September 2013 Open Thread

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  1. #1 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #92 Nick

    Sometimes I wish TL would! I’d waste less time with certifiable window-lickers like FreddyBerendanekeBorisKaiSockpuppetMaster…

  2. #2 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    Sausage, what you think of as a “helpless appeal to authority” is what non-loons classify as “referenced and supported argument”.

    What *you* do is generally regarded as “unhinged ravings”, sometimes described in clinical terms as “symptoms”.

  3. #3 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @96, no you loonies appeal to authority because

    – you are weak in character, intellect, argument etc.
    – you are utterly impolite
    – you have no knowledge in meteorology

    Why do you think that Tim may give in your appeal to authority?

    Because you idiot think

    – you have more rights here?
    – that this page is green leftie territory?

    Take your meds and behave like a real man, not as a whining child

  4. #4 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    BBD clown :evil:

    How many stations are covered by the GHCN database, your holy sanctuary of your CAGW church?

    Answer this, clown :evil: !!!!!!!

  5. #5 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    Um, you still don’t seem to have achieved self-awareness, Sausage!

    And, Sausage, I’ve been accused of many things in my time, but weakness of character and intellect and poor argumentative skills – never!

    :-)

  6. #6 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    No! Because it’s irrelevant! How about you wake up to the fact that you can demonstrate this by a comparison of any gridded GAT reconstruction you like to TLT satellite data? But I think this is rather beyond your fabulously limited intellectual horizon.

    Even with a simple graph to help your stunted little brain along!

  7. #7 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @99 undescribable narcist, you stinking sausage :evil:

  8. #8 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    There are, of course, a few other indicators that the climate system is warming – OHC increase, glacial mass balance loss, Arctic sea ice volume loss, GIS and WAIS mass balance change etc.

    The sure sign of a limited intellect engaging in a weak argument is hyper-focus on irrelevancies. It’s where losers go when they have lost and they know it.

    :-)

  9. #9 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    That’s “narcissist”, Sausage!

  10. #10 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    Mind you, at least you can spell “barbecue”, which is more than many can claim. In fact your spelling is fascinating. You get many quite difficult words correct but sound like your English was learned in a Warsaw gutter. You are a puzzle, Sausage.

  11. #11 Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    I agree, it’s well past time Berendaneke was honoured with his own thread.

  12. #12 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #97…Emoti-boy, you have demonstrated zip knowledge in this field, you are tediously abusive and have lost the right to respect,and your arguments are worse than weak, they are absolutely non-existent. NON_EXISTENT. You seem unaware of this. This is the basis for the reasonable conclusion that you are barking mad,and unable to change your behavior. So it’s easy to see you should leave,and I doubt you’ll volunteer to do so….

    “Why do you think Tim will give in [to] your appeal to authority?” you ask… I don’t ‘think’ Tim will ‘give in’, he may agree and ban you. I have no idea whether he will, and have no expectations. I have not made an ‘appeal to authority’, I have made a request to the blog-owner. This seems to be the right sort of person to make that sort of request to, you might agree…

    Real men/women/animals/fixtures need relief from lunatics like yourself, no matter how unintentionally amusing you are. You are like a child up past bedtime,over-excited,repetitive and getting tearful.

    Are you brave enough to leave?

  13. #13 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @BBD clown, you can stop your nutter bollocks, as everybody can see your weak stance in the one and only relevant measure of your holy CAGW church:

    The calculation of the mean global temperature. Everything else is irrelevant or secondary to base your ideology of CAGW. You must accept this, as all your church saints which you have to adore argue with the global temperature, you fuckwit.ä

    Global temperature is not irrelevant, sausage fuckwit :evil:, but central.

    And global temperature is caculated usung the values of the GHCN database, BBD sausage fuqwit :evil:!!!

    Therefore your relentless rejection of basic education and accumlation of elementary knowledge about the global temperature cannot be tolerated. Therefore you must undergo basic instruction in order that you learn how idiotic your attitudes until now are, you narcistic sausage :evil:

    1. question to answer: How many station data are used to calculate the global temperature?

    Answer this, clown :evil:!!!!!!

  14. #14 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @6 arrogant arselick

    You think you have more rights than others, you SS rightwing nutter without education and manners.

    And you define, who is abusive or a real man, you nutter. And it’s your priority right to offend and violare others, but when you undergo an attack than it’s untolerable.

