September 2013 Open Thread

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  1. #1 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    Tantrums and hissy fits are a good indication that your mental health is further deteriorating…
    Try posting back at dotearth for a while.

  2. #2 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    That’s not how it works, Sunny. As you will see, soon enough.

  3. #3 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    My mental health is fine. I’m not the one pretending to be a girl, remember? Nor am I a pathological liar afflicted to the core with the worst case of DK-syndrome imaginable.

    Find a mirror, Sunny, and look yourself in the eyes.

  4. #4 Stu 2
    September 25, 2013

    Nick @ 80.
    Yes, I did type 2012, but of course meant 2010.
    Otherwise, rather unfortunately, you seem to be displaying the same attitude that caused that licence anomaly to remain in place despite the fact that repeated warnings were given and had been getting increasingly strident from April 2010.
    You also don’t seem to understand that the whole system is interconnected. Just because Tumut didn’t flood in the earlier flooding is not a good excuse to fill up Blowering when the ‘bidgee and the Murray were already full and delivering all requirements downstream. That is not sensible management practice.
    Filling Blowering and Hume anytime after October 2010 with that RAR Payback was asking for trouble and the EXTRA water associated with those paybacks should logically have remained in Eucumbene until it was needed.
    That’s why the system was designed that way in the first place.
    We can quibble over the wastage figures forever but it doesn’t change what the issue truly was.
    But please, we may just have to agree to disagree as I only wanted to point out the above facts and also point out that Marohasy’s involvement in any of this was minimal.
    Unfortunately that licence anomaly still exists on the Murray side of the system and has only been partly resolved on the ‘bidgee side.
    I hope you don’t think that’s OK despite your dislike of Marohasy.

  5. #5 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    Frequently people with mental health issues don’t realize, and blaming others for their own failings, also mixing up confusing the identities of people…..

    You do have a few telling idiosyncrasies there…

  6. #6 Lotharsson
    September 25, 2013

    Frequently people with mental health issues don’t realize, and blaming others for their own failings, …

    Frack, there goes another irony meter.

  7. #7 bill
    September 25, 2013

    It’s the freakin’ coal mine calling the kettle black!

    And that’s a ‘deep hole’, isn’t it, sleazebag?

  8. #8 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    What Lotharsson said, Sunny. I’m not blaming you for my failings, I am blaming you for yours. Nor am I confused about your identity – again, that problem is yours.

    End of the road, for you, troll.

  9. #9 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    lol

  10. #10 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    lol

    No Sunny. Not funny.

  11. #11 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    ‘Missing’ phytoplankton found, but Trenberth’s imaginary heat remains ‘missing’

    By: Marc Morano – Climate DepotSeptember 24, 2013 11:55 PM

    ‘Missing’ phytoplankton found, but Trenberth’s imaginary heat remains ‘missing’

    http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2013/09/missing-phytoplankton-found-but.html

    A new study finds “NASA satellites may have missed more than 50% of the phytoplankton in the Southern Ocean, making it far more difficult to estimate the carbon capture potential of this vast area of sea.” The paper adds to several other recent peer-reviewed publications demonstrating prior assumptions about the global carbon cycle may be highly erroneous, as well as the modelling derived from these assumptions.However, Trenberth’s imaginary heat from CO2 is still ‘missing’ from both the atmosphere and the deep oceans. The very sparse, deep-ocean temperature observations show only a 0.01C warming over 44 years, which is much, much less than the instrument uncertainty.

    Deep ocean observations in green show only 0.01C warming over 44 years, much less than uncertainty and measurement error. The remaining lines are all from models, which, as usual, are all over the map showing equally warming or cooling. Source

    In addition, if the “oceans ate the global warming,” steric sea level rise from thermal expansion should have accelerated sea level rise, but the data shows no evidence of acceleration.

    Algorithm finds missing phytoplankton in Southern Ocean

    lol

  12. #12 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    More spammed rubbish.

    The stuff about OHC is a lie. Just wrong. Go and check. As usual, Morano is lying.

    The phytoplankton stuff is also wrong. Here’s proof:

    Keeling curve.

  13. #13 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    I see that the Hockeyschtick liar shows a 2011 graph from Roy Spencer (PhD!) using “Levitus observations” 1955- 1999. Completely obsolete and only 0 – 700m depth too. Deliberate graph trickery – again.

