March 2014 Open thread

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  1. #1 chek
    March 3, 2014

    Griserlda @ #99 on page one, a tip:
    Always assume that it’s you yourself that’s “being thick”.
    You’re far more likely to be correct.

  2. #2 Lotharsson
    March 4, 2014

    …but he’s your ‘total tit’, or at least he was, but then he dared to demur and the animals turned on him and devoured him…

    Sheesh, you’re really struggling with this “logic” thing, aren’t you? It’s like you haven’t actually got any facts to support your argument so this is the best smear you can come up with.


  3. #3 Lotharsson
    March 4, 2014

    …Come on Lionel, I’m sure you can work it out by yourself, the one thing the insurance industry has never been adverse to is a bit of “risk awareness”.

    So, you appear to be implicitly admitting that the risks are there…small signs of progress, but progress nevertheless.

  4. #4 GSW
    March 4, 2014


    You’re too late Loth, Lionel already played the ‘thick’ card in #98. I’m sure he’ll appreciate you making it more of a group effort though.

    I’m hoping you’re just being thick on purpose Loth.

    There’s deja vu here, didn’t Lionel play the ‘thick’ card in #98? with

    “So what you want to see is more taxes”

  5. #5 Lotharsson
    March 4, 2014

    I’m hoping you’re just being thick on purpose Loth.

    My ironic point appears to have sailed right over your head, as expected.

  6. #6 GSW
    March 4, 2014


    Indeed it did Loth, you just came across as being thick.

  7. #7 BBD
    March 4, 2014


    Have you actually got anything to say? If so, please get on and say it.

  8. #8 Wow
    March 4, 2014

    “My ironic point appears to have sailed right over your head”

    Be fair, it IS very small and pointy.

    And it’s always in a dark, warm place.

  9. #9 Lionel A
    March 4, 2014

    I’m hoping you’re just being thick on purpose Lionel.

    That is priceless projection.

    Not good with irony then eh you old boiler! Never mind keep taking the tablets.

  10. #10 Lotharsson
    March 4, 2014

    Indeed it did Loth, you just came across as being thick.

    So we have it on record that when you don’t understand something you view the person saying it as “thick”.

    Explains a lot. And noted for future reference.

  11. #11 chek
    March 4, 2014

    when you don’t understand something you view the person saying it as “thick”.

    It’s quite common in the denier mentality, poptart’s little display of lexicographical ignorance yesterday, Duffus getting all superior with Julia Slingo a day or two before that and Griselda’s woefully undeserved hubris – given his long catalogue of inadequacies – on this occasion.

    One might speculate it’s some kind of projection.

  12. #12 Wow
    March 4, 2014

    Or just a coping mechanism: if EVERYONE ELSE is as thick as a mile of pigshit, then they don’t feel as though they’re too dumb in comparison. A mile and a half.

  13. #13 Lionel A
    March 4, 2014

    Getting away from the Beavis & Butthead (GSW+Betty) double act for a moment a reminder of why we know that there has been no pause in warming, ISTR citing this one last month but it seems to be getting a little more traction now:

    Watch 27 Years of ‘Old’ Arctic Ice Melt Away in Seconds.

    And another thing, it seems that Dorset is not the only place where restaurant windows have been smashed by higher waves as in California a Wave crashes through restaurant window, Santa Barbara .

  14. #14 Lionel A
    March 4, 2014

    Another heads up for Beavis & Butthead a timely article on climate change and risk management:

    Cartoon: the climate contrarian guide to managing risk which, among other things, shows how Curry is letting things become too hot to handle.

    Do visit the Guardian link to:

    Is climate change humanity’s greatest-ever risk management failure?.

    Over to B&B, zleeping on planet Zog.

  15. #15 cRR Kampen
    March 5, 2014

    Svalbard smashed the February record, which dated from ages ago (2012!!) by a margin of near 4° C.
    February 2014 averaged -1.7° C there.
    Two minutes of silence, please.

  16. #16 GSW
    March 5, 2014

    For those based in the Netherlands, you may be interested in attending the GWPF event in The Hague tomorrow.

    Andrew Montford and Nick Lewis will be speaking/presenting their new report

    “A Sensitive Matter: How the IPCC buried evidence showing good news about global warming”

    Should be interesting. 😉

  17. #17 Wow
    March 5, 2014

    They need the money and attention.

