March 2014 Open thread

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  1. #1 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 2, 2014

    Look, my little Deltoids, you know that am on your side because there is nothing I would like more than some serious global warming and I don’t much care how it comes about. So I am sorry to bring you bad news. Apparently, Bloombergs have reported a 10.6% *DROP* in international, er, ‘investment’ into renewable energy schemes.

    What I’m trying to tell you, gently, is that no-one believes you any more and in my usual spirit of friendship may I suggest that you try chanting LOUDER. Well done and, er, good luck!

  2. #2 Lionel A
    March 2, 2014

    That 10.6% is a very suspicious figure which brings up many unassociated references.

    Are you dropping bubkas again? You wouldn’t do that now would you?

    Any fall in renewable viability is more down to the irresponsible activities of Osborne & Co or Delingtroll and his ilk in the media and their cheerleaders like you.

  3. #3 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 2, 2014

    Why would Bloomberg lie, they’ve probably made plenty of dosh out of it over the last few years and they would be all in favour of any business in receipt of government money – or *MY* money as I fondly think of it!?

    And one of the main contributors to the decline, I gather, is Frau Merkel who has suddenly realised just how stupendously expensive it is and has turned Germany back to coal-produced energy – SHLOCK-HORROR!

  4. #4 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 2, 2014

    Oh, and anyway, shale is cheaper and more profitable!

  5. #5 BBD
    March 2, 2014

    Look! A talking sock!

  6. #6 Ian Forrester
    March 2, 2014

    Duffer the red nose clown is despicable:

    I would like more than some serious global warming and I don’t much care how it comes about

    Why don’t you go to Somerset and other areas which have recently had serious floods greatly amplified by global warming and shout that rubbish to anyone who will listen. There are many places where you would be thrown into the floods if you were so despicable in person rather than sitting in your comfortable armchair spewing your dishonest nonsense. Global warming is causing untold hardship, both financially and physically, to many many people around the earth.

    My local area suffered $6 billion in damages last June due to floods amplified by global warming. Guess who has to pay, it’s not the people producing and encouraging us to use excess fossil fuels but the average tax payer.

    You are a despicable person.

  7. #7 Jeff Harvey
    March 2, 2014

    Listem everyone, Duffer is an old codger who once said that Obama is a Marxist… does anyone except even a nanogram of logic out of someone who claims that a president whose policies would make Goldwater and Nixon appear left is a Marxist?

    Duff is a clot pure and simple.

  8. #8 Jeff Harvey
    March 2, 2014

    Ian, when there are a fee snow flakes in November Duffer the old reliable wades in here with his vacuous sarcastic quips about warming…. but when conditions occur that verify predictions borne from a warming climate (e.g. extreme events such as those in the UK this winter) he steers away from his usual quips about the weather to other memes. Not only did the UK have by far its wettest winter, it was also the 5th warmest; here in the low countries it comes in at # 2 in terms of temperature (in over 300 years); the 10 warmest winters have all occurred in the past 25 years.

    As I said, Duffer is a clot.

  9. #9 Lionel A
    March 2, 2014

    Duffer puffed some more:

    Why would Bloomberg lie, they’ve probably made plenty of dosh out of it over the last few years and they would be all in favour of any business in receipt of government money – or *MY* money as I fondly think of it!?

    You really are a clown ain’t you. How much do you think the fossil fuel industry leaches from the coffers that you a taxpayer pay into.

    You might like to ask Peter ‘fracking is good wind turbines are bad’ Lilley about his involvement in Tethys Petroleum for starters.

    What a silly old codger you are, so easily duped, and you still fail to provide a reference to support your simplistic crowing.

  10. #10 chek
    March 2, 2014

    Anyone interested in the facts rather than second-hand spin from a drooling idiot like El Duffo’s dubious sources can get them here.

    It will be found that 2012 was still the second highest year for investment in renewables, that the Euro crisis which hit Spain particularly badly and doubt about whether commitments to subsidise renewable energy deployment would continue beyond scheduled expiry dates in countries like the US, the UK and Germany, together with sharp falls in technology costs were major contributing factors.

    And only gloating cretins, spoon-fed with selective factoids, (such as Dumbo Duffer) would cheer the premature death of clean energy.