    Using up to date observations and the full 0 – 2000m depth from Levitus et al. (2012):

    We provide updated estimates of the change of ocean heat content and the thermosteric component of sea level change of the 0–700 and 0–2000 m layers of the World Ocean for 1955–2010. Our estimates are based on historical data not previously available, additional modern data, and bathythermograph data corrected for instrumental biases. We have also used Argo data corrected by the Argo DAC if available and used uncorrected Argo data if no corrections were available at the time we downloaded the Argo data. The heat content of the World Ocean for the 0–2000 m layer increased by 24.0 ± 1.9 × 1022 J (±2S.E.) corresponding to a rate of 0.39 W m−2 (per unit area of the World Ocean) and a volume mean warming of 0.09°C. This warming corresponds to a rate of 0.27 W m−2 per unit area of earth’s surface. The heat content of the World Ocean for the 0–700 m layer increased by 16.7 ± 1.6 × 1022 J corresponding to a rate of 0.27 W m−2(per unit area of the World Ocean) and a volume mean warming of 0.18°C. The World Ocean accounts for approximately 93% of the warming of the earth system that has occurred since 1955. The 700–2000 m ocean layer accounted for approximately one-third of the warming of the 0–2000 m layer of the World Ocean. The thermosteric component of sea level trend was 0.54 ± .05 mm yr−1 for the 0–2000 m layer and 0.41 ± .04 mm yr−1 for the 0–700 m layer of the World Ocean for 1955–2010.

    Almost a magnitude out, Sunny!

    As I said, it’s all lies. You are just to ignorant to know it, so you are very easily fooled by the liars. What a colossal prat you are.

  14. #14 Lotharsson
    September 25, 2013

    As I said, it’s all lies.

    Full chorus: Karen’s purpose here is to disseminate lies.

  15. #15 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    So you sit there for all your waking hours BBD, watching, waiting, like a spider sitting at the edge of it’s web……… lol… you certainly ain’t no athlete, you most likely have a vitamin D deficiency, maybe you are marooned there like a morbidly obese walrus eating where you shit because you cannot even move to the door let along fit through it, does your young son, if he is yours, ferry the home delivered pizza through the stinking quagmire to you ?

    Get someone to widen the door so you can get out, sit outside on a Sunny day sweetie :)

  16. #16 Nick
    September 25, 2013

    #10, well, that bizarre little spew is Kaz’ way of saying ‘dang, I’ve been fooled again’…nearest you’ll get to a thank you ,BBD

    Kaz, remember you’re supposed to be a skeptic LOL

  17. #17 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    This is a goodie Nickie :)

    “Focusing on the goals and strategies of climate change conversations, Wibeck zeroes in on how learners of climate science understand messages on climate change, the communicative contexts for education on climate change, and the barriers that can be found to public engagement. Of particular importance is how learners of climate science are being spoken to about climate change because this affects the ways they go on to conduct their own conversations about it.”

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/09/130924103046.htm?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sciencedaily%2Fearth_climate%2Fglobal_warming+%28ScienceDaily%3A+Earth+%26+Climate+News+–+Global+Warming%29

    rofl

  18. #18 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    Projecting again, Sunny!

    I’ve just got back from my morning run.

    You got fucked again for rebroadcasting lies. You stupid little prat. Let’s remember who is losing the game, shall we.

  19. #19 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “I’ve just got back from my morning run. ”

    hahaha, on the back of a tilt tray……………

  20. #20 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    #12

    But you are a contemptible liar and a denier and a terminal ignoramus, Sunny. You have been lying about climate change for years – and failing to understand it or learn about it for the same length of time.

    You aren’t who Wibeck is talking about. You are part of the problem. You aren’t interested in strategic solutions *or* in the science. You are just pushing denier lies. Nobody needs people like you, and in due course, when the climate shit hits the economic fan, this will be remembered. Vermin like you will escape behind your anonymity, but the ringleaders won’t. It’s going to be ugly for them.

  21. #21 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    #14 Keep projecting, Sunny. It gets more obviously pathetic with every single iteration.

    Also try to remember that I am in the UK. Timezones and all that.

    Fuck but you are stupid, Sunny.

  22. #22 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    So now you think you are Nickie?

  23. #23 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    No, Sunspot. Whatever gives you that idea? You seem to have problems with honesty, identity, research, topic knowledge and good faith. Bit of a fucking mess, aren’t you?

    Did you find a mirror and look at your miserable excuse for a self yet, Sunny? What have you become, eh?

  24. #24 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “The alarmists refuse to budge on global warming. Despite widespread head-scratching regarding the cause of the current 15-plus year pause or slowdown in warming (and the obvious failings of climate models to predict it) the alarmists don’t ever want to give an inch.

    Over the years, they have painted themselves into a corner – any admission of uncertainty or doubt would now be regarded as weakness, at least in their minds.

    So they plough on with the wilful blindness, misrepresentation and name-calling.