  18. #18 turboblocke
    March 5, 2014

    Interesting that nieuwspoort refers to them as a think tank, rather than a charity.

  19. #19 cRR Kampen
    March 5, 2014

    #16, went to see some usual suspects at the NIPCC symp in The Hague, October last year. Once was quite enough.

    A bunch of retarded old white men led on by some smirking cult leaders amounting to a total public of maybe four dozen. How interesting.

    The tragedy of #15 is that -1.7° C is still cold. Gawd how I wish for the Moscow ’10 summer translated to Holland – it will get rid of all our forests and imagine zeven weeks of peat fires from the Ardennes smoking all that time across the Netherlands 🙂
    No-one here believes it’s possible, even when you show the analysis with normals and standard deviations to translate the Rus inferno to Dutch numbers.
    When I ask around here ‘suppose it’s 2009, would you believe a summer like ’10 in Russia were possible at all’ guess what answer I get?

  20. #20 cRR Kampen
    March 5, 2014

    #18, ‘zeven’, I mean 7, seven, ‘zeven’ is 7, seven in Dutch : )

  21. #21 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Griselda @ #16

    Should be interesting

    Oh dear” – … if you’re interested in how showboating, self-promoting, grifting nobodies try to keep their profile up and some money trickling in. somehow seems to have been omitted.

  22. #22 Lionel A
    March 5, 2014

    I got that without prompt cRR, being interested in maritime history I have come across mention of Dutch warships with that word in the name De Zeven Provinciën with one of that name being involved in The Four Days’ Battle of 1666: The Greatest Sea Fight of the Age of Sail , the severity of that battle may come as a surprise to those that thought Trafalgar was the biggest such.

    As for that event of 1666 (which happened to be the year my old school was founded) I will not hold the result against you cRR.

    Now back on topic GSW do you really think any of us have the slightest interest in what the mealy mouthed dragon slayers have to say about climate science and those scientists doing valuable research, many risking life and limb in hostile environments? Here is a pointer to some recent developments It never rains but it pause.

    As you can see there is plenty to study without worrying about the barrel scraping of the dragon slayers by which those sad jerks are collecting splinters in their heads and chips on their shoulders. Which latter brings us back to wooden warships.

  23. #23 Jeff Harvey
    March 5, 2014

    “A bunch of retarded old white men”

    That is being too kind. There won’t be a bonafide climate scientist in sight, either. The event will of course be totally ignored.

  24. #24 Lionel A
    March 5, 2014

    And from the blog, one of the oldest in this field, that rarely gets a mention here, Ross Gelbspan’s ‘The Heat is Online’ is a post that highlights the problems that ecosystems have in coping with unseasonable weather of any kind: Why You Shouldn’t Hope for an Early Spring.

    The source of that article, ENSIA is worth a visit in its own right..

  25. #25 chek
    March 5, 2014

    … and another Griselda error:
    “A Sensitive Matter: How the IPCC buried evidence showing good news about global warming” Nic Lewis cobbled together a method to give an answer deniers liked.

    The Scandinavian trolls seem to have a fixation on “good news”, but not a lot of discrimination on its provenance.

  26. #26 Jeff Harvey
    March 5, 2014

    What’s worse is that it is co-organized by the Groene Rekenkamer (The Green Reasoning Room). The actual name should be the Brown Shill Room.

    It doesn’t get much more absurd than this.

  27. #27 cRR Kampen
    March 5, 2014

    #22 Jeff, the kindness depends, I took the phrase from writings by dr Timothy Leary who meant something by that (except I substituted ‘retarded’ for ‘whiskey drinking’).

    #23 Lionel, thanks for that, excellent timing as Holland (with about ALL of Europe, North-Africa AND the Middle-East) looks like up for just that event. Boy am I fighting colleagues, friends & family over this one.

  28. #28 Lionel A
    March 5, 2014


    Yes and WRT #23 I suppose the natural world should listen to Rex Tillerson and learn to adapt. Of course the Tillerson types, airheads such as drop by here usually as a gang, have no idea as to how long that adaptation will take nor the causalities along the way.

