September 2013 Open Thread

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  1. #1 Boris
    September 28, 2013

    BBD, you should learn that the results of paleoclimatology are extremely uncertain with huge error margins and extremely limited data (a few trees in Russia e.g., very few ice cores, some sediments from the US east coast).

  2. #2 chek
    September 28, 2013

    It’s all way beyond you Boris.
    Stick to your chicken dance routine.
    That really works, every time.

  3. #3 chek
    September 28, 2013

    Oh and Boris, just while you’re charging up those chicken farts, be aware that half a dozen lines on a blog by an anonymous though certified loony does not dismiss an entire field of science.

    Now get dancing, chicken!

  4. #4 Turboblocke
    September 28, 2013

    Funnily enough the IPCC report says that surface temperature has risen over the last 15 years…
    Due to natural variability,
    trends based on short records are very sensitive to the beginning and end dates and do not in
    general reflect long-term climate trends. As one example, the rate of warming over the past 15 years (1998–2012; 0.05 [–0.05 to +0.15] °C per decade), which begins with a strong El Niño, is smaller than the rate calculated since 1951 (1951–2012; 0.12 [0.08 to 0.14] °C per decade)5
    .

    That 5 refers to a footnote…
    Trends for 15-year periods starting in 1995, 1996, and 1997 are 0.13 [0.02 to 0.24], 0.14 [0.03 to 0.24], 0.07 [–0.02 to 0.18] °C per decade, respectively.

    The 1997-98 El Nino had two peaks: August/Sept.1997 and Feb/March 1998 which clearly have had an effect on the 15 year trends starting in those years. http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/

  5. #5 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    #1 You can’t make the PETM disappear by wittering about uncertainty. As for the rubbish about proxies, well, FFS.

    Start with the ODP and work on up.

  6. #6 chek
    September 29, 2013

    It really shouldn’t come as any surprise what they’ll sink to given the disinfo campaign in play at the moment, but I’ve seen one anonymous commenter on The Guardian comments claim the ‘hiatus’ was “admitted” in the June draft of AR5 but deleted from the official release. Bit like the MWP all over again.

  7. #7 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    chek, bbd

    you are really poor idiots as their is no warming,

    NO TEMPERATURE INCREASE IS NO WARMING, FUCKWITS!!!!

  8. #8 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    Turbobloke, forget your crap from your disabled brain.

    Read the temperature data of the last ten years, asshole, and forget your fucking obsession with nino, nina, 1998′m trakaka.

    THERE IS NO TEMPERATURE INCREASING SINCE 10 years: NORMAL PEOPLE CALL THIS

    NO WARMING

    FUCKING ASSHOLE

  9. #9 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    Look, Turboblock, to make it easier for such tiny intellect like yours:

    image somebody who tells you:

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM today.

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM yesterday.

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM the day before yesterday.

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM three days ago.

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM four days ago.

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM five days ago.

    My thermometer in my garden showed 10C at 7:00 AM six days ago.

    Therefore: THERE WAS NO WARMING IN THE LAST SIX DAYS.

    UNDERSTOOD, YOU FUCKN ASSHOKE

  10. #10 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    Leper islanders:

    YOU MUST LEARN WHAT A THERMOMETER IS !!!!!

    :lol: :lol: :lol:

  11. #11 Olaus Petri
    September 29, 2013

    Prof. Curry nails it:

    “Diagnosis: paradigm paralysis, caused by motivated reasoning, oversimplification, and consensus seeking; worsened and made permanent by a vicious positive feedback effect at the climate science-policy interface.”

    http://judithcurry.com/2013/09/28/ipcc-diagnosis-permanent-paradigm-paralysis/#more-13142

  12. #12 Nick
    September 29, 2013

    “Motivated reasoning, oversimplification and consensus seeking” pretty much sums up Curry’s little sandpit of smugness, the current party line at her boardinghouse is a consensual ‘we don’t know enough/post-normal science/is broken/ paranoic aggression and mutual pleasuring.. Dr.Curry is a minor curiosity who has added not a skerrick to ‘the debate’.

  13. #13 Nick
    September 29, 2013

    #10, you have to learn what an argument is, Emoticon Kid.

  14. #14 GSW
    September 29, 2013

    @Olaus

    A thoughtful piece from Curry. Her conclusion;

    “The diagnosis of paradigm paralysis seems fatal in the case of the IPCC, given the widespread nature of the infection and intrinsic motivated reasoning. We need to put down the IPCC as soon as possible – not to protect the patient who seems to be thriving in its own little cocoon, but for the sake of the rest of us whom it is trying to infect with its disease. Fortunately much of the population seems to be immune, but some governments seem highly susceptible to the disease. However, the precautionary principle demands that we not take any risks here, and hence the IPCC should be put down.”

    Thanks for the link Olaus.
    ;)

  15. #15 Nick
    September 29, 2013

    #14 Curry talks your language, GSW…yep.

  16. #16 Jeff Harvey
    September 29, 2013

    I see the usual suspects beginning to try and dominate Deltoid again with their farcical musings.

