March 2014 Open thread

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  1. #1 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    From the other side, link to Fox News piece…

    Not news for me you twerp, but then you have no idea do you, being a half awake zombie.

  2. #2 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    WRT my #90 above, and so it continues:

    While BP Stalled On Gulf Oil Spill Payments, CEO’s Pay Tripled Last Year

    Co-op Group to boost executive pay and bonuses this despite,

    despite the near collapse of its banking division

    .

  3. #3 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    Proof that Delingpole at Breitbart knows not what he is writing about, H/T for the link Sou in the NASA has-beens post:

    Using calculations by George Stegemeier of the National Academy of Engineering, they estimated the total quantity of recoverable oil, gas and coal on the planet. They then used 163 years of real world temperature data to calculate Transient Climate Sensitivity (ie how much the world will warm as a result of the burning of all the carbon dioxide in the fossil fuel). The figure they came up with 1.2 degrees C which is considerably lower than the wilder claims of the IPCC, whose reports have suggested it could be as high as 4 degrees C or more.

    .

    James, why do you think CO2 is used in fire extinguishers if it burns? Do firefighters want to make a blaze worse?

  4. #4 Olaus Petri
    March 9, 2014

    There is Jeffie’s first hand climate change spider and there is climate change of Lake Superior from 2013:

    ‘Lake Superior, the largest of North America’s Great Lakes, is on its way to becoming the world’s biggest hot tub. According to scientists, climate change is causing the lake to heat up faster than any other lake on the planet.”

    :-)

    http://www.ibtimes.com/climate-change-causing-lake-superior-warm-faster-any-lake-planet-1427474

  5. #5 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    Come on OP, tell us what you find so amusing about that, or are you to be labelled ‘The Grinning Idiot’ ? A village somewhere is missing you.

  6. #6 Olaus Petri
    March 9, 2014

    C’mon Lionel, isn’t it funny that Lake S has record ice one year after it was claimed to be heating up faster than any other lake on the planet? ;-)

  7. #7 chek
    March 9, 2014

    Olap, if measurements have shown the lake to be warming, would you kindly provide your research figures to dispute that. Oh, and in addition define ‘record ice’.
    Impressing idiots is easily done, but surely you have more than a two word phrase to crow about.

  8. #8 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    S’funny. A post didn’t appear and so thinking it had misfired I tried again, same result. Was there a link it didn’t like?

  9. #9 BBD
    March 9, 2014

    How many links were there? This blog auto-moderates at four, IIRC.

  10. #10 Olaus Petri
    March 9, 2014

    Chek dear, I’m sure there are a lot of missing heat in the deapth of Lake S that will bite the record ice in the ass in April or so.

    Record ice on the lake that is heating up faster than any other lake on the planet is of course consistent with what the science says. Silly me. :-)

  11. #11 BBD
    March 9, 2014

    Olaus

    So you don’t dispute the scientific evidence that Lake S is warming up rapidly. You do find it implausible that the surface of a cold body of water that is warming (but is still a cold body of water) might freeze during an exceptionally cold winter.

    Not only are you confused about what happens when the surface of a lake cools to 0C, you are arguing from personal incredulity on the back of it. It’s a dog’s breakfast of an argument.

  12. #12 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    How many links were there?

    Only the one and I was under the impression the magic number was three.

    But then for OP all numbers are magic, maybe that is the cause of the problem.

    I’ll try that link again, on its own, next post.

  13. #13 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    Aha! Failed again! Hum!

  14. #14 chek
    March 9, 2014

    So Olap, you’re argument is that as an idiot, you personally can’t comprehend it, therefore it proves the science wrong.

    Unfortunately, to the rest of the world it demonstrates why we don’t go to idiots for answers, since time immemorial.
    Nor is that ever likely to change.

  15. #15 Olaus Petri
    March 9, 2014

    Dear BBD, I’m sure the fact that Lake s is heating up faster than any other lake on the planet is a very robust one, like the settled science that says global surface temp is accelarating faster and faster. So far though its only Jeffie’s first hand proxie-spinder that cofirms the latter with any scientific accuracy :-)

  16. #16 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    Aha! including the .org after econnexus and then the specific page ident failed too. Curious.