    The image shows how Skeptical Science used to
    ……………….”

    http://australianclimatemadness.com/2013/09/23/alarmists-zeal-causes-more-climate-scepticism/

  25. #25 Lionel A
    September 25, 2013

    SunKrank:

    ‘Missing’ phytoplankton found, but Trenberth’s imaginary heat remains ‘missing’

    By: Marc Morano – Climate DepotSeptember 24, 2013 11:55 PM

    Marc Morono pretends to know nothing about the reality of Trenberth’s statement which was aimed at the ‘travesty’ of not having enough measuring points to track the known transfer through ocean layers. The fact that sea levels have risen is a marker for expansion due to heat up-take. Note the large volume of water vis a vis atmosphere.

    Now instead of continuing to be an irritating ignoramus why don’t you go back and follow my suggestion here.

    Flippant, inveterate lol-lers should be banned unless they turn their behaviour around.

  26. #26 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    And on you go, thrashing away at the blatant misrepresentations of the state of scientific knowledge wrt the slowdown in tropospheric warming and the true nature of the models which were never designed to predict it. Spin, rhetoric, misrepresentation and lies. But you cannot stop reality, Sunny. It will eat you whole, along with the rest of the denier sheep.

    And deep down inside, you are afraid.

    * * *

    As a measure of how revoltingly dishonest you are, you cannot even lie consistently. Here’s you, utterly fucked by your idiocy about thermal capacity and desperately trying to escape the godawful mess:

    My monthly data has just run out! sheeezzzz, snails pace till Saturday!
    I know you all will miss me………….xoxoxoxoxo.. till then

    But as soon as you’d wriggled out of that for a few hours – back you were again, trolling as frantically as ever. And here you still are, still thrashing away…

    This is why Tim Lambert confined you to your own thread, Sunspot.

  27. #27 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “why don’t you go back and follow my suggestion here.”

    I will Lionel, :) Saturday I will get my download speed back, currently it takes 2 mins just to refresh a page!

  28. #28 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    BBD, your conspiratorial thoughts are amusing :)

  29. #29 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    BBD might have taken the hint and has gone for a waddle?

  30. #30 GSW
    September 25, 2013

    @Lionel

    ” ‘Missing’ phytoplankton found, but Trenberth’s imaginary heat remains ‘missing’

    By: Marc Morano – Climate DepotSeptember 24, 2013 11:55 PM”

    The headline’s worth a chortle in itself, thanks for this Lionel. The ClimateDepot article continues –

    “A new study finds “NASA satellites may have missed more than 50% of the phytoplankton in the Southern Ocean, making it far more difficult to estimate the carbon capture potential of this vast area of sea.” The paper adds to several other recent peer-reviewed publications demonstrating prior assumptions about the global carbon cycle may be highly erroneous, as well as the modelling derived from these assumptions.However, Trenberth’s imaginary heat from CO2 is still ‘missing’ from both the atmosphere and the deep oceans. The very sparse, deep-ocean temperature observations show only a 0.01C warming over 44 years, which is much, much less than the instrument uncertainty.”
    ;)

  31. #31 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “In introducing their paper of quite some time ago, Wilson et al. (1979) wrote that one of their main objectives in conducting the study it described was to compare the temperature record from New Zealand – which they emphasized is “in the Southern Hemisphere and a region meteorologically unrelated to Europe” – with the climate record of England, where the MWP had already made its mark on that country’s and the surrounding region’s climatic history. Their contribution to this endeavor was to decipher the 18O/16O profile from the core to the surface of a stalagmite obtained from a cave in New Zealand, which was dated by the 14C method. And in doing so, they found that the proxy temperature record provided by the stalagmite was broadly similar to the climate record of England, exhibiting a period in the early part of the past millennium that was about 0.75°C warmer than it was in the mid-20th-century. And based on that finding they made the broader conclusion that “such climatic fluctuations as the Medieval Warm Period and Little Ice Age are not just a local European phenomenon.”

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  32. #32 bill
    September 25, 2013

    GooseSezWh’ain’t getting any brighter, is he?

    One; we’ve seen it. Two; Mark Freakin’ Morano?! Puhleese! Well, I suppose it’s the best an arseclown can manage…

    And speaking of arseclowns, it’s MWP time with a 1979 paper that many might just possibly suspect might have been, you know, superseded, you know, like a bit, by now. Oh, it has!

    Wattsy really is getting desperate, ain’t he? He’s nearly as sad as his readership!

    So we’ve got old news and even more old news. What a pair of hapless duds.

  33. #33 bill
    September 25, 2013

    You know, it’s a good thing time travel ain’t ever going to be possible, because if you could go back to the cradle of life and explain to some callow, optimistic slime-mould just starting out on the evolutionary path that all its efforts were only going to end up back at SunSpam perhaps we all wouldn’t be here…

  34. #34 Lionel A
    September 25, 2013

    GSW @#25 I didn’t drop that turd.

    Note that it was from Marc Morono via another moron SunKrank.