  11. #11 Lionel A
    March 2, 2014

    Oh, and anyway, shale is cheaper and more profitable!

    Which of course you know is so ridiculous that it cannot possibly be true, unless of course wiping out water courses, destroying wildlife, displacing people from their homes or crops is totally ignored.

    One day some big company, if they have been allowed from negligent or complicit government, may come and frack under you and then you may find your property disappearing into a sink hole. Although recent sink holes have been triggered by copious amounts of rain, maybe you have your head up seventh rock from the sun and didn’t notice, the root cause of some of this could well be forgotten underground workings, or building to soon on poorly stabilised landfill.

    I recall in the early 1980s desperately (there was much gazumping going on at the time, looking for a larger property to house a growing family, four children, and thus interested in any reasonable priced 4 bedroom or one with planning permission for a bedroom including extension, or suitable for such.

    One we looked at was by a reputable builder in the area, its worth finding out about such stuff, and the estate agent noted that permission was granted for an upstairs extension including over an attached garage. On inspection, the owner having shown us the plans for the new build, the garage external was single skinned and we knew that because the house was on a raft their was no chance of the building being passed. Then we happened top mention it to a local builder we knew, who had built the ground floor extension on the current property, and off his own bat he decided to go digging out information. It was quickly discovered that there was the site of an old well at one corner of the house. This and the fact that the property was at the end of the development patch with a drop down into the adjacent arable fields caused us to walk away.

    I thought about that well when I saw the images of a huge hole under the corner of a newish property which the owner was given fifteen minuets to grab what ever he wished to rescue as emergency crews looked on.

  12. #12 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 2, 2014

    Look, don’t give me a hard time, I’m just taking a lead from the founder of Green War, oops, sorry, Green Peace who stated categorically that: “There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth’s atmosphere over the past 100 years.” Well, given that CO2 emissions have gone through the roof in the past 20 years and warming hasn’t happened, it looks like he has a point, wouldn’t you say? Er, take that as a ‘no’, shall I?

    Then there was that climate swot from the Met Office/Exeter Uni who told us last week that global warming had nothing to do with the jet stream being stuck so far south which was the cause of all the recent rain in the UK. I mean, what can old duffer like me do in the face of such expert scientific opinion?

    And, Chek, how delightful to see you produce a prime example of selective stats. Yes, indeed, 2012 was the second “highest” year for ‘investment’ in renewables because total international ‘investment’ was dropping like a stone and 2013 sank lower than 2010. Oh dear, what a pity, never mind!

  13. #13 Marco
    March 2, 2014

    Patrick Moore was not a founder of Greenpeace, Duff.

    Nor did Mat Collins say what you claim you said.

    Duff, stop reading your standard sources. It should by now be clear that you are not learning any facts, but fake talking points.

  14. #14 Lionel A
    March 2, 2014

    Look, don’t give me a hard time…

    You deserve that, and more, for selective misquoting and not acknowledging the primary source of quotes.

    You are nothing but a time wasting, scoundrel. To think taxpayers wasted money on educating the likes of you, one who clearly didn’t take full advantage of that education. Thus a double waste of money.

  15. #15 BBD
    March 2, 2014

    Lionel

    It’s always possible that Duff went to public school and it’s only his parents that didn’t get a great return on their investment.

  16. #16 BBD
    March 2, 2014

    Well, given that CO2 emissions have gone through the roof in the past 20 years and warming hasn’t happened

    The rate of surface warming is modulated by the rate of ocean heat uptake, TSI and volcanism. Energy is accumulating rapidly in the climate system as a whole, which is mostly ocean. So the claim you make is too narrow and in terms of physical climatology, false.

  17. #17 Lionel A
    March 2, 2014

    I mean, what can old duffer like me do in the face of such expert scientific opinion?

    Pay attention to what you have already been told and that was that Mat Collins has been misquoted, or maybe disquoted – a quote taken out of context with intent to dis-inform.

    Now are you still so ignorant that you didn’t understand that or are you deliberately engaging disinformation – i.e. lying just to get a rise out of us.

    Well thank you for keeping this up for every chance we get to bat back at you provides one more opportunity for a lurker to discover what a weasel of a toe-rag you are.

    This sock stinks.