    You have not participated for quite some time, come as of a sudden and complain ?

    Piss of you loonie, nobody misses you here

  15. #15 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #8…priceless! What attack have you mounted? You idiot, you’re boring us to death!. As for participation, you’re free to start anytime you like; covering yourself with shit and piss on the sidelines must be lonely!

  16. #16 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #5 Lotharsson

    I have gone so far as to ask TL in comments *several times* now, but he is deaf to our pleas!

    Perhaps if we all did it, twice a day? What do you think?

  17. #17 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @9 you clown appear to consider yourself intelligent, but you are not!

    How many stations are covered by the GHCN database, you bigmouth without basis?

    Answer, moron!

  18. #18 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    Fuck, I am getting fed up with this shit, Freddy:

    @BBD clown, you can stop your nutter bollocks, as everybody can see your weak stance in the one and only relevant measure of your holy CAGW church:

    The calculation of the mean global temperature.

    Can somebody else try to explain to this swivel-eyed loon why the number of stations in GHCN is irrelevant?

    Keyword: “STRAWMAN”, Freddy.

  19. #19 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    Leper islanders plea to daddy for relief from the devil sausage

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

    Why for God’s sake shoud Tim listen to YOU leper islanders??

    To provide peace to leper island against foreign intruders.

    My recommendation to you as a recipee:

    1. Learn decent behavior

    2. Abstain from constant claims to authority

    3. Learn what objective thinking means

    4. Learn tolerance

    5. Learn that scientific consensus is of zero value

  20. #20 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #11 …why don’t you tell me, if it helps you move on to the point you’re dying to make?

  21. #21 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    BBD clown :evil:

    Why the hell are you so unwilling to provide a simple figure??

    It’s not this difficult as you imagine. And it IS relevant, believe me, moron!

  22. #22 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    Why for God’s sake shoud Tim listen to YOU leper islanders??

    Because we are not insane, Freddy. Nor are we serially violating the rules here by using an array of socks.

  23. #23 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    It’s not this difficult as you imagine. And it IS relevant, believe me, moron!

    I know the answer, Sausage. I also know a strawman argument when I see one!

    If you think it is relevant, then develop your argument properly.

    Explain why the number of stations is relevant.

    Go on.

  24. #24 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    And answer #14 Nick.

    Provide the number, since you seem to feel that it is central to your position.

    Start saying something. Develop your argument. I do it constantly here, so if unsure how to proceed, look back over some of my previous comments for pointers.

  25. #25 Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    Perhaps if we all did it, twice a day? What do you think?

    Not sure if he’s reading the comments these days. Maybe if you find his e-mail address, or construct a comment that will get stuck in the moderation filter? He really needs to appoint a moderator if he’s not going to do it himself.

  26. #26 chameleon
    September 12, 2013

    Hmmmmm?
    Moderator/s/Tim?
    Why am I sidelined from this open thread and this Berendaneke character is not?
    At the very least I am able to create more text than abuse & emoticons.

  27. #27 chameleon
    September 12, 2013

    And BTW Lotharsson at comment 82 on the past comment page is still being a crashing bore.
    He has completely failed to recognise that Luke of the changing avatars and Stu 2 are more likely to be his/her allies rather than his/her enemies.
    About time that Lotharsson takes a peek into his own mirror.

  28. #28 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘Politicians have to show better judgement….Jensen fails.’

    Only from your perspective, from the Denialati’s viewpoint, he would make an excellent candidate for Science Minister.

    Abbott has given the nod for Jensen to fly a kite, to observe public reaction. If there is no criticism, apart from the watermelon brigade, its probably a done deal.

    Bob Carter could then become Chief Scientist.

  29. #29 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    Would you make Australia the laughing stock of the world? Is that what you want, Gordy?

    Do you hate your country so much?

  30. #30 Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    …from the Denialati’s viewpoint, he would make an excellent candidate for Science Minister.

    Which superbly illustrates why he would make a very poor Science minister – about as acceptable as a Health minister who believes HIV doesn’t cause AIDS and faith healing works.

  31. #31 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #20.Bob would fail a probity test, having lied about his funding sources. He would also be rejected by the scientific community.