    But then attention deficit disorder, cognitive dissonance and simple plain ignorance is the hallmark of you and your kind.

  35. #35 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    #21 bbd “and the true nature of the models which were never designed to predict it. Spin, rhetoric, misrepresentation and lies.”

    “Climate models use quantitative methods to simulate the interactions of the atmosphere, oceans, land surface, and ice.”

    “They are used for a variety of purposes from study of the dynamics of the weather and climate system to projections of future climate.”

    “These models predict an upward trend in the surface temperature record, as well as a more rapid increase in temperature at higher altitudes.”

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/articles/c/climate_model.htm

    hmm…. Dict. projection………A ‘prediction’ made by extrapolating from past observations

  36. #36 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    #30 Sunspot

    The models are correct. There has been an upward trend in surface temperatures – briefly suppressed by the recent and transient increase in ocean heat uptake.

    What the fuck are you all going to do when the surface warming resumes full tilt, eh? As it must, because of the laws of physics. Get your head around it, Sunny: it’s not if, it’s when. And it won’t be long now, I suspect. Then the open season on fake sceptics begins in real earnest. A deeply suppressed part of you knows this is true. And it is afraid.

    * * *

    The predictive skill of models is not derived from “extrapolation” from past observations. That is just you thrashing around in a mudhole of wrong. As per.

  37. #37 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    @ Fuckwit who didn’t read the thread before posting #25

    NASA satellites may have missed more than 50% of the phytoplankton in the Southern Ocean, making it far more difficult to estimate the carbon capture potential of this vast area of sea.

    It’s not doing a very good job is it?

    The Keeling Curve is rather… steeply ascending, no? Or are you too stupid to understand why this makes sushi out of the latest Hockeyschtick rubbish?

    Probably. I don’t know why the fuck I bother sometimes. The plankton are right here.

  38. #38 Lotharsson
    September 25, 2013

    The alarmists refuse to budge on global warming.

    Altogether now: it’s always projection.

  39. #39 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “The models are correct. There has been an upward trend in surface temperatures – briefly suppressed by the recent and transient increase in ocean heat uptake. ”

    Did you also tell that to your shrink?

    If you lived in Australia I would swear that you have been eating goldtops……….

  40. #40 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    There is a David Suzuki article on WUWT.

    It’s not an article, it’s about, not by Suzuki, it’s a predictable smear job, it’s full of lies, and most of all… so what, liar?

  41. #41 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “What the fuck are you all going to do when the surface warming resumes full tilt, eh?”

    Well I did but a larger air conditioner already, a large 3 ph reverse cycle refrigerated jobby :)

    That’s called hedging your bet ……lol

  42. #42 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    Did you also tell that to your shrink?

    Says the pathological liar with multiple personality disorder…

    All together now, it’s always…

  43. #43 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    Did you also tell that to your shrink?

    I don’t have or need one, Sunspot. I’m not a pathological liar pretending to be a woman and suffering the extremes of denial.

    * * *

    If I lived in Australia, I would have just experience the hottest 12 months since records began.

  44. #44 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    That’s called hedging your bet ……lol

    LOL… a few billion people dying doesn’t bother Mack none… LOLOLOL.

    What an awful human being you are.

  45. #45 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    We crossed, Stu. But it can’t be said too often…

  46. #46 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    #39 Stu pid,

    so you think my air conditioner is going to kill billions of people?

    lol, do you have the padded room adjacent to bbd?

  47. #47 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “A quarter of a century later, Williams et al. (2004) wrote that their new paper on the subject revises and builds on results that were derived by Williams et al. (1999) from stable isotope stratigraphy found in caves at Waitomo, which is located at 38.3°S latitude about 35 km from the west coast of the central North Island of New Zealand. More specifically, they enhanced three existing speleothem (stalactite, stalagmite or flowstone cave deposit) records “by adding another chronology, increasing the subsample resolution of existing records, and by much improving the temporal control of all chronologies by basing it entirely on uranium series TIMS dating.” And with these improvements, Williams et al.’s speleothem master chronologies revealed a warmer-than-present late-Holocene warm peak located between 0.9 and 0.6 ka BP that they equated with the Medieval Warm Period of Europe, further noting that this period “coincided with a period of Polynesian settlement (McGlone and Wilmshurst, 1999).” Thereafter, they further reported that temperatures “cooled rapidly to a trough about 325 years ago,” which they said corresponded to “the culmination of the ‘Little Ice Age’ in Europe.”

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  48. #48 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    so you think my air conditioner is going to kill billions of people?

    Is there a trophy for being the dumbest denier you’re competing with Freddy for?

  49. #49 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    well stu pid, do you have the padded room adjacent to bbd?

  50. #50 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    Now explain, in your own words, what your latest spam means, Sunspot.

