22, 2013

    #60 and also proving they don’t understand the difference between temperature and heat.

  63. #64 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #60, so joules doesn’t mean anything to you, Kaz? Too bad.

  64. #65 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    “so joules doesn’t mean anything to you, Kaz? ”

    Yes Nickie, indeed, I understand honey :)

  65. #66 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    Tell me something ?

    Duzzz the Argo system measure and transmit the recorded data in Joules ?

  66. #67 chek
    September 22, 2013

    Your question at #60 rather confirms that you most certainly do not understand. Far from it.

  67. #68 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    I can see the little cogs and little gears getting stuck in your head chekie :)

  68. #69 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    Where is the coprophagous barnturd?

  69. #70 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    “National Geographic – 12 December 2007
    “NASA climate scientist Jay Zwally said: “At this rate, the Arctic Ocean could be nearly ice-free at the end of summer by 2012, much faster than previous predictions.”

  70. #71 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    “Sierra Club – March 23, 2013
    “For the record—I do not think that any sea ice will survive this summer. An event unprecedented in human history is today, this very moment, transpiring in the Arctic Ocean….”
    [Paul Beckwith - PhD student paleoclimatology and climatology - part-time professor]“

  71. #72 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    paleoslimatology :)

  72. #73 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #64, bullshit!

  73. #74 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    #72 Nickie, your debating technique is nothing short of awesome sweety ………………….lol

  74. #75 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #73, Oh, you’re debating are you, Kaz? Pardon me. LOL indeed.

  75. #76 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #69,70. Two qualified observers, one offers an “if,then maybe” and the other a prediction [wrong], based on regional climate and the observed and uncontradictable evidence of a downward trend in sea ice cover. The trend has not changed, nor the underlying factors , just the timing of an ice free summer is not known to precision.

    Meanwhile,you, Kaz, believe against the evidence that the globe is cooling [while posting data that shows it isn't], choose one data point as evidence of a ‘recovery’ and an inflexion point in the trend [absurd, but that's you], have a documented string of comprehension failures that are lead in your saddlebags…and now you think you are ‘debating’?!

  76. #77 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    #74 Nickie,

    No I suppose not, schooling may be the more appropriate phrase ………

  77. #79 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #76 Now you think you’re schooling ?! … and ‘schooling’ is a phrase? ROFL … that’s a pretty deep hole you been ‘schooling’ for yourself, Kazzie.

  78. #80 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #77, you posted that cherry pick just upthread, Kaz. Now you’re twice as stupid. Hint: don’t double up the dumbness.

  79. #81 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    “that’s a pretty deep hole”

    sorry!

    I forgot I wasn’t wearing knickers :(

  80. #82 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    Soooo Nickie, can you link me to an Argo temperature chart that demonstrates the warming at 2000 mtrs below the sea surface ?

  81. #83 Nick
    September 22, 2013

    #80, you always forget, Empress.

  82. #84 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    Nickie, can you link me to an Argo temperature chart

  83. #85 chek
    September 22, 2013

    I don’t think SpamKan’s ever going to realise why OHC isn’t measured in ‘Temp C’. lol.

  84. #86 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    chekeee, can you link me to an Argo temperature chart, the raw data sweetie :)

  85. #87 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    #82 Nickie your comment was very witty honey :)

    Now, can you link me to the Argo temperature charts?