    If Jensen was made science minister, there would be serious push back from the science community. It’s more likely the Libs will go for a lawyer,rather than the loose cannon Jensen….however Australia’s politics is in at an intellectual low point at the moment,so he can’t be ruled out.

  32. #32 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘Would you make Australia the laughing stock of the world?’

    Everyone will be laughing, partly from embarrassment at how easily they were tricked into thinking CO2 caused global warming.

    Our revolutionary leader will pull down the curtain on this sham act and the world will be shocked. He is not charismatic in the sense that Max Weber portrayed, but a refreshing new Senate will assist in destroying the carbon tax.

    By a fortunate coincidence the Senate will probably deny him his Direct Action Plan DAP. Which would be good, it was always a dumb idea and a complete waste of money pandering to the brainwashed masses.

  33. #33 Luke
    September 12, 2013

    Lotharsson – “your claim to be coming here to try and resolve your list of “issues” is a distinctly sub-optimal strategy”

    Well excuse moi – I simply thought a group of difficult contemporary AGW issues might have got some discussion besides a Gatling gun barrage of “done it before”, “you haven’t read it”, “Let’s discredit you (BBD fave)”, ” in league with deniers”, “Shilling” etc.
    Then there was “no references” followed by those “references are crap”.
    Then guilt trips by save-the-world eco-Jeff.
    And probably an interesting but nonetheless off-topic “you’ll be sorry” by the paleo obsessed BBD.

    Not very inspiring Lothy.

    Some of the sledging is very funny, but I just thought I would try the disgraceful vulgar Aussie bogan approach instead. Some say it’s a natural fit and it does work down the pub.

    So I guess you guys just want to sit here with pumped up chests spruiking appeal to authority and rest on that.

    Anyway it’s still all very helpful for my assignment on “Delusional psychosis among alpha-male climate change bloggers in temperate environments”

  34. #34 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #25

    Anyway it’s still all very helpful for my assignment

    Still away with the fairies, Walter.

    As for paleoclimate, it’s like history, Walter. Those who refuse to learn from it are likely to get a repeat. And please *try* to remember that argument from ignorance and argument from incredulity are logical fallacies.

    As usual, you are saying nothing.

  35. #35 chameleon
    September 12, 2013

    I am still amazed that you deltoids did not see that Luke was actually a friend when he first appeared.
    He has also retried on a few occaisions.
    You deltoids really are off with the fairies.
    Even the blog owner appears to have left you floundering.
    Let me spell this out for you deltoids.
    L.U.K.E. I.S. M.O.S.T. L.I.K.E.L.Y. Y.O.U.R. F.R.I.E.N.D! !!!!!!!!!
    I can’t believe how dense you are :-)

  36. #36 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #24 “Everyone..tricked into thinking CO2 causes global warming”…sounds easier than trying to educate them! Worth a try!

    I’m curious as to Abbott’s personal course. Has he ever shown any curiosity about the nuts and bolts of climate? Will he seek personal briefings from the Chief Scientist? Will he keep it at arms length, leave it to the Science minister to bring to Cabinet? Whatever… more likely they will minimise interaction with the CS, they’ve gotten on with their collapsing and defunding of the CC admin,and they judging the negative feedback will be handled in their favor by News Ltd.

    A ‘refreshing new senate’ featuring a guy who doesn’t understand stats,and thus recommends carrying hand guns… look out!

  37. #37 adelady
    September 12, 2013

    The calculation of the mean global temperature. Everything else is irrelevant or secondary to base your ideology of CAGW.

    Wrong. The prime measure of global warming is the incoming and outgoing radiation at the top of the atmosphere and calculating the difference to see whether there is balance or imbalance.

    The global atmospheric temperature is a reasonable, but inaccurate, measure of energy accumulating in the system. It’s possible, if physically incredible, that the energy imbalance could be positive and that every single joule was going into melting ice or being transferred into deep ocean a kilometre or more below the surface. In that case, there would be no atmospheric temperature change at all.

    As it happens, the system does function in accordance with what we know and that the energy imbalance is showing up in melting icesheets and in melting glaciers and in warming oceans down to 2000 metres, and in surface temperatures. We don’t know how much heat is accumulating in waters deeper than 2km, but it’s likely there’s some.