    Curry? IMHO she is an embittered, egotistical old woman who thinks that she and she alone possesses some magical wisdom that has mysteriously eluded the rank-and-file of the climate science community. Now that she has become the pin-up girl for the deniers, she craves the attention being heaped on her and is soaking it up, big time. Some of her posts are indeed vile – like putting up cartoons from Josh smearing Michael Mann. And to think she allegedly set up her blog under the guise of ‘bridging dialogue between scientists on both sides of the climate science debate’ a few years ago. That was never the intention, clearly. It was instead all about promoting ‘me, myself and I’. Now her ego has swelled with the adulation heaped upon her, she’s metaphorically come out of the closet.

    Her nauseating quote exhibits clear signs of a pathological condition I allude to above. Indeed, the disease, if she could get it through he ego-soaked brain, is that humans have not evolved to respond to what we perceive as gradual threats to our well-being and survival. Instead, we can respond to instantaneous threats, such as the effects of weather-related calamities, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions and, for our evolutionary progenitors, a bear at the mouth of a cave or a hungry saber toothed cat prowling the grasslands. But we are not evolutionarily programmed to respond to what, in geological terms, is rapid but within the context of a human life time is very slow or gradual. We know that biodiversity was unable to track past changes in climate regimes that were a fraction of what has been observed since the 1980s. And that was when the planet’s ecosystems were more-or-less intact, and had not been slashed-and-burned, clear-cut, and otherwise simplified in a myriad of other ways by one of its evolved inhabitants.

    If Curry could get it through her thick head, the real disease is the scale of the human enterprise and how this is reducing the planet’s ability to sustain mankind. Climate change is one of the major symptoms of this disease. Reading her latest drivel makes me realize just how deep in the hole we currently are. Speaking as a fellow scientist with professional credentials every bit as good as hers, I can say honestly say that I am relived that she is an outlier. Still, that being said, the outliers are being given veritable megaphones by vested interests to spread their gospels of disinformation. Behind Curry there are few qualified scientists who would dare write such utter garbage as she does and who support here. But these few are promoted endlessly by think tanks, public relations industries and lobbyists on the corporate payroll. The infinitely larger group of scientists on the other side are virtually invisible, with the exception of a few prominent names.

    And that is part of the problem.

  17. #17 FrankD
    September 29, 2013

    Freddie @ #7

    NO TEMPERATURE INCREASE IS NO WARMING

    Epic! The self-proclaimed Grand high poohbah of all things scientific doesn’t know the difference between…no wait, asserts there is no difference between… heat and temperature.

    You can’t parody this stuff…

  18. #18 Lotharsson
    September 29, 2013

    Well, FrankD, someone had to “teach” Karen. (Or was it the other way around?)

  19. #19 Rednose
    September 29, 2013

    #17

    But all that HEAT is calculated from an alleged TEMPERATURE increase of 0.06 K in 50 years
    for the 0-2000m layer.
    That is 0.0012 K per year.

    Amazing the precision you can claim with a bucket and a mercury thermometer.

  20. #20 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    Boorish at #10

    A thermometer is a device for using a proxy measure to inform on the change of vibrational energy of the elements of a molecular structure.

    What else did you think Boorish.

    BTW

    How do satellites measure temperature changes?

    By dangling thermometers like corks from their hats perchance?

  21. #21 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    Rednoise:

    But all that HEAT is calculated from an alleged TEMPERATURE increase of 0.06 K in 50 years

    A change in temperature alone tells one nothing about the change in heat content of a body.

    What other factors should be considered?

    Amazing the precision you can claim with a bucket and a mercury thermometer.

    Aha! David Duff strikes again with this argument from historical inaccuracy and absurdity.

  22. #22 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    A thoughtful piece from Curry. Her conclusion;

    The diagnosis of paradigm paralysis seems fatal in the case of the IPCC, given the widespread nature of the infection and intrinsic motivated reasoning.

    Aha yes. Judith Curry?

    Gulp, with every passing post she coulkd be one of those considered here:

    Postmodernism Disrobed.

    Visit the Postmodernism Generator. It is a literally infinite source of randomly generated syntactically correct nonsense, distinguishable from the real thing only in being more fun to read. You could generate thousands of papers per day, each one unique and ready for publication, complete with numbered endnotes. Manuscripts should be submitted to the ‘Editorial Collective’ of Social Text, double-spaced and in triplicate.

    You should read in its entirety ‘The Devil’s Chaplin’ collection of essays by prominent scientists and thinkers with introductory material by RD. If you did then you would be equipped with more BS filters whilst reading such trite nonsense as is being increasingly pushed by aunt Judy & Co..

  23. #23 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    …elements of a molecular structure

    To clarify further,

    elements as in parts, entities, not specific elements such as Fe, Pb, Cl, etc.

    such that atoms can be included in the system being measured as well as molecules per se.

  24. #24 chek
    September 29, 2013

    However, the precautionary principle demands that we not take any risks here, and hence the IPCC should be put down.”