  29. #29 BBD
    March 5, 2014


    Isn’t it interesting watching the co-ordination emerge? Never forgetting that a certain R. Tol is on the academic advisory board of GWPF and of DGR.

    Nic “just a retired financier” Lewis is a fascinating character. The man from nowhere – literally no background available – and suddenly the darling of denialism thanks to his charmingly bijou sensitivity estimates. And now fully-fledged conspiracy-theorising. He’s made his bones.

  30. #30 BBD
    March 5, 2014

    Report co-authored by Marcel Crok.

  31. #31 cRR Kampen
    March 5, 2014

    #27, of course, that’s what those terrorists and totalitarians want – adapt or disappear. Incredible egocentric people those with far too much money gained from walking over hecatombs.
    The reality is, of course, that Exxon has no dimension to look for but down.

  32. #32 chek
    March 5, 2014

    It’s clever marketing BBD – just look at the calibre of numbskull that rushed here to tell us all about it.
    How the IPCC buried evidence

    They’re like wasps to jam.

  33. #33 Wow
    March 5, 2014

    More like flies…. well, you know the apposite for jam, here…

  34. #34 Ian Forrester
    March 5, 2014

    Rex Tillerson is a real hypocrite. He claims that fracking is safe in that Guardian piece but wants to stop fracking when it is near his own home and may affect his own property values:

  35. #35 turboblocke
    March 5, 2014

    IIUC “rekenkamer” means “auditors”.

  36. #36 Betula
    March 5, 2014

    I couldn’t help but think of Professor “I saw a spider” Hardley when I came across this:

    “The moment a person forms a theory they begin to see in every object only the traits which favor that theory.”
    Thomas Jefferson

  37. #37 Jeff Harvey
    March 5, 2014

    Betula is probably referring to the fact that Jefferson owned slaves and didn’t like those who theorized that white rich males were not necessarily ‘a better set of men’.

    But since Betula is a right wingnut, this little fact would probably sail over his indoctrinated little head. But heck, this is the idiot who think that one can asses the health of NA ecosystems on the basis of three appallingly bad examples. Or that variation i seasonal aphid outbreaks disproves AGW. Its comic-level book science.

    By the way John (Birch), I saw a lot more than a spider on that winter crossing. In addition to seeing inverts in several orders I saw huge numbers of collemboles that normally are active a month later – pretty significant in terms of a 23 day one winter trek. We’ve just had the second warmest winter in the NL in 308 years, and many plants and animals are up to 6-8 weeks ahead of schedule in terms of seasonal phenology. This pattern is illustrated in dozens of studies in peer-reviewed journals examining similar changes over many years. But since you don’t appear to read anything other than the Washington Times, I guess this sails right over your head as well.

    Some advice John: get lost.

  38. #38 GSW
    March 5, 2014


    Good one. Which of the posited theories do you mean though? The C02 warmageddon, or the paranoia about transnational elites being out to get him thru Barack Obama?

  39. #39 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Must be like trying to explain algebra to a dog, Jeff.
    Or calculus to a cow, in Griselda’s case.

  40. #40 BBD
    March 5, 2014

    This is the hottest decade since records began, Betty.

    Surely – surely – you aren’t denying that? I mean I know you are a bit of a physics-denier and a paleoclimate denier but surely not the instrumental record? That’s so nineties.

  41. #41 cRR Kampen
    March 5, 2014

    #21, wooden warships including pre-sailing era (mod the Polynesians), Salamis, anyone? Something about slavery and reason.

  42. #42 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Something about slavery and reason.

    It’s more like slaves to conspiracy crankery for the denier coterie here, cRR. But only they – and their oil-funded story writers – have brought it to light.
    To quote Griselda @#16, “Should be interesting”.
    And it is, mildly.
    But just not for the reasons the galootbrains think.

  43. #43 Lionel A
    March 5, 2014

    Good one. Which of the posited theories do you mean though?

    It matters not a jot for Betty and you Butthead, or are you Beavis, never bother to comprehend information in any of the links we provide.

    And yet you keep posting to known dis-info sites when we keep providing evidence as to why they are so bad.

    Cue OP, RN and DD ere too long.

  44. #44 Lionel A
    March 5, 2014

    But just not for the reasons the galootbrains think.