  17. #17 David Duff
    This Septic Isle
    March 9, 2014

    Hello, my Holy Brethren of the United Chapel of Deltoid, I’m sorry to interrupt your evening chant but being a very well brought up chap I thought it only right to thank you all for the last two days of global warming. After all this rain I never thought to see the sun again and so I increased my chant of “I belieeeeeve, I belieeeeeve” to even greater lengths and, lo, the sun shone!

    Of course, as we know, some ‘sillies’ have been doing you down by claiming that all this rain is exceptional and the result of global warming but, of course, we know, just as the Met Office knows, that it is not at all exceptional. Every few decades we get a ‘damp patch’ – and they have the rainfall records to prove it!

    Anyway, thanks again for a bit of global warming and I promise to produce all the CO2 I can to help things along!

  18. #18 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    Page ident:

    /the-weather-report-from-soggy-south-west-england/

  19. #19 Lionel A
    March 9, 2014

    Pay attention to this Duffer:

    Climatologist Who Predicted California Drought 10 Years Ago Says It May Soon Be ‘Even More Dire’.

    Read past the California references to understand the mechanisms at work and how they impact our here and now, and future, in the UK.

    Mark well:

    There is credible peer-reviewed scientific work by leading climate scientists, published more than a decade ago, that hypothesized that precisely this sort of blocking pattern would become more frequent with disappearing Arctic sea ice. Moreover, Arctic sea ice has declined precipitously in the intervening decade. So it seems quite clear that there is a potential connection, in a statistical sense, between human-caused global warming, declining Arctic sea ice, and the anomalous blocking pattern this winter that has added to other factors we know are tied to human-caused climate change (warmer temperatures and increased soil evaporation, and decreased winter snowpack and freshwater runoff) to produce the unprecedented drought this year in California.

    To claim that it is “quite clear” there is no connection at all turns the burden of scientific evidence completely on its head. Such a statement defies logic.

  20. #20 chek
    March 9, 2014

    Oh look El Duffus is back to tell us he doesn’t know the difference between an irrational belief system and science.
    While demonstrating an irrational belief in some nugget from some other irrational idiot blogger.
    You’re always a clown Duffus, but the same joke repeated over again and again indicates your material isn’t renewable.

  21. #21 BBD
    March 9, 2014

    Olaus

    Dear BBD, I’m sure the fact that Lake s is heating up faster than any other lake on the planet is a very robust one, like the settled science that says global surface temp is accelarating faster and faster.

    The mainstream scientific position is that warming will accelerate during the course of this century if CO2 concentrations continue to rise. The mainstream scientific position is that warming will not be monotonic because natural variability has not magically ceased. There will be periods when warming slows down and periods when it speeds up, imposed on the increasing centennial trend.

    Why don’t you know this stuff? You comment on climate but are – apparently – completely ignorant of the actual scientific position. Consequently, you come across as an idiot.

  22. #22 BBD
    March 9, 2014

    Duff

    but, of course, we know, just as the Met Office knows, that it is not at all exceptional. Every few decades we get a ‘damp patch’ – and they have the rainfall records to prove it!

    Indeed they do:

    As February comes to an end provisional rainfall figures (from 1 December 2013 to 25 February 2014) confirm the UK has had its wettest winter since the national series records began in 1910.

    New records have been set for many parts of the UK, with southeast and central southern England having seen well over double the rainfall expected in a normal winter.

    It has also been the wettest winter in the long running England and Wales Precipitation (EWP) series going back to 1766, with 435 mm of rain being recorded up to 24th February. This beats the previous record of 423 mm set in 1915.

    Posting nonsense makes you look like an idiot.

  23. #23 Olaus Petri
    March 9, 2014

    BBD, tell that to the guys looking for the missing heat. :-) They seek it here, they seek it there, they seek it every where…

    You are something extra BBD. :-) It’s uncritcal tent-shakers like you and Jeffie that came up with the meme in the first place, ergo that every little heat wave was a proof of an accelerating surface temp. But hey, during the very same time the temp was on a stand still, remember? :-)

    And now CO2 can cause cold as well, in a robust way, mind you.

    By the way, the sceptics knew all along that it was weather, not climate.

  24. #24 chek
    March 9, 2014

    during the very same time the temp was on a stand still,

    But it wasn’t. That’s just cherry picked fantasy you choose to believe. In the real world, the cryosphere is collapsing (with spectacular drops in 2007 and more so in 2012) and the last ten warmest years on record during your fantasy “hiatus”. You might recall that your bezzie mate Jonarse quit his visits here when he had no answer to those facts.