    Trust Curry to twist even a simple concept like the precautionary principle. She really is an intellectual lightweight.

    Given that we have only one planet and that we are causing major changes in its biosphere with centuries more future changes already loaded, the principle dictates that we stop adding to those changes immediately.

    Curry’s solution is that we should not hear any more about the problems we’re busily manufacturing. The only risk that concerns her is to Business As Usual.

  25. #25 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    NO TEMPERATURE INCREASE IS NO WARMING, FUCKWITS!!!!

    Wrong-o! You need to think about physical climatology as energy fluxes entering, moving around within and leaving the climate system or you will remain hopelessly wrong and hopelessly confused!

    Sort out your basic definitions and concepts before further comments on this topic!

    Buffoon!

  26. #26 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    David Duff/Rednoise continues to engage in data denial I see. Well, when the data contradicts your politics, that’s all you can do!

    Deny! Deny! Deny!

    Can we stop the stupid fucking nonsense about temperature vs heat content now please? Those of us who understand the amount of energy involved in raising the 0 – 2000m ocean layer by 0.09 (not 0.06C) are really, really fed up with the childish fucking around with units to make it seem a small matter.

    Those of you who still don’t understand the trick here can now fuck off. The rest of you are just lying with numbers and you know that we know what you are doing, so you can fuck off too.

    Let’s move on. Make an effort, you lazy, tedious bastards. Please find something new to lie about.

    Thanks!

  27. #27 Lotharsson
    September 29, 2013

    Curry’s solution is that we should not hear any more about the problems we’re busily manufacturing.

    Perhaps that’s where the Abbott government got its approach to inconvenient facts (1/2 ;-) )

  28. #28 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    Beginner pupil Lionel

    Education for you on Temperature

    Historically, there are several scientific approaches to the explanation of temperature: the classical thermodynamic description based on macroscopic empirical variables that can be measured in a laboratory; the kinetic theory of gases which relates the macroscopic description to the probability distribution of the energy of motion of gas particles; and a microscopic explanation based on statistical physics and quantum mechanics. In addition, rigorous and purely mathematical treatments have provided an axiomatic approach to classical thermodynamics and temperature.[55] Statistical physics provides a deeper understanding by describing the atomic behavior of matter, and derives macroscopic properties from statistical averages of microscopic states, including both classical and quantum states. In the fundamental physical description, using natural units, temperature may be measured directly in units of energy. However, in the practical systems of measurement for science, technology, and commerce, such as the modern metric system of units, the macroscopic and the microscopic descriptions are interrelated by the Boltzmann constant, a proportionality factor that scales temperature to the microscopic mean kinetic energy.

    The microscopic description in statistical mechanics is based on a model that analyzes a system into its fundamental particles of matter or into a set of classical or quantum-mechanical oscillators and considers the system as a statistical ensemble of microstates. As a collection of classical material particles, temperature is a measure of the mean energy of motion, called kinetic energy, of the particles, whether in solids, liquids, gases, or plasmas. The kinetic energy, a concept of classical mechanics, is half the mass of a particle times its speed squared. In this mechanical interpretation of thermal motion, the kinetic energies of material particles may reside in the velocity of the particles of their translational or vibrational motion or in the inertia of their rotational modes. In monoatomic perfect gases and, approximately, in most gases, temperature is a measure of the mean particle kinetic energy. It also determines the probability distribution function of the energy. In condensed matter, and particularly in solids, this purely mechanical description is often less useful and the oscillator model provides a better description to account for quantum mechanical phenomena. Temperature determines the statistical occupation of the microstates of the ensemble. The microscopic definition of temperature is only meaningful in the thermodynamic limit, meaning for large ensembles of states or particles, to fulfill the requirements of the statistical model.

    In the context of thermodynamics, the kinetic energy is also referred to as thermal energy. The thermal energy may be partitioned into independent components attributed to the degrees of freedom of the particles or to the modes of oscillators in a thermodynamic system. In general, the number of these degrees of freedom that are available for the equipartitioning of energy depend on the temperature, i.e. the energy region of the interactions under consideration. For solids, the thermal energy is associated primarily with the vibrations of its atoms or molecules about their equilibrium position. In an ideal monatomic gas, the kinetic energy is found exclusively in the purely translational motions of the particles. In other systems, vibrational and rotational motions also contribute degrees of freedom.

  29. #29 chek
    September 29, 2013

    Boris, why waste time copying and pasting stuff you don’t understand from Wiki when you could be doing that chicken thing you do?

  30. #30 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    Boris/Freddy/Kai/Berendwanker lunatic troll

    Let’s begin your education in physical climatology.

    Climate basic #1:

    The troposphere ≠ the climate system.

    Your obsession with surface/tropospheric temperature is misplaced. It accounts for only a small fraction of the climate system as a whole. Your “analysis” is rubbish and your conclusions are wrong.