  38. #38 Lionel A
    September 12, 2013

    Did any others consider it rather revealing that freddy knows about the anti-psychosis drug Thioridazine. I leave it as an excersice for those that feel a need to look further to search for info on this drug but I did find these clarifying statements in one source,

    On Thioridazine, my emphasis:

    Therefore, it should be used only in patients who have not shown improvement with at least 2 other antipsychotic medications or who cannot tolerate other antipsychotic medications.

    My, my the evidence that freddy is suffering from mental health issues mounts. I feel sorry for the poor sod but that is no reason to continue tolerating his brand of strangeness (plenty of spin and colourful posts). Now I wonder if he realises the field of science referred to obliquely there.

  39. #39 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    We don’t know how much heat is accumulating in waters deeper than 2km, but it’s likely there’s some.

    Indeed we don’t, but we do know energy is accumulating in the abyssal ocean. Have you come across Purkey & Johnson (2010) Warming of Global Abyssal and Deep Southern Ocean Waters between the 1990s and 2000s: Contributions to Global Heat and Sea Level Rise Budget.? (Link is full text html).

    * * *

    Thank you very much for reminding us that TOA imbalance is where this starts and ends.

    :-)

  40. #40 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘Will he seek personal briefings from the Chief Scientist?’

    I think he will replace Chubb with Jensen as soon as possible, because Chubb is also on the Climate Change Authority.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_Change_Authority

  41. #41 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘replace Chubb with Jensen’

    I mean replace Chubb with someone like Carter.

  42. #42 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘Will he keep it at arms length, leave it to the Science minister to bring to Cabinet?’

    If Jensen is the new Minister he will.

  43. #43 chek
    September 12, 2013

    Everyone will be laughing, partly from embarrassment at how easily they were tricked into thinking CO2 caused global warming. Our revolutionary leader will pull down the curtain on this sham act and the world will be shocked.

    Well, there it is plain as plain. Gordon’s a conspiracy theorist and physics denying crank who thinks AGW is a massive hoax encompassing every National Science Academy and pretty much every university and government scientists in the field.

    You can’t waste time on such folk, as they’re not operating in the rational world. Although they will make perfect brownshirts for some demagogue or other, as their idea of evidence is only congruent with what they want or need to believe.

    God knows when they’ll realise they’ve been taken for a ride, if ever.

  44. #44 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    There is much to be done, apart from dismantling the tax they have to stop the renewable subsidy racket and sack thousands of public servants connected to the CC fraud.

  45. #45 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘AGW is a massive hoax encompassing every National Science Academy and pretty much every university and government scientists in the field.’

    Mass delusion.

  46. #46 chek
    September 12, 2013

    What a pity you can only make grand, bogus and unfounded claims about the fantasy world you live in Gordon.

    But that isn’t the world the rest of us live in, where hard reality is the result of physical processes occuring in the physical world.

  47. #47 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #31 Chubb’s 3 year term finishes end May 2014. Seriously, if Carter is actually considered an option, his involvement with Heartland will make it impossible. The connection is poison. Coalition is more likely to choose another medical research emeritus,steering away from earth science controversy. Or an ag. science person for the Nats.

  48. #48 chek
    September 12, 2013

    Mass delusion

    They’re just words to you Gordon.
    Words that mean you don’t have to think any further.
    You have of course got no suggestion for how such a mechanism might work, or why it should only target a very select group, or means of transmission, or indeed anything beyond your smug two-word phrase.

    Most telling of all is that you and the shonky network of cranks and frauds that you rely on for your alternate universe have no answer to the climate scientists’ case. Except that they’re suffering from ‘mass delusion’ of course.

    It’s cretinous.

  49. #49 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    In the short term Carter could take Chubb’s place on the board of the Climate Change Authority.

    Quiggin, Karoly and Hamilton should also be replaced.

    ‘The authority has a Board comprising nine members, headed by Bernie Fraser. Other members include Lynne Williams, David Karoly, Elana Rubin, Heather Ridout, John Marlay, John Quiggin, Ian Chubb and Clive Hamilton.’

  50. #50 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    ‘if Carter is actually considered an option, his involvement with Heartland will make it impossible.’

    Heartland is a not a problem for Abbott.

  51. #51 Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    I simply thought a group of difficult contemporary AGW issues might have got some discussion…

    It did get some. You summarily dismissed it, despite much of it being trenchant and your justifications for dismissal frequently being transparently bogus.