  25. #25 Olaus Petri
    March 9, 2014

    Chek, you are so mentally challenged that it’s very difficult to communicate with you. Listen carefully, I say this only once: When the heat goes up, like it did between ca 1975-ca1998, and it hasn’t got colder (or warmer) since, it means that there is a hiatus (call it wahtever you want choirboy). Your drivel about “wamest years” has no bearing on the topic, ergo the existance of a hiatus. Of course the years on the hiatus must be among the warmest. Why shouldn’t they? Nobody claims that the temp has gone down, you braniac.

    Get it, cheek? (I guess not)

  26. #26 chek
    March 9, 2014

    Olap, you’d be better served denying reality and logic by going back to your blogs that pander to liars, charlatans, the idiotic and the ignorant where you’ll feel more at home and less challenged in your stupidity. There has been no hiatus, as innumerable past links have demonstrated. You’ll likely ignore this one too, with your beloved stupid being such a fragile thing.

  27. #27 chek
    March 10, 2014

    I guess the stupid and insane like Olap et al can only bang on about their imaginary hiatus until their think-tank providers can devise something even more stupid and reality defying for them to parrot.
    Stupid because it defies the data, and reality defying because nothing has occurred to change the basic problem of more energy entering than leaving the Earth system. But then one can’t expect a rational response because of the stupidity and insanity.

  28. #28 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    Olaus

    You haven’t understood #19.

    Read the words.

  29. #29 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Olap has neither the intelligence nor courage to answer, BBD. You might as well ask a parrot what it meant.

  30. #30 adelady
    city of wine and roses
    March 10, 2014

    It hasn’t warmed since 1998, huh. So did I dream the record that shows the first decade of this century – pay attention at the back there! all ten years being since 1998, got that? – was the hottest ever?

    OK. It looks as though the World Meteorological Organisation remembers that too. So it wasn’t a dream after all. https://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press_releases/pr_976_en.html

  31. #31 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    The reality chek, is that while you sooth-sayers claimed that the temp was accelerating there was a stand still for ca 15 years :-)

    But you favor Jeff’s first hand spider before thermometers and satellite records, and it speaks volumes about you, not the climate. :-)

  32. #32 chek
    March 10, 2014

    you sooth-sayers claimed measurements showed that the temp temperature was accelerating there was a no stand still for ca 15 years.

    I’ve corrected your stupid, worn-out meme so that you can at least parrot words that are correct. You’ll find that the data doesn’t support your position, but then it never has which is why you’re classified as an idiiot. And a wilful idiot at that.

  33. #33 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    Dutch country record for 1-10 March was +20.9° C is +21.9° C as of yesterday. After no winter, already ffing summer.

  34. #34 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    #31 – correction, old record was ‘only’ +20.6° C. And damn it was old (1989).

  35. #35 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Chek, you data is Jeff’s first hand spider. :-)

    The rest of us (with an inclination for science) wonders where the missing heat is at.

    Lake Superior? ;-)

  36. #36 chek
    March 10, 2014

    you (sic) data is Jeff’s first hand spider

    You’ve been linked to data already, but firstly you’re too dumb to understand it and secondly you can’t provide any. Which is why you can only repeat yourself like the good little parrot you are.

  37. #37 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Chek, the data says there is a hiatus and (sic) that the years within the hiatus (ca 15) are among the warmest. Its still a hiatus though. The warming wasn’t going faster and faster despite your beliefs. Plain and simple chek. :-)

    I noticed that you mentioned your mentor Jonas and it seems that he has a hard time commenting in his own thread. Do you know why? His educational posts are always welcome, and it would be a pity if they didn’t come through, especially for you chek.

    You know anything about it?

  38. #38 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Olap – if the data said that, you’d be able to show it.
    But you can’t – it’s just something you were told and you believe, because you haven’t a clue what any of it means.

    And all I know is that Jonarse is just another two-bit denier idiot who’s not missed, except by his fellow loonies and olap dogs.

  39. #39 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    #35, instead some 500-600 cubic kilometers of water equivalent of ice melted this century. The ‘hiatus’ of cola with ice cubes in the summer.

  40. #40 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    #37, oi, that melted on average per year this century.

  41. #41 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    Date record today might hold (0.5° C to go).

  42. #42 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    #39, oi, only a tenth to go now.

  43. #43 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    On par (17.9° C in 1997 and today).