  31. #31 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    And what chek said. We have waited too long for the chicken dance and farted arrangement of Waltzing Matilda. Even Mrs BBD has expressed an interest in seeing this, so get on down and, ahem, blow us all away!

    :-)

  32. #32 Olaus Petri
    September 29, 2013

    GSW, I believe Curry is a good candidate for a Nobel Price, in climate or peace.

    Or why not in medicine and physiology, for her excellent work stopping the global lobal warming disease? ;-)

  33. #33 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    Ha! You just gotta love these clown shoes,

    maybe Curry will also be the recipient of a Nobel prize pin, made of gold recovered from a physics experiment, by some Emeritus Professor of Physics at some university.

  34. #34 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    Boorish, all that C&P verbiage at #28 and are you still any the wiser as to how temperature alone dose not quantify how much heat there is in a system?

    Explain in your own words.

    Then answer the question re satellite temperature measurement.

    Waiting,

    waiting…

  35. #35 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    check, who has asked you?

    Nobody!

    Hence, shut up with your insolence!!

  36. #36 Boris
    September 29, 2013

    @34

    Easy, fuckwit: satellites don’t measure temperatures.

    ONLY you leper islanders believe that any satellite measures temperatures.

    Temperatures are measured with THERMOMETERS!!

    THERMOMETERS!!!!
    THERMOMETERS!!!!
    THERMOMETERS!!!!
    THERMOMETERS!!!!
    THERMOMETERS!!!!

    You understand???????

    THERMOMETERS!!!!

    I know, you CAGW leper islanders HATE thermometers, especially those which measure temperatures 2m above the surface (READ the IPCC Reports: you Doltoid idiots). because these temperature measurement devies don’t show what the insane catastrophists WANT to see.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! They hate thermometers, the CAGW fuckwits here

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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  37. #37 Rednose
    September 29, 2013

    Those of us who understand the amount of energy involved in raising the 0 – 2000m ocean layer OHC by 0.02% are really, really fed up with the chicken little fucking around with units to make it seem a large matter in order to raise alarm

    There. Fixed it.

  38. #38 chek
    September 29, 2013

    Now that’s the chicken dance we like to see Boris.
    Totally looney-toon.

  39. #39 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    No, Rednoise, you are one of the fuckwitted buffoons who doesn’t understand the basic physics. In spite of repeated explanations you have failed to grasp the topic, which is why it is now time for you to fuck off. Your continued, loud advertisement of your own essential stupidity is both redundant and tedious.

    Time to move on.

  40. #40 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    Notice how the farting chicken completely blanked #30?

    Because #30 is the end of the line for the dishonest “no warming since…” claim. It’s the end of the line for those who’s understanding of the climate system is too limited to discuss the effects of a sustained radiative balance, let alone comprehend the way they manifest within the climate system as a whole.

    In summary, #30 is the end of the line for clueless, posturing, denier buffoons.

  41. #41 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    Here’s a pretty picture for those having difficulty grasping that the troposphere is only a small part of the climate system.

    Try to think of it like this. See the energy accumulate! See where it is accumulating! Think about the specific heat of water vs the atmosphere!

    RTFL!

    Think about the flux of energy into and out of the climate system as a whole! Think like a physical climatologist!

    There. Easy!

    ;-)

  42. #42 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    Freddy needs a does of his med’s.

    Hint Boorish I gave you a gift and you missed it, got it now?

    So how are temperatures measurements by satellites?

    It ain’t thermometers.

  43. #43 chek
    September 29, 2013

    Redarse, did you notice the NOAA figures shown previously for the energy in the oceans in the year of the super atmospheric warming phase of ENSO in1998 and the current energy stored

    What do you make of that for when the next warming phase arrives – or hasn’t Montford told you what to think yet?

  44. #44 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    On that no warming thing here look at this you doubters:

    http://imageshack.us/a/img69/9159/hpi.gif

    source here.

    Note to SunKrank, that is what you should do when dropping in a graph unannounced

    Which will bring me onto old von Storch, who was made much of by others around here for some strange reason.

  45. #45 joni
    September 29, 2013

    Boris

    Do you know who put the thermometer in the sun to measure it’s temperature?

  46. #46 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    #45

    Splendid question for Kai/Freddy/Boris/Beredwanker lunatic troll!

    May I play too?

    Who put the thermometers in outer space and measured the fading glow of the Big Bang?

    ;-)

  47. #47 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    von Storch much admired by some in the ‘peanut gallery’ here has been pronouncing outside of the box and in that latest RC IPCC thread there are two very good rebuttals of Storch.

    The first comment is by one similar to those who are represented by one late departed from here, Cool Hand though he was:

    41 Adam Gallon 28 September 2013 at 2:31 PM pay attention to the reply in green,

    then on the next page we see:

    56 from (the ever sensible & informed) Ray Ladbury 29 Sep 2013 at 7:34 AM.

    von Storch’s contention is highly problematic because he doesn’t bother to even give enough data that his study could be replicated or even enough that his probabilistic reasoning could be tested.