    But all of that is a convenient missing of my point, isn’t it (which is your favourite MO)? Your strategy for your alleged goal is sub-optimal. And yet you persist with it. Not here for the hunting…

  52. #52 Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    I mean replace Chubb with someone like Carter.

    Ah, just like replacing your dermatologist with your beauty consultant because “they both know about skin”.

    There are already incredulous articles appearing in the overseas press about Abbott’s election. That would be fodder for even more.

  53. #53 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    Chubb is an academic first and a scientist second, Carter is a scientist. Anyway, at this stage its pure speculation.

    More on the PMs scepticism.

    http://www.climatechangedispatch.com/11599-climate-scepticism-and-the-triumph-of-tony-abbott.html

  54. #54 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #41 Believe me,Heartland is… Carter lied about accepting money in his involvement with them…if Carter is thrust to prominence as CS, he will be a sitting duck…Abbott has better things to do with his time than try to brazen out such a political appointment of a liar in what is a marginal post by their intention…the tactic will be to go softly and make the CS invisible as possible. Carter would be the opposite.

  55. #55 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    Gordy, are you really so insulated from reality by your ideological hubris,still bristling with adrenalin? You can put down your torch and pitchfork,your party has office. In having office they are exposed to more reality than you. They have to work with the people who you can casually dismiss from your distance.

    And Chubb is a well-published researcher who became an administrator…a better rounded, more publicly experienced.and better regarded person than minor academic and deposed emeritus Carter.

    The Coalition have a lot to do and pissing away time on too many dodgy ideological appointments in general ,and defending an outrageously compromised one like a Carter in particular,is not necessary for them.

  56. #56 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    You do not understand Abbott, he has the bottle. What you are about to witness is a revolution in ideas.

  57. #57 chek
    September 12, 2013

    What you are about to witness is a revolution in ideas.

    No, I’d suggest what you’re about to witness is the shortfall of rhetoric which won the votes of mass delusional cretins when it hits the wall of reality.

  58. #58 Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    Chubb is an academic first and a scientist second…

    Er…what distinction do you draw between the two? You realise most research scientists are academics, because acadaemia is where most scientific research takes place?

    Carter is a scientist

    He has one – count them, ONE – climate science paper. It is widely considered to be one of the worst dozen or so climate science papers of all time.

    You and Carter are both providing another great illustration to Stu 2 of the difference between someone who has met the minimum bar for competence in climate science and someone who has not (and the someone who has not is insisting that those with demonstrated competence they are all wrong).

  59. #59 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    What you are about to witness is a revolution in ideas.

    Somehow, I doubt it, Gordy.

  60. #60 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #47, ‘a revolution of ideas’….ideas? LOL Actually I think Tony is hosing down his more skittish warriors. He’s certainly made public comments,clearly directed at his faithful,about inclusiveness and ending the campaigning. I’m hoping he’s not a fibber,and a reckless fool, and holds the bottle the wrong way.

    It’s going to be messy enough closing down the renewable admin infrastructure without putting up a liability like Carter for CS. The new government is not all about you and your obsessions.

  61. #61 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    Nick, as you said earlier, Chubb’s contract is up in May so its pure speculation on my part.

  62. #62 Karen
    September 12, 2013

    Tony Abbott’s climate policy: the science is still crap
    By Giles Parkinson on 3 September 2013

    On Thursday, the good folk at Opposition leader Tony Abbott’s favourite think tank, the ultra conservative Institute of Public Affairs, will host a function in Brisbane to launch the latest anti-climate science book by noted denier, Bob Carter.

    The title of the book, “Taxing Air: Facts & fallacies about climate change”, fits neatly into Abbott’s view about carbon trading. Last month he was out dog-whistling to climate denialists such as Carter on just that theme, when he borrowed an old phrase and said that trading carbon was a “so-called market, in the non-delivery of an invisible substance to no one.”

    Is this book launch just a happy coincidence in timing, or does it amount to the launch

    http://reneweconomy.com.au/2013/tony-abbotts-climate-policy-the-science-is-still-crap-26327

  63. #63 FrankD
    September 12, 2013

    No doubt everyone remembers were were graced by the presence of political heavyweight Anthony Cox (aka cohenite), who was regularly commenting here a few weeks back, no doubt enthused by the prospect of the upcoming Federal Election in which his No Carbon Tax Climate Sceptics Party was going to romp away with some Senate seats…

    The Cox party really did they job, getting a massive 13,300 votes (0.13% of the 72% of votes counted so far), just a whisker behind those political giants in the Pirate Party (31,000) and the HEMP Party (70,600). Yep, Australians really backed your gutsy stand against those Alarmist Greenie Scum there lads.