    Oh! Don’t be too hard on them chek – they confused the bidet for a face-wash and flushed their brains out round the S. After all Cardinal Puff told them it would work as a way of getting rid of bum-fluff (juvenile facial hair) and they took him at his word.

  45. #45 Betula
    March 5, 2014

    “I saw a lot more than a spider on that winter crossing. In addition to seeing inverts in several orders I saw huge numbers of collemboles that normally are active a month later – pretty significant in terms of a 23 day one winter trek”

    Yes, that 23 day timescale where you witnessed climate change first hand and frostbite ensued, Good thing you didn’t go this winter eh Hardly?

  46. #46 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Bitter batty Betty’s bitchy bolshie bullshit.
    Just lke trying to teach a dog algebra.

  47. #47 Betula
    March 5, 2014

    Hardley in Algonquin!

  48. #48 BBD
    March 5, 2014

    Betty – you ignored my question, so I will have to repeat it:

    This *is* the hottest decade since records began, Betty.

    Surely – surely – you aren’t denying that? I mean I know you are a bit of a physics-denier and a paleoclimate denier but surely not the instrumental record? That’s so nineties.

  49. #49 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Betty doesn’t answer questions, BBD – look what happened when he bowed out after being cornered a few weeks back.

    But then, neither does he have the least inkling of how dark matter is observed.

  50. #50 Olaus Petri
    March 5, 2014

    That’s Jeffie all right Betula! 🙂

    In his own little lala-land he witness a lot, all of it true. 🙂

  51. #51 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Denial 101: If you can’t attack the science, attack the scientists.
    Always stuck like glue to the playbook, Olap. Shame (for you) your hero Bjornieboy turned out to be such a soaked squib.

  52. #52 Betula
    March 5, 2014

    “This *is* the hottest decade since records began”

    “since records began” being the key words there…

  53. #53 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Actually, while you’re here Olap – why is Lomborg so incompetent at his mission?

  54. #54 chek
    March 5, 2014

    “since records began” being the key words there…

    Do share your magick data, Betty. Y’know, the stuff that fuels your fantasies that your smarter than all the world’s scientists.

  55. #55 Jeff Harvey
    March 5, 2014

    Given how utterly stupid Batty is, its so easy to bait him. There is such a thing as TRENDS Batty. Ever hear of that word? TRENDS. Look it up. Its probably a bit long for you (all of 6 letters) but it has significance. And then link it with the word regression. Ever hear of a simple statistic called linear regression Batty? Or is this way, way out of your comic-book level understanding of data analysis?

    Trends show that winters in North America are warmer now than they were several decades ago. Ditto Eurasia. This winter has been exceptional for much of the continent. And records show that the 3 warmest summers over much of Australia have occurred since 2009.

    And biota are responding. Its those pesky hundreds of published studies showing range and elevational shifts that you don’t read or understand. One of your online poodles, Olaus, may actually be dumber than you (if that is indeed possible). At least you are wiling to throw comic book level science at us. Old Olly isn’t even out of his diapers yet.

  56. #56 BBD
    March 5, 2014


    We can go way past the instrumental record, Betty. Take the PAGES-2K Consortium results for example:

    Recent warming reversed the long-term cooling; during the period ad 1971–2000, the area-weighted average reconstructed temperature was higher than any other time in nearly 1,400 years.

    And most likely the hottest since the end of the Holocene Climatic Optimum ~6ky ago. The HCO was orbitally-forced, so there’s a radiative cause there too. Now it’s ever-increasing GHG forcing.

    Which is why the last decade was the hottest in the instrumental record and probably since the end of the HCO. Denying all this is beyond stupid, Betty. It’s into the territory of mental illness.

  57. #57 Jeff Harvey
    March 5, 2014

    Olaus: “In his own little lala-land he witness a lot, all of it true”

    My gosh Olaus, you not only think like a child, you write like one. What utter puerile crap. Terrible grammar. And you actually think that you are witty. The mind boggles.

  58. #58 BBD
    March 5, 2014

    Nic Lewis is wasted on these clowns. At least he’s clever.

  59. #59 BBD
    March 5, 2014

    Note that by implication, Betty continues either to deny the greenhouse effect or the efficacity of CO2 as a forcing, which amounts to the same thing really: solidly-established radiative physics is denied. Tinfoil time.