  51. #51 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “In clear contradiction of the claims of climate alarmists, these findings are but another example of the unending stream of studies from all around the world that continue to document the global presence of a warmer-than-present Medieval Warm Period; and they are becoming ever more difficult to deny, because they demonstrate that the Medieval Warm Period was warmer than the Modern Warm Period, even though the air’s CO2 concentration of that earlier period was about 115 ppm less than it is currently. This being the case, there is absolutely no reason to attribute the planet’s current level of warmth to its current elevated atmospheric CO2 content, as there is an historical precedent (the MWP) for even higher temperatures than those of the present with much lower-than-current atmospheric CO2 concentrations.

    A short four-year hiatus later, Lorrey et al. (2008) developed two master speleothem δ18O records for New Zealand’s eastern North Island (ENI) and western South Island (WSI) for the period 2000 BC to about AD 1660 and 1825, respectively. The WSI record was a composite chronology composed of data derived from four speleothems from Aurora, Calcite, Doubtful Xanadu and Waiau caves, while the ENI record was a composite history derived from three speleothems from Disbelief and Te Reinga caves. This work revealed that for both the ENI and WSI δ18O master speleothem histories, their warmest periods fell within the AD 900-1100 time interval, which is also where the peak warmth of a large portion of the temperature records”

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  52. #52 bill
    September 25, 2013

    SunSpam cannot explain what it means. SunSpam will never explain what it means. SunSpam will never explain anything because SunSpam does not comprehend anything. Most bright 12 year olds have a better grasp of the physics than SunSpam does. That’s not even hyperbole. When you are so fucking stupid you have to neurally-outsource from the likes of Watts and Morano there’s not even a down to go to anymore.

  53. #53 Karen
    September 25, 2013

    “you have to neurally-outsource from the likes of Watts and Morano ”

    Nup, no points for Bileeee… lol

    “Not wanting to acknowledge that the earth of a thousand or so years ago was likely as warm as, or even warmer than, it is currently – when the atmosphere’s CO2 concentration was much lower than it is today (285 vs. 400 ppm) – the world’s climate alarmists have been loath to admit there was an MWP anywhere other than in countries surrounding the North Atlantic Ocean. And so it is that the results of the several studies described above are of great importance to the ongoing global warming debate, as they greatly advance the thesis that the MWP was indeed a global phenomenon, wherein temperatures throughout the world were significantly warmer than they have been anytime subsequently, and that there is thus nothing unusual or unprecedented about earth’s current level of warmth, with the obvious implication that the maximum temperatures of the present simply cannot be attributed to the historical increase in the air’s CO2 content.

    References
    Lorrey, A., Williams, P., Salinger, J., Martin, T., Palmer, J., Fowler, A., Zhao, J.-X. and Neil, H. 2008. Speleothem stable isotope records interpreted within a multi-proxy framework and implications for New Zealand palaeoclimate reconstruction. Quaternary International 187: 52-75.

    McGlone, M.S. and Wilmshurst, J.M. 1999. Dating initial Maori environmental impact in New Zealand. Quaternary International 59: 5-16.

    Williams, P.W., King, D.N.T., Zhao, J.-X. and Collerson, K.D. 2004. Speleothem master chronologies: combined Holocene 18O and 13C records from the North Island of New Zealand and their palaeo-environmental interpretation. The Holocene 14: 194-208.”

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  54. #54 Lotharsson
    September 25, 2013

    …the world’s climate alarmists have been loath to admit there was an MWP anywhere other than in countries surrounding the North Atlantic Ocean.

    Remember, Karen’s purpose here is to disseminate lies.

  55. #56 Jeff Harvey
    September 25, 2013

    Let’s get it straight: the whole MWP and its significance is overblown b*. The ONLY reason the deniers started on about it is because of Mann et al.’s 1998 Nature paper and the hockey stick. Until then the deniers had made no inroads into the field of climate science and were stuck on the “It is a doomsday myth” meme. Suddenly that paper is published and it gives something for the deniers to relentlessly pursue and voila! The MWP becomes one of their mantras.

    The fact that Karen is so utterly, demonstrably dense and has to resurrect this crap again shows exactly what her level of understanding of science is. It should be obvious to anyone with half a brain by now that the deniers do exactly what the creationists do: try and counter the huge amount of empirical evidence against their arguments by countering examples with their own stitched together wafer-thin ‘ evidence’. Climate scientists publish something in a good journal, and the deniers counter it with something on exactly the same topic but with different conclusions in a crappy journal.

    That Karen is stupid enough to go along with this means that she deserves to be sent packing from here. Her arguments – if one can call them that – were shredded eons ago, and yet she is still here twisting, deceiving and distorting. Given that 99% of those contributing here know this, why does she persist? What does she hope to gain? She’s like a football team (American that is) losing 49-0 with 35 seconds left in regulation time and still expecting a ‘victory’. Karen, you’ve been blown out of the park. Its over.