    After this excellent performance, I suspect even Anthony will abandon the Party and vote for the Voluntary Euthanasia Party (15,600) next time…

    :)

  64. #64 chek
    September 12, 2013

    Frank, you may be relieved/pleased to hear that some of us in the outside world don’t judge Australia by the procession of cranks and nutters that parade through these comments.

  65. #65 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #55

    + 1

  66. #66 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    No, leper islanders :evil:

  67. #67 Stu
    September 12, 2013

    “revolution in ideas”?

    Thanks for the laugh, Gordo. That was absolutely hilarious.

  68. #68 chek
    September 12, 2013

    0.13% is about one in 600 people.
    Or to put it another way, there are actually more paedophiles than Cox’s Crank Party voters. “There are about 14,000 preferential paedophiles in Australia”. (An Investigation into Paedophilia.- Smith and Chapman, 1999)
    Make of that what you will.

  69. #69 Lionel A
    September 12, 2013

    How in the heck did freddy escape from Norfolk Island?

    #55
    +1

  70. #70 Stu
    September 12, 2013

    Must… resist… obvious… joke…

  71. #71 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    Fairly intelligent representatives of the CAGW climate delusion church, e.g. James Hansen, Phil Jones, Kevin Trenberth and only a few more, have given in the obvious fact that the global temperature has not increased in the last 16 years and admitted that all computer models have catastrophically failed and not indicated the slight decline of global temperatures since nearly two decades.

    By contrast, the leper islanders here live in another parallel universe without connection to reality. Poor clowns :evil:

  72. #72 Lionel A
    September 12, 2013

    Regurgitation of outlandish, soundly debumked, denialist memes will not get you out of jail freddy #62.

    You can of course supply cited quotes to back up that hogwash of yours.

    Oh! Dear! Another failure for our resident twit.

    It would seem that you have only just got off Norfolk Island, and been sent back, seeing as you are a few years late with this tosh.

  73. #73 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    and admitted that all computer models have catastrophically failed

    Citation needed!

  74. #74 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @64, no, boring, irrelevant

    search yourself, moron :evil:

  75. #75 Craig Thomas
    September 12, 2013

    Sorry Stu, I’m not as strong as you….

    Norfolking idea.

  76. #76 Craig Thomas
    September 12, 2013

    Lotharsson
    September 12, 2013

    I mean replace Chubb with someone like Carter.

    Ah, just like replacing your dermatologist with your beauty consultant because “they both know about skin”.

    There are already incredulous articles appearing in the overseas press about Abbott’s election. That would be fodder for even more.

    Well…in for a penny, in for a pound, I reckon: Abbott appointing Carter as Chief Scientist would fit nicely in the currently unfolding narrative.

    What does Pell get, though?

  77. #77 Luke
    September 12, 2013

    “But all of that is a convenient missing of my point, isn’t it (which is your favourite MO)? Your strategy for your alleged goal is sub-optimal. And yet you persist with it. Not here for the hunting…”

    No that’s just your own trenchant POV. And you’re not here for the discussion are you? If so where is it? Leadership from the perimeter guards = 0.0

    But agree the sceptics party are a bunch of wackers. Isn’t there something more important?

  78. #78 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #65

    This is not good enough:

    no, boring, irrelevant

    search yourself, moron

    I am competent at web searches but I can find no statement where *any* of the scientists you name admits that:

    all computer models have catastrophically failed

    I think you are mistaken. If you disagree, provide linked quotations by the scientists you name that explicitly support your claim.

    If you cannot do this, I will of course accept your admission that you misspoke.

  79. #79 Craig Thomas
    September 12, 2013

    Nick
    September 12, 2013

    I’m curious as to Abbott’s personal course. Has he ever shown any curiosity about the nuts and bolts of climate? Will he seek personal briefings from the Chief Scientist?

    This should give you an indication of the circles of “thinking” Tony moves in when it comes to science:

    http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/44454.html

  80. #80 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    More polemic from Luke, who still appears unaware that he is a polemicist, not Galileo’s PR.