    +1 to what BBD wrote at #16.

    As for Public School, yes, looking at the performance of Owen Patterson & Co on climate, fracking and badger culling then there may be something in that. Twits the lot of ‘em.

  18. #18 BBD
    March 2, 2014

    We can’t just ignore the top curve:

    OHC, GAT and total net forcings

    Even if you dispute the accuracy of OHC reconstructions before, say 1980, the data since show a strong upward trend. The most recent (ARGO) data for the 0 – 2000m layer (red line) are unequivocal: energy continues to accumulate in the climate system. “Global” warming has not stopped or even slowed down.

  19. #19 BBD
    March 2, 2014

    I missed anthropogenic SO2 aerosols from the list of forcings modulating surface temperature at #16.

    So to recap, when the CMIP5 models are run with revised forcings based on an improved quantification of TSI, anthropogenic SO2 aerosols and volcanic SO2 aerosols, agreement with observations improves. If the models were fundamentally flawed, their emergent sensitivity would be wrong, and they would not come into better agreement with observations when forcings are altered in this way.

  20. #20 chek
    March 2, 2014

    Heh,what El Duffer’s fossil fuel shill sources don’t tell him is that the effects of the 2008 financial crash are still biting, to the extent that the most fabulously rich industry on Earth (the aforementioned fossil fuel industry) were sucking off the global taxpayer’s teat in 2012 to the tune of over half a trillion dollars.

    “The IEA’s latest estimates indicate that fossil-fuel consumption subsidies worldwide amounted to $544 billion in 2012, slightly up from 2011 as moderately higher international prices and increased consumption offset some notable progress that is being made to rein in subsidies. Subsidies to oil products represented over half of the total.”

    But Duffer crows about a global $35 billion drop in renewable investment as if he has a point not covered in my initial reply. Please tell us (with references, for once) what your point is Dufferissimus – if you ever had one.

  21. #21 chek
    March 2, 2014

    I realise now that what I posted @#20 probably went over El Duffer’s head.

    That more than half a trillion dollar subsidy to the fossil fuel industry was in lieu of “investment” by those able to afford it but didn’t, and so passed it on to taxpayers.

  22. #22 Ian Forrester
    March 2, 2014

    Chek, yes AGW deniers were involved in both the 2008 crash and sucking billions of pounds from governments.

    A prime example is Matt Ridley who has sucked at both teats since he gets most of his wealth from coal mines on his estate and his shoddy bank had to be bailed out by the government.

  23. #23 Jeff Harvey
    March 3, 2014

    Duff is really scraping the bottom of the barrel with dorks like Patrick Moore. This is the same Moore who once claimed that “No family of birds, mammals or Insects has become extinct due to human actions”. But of course, extinction is not measured at such a massively broad taxonomic scale as a family; it is measured at the level of genetically distinct populations or (at most) species. Moore’s ignorant remark was like saying every species in the cat family (Felidae) is extinct except the common tabby, and thus there is no problem because the family itself is technically still extant.

    I am not sure if Moore made his remark because he is plainly ignorant of phylogeny and taxonomy, or if it was a deliberate attempt to mislead the public, many of whom (like old Duffer probably) cannot tell a species from a tribe from a genus from a family from an order. Heck, I often see the term ‘breed’ mistakenly applied to describe species on television.

    Given Moore’s links with a range of environmentally destructive industries over the past 20 years, by now he is considered a running joke, except of course among those desperate to downplay a range of anthropogenic threats to the environment. They’ll promote anyone they think has even the most marginal of professional qualifications. That Moore has been a poster boy for them shows how utterly few scientists they can recruit,. Anyone who says that a ‘clear cut is a temporary meadow’ does not deserve to be taken seriously. Oh, except by people like Duff, of course.

  24. #24 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “Oh, and anyway, shale is cheaper and more profitable!”

    If true, why did they need tax breaks?

    PS given denier hate for politicians taking tax money for nefarious purposes, please check the father in law of the PM in the UK and connect with the tax breaks.

  25. #25 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “I’m just taking a lead from the founder of Green War, oops, sorry, Green Peace”

    Moore wasn’t the founder of Greenpeace, duffer. If he’s lying about that, what else is he lying about?