  56. #57 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    I’ll guess where, Sunny. Lies by the fossil-fuel funded fucking Idsos from the hilariously misnomered “CO2 Science”. Science my arse.

    You *cannot* demonstrate a global, synchronous MWP as warm as or warmer than the present from the currently available data. I challenge you to do so knowing for certain that you will fail.

    Quoting lying energy industry shills’ deliberate and systematic misrepresentations of others’ work simply doesn’t count.

  57. #58 Lionel A
    September 25, 2013

    SunKrank:

    Well I did but a larger air conditioner already…

    Don’t you mean ‘buy a larger’?

    Touché

  58. #59 Lionel A
    September 25, 2013

    “The models are correct. There has been an upward trend in surface temperatures – briefly suppressed by the recent and transient increase in ocean heat uptake. ”

    Did you also tell that to your shrink?

    SunKrank, shrink yourself around this:

    What ocean heating reveals about global warming and stop fuckarsing lol-ling around (another warning), where in the heck do you think you are, some Seraglio you pointless shit-for-brains?

    Time for you to join Zebedee I suspect.

  59. #60 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    Lotharsson

    you are obviously not aware of how primitive your poem sounds

    “Altogether now: it’s always projection”

    Imagining the glorious leper islanders CAGW chorus from full heart most probably in wrong pitch “Altogether now: it’s always projection” makes one really laugh, so ridiculously insane is this. The Doltoid chorus singing, full of low-talented singers, an utterly primitive text from poet Lotharsson!!!!

    OH MY GOD, BEWARE OF LEPER ISLAND IDIOCY

  60. #61 Lionel A
    September 25, 2013
  61. #62 Lionel A
    September 25, 2013

    #55 Just ignore.

  62. #63 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    @57

    No, why? Because you are so ashamed, you primitive Lotharsson poem singer?

    Hahaha, you primitive non-scientific pack of leper islanders. Your group feeling does not make you strong because each of you is soooo weak.

  63. #65 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    Stu, savings from “renewables” (what an utterly stupid non-scientific idiotic term from greenpisser and eco fundamentalist adherents)???????

    Hahahahahahahaha

    THERE ARE NO SAVINGS FROM “RENEWABLES”, you moron? Everything becomed more expensive and blackouts certain, you terrible idiot. Take your meds!!!!

  64. #66 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    Fuck off and take your meds.

  65. #67 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    rhwombat, you assert you are a medical doctor. If so, why are you talking so loudly about something you have no background at all, ie meteorology, apart from listening to tv meteo forecasts, you blatherskite and ignorant. Are you so deeply convinced about your climate belief that your conviction replaces any knowledge which you totally lack.

    Show that you are a doctor and explain what the gyrus cinguli is, fuckwit on leper island!

  66. #68 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    Stu, last warning: piss off, fuckwit

  67. #69 Jeff Harvey
    September 25, 2013

    Boris, your time on Deltoid is numbered. You are going to need another sock puppet.

  68. #70 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    @Jeff, a new conspiration from the weak character group of CAGW Doltoids and Lotharsson poem chorus on leper island, which are so proud of their low intellectual level and climate ignorance???? WHAT A THREAT!!!!!

    Go home with your eco-system services, farmer

  69. #71 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    Jeff, poor English, how can time be “numbered”, idiot

  70. #72 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    Jeff, can you also eat time, or smell time, or even digest time. Explain, fuckwit!!!!

  71. #73 Boris
    September 25, 2013

    rwhombat. how would you judge from a medical doctor’s point of view what BBD said to me that I should kill myself. Are are accepting this, do you say the same to me? Is this unethical, even torally unacceptable that one human asks another human to kill himself? What is your opinion on the degusting behavior of BBD?????

  72. #74 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    Fuck off and take your meds, Freddy.

  73. #75 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    Just pull the trigger, Kai. We’re sick of you diseased mind and the noise you make. Give us all a fucking break, eh?

  74. #76 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    Of course RHW can’t encourage you to top yourself you mutt. He’d be in an ethical bind and then some! RHW would urge you to take your meds!

    This has been suggested many times before, to zero effect, hence my/chek’s constructive upgrade to live ammunition.

  75. #77 Turboblocke
    September 25, 2013

    I don’t know why the deniers are so keen on a MWP: it implies high climate sensitivity.

  76. #78 BBD
    September 25, 2013

    Turboblocke

    And we keep telling them so, but they keep coming back with the same tediously *wrong* bollocks. I don’t think most of them even understand the point. I don’t think they can see past the stupid argument that “it was hotter and CO2 was lower so AGW is falsified”. They don’t seem to appreciate that nobody ever claimed that CO2 was the only major driver of climate.