  44. #44 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Chek, the data says so. The “heat is missing” and it’s not a travesty that you can’t acount for it, because you are such a mouth frothing religious buff.

    Hey, watch out, a spider!

  45. #45 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    Killed it. 18.0° C. Well done, we want only 21st century temps in our stats, this is the 3rd date record in row (incidentally the 8th was done last year and then smashed this year), fuck 1706 to 1999!

  46. #46 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    Note again how Olaus is about as original as an old pair of shoes. Jonas called me Jeffie: Olaus calls me Jeffie. GSW calls me Napoleon: Olaus calls me Napoleon. Betula makes some idiotic remark about a spider: Olaus parrots it.

    We all know he’s as thick as a sack of potatoes, but even with this level of ignorance, he still thinks he is being hilariously funny in copying the inane comments of others.

    As I have said many times, our resident Swedish thicko doesn’t understand the concept of scale, or that there is no hiatus if one consider biotic responses (in other words, why are species still showing distributional/altitudinal/phenological shifts if there has been a hiatus? Clearly nature itself hasn’t been told. Since the Swedish meatball doesn’t read the primary literature (and wouldn’t understand it if he did) he’s stuck on meaningless memes. Oh, and unoriginal insults.

    Its also sad how he and GSW frequently go to the asylum thread names after their similarly intellectually challenged idol (Jonas) in a desperate attempt to seek his approval. Olaus is a complete pillock, to use a British term.

  47. #47 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    Some advice before you open your pathetic little mouth again Olly: the empirical literature has literally hundreds of published studies over the past decade showing a range of biotic (plant, animal) responses to warming. And it is ongoing.

    You won’t win a debate in a million years claiming that it ain’t so, if you’ve never looked for them. They are there, you brainless twerp. Get off your butt and do some searching and reading. Pleading ignorance may work with some of your equally brain-challenged morons, but ii a scientific arena you are out of your depth.

  48. #48 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    On the insanity thread Olaus actually asks two ridiculous questions:

    Q: “Why is that Jonas’ posts are being delayed?”

    A: Umm.. because they are vacuous bullshit?

    Q: “Can it be fixed?”

    A: It isn’t broken sweetheart. The fact that they are blocked means the system is working just fine.

  49. #49 chek
    March 10, 2014

    the data says (sic) so

    I’ve linked you to data upthread, and this hiatus denier meme has been ground up and pounded into the dust for over a year now.
    So you’re a liar.
    Most likely a parroting fool who understands nothing and believes any old denier tripe without understanding it, but still a liar. Cue another would-be smart-mouth reply from Olap’s prolapsed arse with no credible reference.

  50. #50 Bernard J.
    March 10, 2014

    I see that Olaus is subscribing to the Church of Pausology.

    Perhaps he could hook himself up to an e-meter and ask himself these questions:

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/02/10/the-real-difference-between-skeptics-and-deniers/#comment-85157

  51. #51 cRR Kampen
    March 10, 2014

    ‘Working’ at a Dutch idiot for close to ten years now. He posts the exact same total nonsense ALL the time.
    How tF! can someone remain an ignorant troll like that for ten ffing years??
    He’s one of those typicals… Creationist, check. He thinks tropical everywhere would be the best climate everywhere (of course the stinker does not emigrate to his favoured climate, ever) while at the same time believing the Ice Age Is Nigh (like every ffing one of those ten years, of course).

  52. #52 chek
    March 10, 2014

    It’s amazing isn’t it?

    Can it be fixed?”

    The Swedish troupe troops in here like Manuel the waiter in Fawlty Towers with his even dumber brothers, trolling their reference-free stupidity and then wonder why their assumed ‘right’ to engage is modified and they’re not missed.

    Can it be fixed?”

    Your individual and collective value and credibility?
    Not in a million years, sunshine.

  53. #53 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Jeffie I know you think your first hand spider trumps thermometers and satellites. I don’t though. :-)

    Bernie, the paus is there and it is “mysterious” given that “we” knew that the temp was rising faster and faster. As it is only Jeffie’s spider is faster and faster…

    It’s a scale-thing, you know. :-)

  54. #54 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Chek, Deltoid carries “enough material for an entire conference”, thanks to you and the rest of the fawlty climate scientology bunch barking away here. :-)

  55. #55 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    Olaus

    The reality chek, is that while you sooth-sayers claimed that the temp was accelerating there was a stand still for ca 15 years

    More rubbish from a liar. Read #19 you fucking dishonest moron.