  26. #26 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Duffer has built, or rather had built for him, this distorted cognitive framework that is so insular that no information that conflicts with elements of same has a chance of sticking. It is the classic creationist-climate change denier little Englander ideology. I would not be surprised if he believes everything he reads in his copies of This England.

    My wife has brought the occasional copy of This England home from an artist painting group she attends. Some of it is quite interesting but most is coloured by a nostalgia for a past England that never quite existed.

  27. #27 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 3, 2014

    OH, no, Wow, I am so, so, sorry, of course you are right he was not actually a founder just :

    “”as Greenpeace co-founder Bob Hunter wrote, “Moore was quickly accepted into the inner circle on the basis of his **scientific background**, his reputation [as **an environmental activist**], and his ability to inject **practical, no-nonsense insights** into the discussions.”” [My emphases]

    Nobody picks nits like Wow!

  28. #28 Lotharsson
    March 3, 2014

    And nobody distorts like those who feed Duff his distortions.

    Your point being?

  29. #29 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “of course you are right he was not actually a founder”

    But you think that somehow spreading lies should be ignored because you think “co-founder” is right?

    Nope, he wasn’t a co-founder either. Just an early entrant.

    But if you believe founders of Greenpeace, why not read their statement on AGW and the problem it is?

    Oh, that’s right: you don’t care who says it, you’ll only care what they say.

  30. #30 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    Socks still talking, I see.

  31. #31 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    But not about global warming and OHC…

  32. #32 cRR Kampen
    March 3, 2014

    This Moore was a dentist, right? Or what was he? A grave digger? Deserves respect, too!
    #idiots

  33. #33 Jeff Harvey
    March 3, 2014

    This Sourcewatch article on Moore says everything we need to know about him. Whether it will shut old right wing Duffer is anyone’s guess, but my bet is on no…

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Patrick_Moore

  34. #34 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    Dr. Moore served for four years as Vice President, Environment for Waterfurnace International, a manufacturer of geothermal heat pumps for residential heating and cooling with renewable earth energy. He is now a Director of NextEnergy Solutions, the largest distributor of geothermal systems in Canada.

    Ha! He’s peddling renewable energy! Duff! Oh Duff! He’s the enemy you buffoon! A renewables scammer!

    :-)

    This bears repeating too:

    In October 2008, Greenpeace issued a statement distancing itself from Moore, saying he “exploits long gone ties with Greenpeace to sell himself as a speaker and pro-corporate spokesperson, usually taking positions that Greenpeace opposes.”

  35. #35 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Careful Jeff, they may get Burson-Marsteller to point death squads in your direction. From that Sourcewatch article:

    In 1991 Moore was appointed as Director of the British Columbia Forest Alliance which was described by O’Dwyer’s PR Services Report, as “a Burson-Marsteller created group, bankrolled by large timber companies,” which “is waging a PR war with environmentalists upset with the logging of rainforests in western Canada.” (4)

    Burson-Marsteller had worked for the Argentinian junta to “improve [its] international image” and boost investment. [Joyce Nelson, interview with Harold Burson (founder of Burson Marsteller) fall 1981, New York]. B-M’s work for the Argentinian government occurred at the time that 35,000 people were disappeared by death squads.

    But then Burson-Marsteller are used to being involved with death squads having worked for the tobacco industry.

    Now as for Fluffy and the idiotic mention of Moore having been a Greenpeace co-founder it is instructional to enter the following string into Google:

    Greenpeace co-founder: No scientific proof humans are dominant cause of warming climate A co-founder of Greenpeace told lawmakers there is no evidence man is contributing to climate change

    to discover who is pushing this meme at the moment.

    Oh, Look who is top of my list! None other than Faux News. Well I’ll be …..!

  36. #36 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Darn it, blockquote got swallowed again.

    From that Sourcewatch article:

    In 1991 Moore was appointed as Director of the British Columbia Forest Alliance which was described by O’Dwyer’s PR Services Report, as “a Burson-Marsteller created group, bankrolled by large timber companies,” which “is waging a PR war with environmentalists upset with the logging of rainforests in western Canada.” (4)

    Burson-Marsteller had worked for the Argentinian junta to “improve [its] international image” and boost investment. [Joyce Nelson, interview with Harold Burson (founder of Burson Marsteller) fall 1981, New York]. B-M’s work for the Argentinian government occurred at the time that 35,000 people were disappeared by death squads.