  86. #88 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    It is obvious that you guyz fear the ARGO data, why would that be? hmmm

  87. #89 Stu 2
    September 22, 2013

    Nick@#12,
    Why would SHL do that?
    Because the operating licence required it.
    You are attempting to mislead with your comments re Tumut ponds and drop shaft capacity.
    You are sprouting irrelevant rubbish and that was never the issue under question. Nobody, including Marohasy has ever claimed that SHL was damaging their own drop shaft capacity. That truly is nonsense.
    Look up the normal operational RAR requirements for the Murray and Murrumbidgee valleys from SHL.
    The water under question is the PAYBACK of those amounts on top of the usual requirements. The licence stipulated it had to be done because that water was held back in the depth of the drought. Ostensibly, it was supposed to be for the environment which of course had already been more than adequately watered by the downstream inflows you have already mentioned.
    From no later than OCT 2012, that water was being wasted DOWNSTREAM from the storage systems because it SPILLED through the downstream storage systems into an already over full system.
    When I return home if you still can’t figure it out, I will find the release amounts for you.
    I was offering you the benefit of my knowledge on this matter and tried to warn you that Marohasy was NOT the problem re this issue. SHL, NOW , SWC and Minco were all soundly warned well before the situation became critical in Dec 2012 that there was a developing problem. Their inflexibility was the problem Nick and it remains a problem.

  88. #90 bill
    September 22, 2013

    SpamKan, what’s obvious is that you’ve half-digested some snippet from a Denier blog which you, as usual, imagine makes you clever, though you don’t even know what Argo floats are. Now, instead of pissing about pretending to know things, either shit or get off the pot.

  89. #91 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    Hi Billee, see #87

  90. #92 bill
    September 22, 2013

    No, for the umpteenth time you’re merely pretending to know about something you do not understand. At all.

    You have never managed to explain yourself in this situation and you’re not likely to start now, because you are dumber than the contents of your laundry basket.

    Prove me wrong.

  91. #93 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    #91 billee, just a little peek at the argo data surely wouldn’t hurt :)

  92. #94 bill
    September 22, 2013

    QED.

    You have no idea what it is you’re claiming. You’re just parroting something you read somewhere.

    You do this all the time, and nobody is fooled – except maybe yourself, but you’re the dumbest one here.

  93. #95 adelady
    September 22, 2013

    2012 3410000 sq. klms.
    2013 5100000 sq. klms.
    Proooving the theory that global warming makes more ice?

    So we have a number for this year for minimum extent. Not all reports are in for all of this stuff.

    Let’s make a couple of guesses. These are the averages I quickly extracted from http://iwantsomeproof.com/extimg/siv_september_average_polar_graph.png and http://iwantsomeproof.com/extimg/sia_max_min_plus_step_days.png for the last 3 years and the previous 3 decades for area and volume.

    1980s 1990s 2000s ‘10s
    Area 15026 12990 9367 4042 cubic kms

    Volume 5131058 4642024 3861804 2941319 sq kms

    Given the glee on show about the extent number for this year, who wants to put mouth and/or money on this year’s September minimum volume being like that of the previous decade – say 9000 cubic kms or more? Anyone?

    OK. Who’s surprised that this year’s minimum area doesn’t even match, let alone exceed, the average for the previous decade? If you look at the table you’ll see that it’s 3554397. So despite this remarkable, wonderful, science overturning event, it’s still 307407 square kms short of the most recent decadal average September minimum.

  94. #96 john byatt
    September 22, 2013
  95. #97 adelady
    September 22, 2013

    Rats. I transposed the titles for those numbers.

    I hope most people would realise that area = sq kms and volume = cubic kms, but I thought I’d mention it anyway.

  96. #98 bill
    September 22, 2013

    Adelady, if you’re addressing SpamKan you really shouldn’t ask her to do so much reading, because she ends up with such sore lips.

    Also, area and volume appear to have transposed, but where SpamKan’s concerned it makes no difference, as she can’t make sense of those concepts and all those numbers anyway!

  97. #99 Karen
    September 22, 2013

    here is a paper to suit the meme :)

    On the subarctic North Atlantic cooling due to global warming

    http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00704-012-0805-9

    lol… bbd will luv it

  98. #100 Marco
    September 22, 2013

    Karen, second sentence from that paper you linked to:
    “A similar cooling pattern is found in the doubling CO2 experiment obtained from the CMIP3″

    Say what? Climate models accurately modeling an observation? Why, yes!

    Own goal, Karen.

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