    Then look at the data. Warming over the last 15 years.

  56. #56 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    The rest of us (with an inclination for science) wonders where the missing heat is at.

    It’s in the ocean. Look at the data, dishonest, ignorant moron.

  57. #57 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    So we have ample confirmation that Olas the Petrified (in argument) is a ‘Grinning Idiot’, aka GIT.

  58. #58 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    Mr Swedish meatball,

    Read the friggin literature! Or do I have to stick every paper in front of you?

    I experienced a clot from Canada once who claimed that there was no evidence that acid rain harmed freshwater or forest ecosystems. I replied that there were piles of studies showing that indeed acid rain posed a serious threat to these ecosystems. His reply? “No there isn’t, because I haven’t read any”. I then asked if he’d looked for them, and he said no. Seriously.

    So there you have it: Olaus doesn’t read the scientific literature, so there is no proof of recent biotic responses to warming. THIS is the comic-book level intelligence I have to face with AGW deniers.

  59. #59 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    I just typed in the words “Climate change and range expansion” into the Wef of Science Search engine and got 1739 hits (publications). More than 30 of those are in 2014 already.

    Lemme guess: our Swedish moron hasn’t read a single one of the 1739 papers. And he has the audacity to take about a hiatus.

  60. #60 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    Bernard @#48 that is an excellent pointer to the faux pause argument which thread contains a pointer to well worth watching Shuckburgh v Lilley exchange at the MPs on the Energy and Climate took evidence on the IPCC’s 5th Assessment Review on 11 February 2014. – House of Commons Committee, which I linked to last month as a BBC article which some abroad may not have been able to view so I hope this link works for all. Watch the Lilley melt down, most enjoyable.

    Watch and learn Olas Petrified and go look for my posts last month pointing to a three part Met’ Office report (of June 2013) on this faux pause. That should fill in any gaps in your understanding, even the large ones exposed by your posts here.

  61. #61 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    Jeff,

    His reply? “No there isn’t, because I haven’t read any”. I then asked if he’d looked for them, and he said no. Seriously.

    That reminds me of this: Richard Dawkins Interviews Creationist Wendy Wright (Part 1/7) .

  62. #62 chek
    March 10, 2014

    He won’t though, Lionel. Olap & Co.are conspiracy thrill nutters.
    Any attempt to understand what the data are actually saying kills the conspiracy stone dead. Of couse, being dumber than a mule with Alzheimer’s, that’s never a likely possibility for Olap.

  63. #63 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    Well you cannot say we don’t try to bring light where there is darkness (that for the benefit of lurkers) thus it just happens that New Scientist has an article explaining matters:

    How much hotter is the planet going to get?, note no mention of it getting cooler.

    One take home is this:

    Even if sensitivity is low, if we fail to curb emissions soon the world will warm by 3°C by 2100, taking us above the agreed “danger” threshold. On the other hand, if sensitivity is high and emissions remain large, parts of Earth could become uninhabitable.

    H/T John Hartz on the latest SkS GWPF Lewis/Crock post.

  64. #64 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Jeffie dear, your spider isn’t a proof that the globe is heating up faster and faster. Why is that so har to understand? Thermometers and satellites are better than your first hand spider.

    BBD, yes the yeti only exists in places where its hard to spot tit. Wonder why? ;-) But what happened to the settled cience claiming that the surface temps where rising faster and faster?

    After all, there is a mysterious hiatus going on right before our eyes.

  65. #65 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    Olaus Petrified

    Go study at

    #48, #54, #58, #61 above

    and stop behaving like the brain-dead numbskull that Dawkins had similar trouble with at #59.

  66. #66 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Tim, I’d suggest it’s time to banish the repetitious kook Olap to the Jonarse thread. Or just delete the drivel. It’s no loss to civilisation.

  67. #67 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    Lionel, you mean where Bernie is talking to himself at Tamino’s? Very good stuff! :-)

  68. #68 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    FFS Olaus

    Read my fucking comments

    #19 in particular. Then the falsification of your claim that there has been no warming for 15years at # 53. Then the OHC data (no “missing heat”, moron) at #54.

    Stop ignoring the corrections and repeating your stupid, climate-illiterate lies.

  69. #69 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    Chek

    Agreed. This fucking troll needs burning.