  37. #37 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 3, 2014

    My dear little Deltoids, have no fear, I think he’s a total tit, too, but he’s your ‘total tit’, or at least he was, but then he dared to demur and the animals turned on him and devoured him. Serves him right for going anywhere near a bunch of vicious ingrates like you lot.

    Anyway, quick, back to the chant :
    WE BELIEEEEEEVE, WE BELIEEEEEVE -

  38. #38 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    WE BELIEEEEEEVE, WE BELIEEEEEVE

    Nope. You, Duff, are the one clinging to a counterfactual belief system. You “BELIEEEEEEVE”. The rest of us simply accept the mainstream scientific position.

    You are the fringe nutter denying the validity of decades of scientific investigation into radiative physics, atmospheric physics, physical climatology and palaeoclimatology.

    You are the guy out in the dark with his nose pressed up against the window making silly faces. You should keep that simple truth always in mind.

  39. #39 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “Anyway, quick, back to the chant :
    WE BELIEEEEEEVE, WE BELIEEEEEVE -”

    Yup, you BELIEEEEEVE that it’s all a hoax, that it doesn’t happen (meanwhile other deniers are denying you even exist, if it suits their purpose). They BELIEEEEVE it doesn’t matter.

  40. #40 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Ian’s is disgusting to libel skeptics as Holocaust deniers,

    http://www.populartechnology.net/2014/02/skeptics-smeared-as-holocaust-deniers.html

    Getting MASSIVE web traffic thanks to JoNova! (Never seen anything like this before)

    http://joannenova.com.au/2014/03/climate-change-denial-and-the-holocaust-allusion/

  41. #41 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “Ian’s is disgusting to libel skeptics as Holocaust deniers”

    Just as well he doesn’t, eh?

  42. #42 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    He just did,

    “Chek, yes AGW deniers were involved…”

    Disgusting.

  43. #43 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    WTF is that Poptech buffoon trolling on about now? All he needs to focus on is that contrarianism requires a well-supported and coherent scientific counter-argument to the mainstream scientific position and his list of papers ain’t it. Pointing out – as he does – that he acknowledges this isn’t addressing the core problem at all. No scientific argument = no “sceptic” case. End of.

    Either PT is extremely stupid or he’s pretending not to notice that he’s touting a great big pile of nothing.

  44. #44 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    What’s disgusting to me, PT is the way scum like you play the victim and assume some kind of parity with the dead and the survivors of the Shoah and their families.

    Just fuck off.

  45. #45 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    No, he didn’t.

    “Ian’s is disgusting to libel skeptics as Holocaust deniers” is your claim. “Chek, yes AGW deniers were involved…” isn’t evidence of your claim.

  46. #46 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “Either PT is extremely stupid”

    That’s the one.

  47. #47 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    BBD, you and your ilk have been libeling us skeptics as Holocaust deniers long enough, now the evidence has been exposed and this disgusting practice will come to an end. The ADL and like organizations have been contacted to denounce your trivilization of the Holocaust and these disgusting smears.

  48. #48 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    Which bit of “just fuck off” didn’t you understand, PT?

  49. #49 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Fluffy Duffy get your head around this:

    No pause in the increase of hot temperature extremes

    And now WRT that article I’ll link to Sou because she has demonstrated why your fake sceptics, in this case nutty Nova, are septic:

    Almost everything we know about fake sceptics like “Joanne Nova” is spot on… .

    This is a heads up for Redarse too!

  50. #50 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “BBD, you and your ilk have been libeling us skeptics as Holocaust deniers long enough”

    So “Zero seconds” is “long enough” for you moronic deniers?

    Wow, do YOU have short fuses!

    Alarmist, much, are we?

  51. #51 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Wow, do you have a problem with Jews that you make light of such a historic tragic event? Sick.

  52. #52 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Its always projection ain’t it PopTart. Now go away and study that post by Sou and also the other one here:

    Roy Spencer’s Dummy Spit shows his lack of education.

    Charles Lutwidge [1] Dodgson’s characters come over as sane compared to you and Nova.