  81. #81 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @69, learn better searching the internet, clown :evil:

    Advice: look also at Rajendra’s (the Indian railway ingeneer and your IPCC pope) testimonies and admissions.

    Don’t be lazy, sausage!

  82. #82 Lionel A
    September 12, 2013

    Advice: look also at Rajendra’s…

    Advice, get the names right you clown.

    Better trolls please.

  83. #83 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #72

    Not the response requested, Sausage!

    Where are the linked quotes from Hansen, Trenberth, or Jones explicitly stating that:

    all computer models have catastrophically failed

    Either back it up, or get branded as a liar!

    Tip: doubling down isn’t terribly smart at this point, Sausage.

  84. #84 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    Lionel from leper island: how embarrassing for you that you :evil: don’t even know how to spell Rajendra’s name.

    Can YOU tell me (the clowns BBD and Rick cannot due to severe progressive incompetence) how many meteorological weather stations are covered by the GHCN database, the holy sanctuary of the CAGW climate scientology church.

    Show that you are better than clown BBD :evil: and clown Rick :evil: !!

  85. #85 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    @74 loafer :mrgreen: :evil:

    Search yourself: consider it an order by me, the superior and boss, to you, the repentent underdog who has to undergo education!

    :lol: :roll: :lol: :roll:

  86. #86 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #75 Sausage, you have yet to explain *why* the number of stations actually matters. You haven’t developed an argument. Until you do, expect no engagement. Tell us why it matters so much to you.

    #76 I told you doubling down was stupid. Now you are exposed as a liar.

  87. #87 Berendaneke
    September 12, 2013

    I admit here in all due humbleness that I am proud to have been able to provide advice to my friend Tony Abbott regarding the fight of fraudulent CAGW lies and cheatings. Tony understood immediately that Australian CO2 does not matter at all regarding air temperatures 2m above the surface. He wil kill the carbon tax in order to save Oz economy from climate leper islanders with their ideology of communist overturn.

  88. #88 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    And another one off to fantasy island.

    Say hi to your imaginary friends.

  89. #89 el gordo
    September 12, 2013

    The Sceptics Party will probably disband now that the thrust of their ideas have been taken onboard by the incoming government.

  90. #90 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    So it was always politics, never physics.

    I’m shocked to the core.

  91. #91 Luke
    September 12, 2013

    BBD – von Storch has called it. Others have confirmed. The IPCC report has been delayed due the furore that the hiatus has become. You’re in deep do do’s mate.

    If it’s not happening why is Trenberth talking about it. Clearly the models did not predict it. AND many other things.

    So fuck off. (now await BBD’s normal tactics)

  92. #92 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #70. I suppose I wonder, whoever is appointed to replace Chubb, will Abbott go through a public pantomime of consulting the Chief Scientist, or will he just delegate and ignore.

    #82 ‘IPCC report delayed due to furore over “hiatus”‘….why do need to invent this sort of claim?

  93. #93 Stu 2
    September 12, 2013

    Lotharsson @#49,
    You have demonstrated nothing other than your own opinion.
    As pointed out earlier, academia is not the only place where highly intelligent and highly competent people are found. Neither is academia the only place where ground breaking research is conducted.
    Numbers of published papers is but one and only one way to judge someone’s abilities and contributions.

  94. #94 Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #70….the fact that BOMs chief Greg Ayers managed to get that critical corrective testimony into Hansard may be very important in future CS considerations. As much as I’d like to think there was some rationality somewhere in the Coalition, efforts to put characters like Plimer or Carter into the position can’t be utterly ruled out. Those statement from Ayers are unequivocally critical of Plimer and Pell,and cannot be disappeared.

  95. #95 BBD
    September 12, 2013

    #82

    BBD – von Storch has called it. Others have confirmed. The IPCC report has been delayed due the furore that the hiatus has become.

    We’ve been through this. HvS has not “called it”. As ever, you grossly overstate and in the process, misrepresent HvS. I only wish he were here to see you doing it.

    As for the rumour that AR5 has been delayed because of crisis meetings etc, it’s crap. A denier meme. Is this all you have left?

  96. #96 el gordo
    September 13, 2013

    ‘…efforts to put characters like Plimer or Carter into the position can’t be utterly ruled out. ‘

    There would be heaps of derision aimed at the government, but Abbott has the bottle to see it through.