    It’s all so stupid and confused and wrong. And no matter how many times the stupid is explained, it just gets thrown back at you again, and again, and again.

    Which is why we resort to terms like “fuckwit” in the end.

  77. #79 chek
    September 25, 2013

    It’s likely because they’ve been sold denialism by expert PR on the subconscious level.

    If you ask the target audience (SpamKan, PantieZ, Boris are good enough examples) flat out plainly do they think driving car W, smoking Brand X (one for the jazz fusionistas there!), or washing their shirts in Y or drinking Brew Z really makes their dicks feel bigger, they’ll deny it. But subconsciously they’ve bought it and the post-campaign sales analyses show they did.

    Hence the parade of lo-rent lab rats we see through here daily with nothing but the most superficial backing for their fervently held belief that CO2 scam-nazi-commies are out to take all their piddling worldly possessions by taxing them to the bone(r). Boris/Freddy/Olaf/Kai has fully invested in this multi-level myth and insists on torturing himself with it and worse, inflicting his imaginary looney-toon ravings on us.

    So Boris/Freddy/Olaf/Kai , I propose you be more entertaining for us by dancing like a chicken, and because this is an Australian blog, I further propose that whilst doing so you fart the tune ‘Waltzing Matilda’.

    I further hope that the image of a dancing, Waltzing Matilda farting chicken is now so firmly embedded that it will be the first thought that springs to mind whenever your uniquely styled text is encountered regardless of whatever handle you’re using at the time.

    Or just pull the trigger. Your choice.

  78. #80 Turboblocke
    September 25, 2013

    I’ve never understood the rational behind the tax fears…don’t they realise that if a government wants to raise taxes it doesn’t have to invent a new one and create a world wide conspiracy to back it up. Just sticking another % or two on income, sales or whatever existing tax would do the trick.

  79. #81 chek
    September 25, 2013

    Don’t quote me TB, but I suspect it’s along the lines of ‘higher taxes’ don’t register. Another (i.e. more) tax does. Remember, it’s not aimed at rational thinking.

  80. #82 Jeff Harvey
    September 25, 2013

    I’ll explain, Boris/Freddy/Berendaneke/Kai etc. You will soon be banned from here. And about time, too. You are a complete ignoramus.

  81. #83 Turboblocke
    September 25, 2013

    Perhaps the Australian public is already regretting the election… http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/sep/23/climate-commission-resurrected-as-private-body

  82. #84 adelady
    September 25, 2013

    Yup. The Climate Council pretty quickly got to over 10000 members/ friends and almost half a million dollars in the bank. For all I know those numbers should be bigger. It’s racing so fast I’m probably horribly out of date already.

  83. #85 Stu
    September 25, 2013

    Doesn’t matter one whit. From here on out, all governments are stupid and lying EXCEPT for the Australian government, and the Climate Council is an evil Greenpeace lobbying organization. Don’t bet against this, you know I’m right.

  84. #86 bill
    September 25, 2013

    “you have to neurally-outsource from the likes of Watts and Morano ”

    Nup, no points for Bileeee… lol

    What does the word ‘references’ mean, muppet?

    It proceeds to neurally-outsource from an Idso CO2 “Science” (*cough*) piece recycled from 2008. Perhaps you’d like to outline his ‘qualifications’ in this debate for us? I.e. we’re talking exactly ‘the likes’ of Watts and Morano.

    This is the only kind of recycling you reactionaries wholeheartedly embrace: endlessly churning the same tired arguments from the same old players. There’s only a couple of dozen of these guys to choose from, after all.

    Bill 1 / Muppet 0

  85. #87 bill
    September 25, 2013

    Rahmstorf at RealClimate.

    The science of ‘ocean heat’ laid out in a nice, concise package – incomprehensible to the terminally dense and dishonest (SunSpam), but of interest to thinking people and those acting in good faith.

    Nutters are welcome to take up their ‘case’ over there – in fact, please tell us, we’ll take popcorn – but they’ll almost-certainly end up in The Borehole pretty-well immediately. Narcissistic semi-educated dingbats will then wail about ‘censorship'; adults will hold that brats constantly scrawling ‘fuck’ on the walls in crayon hardly constitutes ‘freedom of expression’ and poisons the atmosphere for everyone else.

  86. #88 rhwombat
    S Oz
    September 26, 2013

    BBD@#75 et al.

    I’m not a psychiatrist, but I doubt that the Socktroll’s narcissistic personality disorder is very susceptible to pharmacotherapy. NPD’s don’t have the insight to take themselves out of a descending loop, so they don’t suicide either. The only way to deal with them is to withdraw and avoid – in this case ignore him.