    [1] Extra marbles if you can indicate the Nelson connection.

  53. #53 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    ” that you make light of such a historic tragic event? ”

    No.

    However, you wish to use their tragedy to protect yourself and have zero qualm about using their plight.

    Why?

    Hatred of Jews, or is this just another form of “Human Shield” like other historically evil regimes have used to hide their atrocities behind?

  54. #54 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    Why no harsh words for Spencer, scum?

    Explain yourself.

  55. #55 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    Poppy doesn’t explain.

    Ever.

    It only ends in tragedy for denier morons like pops here: they can’t keep track of all the lies they have to keep spinning.

  56. #56 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Wow, you are one sick puppy. You will not even admit to your crimes and use a historic tragedy for cheap political attacks.

    I have Jewish family members you bastard. How dare you!

  57. #57 Jeff Harvey
    March 3, 2014

    OH dear, Mr Simpleton (Poptech) is back, patting himself on the back for having an army of deadheads visiting his comic-book level blog.

    I wanted to say its a bit rich for any of the CC deniers to accuse their opponents of using Nazi analogies, given that they are masters of the art. I have seen the term ‘brownshirts’ used many times by anti-environmentalists to describe activists and campaigners. I could give plenty of examples too….

  58. #58 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    I am making the ADL and such groups aware of this sick behavior on this blog. You have no shame and continue to smear skeptics as Holocaust deniers. This blog should be shut down for hate crimes!

  59. #59 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    Are you going to argue that the Oxford English Dictionary is wrong and you are right?

    You are even crazier than I thought.

    Or perhaps not. Perhaps you are the sort of scum that would use the Shoah for rhetorical effect. For playing the victim. For trolling blog comments.

    I have Jewish family members you bastard. How dare you!

    Then they should spit on you.

  60. #60 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “You will not even admit to your crimes and use a historic tragedy for cheap political attacks.”

    Yup, just like you won’t admit to being the Son of God, right? And for the same reason: they’re lies. I’ve never done that and you’ve never been the Son of God.

    But you’ll damn well abuse the holocaust if you can “score points” and shout down the freedom of expression of others because you cannot read a damn dictionary, nor work out that the 14th Century was long before WW2.

  61. #61 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “I am making the ADL and such groups aware of this sick behavior on this blog.”

    Aye, pops, and they’ll take you to task for your abuse of the holocaust for your personal gain.

  62. #63 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    No remorse, disgusting.

  63. #64 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    By all means involve the ADL. Poptech. They will skin you for what you are doing here. And I will be happy to be part of that process.

  64. #65 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    I hope for your sake that your claim to have Jewish family member is true, Poptech. These things take on a life of their own once started.

  65. #66 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “No remorse, disgusting.”

    Yup, no remorse from you, since you can use it to attack or defend, and hang the Jews.

  66. #67 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    You guys think it is a big joke to gain cheap political poinbts but over 40 of your buddies let slip how they REALLY feel and this behavior will no longer be tolerated.

  67. #68 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “You guys think it is a big joke”

    No, we take your abuse of the factual history of the holocaust to permit a new era of “human shield” as you propogate your religion of denial is anything but a joke.

    YOU, however, ARE a joke.

  68. #69 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    I think what you will shortly find out, Poptech, is that *your* behaviour will no longer be tolerated.

  69. #70 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    ” this behavior will no longer be tolerated.”

    And so we see the jackboot of the rightwing thugs of the Neo-Nazis aspirers like poppy here.

  70. #71 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Now you are comparing me to Neo-Nazis! Unreal, these posts are being screen captured.

  71. #72 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    I am making the ADL and such groups aware of this sick behavior on this blog.

    Good luck with that PT.

    You are the one puking all over this blog.

  72. #73 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “Now you are comparing me to Neo-Nazis!”

    Yes.

    Evidence abounds:

    1) Abuse of the Jewish people
    2) A threat from authority
    3) “this behavior will no longer be tolerated.”

    Yes. Plenty of evidence that you are acting exactly as they would do in your shoes.

  73. #74 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Now you are comparing me to Neo-Nazis! Unreal, these posts are being screen captured.

    The above entity will self destruct in
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  74. #75 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    You are a very sick, sick individual, smearing me as now abusing the Jewish people. Disgusting.