    Do you see, von Storch is working outside of the box.

    It would be instructive for most of our peanut gallery to read through more articles, and comments, at RC for then, if their brains aren’t too far gone, they will get a feeling for how ridiculous their little circle-jerks are.

  48. #48 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    BBD #41

    Very good, you are making it easy for them. All they need now is to find out the mass of the atmosphere and of the water in the oceans. There are also limnic (spell doesn’t like that one) systems and a few other complications but a ball-park figure would give them a clues as to why SinKrank is toast.

  49. #49 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    #47 Lionel A

    Ray Ladbury’s comment at RC is well worth repeating here. I hope he won’t mind my doing this:

    von Storch’s contention is highly problematic because he doesn’t bother to even give enough data that his study could be replicated or even enough that his probabilistic reasoning could be tested. There are many ways in which one could phrase the problem that would yield dramatically different answers:

    1)What is the probability that a 15 year interval yields no significant rise? The probability here might in fact be low.

    2)What is that probability that some 15 year interval selected within a 50 year window would yield no significant rise? The probability here would be substantially higher.

    3)What is the probability of a 15 year interval beginning with a huge-assed El Nino and ending with two good-sized La Ninas would yield an insignificant rise? The probability here would be damn near close to 1.

    The significance of the event which the denialists trumpet as their one solid piece of evidence is really only evidence of their delusion.

  50. #50 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    I would especially like to draw certain commenters attention to Ray Ladbury’s (3):

    <blockquote<3)What is the probability of a 15 year interval beginning with a huge-assed El Nino and ending with two good-sized La Ninas would yield an insignificant rise? The probability here would be damn near close to 1.

    Meanwhile, energy continues to accumulate in the climate system as expected. See #30 #40 and #41 above.

  51. #51 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    Oh FFS. Sodding html.

    3)What is the probability of a 15 year interval beginning with a huge-assed El Nino and ending with two good-sized La Ninas would yield an insignificant rise? The probability here would be damn near close to 1.

  52. #52 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    Cripes, did we invite one of our resident loons to go there to RC and comment at Page 2 #58.

  53. #53 BBD
    September 29, 2013

    That does look a bit like Boris/Freddy/Kai/Berendwanker lunatic troll!

    I don’t think he’ll last long! The Borehole beckons! And then the standard-issue whine about “RC moderation isn’t faaair!”

    ;-)

  54. #54 Lionel A
    September 29, 2013

    And, whadda you know?

    That comment by Moose made me think of Bill O’Rielly immediately but I drew back from making such an obvious comparison and now somebody has done it for me.

    The muppets here just don’t realise how aware of the denial machine and those engaged in such we are, and have been aware for so long. The muppets show a remarkable aptitude (sarc’) for knowing both climates science and the history of its denial. Good at self awareness too (more sarc’).

  55. #55 Bernard J.
    September 29, 2013

    I think that the FreddyKai puppeteer is a Poe. A sick one, and perhaps an unintentional one, but a Poe nonethless.

    At A Few Things Ill-considered he apparates as a creationist on the evolution threads; when the subject is climate he focuses on that. I’ve tried a few times to lure out the Creationsit here but he seems uncharacteristically uninterested – his game seems to be to play to the audience and not actually to his “beliefs”.

    I think that this sicko simply needs the attention, the response. He may or may not believe the tripe he pushes (although it would be disturbing if someone really was that stupid) but the important thing for him is to get the replies.

  56. #56 Jeff Harvey
    September 29, 2013

    “GSW, I believe Curry is a good candidate for a Nobel Price, in climate or peace”

    Now there’s a comical slip up from dumb ol’ Olaus if ever there was one. A Nobel PRICE. Sure, I’ll bet Curry would charge the think tanks a high price for her services as a ‘qualified’ shill. On this basis she’d sure merit a Nobel ‘Price’.

  57. #57 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    Here is the full AR5 on September 30, as announced by the IPCC:

    €$£££$£¥¥$££££

    Technical Summary
    Introduction
    Observations: Atmosphere and Surface
    Observations: Ocean
    Observations: Cryosphere
    Information from Paleoclimate Archives
    Carbon and Other Biogeochemical Cycles
    Clouds and Aerosols
    Anthropogenic and Natural Radiative Forcing
    Evaluation of Climate Models
    Detection and Attribution of Climate Change: from Global to Regional
    Near-term Climate Change: Projections and Predictability
    Long-term Climate Change: Projections, Commitments and Irreversibility
    Sea Level Change
    Climate Phenomena and their Relevance for Future Regional Climate Change
    Annex I: Atlas of Global and Regional Climate Projections
    Annex II: Glossary
    Annex III: Acronyms and Regional Abbreviations
    Annex IV: List of Authors
    Annex V: List of Reviewers

    £$£¥£$£¥¥$£¥£££

    Just a list of headlines without any further information.

    WHAT A MESS !!!

    THEY HAVE LIED !!!!!!!