    Right little Sky Dragon, aren’t you Betty? Not just a conspiracy theorist, after all.

  60. #60 BBD
    March 5, 2014

    “efficacity”? I like it, but sadly, “efficacy” it should be…

  61. #61 chek
    March 5, 2014

    Anybody else getting as sick and tired of toe-rag, knee-jerk, denialist-shit non-talking points as I am?

    Well, I’ll predict now that they’ll be hiding under a rock and keeping schtum when the next El Nino hits later this year and the effects grow worse into 2015. The Betty’s and the Griselda’s and the Joans or their analogues may make a re-appearance in about 2027 to claim flattened temperatures, but I doubt it as the funding of their current info-wells will have been long withdrawn, bar the odd old coot unable to accept the facts have beaten them long ago, just like those Nipponese holdouts on those god-forsaken Pacific islands up until the 1970s.

    That denier-disputed deep ocean heat reservoir will be back to bitec soon.
    “A strong El Niño event in late 2014 can make 2015 a record year for global temperatures.” says the latest research paper from the PNAS, a far more reliable source than retired ex-US regional TV weathermen, amateur Canadian mining consultants and conspiracy driven accountants domiciled in Scotland, and washed-up Euro political apparatchicks (the spelling is carefully chosen for our visiting Scandinavian chickens) and accountants put together

    The only shame is that many more will suffer the effects before they do.

  62. #62 BBD
    March 5, 2014


    If – and EN is a tricky beast – if we get on this Christmas or whenever, the deniers will probably just say “it’s hot because it’s and EN year” – and then start up with the old Tisdaleian drone that EN is somehow driving the warming – decade after decade after decade. Never you mind that old conservation of energy nonsense…

  63. #63 chek
    March 5, 2014

    You’re probably right BBD.
    Chickens have been known to run around for a while without their heads attached.

  64. #64 Lotharsson
    March 6, 2014

    I couldn’t help but think of Professor “I saw a spider” Hardley when I came across this…

    You should have been unable to think of yourself, but it’s no surprise that you did not.

  65. #65 Lotharsson
    March 6, 2014

    Er…”unable to help thinking of yourself…”

  66. #66 BBD
    March 6, 2014

    Those interested in the problems with the Crok & Lewis GWPF report may find this discussion by Piers Forster at Climate Lab Book interesting.

  67. #67 Wow
    March 6, 2014

    ““since records began” being the key words there…”


    It indicates that this is weather we’ve never experienced in recorded history.

    You know, global warming, proven.

  68. #68 Lionel A
    March 6, 2014

    Crok, Lewis and GWPF exposed as obfuscaters at best:

    Lord Lawson climate sceptic thintank’s report rebuked by scientists.

    Clearly and something that has been apparent for years, well since it was set up suspiciously at Climategate time, the GWPF has outlived its status as a charity.

    All other legitimate charities should be concerned that the regulatory system for charities is so broken that the GWPF think they can get away with this.

    This needs to change. One way is to raise awareness of this to a more general audience by highlighting that the GWPF is hindering substantive political action to tackle the climate change which is already having a bad impact on their lives. Now a petition set up through 38 Degrees may be one small step in achieving this. What does the team think.

    The other issue currently is the skewed attitude to planning rules for wind farms v fracking as indicated by this article:

    Eric Pickles guilty of ‘double standards’ over energy planning applications, maybe more pressure could be applied on this too.

    There were segments on fracking in last evenings BBC One Show (I only pay attention to for items of particular interest for IMHO this programme is padded out with much fluff) unfortunately my wife came home, from heavy duty babysitting, during the segment so I didn’t finish watching it to appreciate what the slant of the reporting was.

  69. #69 Lionel A
    March 6, 2014

    Uh! Oh!

    What some of us have feared about a warming world, one that was echoed by climate contrarian dis-informer Michael Chrichton in ‘The Andromeda Strain’:

    Add Newly Discovered Ancient Giant Viruses To List Of Pathogens Benefiting From Climate Change>

    Now can the Beavis & Butthead brigade tell me what disease I had in mind upthread when writing about the spread of diseases?

  70. #70 cRR Kampen
    March 6, 2014

    See, they had supercomputers back then, too.