  75. #76 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Ah! Never mind the tart, let us remind these cranks of the real message so far this year:

    January 2014’s extreme weather worldwide – interactive map.

    So, go play marbles with your hand grenades PT.

  76. #77 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Time to expose the hate crimes of this blog.

  77. #78 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “smearing me as now abusing the Jewish people. ”

    Uhm, if that’s a crime, then call yourself Mr Criminal:

    #51 Poptech
    March 3, 2014

    Wow, do you have a problem with Jews that you make light of such a historic tragic event? Sick.

  78. #79 Wow
    March 3, 2014

    “Time to expose the hate crimes of this blog.”

    I see, destroying free speech now.

    What next? Burning books of science?

  79. #80 chek
    March 3, 2014

    Poptart, all you’re doing is diddling yourself off and using denial of your lack of proficiency with presumably your first language and your own internal word association to do it.

    You certainly are one sick puppy, as well as monumentally stupid, too stupid to check that the word ‘denier’ roots back to the 14th Century – long, long before your first war film or comic formed your limited knowledge of history.

    But you go right ahead and pull on your fake victim suit. It’ll match perfectly with your fake campaign.

  80. #81 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    Oxford English Dictionary.

    Every time the troll makes the false claim, let’s post a link to the world’s most authoritative dictionary and the definition of “denier” therein.

  81. #82 BBD
    March 3, 2014

    There’s nothing like the spectacle of deniers trying to pretend that they are victims instead of perpetrators, is there? It’s a pity most of them won’t live long enough to be held publicly accountable for their actions.

  82. #83 chek
    March 3, 2014

    What a dull life Poptart must lead.
    The ADL FFS!.
    Moron.

  83. #84 chek
    March 3, 2014

    I also couldn’t help wondering that – God forbid – the situation in the Crimea ramps up and Gazprom reduce what’s available for distribution to the Euro interconnectors, how soonit would be until Duffus et al are begging for a wind turbine to be built in their gardens..

  84. #85 Betula
    March 3, 2014

    Hey Deltoidians,

    Haven’t been around much. Just wanted to let you know Warren Buffet says Hi…

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/no-climate-change-impact-insurance-150023173.html?vp=1

  85. #86 chek
    March 3, 2014

    … in Buffett’s current USA insurance portfolio.
    No doubt those with interests in, say, the South China Sea, for example might have a different view.
    Or perhaps you can make some point with an even narrower focus Betty?

  86. #87 Ian Forrester
    March 3, 2014

    Globally, weather related disasters have risen at a very high rate. See here;

    http://www.preventionweb.net/files/20120613_ClimateDisaster1980-2011.pdf

  87. #88 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    On all the other hands, other than Buffett’s (seems a sandwich short of a picnic there does he) that is:

    Climate Change is a subject that concerns us all.

    But you can always climb back into your tree on planet Zog Betula Bark skin.

  88. #89 Betula
    March 3, 2014

    Lionel..

    Thanks for the Munich Re link.

    “In February 2010, U.S. investor Warren Buffett became Munich Re’s largest single shareholder with 11.2 percent of the company”

    From a picnic on planet Zog:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Re

  89. #90 GSW
    March 3, 2014

    @Lionel

    Come on Lionel, I’m sure you can work it out by yourself, the one thing the insurance industry has never been adverse to is a bit of “risk awareness”. They’re Munich Climate Insurance initiative,

    http://www.climate-insurance.org/upload/pdf/20131120_Global_Insurance_Industry_Statement.pdf

    “Global insurance industry statement -Building climate and disaster-resilient communities and economies: How the insurance industry and governments can work together more effectively”

    “both public and private actors need to engage in a broader
    societal discussion about the use of insurance and the role of the global insurance industry in partnership with governments, in forging climate and disaster-resilient development pathways”

    “Identifying and developing incentives to reduce climate risk by promoting risk awareness, risk prevention and risk reduction solutions that contribute to building adaptation to the effects of climate change including disaster resilience”

    The wording sounds more of a scoping out a business opportunity than unbiased weighing of historical evidence. Insurance people are nice though aren’t they? They’re there for you when you need them.
    ;)

    @Betula
    #89 nice!