    :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

  58. #58 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    @Harvey

    YOU ARE A NASTY TWERP, FULL OF COMLEXES OF MINORITY AND INCREDIBLE HATRED TO DECENT SCIENTISTS.

    “GSW, I believe Curry is a good candidate for a Nobel Price, in climate or peace”

    Now there’s a comical slip up from dumb ol’ Olaus if ever there was one. A Nobel PRICE. Sure, I’ll bet Curry would charge the think tanks a high price for her services as a ‘qualified’ shill. On this basis she’d sure merit a Nobel ‘Price’.

  59. #59 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    The reality is that temperatures have been flat since 2001, which was a neutral ENSO year. http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to:2013/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to:2013

    RSS satellite data actually shows a drop in temperature since 1998, not the small (and statistically insignificant) amount shown by HADCRUT4.
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1998/to:2013/trend/plot/rss/from:1998/to:2013

    The cooling trend is quite obvious http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1941/to:1979/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1941/to:2013/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/to:2001/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2001/to:2013/trend it definitely seems as though co2 is an insignificant factor in temperature record.

  60. #60 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    Boris, JeFfErY is just a salesman for a company called Environmental Services and really has not a clue, he often confuses climate and weather.

    I think he sold secondhand cars and vacuum cleaners previously :)

  61. #61 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    In addition, twerp BBD is unable to grasp that THE ONLY measure that counts regarding post-normal “climatology” IS:

    MEAN GLOBAL TEMPERATURE 2 METERS ABOVE THE SURFACE!!

    Without a mean global temperature the moron bollocks about “climate change”, “sustainability”, ‘biodiversity” and all the other shitty crap from mentally disabled eco fundamentalists would not exist in public awareness and be completely irrelevant.

    BUT, BBD IS BY FAR TOO STUPID TO CATCH THIS WITH HIS SPOILED GREEN COMMUNIST BRAIN WHICH HATES THE ECONOMY AND GENEREL WELFARE

    BBD IS A FZVKNG ASSHOKE

  62. #62 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    Karen, YES

  63. #63 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    BBD’s first contact with green groups was when he was sunbathing on the beach, at high tide they came and rolled him into the water… lol

  64. #64 rhwombat
    September 30, 2013

    Bernard:
    You are absolutely on the money. The Socktroll is a not-very-bright-but-IT-literate basement-dweller with what used to be called narcissistic personality disorder, but has now been recoded. Neither psychotropic medication nor psychotherapy are of much use, and most “treatment” is involuntary, consisting of banging them up in penal systems and forensic institutions after their actions cross to many lines (eg Breivik).

    These people are usually too stupid and/or detectible to end up in positions where the truly psychopathic narcissists wreak their havoc (mainly large corporations, religions/cults & the odd nation state), so the lesser NPDs tend to ply their pathology on blogs such as WTFUWT & Bishop Shill – or here. In the absence of a moderator, the only thing to do is ignore them completely and wait for their internal emptiness to look elsewhere for new victims.

  65. #65 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    I can easily visualize womby throwing a tamtrum in the lolly isle.

  66. #66 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    rehombat, are you sure about your “psychiatric” diagnosis about the barcusstuc derangements of the CAGW leper islanders here, as you have admitted to be only a venereal disease “doctor”. Therefore you are maybe a specialist for syphilis or gonorrhea but not for other shit. Therefore you are a degusting pre-clinical shit twerp full of left eco ideology crap.

    Piss-off, you bastard

  67. #67 rhwombat
    September 30, 2013

    Spam, on the other hand, doesn’t have the mental equipment necessary for a personality disorder, let alone a narcissistic one. It’s just a cheap & nasty pseudo bot for Randroid propaganda, which aspires to be mistaken for a real pre-pubescent Vally Girl (a la the Blessed Francisco Zappa & the Mothers). Best to ignore, ’cause it’s as useful as a roomful of Toady Rabbott’s ministers/Murdoch Hacks.

  68. #68 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    Doctor syphilis

    can you explain, plse, the difference between measles and carbon dioxide, as all the CAGW leper islanders lack this knowledge?

    :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:

  69. #69 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    hahaha, you CAGW nutters

    I CAN program easily a cms system much better than this weirdpress shit here, BUT YOU TWERPS CANNOT

    hahahahaha, I am infinitely better than you, because YOU CANNOT, POOR UNTALENTED LEPER ISLANDERS

    :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:

  70. #70 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    The global warming ‘pause’ has now lasted for almost 17 years and shows no sign of ending – despite the unexplained failure of climate scientists’ computer models to predict it.

    In 2009, Professor Phil Jones, head of the East Anglia University Climatic Research Unit, said in a leaked ‘Climategate’ email: ‘Bottom line: the no upward trend has to continue for a total of 15 years before our lies are disproven.’

  71. #71 Jeff Harvey
    September 30, 2013

    …”he often confuses climate and weather”

    Heck, that’s a laugh coming form you, Karen, you nitwit. Talk about pot, kettle, black. You’ve been confabulating weather and climate ever since you arrived here, as evidenced by many of your posts. And you still don’t remotely understand the relationship between scale in terms of a geology and a human lifetime.