    Socktroll’s question about the cingulate gyrus is a giveaway, since both the crude volumetric studies and the more detailed functional MRI studies focus on that region of the brain as a correlate of antisocial behaviour – like voting for Toady Rabbott or being the sort of tribal denier that obsessively flaunts their ignorance on this blog- like the socktroll or SunSpam.

    Here in Oz, contributing to the funding of the nascent Climate Council is the single most effective way of pissing these sociopaths off – at least until the economic effects of climate change bite their puppet masters on the bum hard enough to jerk their funding chains.

  87. #89 Boris
    September 26, 2013

    @rhwombat #87

  88. #90 Boris
    September 26, 2013

    I am always asking me – in an honest and humble way in contrast to the mental state of CAGW leper islanders – whether

  89. #91 bill
    September 26, 2013

    …my medication is ever going to take effect, or whether I’m doomed to imagine myself to be Galactic Space Emperor Ming forever.

  90. #92 Boris
    September 26, 2013

    Dr. combat,

    do you think that neurosurgical removal of the socktroll’s gyrus cinguli (you havn’t learned Latin you pseudo-doctor?) might improve his asocial behavior and make him maybe a faithful member of the AGW church???

  91. #93 Boris
    September 26, 2013

    Dr. combat,

    why did you avoid to comment BBD’s proposal that the socktroll should kill himself? Is this in accordance with Oz medical ethical standards? Should BBD be banned here and juridically be prosecuted for his monstrous thinking?

  92. #94 chek
    September 26, 2013

    Hey Boris, do that chicken thing you do.

  93. #95 Boris
    September 26, 2013

    chek, no idea what you mean

    be more explicit, moron

  94. #96 BBD
    September 26, 2013

    What chek said! Still guffawing. Funniest comment on the thread by far (#78).

    If you aren’t going to lock yourself in your study and do the honourable thing, then you will have to answer some questions. Questions you have blanked no less than three times now.

    Let’s start with how old is the Earth?

  95. #97 bill
    September 26, 2013

    C’mon Boris, you know the tune – Bwaawk bwaaawk bwawk bwawk bwawk, bwaawk bwaaawk bwawk bwawk bwawk…

  96. #98 Karen
    September 26, 2013

    #86 Flaccid Old Bill

    “finding a rate <2000 ths of a degree C per decade.
    (ref increase in 0.09C in 55 years) is that really measurable?
    ie one ARGO buoy per how many thousand cubic kilometres of ocean. (and we've only had ARGO, for a decade, or less at depth)"

    "[Response: Changing a unit to have a small sounding number doesn't actually change anything; neither the significance nor the accuracy. But if you want to play rhetorical games, go right ahead - though perhaps not here. - gavin]"

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2013/09/what-ocean-heating-reveals-about-global-warming/comment-page-1/#comment-412901

    ha……..gavin hasn't a friggen a clue either :)

    Well, I am still waiting on the answer to 'how this incredibly small' and 'almost unmeasurable' amount of 'heat' can magnify or intensify to a higher temperature that will fry the planet.

    Does 2 buckets of 15 C water when mixed together magically become 30 C water?

    Will the deeper cooler water rise and make the shallower water hotter?

    "Beam me up Scotty! There is no intelligent life on this planet." ………. lol

  97. #99 Lotharsson
    September 26, 2013

    gavinI hasn’t a friggen a clue, which is why I mistakenly think people who do have a clue…don’t

    FIFY. To illustrate the fixed version:

    I am still waiting on the answer to ‘how this incredibly small’ and ‘almost unmeasurable’ amount of ‘heat’ can magnify or intensify to a higher temperature…

    You have been told over and over again, and you still haven’t a friggen clue. The failure is not on our side, it is because you are incompetent to or unwilling to understand early high school science.

    (FWIW, you can’t even get basic facts right. It’s an incredibly large amount of heat in the oceans if much of it were to be transferred to the atmosphere, and it’s actual heat energy, not scare quoted ‘heat’. And while we’re at it, heat is not the same as temperature, as we’ve been trying to drum through your thick skull for weeks now.)

    Furthermore, the mechanism that was described to you had nothing to do with mixing two lots of water together and magically increasing the total amount of heat energy in the total amount of water. It doesn’t have anything to do with magically increasing total amounts of heat energy at all. It is (in the first approximation) about changing the distribution of the existing heat energy. You really are utterly and enthusiastically clueless, aren’t you?

    What is most amazing is that you still haven’t twigged as to how clueless you are. And you even pretend that the rest of us haven’t twigged that your purpose here is to disseminate lies.

  98. #100 Karen
    September 26, 2013

    “And while we’re at it, heat is not the same as temperature,”

    If it has nothing to do with raising the temperature of the atmosphere then why do you alarmanize about it?

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