    Here is a bit more on Plimer from wiki, he certainly has the right credentials .

    ‘Plimer is listed as an associate of the Institute of Public Affairs, a conservative think tank with close ties to the Liberal Party of Australia.

    ‘In 2007 Plimer was listed as an “allied expert” for the Natural Resources Stewardship Project, a Canadian anti-Kyoto Protocol advocacy group. In November 2009, Plimer was named as a member of the academic advisory council for Nigel Lawson’s global warming skeptic group, the Global Warming Policy Foundation.’

  97. #97 Craig Thomas
    September 13, 2013

    Nick
    September 12, 2013

    #70….the fact that BOMs chief Greg Ayers managed to get that critical corrective testimony into Hansard may be very important in future CS considerations. As much as I’d like to think there was some rationality somewhere in the Coalition, efforts to put characters like Plimer or Carter into the position can’t be utterly ruled out. Those statement from Ayers are unequivocally critical of Plimer and Pell,and cannot be disappeared.

    If you can find the transcript of the Estimates hearing, it’s a bloody good read – Ludlam and Wong put in their oars very successfully.

    To put it into context, not every Liberal is a science-denying gumby:
    http://uknowispeaksense.wordpress.com/2013/06/18/pollies-ranked-climate-change/

  98. #98 Nick
    September 13, 2013

    #87.. if he tried it, that wouldn’t be ‘bottle’,it would ‘stupidity’…it seems extremely unlikely. Plimer has conflicts of interest,but worst of all, he has ‘Heaven and Earth’ which is a documented disaster of wrong facts,invention and voodoo science…it would be a travesty, a trashing of the position of CS,should Abbott try it. I don’t doubt that some of his dimmer colleagues would lobby for it. Seriously, CS positions are nominated by the national science bodies,not backbench hot-heads or the IPA.

  99. #99 adelady
    September 13, 2013

    It doesn’t matter how much “bottle” Abbott has. He has to set his priorities – he’ll avoid open battle on stuff where he’s confident. And if we’re sure of one thing, he’s confident of his own opinion and majority party support on climate change policies. He wouldn’t want to upset the minority of the party with realistic views on climate science, and he’s got other fish to fry on the international front.

    He’ll want to keep his powder dry for confrontations where he hasn’t already put too many caucus members offside on that issue.

  100. #100 Luke
    September 13, 2013

    ROFL !!!

    “Storch: So far, no one has been able to provide a compelling answer to why climate change seems to be taking a break. We’re facing a puzzle. Recent CO2 emissions have actually risen even more steeply than we feared. As a result, according to most climate models, we should have seen temperatures rise by around 0.25 degrees Celsius (0.45 degrees Fahrenheit) over the past 10 years. That hasn’t happened. In fact, the increase over the last 15 years was just 0.06 degrees Celsius (0.11 degrees Fahrenheit) — a value very close to zero. This is a serious scientific problem that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will have to confront when it presents its next Assessment Report late next year.

    SPIEGEL: Do the computer models with which physicists simulate the future climate ever show the sort of long standstill in temperature change that we’re observing right now?

    Storch: Yes, but only extremely rarely. At my institute, we analyzed how often such a 15-year stagnation in global warming occurred in the simulations. The answer was: in under 2 percent of all the times we ran the simulation. In other words, over 98 percent of forecasts show CO2 emissions as high as we have had in recent years leading to more of a temperature increase.

    SPIEGEL: How long will it still be possible to reconcile such a pause in global warming with established climate forecasts?

    Storch: If things continue as they have been, in five years, at the latest, we will need to acknowledge that something is fundamentally wrong with our climate models. A 20-year pause in global warming does not occur in a single modeled scenario. But even today, we are finding it very difficult to reconcile actual temperature trends with our expectations.

    SPIEGEL: What could be wrong with the models?

    Storch: There are two conceivable explanations — and neither is very pleasant for us. The first possibility is that less global warming is occurring than expected because greenhouse gases, especially CO2, have less of an effect than we have assumed. This wouldn’t mean that there is no man-made greenhouse effect, but simply that our effect on climate events is not as great as we have believed. The other possibility is that, in our simulations, we have underestimated how much the climate fluctuates owing to natural causes.”

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/interview-hans-von-storch-on-problems-with-climate-change-models-a-906721.html

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