    I think most of us here on this blog have had it up to here with your willful ignorance and Boris’ psychopathic outbursts. Its time that you were both banned from here.

  72. #72 Nick
    September 30, 2013

    #70 Jones did not say that. You really are an abysmally stupid liar, Kaz.

  73. #73 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    Just tapping the glass on the fish bowl Nickie :)

  74. #74 Karen
    September 30, 2013

    Did any of the little fishies work out how the oceans are going to fry the planet?

    0.06 deg C in 55 yrs…………. lol

  75. #75 Nick
    September 30, 2013

    #73, even your goldfish know you are a liar?

  76. #76 rhwombat
    September 30, 2013

    (Will not succumb. Will not succumb…Bugger, I just can’t resist):
    Spambot@#73…from the inside, I presume?

  77. #77 rhwombat
    September 30, 2013

    (Will not succumb. Will not succumb…Bugger, I just can’t resist):
    Spambot@#73…from the inside, I presume?

  78. #78 Lionel A
    September 30, 2013

    And the legal aids for Phil Jones may sit up and take notice of your liebel at #70 (yes I know, and not a typo) and not in a way that you would enjoy.

  79. #79 FrankD
    September 30, 2013

    Karen/Sunspot @ 59.

    You’ll have to argue with Freddie/Kai about the RSS measurements, since he stated flatly that

    ONLY you leper islanders believe that any satellite measures temperatures.

    As I’m sure you know RSS “data” is a model output. You hate models, don’t you?

    Nothing like deniers for consistency. Or more accurately, lack of consistency…lol.

  80. #80 FrankD
    September 30, 2013

    Damn you Chek @ #38. Now whenever Freddie/Kai posts I hear this.

    Which makes his posts more fun than they should be…

  81. #81 Lotharsson
    September 30, 2013

    The global warming ‘pause’ has now lasted for almost 17 years and shows no sign of ending…

    …says Karen after posting a graph showing a slight cooling trend since 2001.

    Arithmetic. How the fuck does it work?

    (And never mind the graphs that showed Karen it has been warming over the last 17 years. Karen will simply pretend they don’t exist and Karen definitely didn’t see them, because Karen’s purpose here is to disseminate lies.)

  82. #82 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    FrankD

    you are a spendid example of a typical CAGW scientology church member with a rather weird and pervert sense of “humour”!

    It is really very revealing of the totally fanatic and low-intellect mental state of the warming lunatics that they lack completely any sense of humour and wit. These poor fuckwit sausages are just stubbornly fanatic, completely devoid of any relevant knowledge and of a disgustingly primitive, mouth-foul language which is a shame for civilized citizens.

  83. #83 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    Lotharsson, please allow me to politely tell you that are an absolutely terribly stinking super asshole among your green eco fundamentalist warming twerps.

    All now: It’s always Lotharsson’s farts which smell worst ….

    Now, poor Lotharsson, you as somebody devoid of any significant skills and physical attractiveness (it’s always masturbation) you can piss off and try to lead a decent life, you fuckwitting twerp

    All now: It’s always Lotharsson’s farts which smell worst ….

    All now: It’s always Lotharsson’s farts which smell worst ….

    All now: It’s always Lotharsson’s farts which smell worst ….

    :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:

    All now: It’s always Lotharsson’s farts which smell worst ….

  84. #84 Jeff Harvey
    September 30, 2013

    Boris/Kai/Berendaneke etc.

    Your rank obnoxiousness on Deltoid will not be lasting much longer. Enjoy being the slimeball that you are while time lasts. I have no idea from under which rock you crawled but let us hope you can be put back under there – indefinitely. Congratulations for being the most vile, disgusting idiotic person I have yet encountered on the internet. Its people like you that make me realize what a sorry predicament our species is in. If you are an example of hominid evolution representing a metaphoric ‘pinnacle’, then no wonder humanity probably won’t survive more than a century or two more. Thankfully, in my scientific career you are found in the primordial ooze of intellectual discourse. In other words, you are the bottom feeder among bottom feeders.

    I am sure that makes you beam with pride.

  85. #85 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    @Harvey

    you secondhand car dealer and vacuum cleaner seller,

    I have never met in my entire life such a disgustinglyvstinking over-arrogant fuckng arselick who you are who erroneously thinks that he is something special on the one hand and is at the same time such an ugly loser and underperformer.

    All now: Also Harvey is a stinking arselick !

    All now: Also Harvey is a stinking arselick !

    All now: Also Harvey is a stinking arselick !

    I am sure you fuckwit will soon be banned as you are a shame even for your leper island brothers, you fuckn asshole

    All again now: Also Harvey is a stinking arselick !
    All again and again now: Also Harvey is a stinking arselick !

    :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:

  86. #86 Wow
    September 30, 2013

    Jezuz fucking christ, these denier trolls are fucking annoying.

    What the hell do they do all day other than wank over being insulted on the internet?