  90. #91 chek
    March 3, 2014

    You gotta love it when deniers scrabble to find some crumb of comfort in stupid metrics.
    Metrics which cheerfully ignore the damage to the uninsured and uninsurable, the infrastructure damage, the economic damage, the damage to human lives and the damage to the environment, in an attempt to maker some stupid non point that AGW hasn’t been and won’t be so bad.

  91. #92 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    Betula azleep on planet Zog.

    Buffet is misleading you. But then we know you are a dupe.

    Now GSW, do you really think that insurance companies are going to keep paying out on e.g. flooded properties without a massive hike in prices effectively placing most out of reach of insurance?

    Are you so fucking asleep that you have not noticed the increase in weather related disasters.

    Of course they could use this as a business opportunity unless their feet are put to the fire and their heads ducked under the water filth lapping around peoples homes.

    I am just waiting for the signs of diseases such as cholera, dysentery and worse as access to health measures as well as insurance becomes harder. The plagues that have stalked Africa, Asia and the Middle East will start up where not seen before, especially given the impetus of mass migration whether governments want it or not.

    But in your insular bubble, with Betula on planet Zog this is all outside of your understanding.

  92. #93 Betula
    March 3, 2014

    “Buffet is misleading you”

    Yes, that’s what it is Lionel, you figured it out. Warren Buffet has made it his personal goal to mislead me, because I am his biggest threat. You see, I am the only thing standing between him and his ability to purchase planet Zog…and we all know that planet Zog will be the last place to run when planet Earth is destroyed.

    You’re a damn genius Lionel…. keep up the good work!

  93. #94 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    One I forgot in my last is the disease that has plagued humans for the longest and which killed more people last year than in any previous year. Can you duffers on Zog name it?

    Clue, with lots of tepid water standing around in places where not normal this disease could take off big time. Besides the extra filth spread will be a breeding ground for new strains of many diseases in a population not familiar with the ravages of such and thus without acquired immunity.

    Oh how simple some of you are?

  94. #95 GSW
    March 3, 2014

    @Lionel

    “Now GSW, do you really think that insurance companies are going to keep paying out on e.g. flooded properties without a massive hike in prices effectively placing most out of reach of insurance?”

    Well no Lionel I don’t. They’ll just designate a class of property as being all but uninsurable and leave it to central government to make everyone whole. (underwrite the risk in exchange for affordable premiums)

    Which, from the insurance company point of view, is a win.

  95. #96 chek
    March 3, 2014

    Buffet is misleading you”

    Totally unsurprising that Betty takes the phrase absolutely personally, likely because morons have conceptual difficulties with the abstract.

    More accurate is that Betty’s and Griselda have been fed some link via their customary stink sewers and misunderstand the limitations (outlined by Lionel and myself above) of what Buffet’s statements mean other than his business view of weather disasters.

  96. #97 chek
    March 3, 2014

    Well no Lionel I don’t. They’ll just designate a class of property as being all but uninsurable and leave it to central government to make everyone whole. (underwrite the risk in exchange for affordable premiums)

    Like you’d know, Griselda.
    Perhaps you could explain to those quoted excesses of £100k for re-insurance on their modest houses after the recent SWE England floods how they’ve been ‘made whole’.

  97. #98 Lionel A
    March 3, 2014

    They’ll just designate a class of property as being all but uninsurable and leave it to central government to make everyone whole.

    So what you want to see is more taxes so that government can afford to pay out where insurers wont.

    Hum! I can see that being popular in certain quarters.

  98. #99 GSW
    March 3, 2014

    @Lionel

    “So what you want to see is more taxes so that government can afford to pay out where insurers wont.”

    I’m hoping you’re just being thick on purpose Lionel.

  99. #100 Jeff Harvey
    March 3, 2014

    Before old brainless Poppy goes off after Deltoid for ‘hate crimes’, he should look a lot closer to home at one of his own groups, Wise Use. They’ve been smearing activists and environmentalists for years using terms like ‘Eco-Nazi’ and ‘Eco-Fascist’.

    http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v07n2/wiseuse.html

    But of course, my guess is that Poppy shares the same political ideology of Ron Arnold, Alan Gottlieb and other Wise-Users, so he’ll give them a free pass.

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