  71. #71 Bernard J.
    March 7, 2014

    For anyone with ecological understanding this is most concerning:

    and not just for the studied species, but for the underlying process(es) occurring.

  72. #72 Betula
    March 7, 2014

    “It indicates that this is weather we’ve never experienced in recorded history”

    Yes, it would be hard for us to never experience it in unrecorded history. Of course, the mere fact it was experienced, can only means that the experience will continue, since the future often repeats the present.

  73. #73 Betula
    March 7, 2014

    Global Warming causes flooding from m̶e̶l̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ too much ice!

  74. #74 Bernard J.
    March 7, 2014

    Some concepts are just to complex for your brain to cope with, aren’t they Betula?

    Even relatively simple ones.

  75. #75 Bernard J.
    March 7, 2014

    …too complex…

  76. #76 BBD
    March 7, 2014


    You are skipping again. See #54 and #57.

    Evidence that there really is something rather odd going on, and a fundamental observation about your physics denial.

  77. #77 BBD
    March 7, 2014


    Evidence of climate *change* Betty. The planet as a whole slowly warms, but at regional scale, climate *changes* are more noticeable than the gradual overall warming. SSTs and Arctic summer ice melt derange the Polar jet, which gives NH mid-latitudes extreme winters but the fundamental underlying cause is the anthropogenic forcing. Scientists argue about the mechanisms and deniers deny, meanwhile, the process continues.

  78. #78 Wow
    March 7, 2014

    “Global Warming causes flooding from m̶e̶l̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ too much ice!”

    Melting ice causes flooding, Betty.

    Flooding isn’t ONLY caused by melting ice, though.

    You appear stuck on the Xtian myth that “there can be only ONE Prime Mover”. You’ll never understand reality while you labour under that “idea”.

  79. #79 cRR Kampen
    March 7, 2014

    #70 is not the strongest display of a double digit intelligence I’ve ever seen.

  80. #80 Lionel A
    March 7, 2014

    Betula, melting ice eh!

    Go find a copy of ‘Chasing Ice’ by James Balog, see the ‘Extreme Ice Survey’ website.

    Ponder on the breakdowns, problems and agonies that Balog overcame to continue with his quest, also documented in the DVD set of ‘Chasing Ice’.

    As indicated in that set James Balog was intent on continuing his photography records in Antarctica.

    Now watch the video here and pay attention to James Balog’s comments WRT the reality of climate change:

    Capturing Melting Ice Glaciers in Antarctica.

    Maybe those who peddle for the GWPF etc. should go and push their survival skills and give up the comforts of armchair positing and me real men like James.

    But of course you will ignore all this Betula, (and GSW, OP etc) for out of sight is out of mind.

  81. #81 Lionel A
    March 7, 2014

    For those ballyhooing about the Crok & Lewis non peer reviewed I have just had a look into Real Climate using ‘Forster & Gregory’ as a search string and turned up this interesting article:

    A Bit More Sensitive…

    and links for others.

  82. #82 cRR Kampen
    March 7, 2014

    #79, the crock was presented in The Hague before the usual tiny group of old white retards, a number of members of the local proto-fascist eh ‘populist’ party, a free lance journalist and one or two normal people who came to take a peek at the scam (from which I present this reporting not worded in their words).

    cRR btw had rather a laugh at Lewis’ ‘objective Bayesian school’ as Lewis dismissed himself as a statistician. Look what he did to the concept of ‘high quality data’ – he takes it to mean ‘data with a loud & clear signal’. That is, he knows better but wants us to become ignorant, much like Carter’s system of talking everyone out of the concept of ‘average’.

  83. #83 Lionel A
    March 7, 2014

    Who do these speakers remind you of, from Climate Crocks:

    Australian Coal Producers Roll Out New Climate Policy?

  84. #84 Lotharsson
    March 8, 2014

    Yes, it would be hard for us to never experience it in unrecorded history.

    What a bizarre response. Do you have a cognitive defect, a problem understanding English, or simply can’t think of a better way to try and respond to the point being made without changing your position other than by deliberately missing it?

    Of course, the mere fact it was experienced, can only means that the experience will continue,…

    Well, no.

    Basic logic – it’s a foreign concept for you, isn’t it?