    Totally fifteen-year-olds “manning up” by aggroing the grown ups.

    Tim, however, couldn’t give a shit. This is their place now, and Tim has let them stay with open arms.

  87. #87 Boris
    September 30, 2013

    Wow, you pig

    just shut up and piss of if you twerp can’t anything of substance

    All now: Wow clown, shut up and piss off!
    All now: Wow clown, shut up and piss off!
    All now: Wow clown, shut up and piss off!

    Heard? Fuckwit, Wow?

    All now: Wow clown, shut up and piss off!
    All now: Wow clown, shut up and piss off!
    All now: Wow clown, shut up and piss off!

    :evil: :evil: :evil:

  88. #89 Stu
    September 30, 2013

    I CAN program easily a cms system much better than this weirdpress shit here, BUT YOU TWERPS CANNOT

    Two lies in one sentence! Ah, Freddy, you never fail to disappoint.

    Now fuck off and take your meds.

  89. #90 Bernard J.
    September 30, 2013

    Jakerman! Long time no see!

    Welcome back.

  90. #91 Rednose
    September 30, 2013

    Great post over at Jo Novas.

    IPCC in denial. “Just-so” excuses use ocean heat to hide their failure.

    BBD will love it.

    http://joannenova.com.au/2013/09/ipcc-in-denial-just-so-excuses-use-mystery-ocean-heat-to-hide-their-failure/#more-30903

    2. The oceans are supposedly 0.06 C warmer than 50 years ago (but we can’t really measure the global ocean temperature to a hundreth of a degree).

    The first point of deception is that temperature is measured in degrees, but the Climate-change Industry always report ocean temperatures in Joules. This hides the obvious problem — we just can’t measure the global ocean temperature that accurately.

    Before 2003 there is only sparse irregular measurements with everything from buckets off boats to thermometers fired into the water and usually without pressure sensors (we estimated how deep they were from how long they’d been falling…not much room for precision there). Much of the ocean wasn’t covered, and there were almost no readings below 700m (the average depth of oceans is 4km).

    We’ve only had decent measurements of the ocean since mid-2003 when the ARGO system started. But even these measurements are considerably less certain than often claimed, and they didn’t find the missing energy anyway (see point 4).

    You read it here first on Deltoid folks. LoL

  91. #92 jakerman
    September 30, 2013

    Hi Bernard, thanks for the welcome :)

  92. #93 Nick
    September 30, 2013

    #91, Redface, so Nova is a foaming non-entity reduced to recycling arguments from incredulity, or misdirection? That’s hardly news.

  93. #94 Lionel A
    September 30, 2013

    Argh!

    FrankD I should have know better than clink that ‘song’ link at #80. That one started doing the rounds at the back end of 1970 as we were exiting the Med’ on our way home after many exercises in that sea and the Arctic before that. Those in charge of ‘light entertainment’ on the carrier, that is as a rest from deck prangs and other excitements such as colliding with the Russian navy, were playing that with monotonous regularity. Having got ashore on Majorca we thought we had escaped – fat chance, the first ‘watering hole’ we visited were playing it end over end’. Aaaaargh!

    Here is freddy/Boris/Kai/BrokenNeck’s other song. Kai eh! Not a Kai A??????? by any chance? I used to know one of those who was clever with bits and bytes but who went rogue about everything else in life. Teletext MODE mean anything to you?

  94. #95 Lionel A
    September 30, 2013

    RedNoise, you really need to brush up on a few physics things for then reading this:

    The first point of deception is that temperature is measured in degrees, but the Climate-change Industry always report ocean temperatures in Joules.

    you would understand that Jo Nova is another idjit who does not understand that TEMPERATURE is not HEAT!

    Sheesh, you plonker, you only have to follow this thread from early on to have realised that and also that SunKrank still doesn’t despite many attempts at enlightenment.

    Now that one cockup by Nova should tell you all you need to know, she is about on the same level as Joe Bastardi and he adopted loony tunes long ago.

  95. #96 Lotharsson
    September 30, 2013

    Jakerman returns with more classic commentary :-)

  96. #97 jakerman
    September 30, 2013

    ;)

  97. #98 Stu
    September 30, 2013

    Sorry to pile on, but for fuck’s sake, Rednose.

    but the Climate-change Industry always report ocean temperatures in Joules.

    Temperature is not heat. Weight is not mass. MW is not MWh. She’s a moronic shill; you are just a moron. And again, that is a statement of fact.

    Also note totes professional MSPaint addition of “What switched the ocean on?” in the same post.

  98. #99 Rednose
    September 30, 2013

    #98

    Temperature is not heat.

    Agreed, its probably a typo and should have read:
    “but the Climate-change Industry always report ocean heat content in joules”
    More scary.
    There are a few spelling mistakes as well, unless you Aussies are developing your own languge like the Yanks.
    But the heat is still missing and there is lots to explain.
    Why not go over and get stuck in. Put her right.

  99. #100 Rednose
    September 30, 2013

    thats language