  85. #85 BBD
    March 8, 2014

    Intellectual honesty is the foreign concept, Lotharsson.

  86. #86 Lionel A
    March 8, 2014

    What a bizarre response.

    Well that whole post was bizarre displaying the characteristics of a simple mind where this:

    …since the future often repeats the present.

    is total tosh. The future never faithfully repeats the present or the past for that matter.

  87. #87 Betula
    March 8, 2014

    Sloth and Lionel, good to see nothing gets by you two. Expecting you to pick up on sarcasm is something I blame myself for…

  88. #88 chek
    March 8, 2014

    Betty, if you were half as clever as you think you are, you’d still be twice as dumb as a box of spanners.

    There was no ‘sarcasm’ there, just you struggling with abstract concepts. And losing.

  89. #89 Lionel A
    March 8, 2014

    Expecting you to pick up on sarcasm…

    Sarcasm! Sarcasm only works when it is correctly framed. If you have paid for a correspondence course in sarcasm then you should ask for your money back.

  90. #90 BBD
    March 8, 2014

    Sarcasm? Really?

  91. #91 GSW
    March 8, 2014


    Article that will resonate here I’d have thought,

    “Not even climate change will kill off capitalism”

    “But the left would be better off learning from its past mistakes. Capitalism might well be capable not only of adapting to climate change but of profiting from it.”

    PS It’s a Guardian piece obviously.

  92. #92 Lionel A
    March 8, 2014

    Of course GooSe W it may seem like a paradox to you that we don’t agree with everything written in even the Guardian. I could find many a rogue article if I wanted to.

    Now this is the face of capitalism that needs exposing and chopping off at the knees:

    Incompetence Is No Obstacle To Incredible Wealth For CEOs,

    Executive Excess 2013: Bailed Out, Booted, and Busted

    they will probably not learn until the tumbrels start to roll again, by which time life is going to be hell for most.

    But of course you cannot think your way to such considerations can you, not bright enough.

  93. #93 chek
    March 8, 2014

    The problem with Griselda’s attempted provocation is that it suits it to conflate the definition with the current experience, so I’ll put this in kindergarten terms..

    I’d posit that most people on Earth believe that if they provide goods or services that they are not being unfair to charge an extra percentage of the cost to them in order to provide for further development of their product, some insurance against slack times and, at the end of the day, some reasonable provision towards a better life.

    The problem we face today is from crony and corporate capitalism which seeks to extinguish any threats to its existence, and the creation of ever more dangerous financial instruments to achieve those aims.

    “Too big to fail” is just the modern vernacular for “over a barrel” and the game “chicken”.

  94. #94 BBD
    March 8, 2014

    Comrade GSW

    Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the Committee. The journalist responsible for this counter-revolutionary propaganda is already on his way to the re-education camps in a cattle truck.

    Unblinking vigilance such as you have displayed here is a necessary part of the progress towards World Socialism. Together, we can root out incorrect thought.

    The people salute your diligence!

  95. #95 chek
    March 8, 2014

    Komrad BBD, do not be remiss and think that Komrad Griselda is – or indeed can be – anything other than a conduit for Astroturf Central. Just look at Komrad Griselda’s sterling work recently in promoting …. er… the thoughts of Komrad Lawson.

  96. #96 BBD
    March 8, 2014

    Comrade Chek

    No fear, dude!


  97. #97 GSW
    March 8, 2014

    From the other side, link to Fox News piece, “Senate Dems to urge climate change action with ‘all-nighter'”

    Warning: Marxists may find some scenes distressing,
    (H/T ClimateDepot)
    PS Good luck with the Class Struggle.

  98. #98 BBD
    March 9, 2014

    Class struggle? You have no idea. I had a posh mum from the southern counties and my dad was the son of a coal miner from the Midlands. Although he did have a PhD by the time they met.

    They got along fine.

    You have the political awareness of a blancmange.

  99. #99 chek
    March 9, 2014

    Luckily for Komrad Griselda, over-production of clichés means it still has a ready, if increasingly ineffectual, supply to hand. For a limited period only.

  100. #100 Lotharsson
    March 9, 2014

    Expecting you to pick up on sarcasm is something I blame myself for…

    And so you should!

    Sarcasm only works in a response when it connects with what was actually said rather than mangling it.

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