  70. #70 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    BBD, it’s quite fascinating that the settled robust sicience (thousands of scientists) knew that the suface temp was rising faster and faster when it actually did not. Yet “we” felt it in any heat wave. :-) And now you are telling me that the very same settled robust science (thousands of scientists) knew all along that the heat only was rising faster and faster in the deep ocean only (where the measurments are a lot more tricky, not to mention model based) and not in the atmosphere.

    Indeed very convincing, my dear BBD. Me think deltoid climatescaresciensettleing is very funny.

    But hey, if all the heat is in the deep blue how do you explain Jeffie’s first hand spider? If I recall it correctly, it was scientifically witnessed on the surface. :-)

  71. #71 chek
    March 10, 2014

    OP @#65
    Lionel, you mean where Bernie is talking to himself explaining things way over what my pointy little head can ever understand at Tamino’s?
    [ I’m sure it’s ] Very good stuff!
    [ But I’ll never know, coz I is thicker than over-boiled porridge wot with the numbers an’all,. innit ]

    Fixed that for you Olap. Certainly the gist of what you meant.

  72. #72 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Olap the prolapsed, “And now you are telling me ”

    There is a whole universe of difference between what you understand and the reality of what happens in the world. And you know what they say, ignorance is no excuse, no matter how much you’ve invested in it.

  73. #73 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    I know chek. It’s confusing. Like the scientists say: the hiatus is mysterious. :-)

  74. #74 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    Olaus Petrified the current GIT

    Can you inform us as to your understanding of the heat capacity of the oceans vis a vis the atmosphere, what are the respective quantities?

    Not only has heat been accumulating in the oceans, one component of SLR, but overland temps have continued to rise, just a little slower than maybe previously anticipated. Note this is not a pause in warming, nowhere close.

    Like the scientists say: the hiatus is mysterious

    Which respected scientists, where? Provide a ref’.

    Now this particular GIT is a useful GIT for it provides for showing what vacuous minds they posses.

  75. #75 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    Olaus, most Swedes can understand English well.

    You are clearly not one of them. Try and read the following words:

    THERE ARE MANY HUNDREDS OF PUBLISHED PAPERS SHOWING RANGE AND ELEVATIONAL SHIFTS AND CHANGES IN SEASONAL PHENOLOGY OF PLANTS AND ANIMALS IN RESPONSE TO RECENT CLIMATE WARMING. THESE CHANGES ARE ONGOING. THEY DID NOT STOP IN 1999.

    What part of that can your brain not fathom? As I said, we all know here that you are as thick as two planks but that statement in pretty clear.

    You constantly evade this salient fact. Why is that? Because you are too brain dead or because it vanquishes your argument about a hiatus in the warming? I think its a bit of both.

  76. #76 Jeff Harvey
    March 10, 2014

    Fellow Deltoiders,

    Olaus sticks to long discredited memes because his science comes mostly from AGW denier blogs. When challenged with facts that demolish his arguments, he simply ignores them and goes back to his original meme. Not once has he even tried to discredit the hundreds or even thousands of published studies which prove categorically that species and ecosystems are responding to AGW. He can’t. Not in a million years. So he ignores it, as if in doing so it goes away.

    Olaus represents the typical intellectual level of AGW denier we are dealing with on Deltoid. In more than a decade since I first commented on this site I have yet to encounter a single contrarian who has anything more than sophomoric understanding of science. Many of them pound their chests as if they are indeed experts (Jonas is a classic example) but in the end they all reveal their profound ignorance.

  77. #77 chek
    March 10, 2014

    It’s confusing.

    It’s only confusing when you choose to believe the cranks, liars and charlatans, which you do as a default.

    It’s not at all confusing if you look at the data.

  78. #78 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    Like the scientists say: the hiatus is mysterious.

    Where do you get this shite Olaus? Read. Start with England et al. (2014). There’s no real mystery. Increased OHC, increased negative aerosol forcings (anthro and volcanic), low solar.

    Read #19. Read the words that I wrote and stop repeating garbage.

  79. #79 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Jeff, you’re right. Olap is pretty dim even by the standards of the denier spectrum so it’s peanuts to keep slapping down his garbage. It’s not like he even understands it himself, so he can’t even make a pretence of defending it. He’ll just repeat and repeat and get smacked again until he twigs he’s looking an idiot by his own standards.
    At which point he’ll do a Duffus or a Betty or a Griselda or a PantieZ and disappear for a few weeks before repeating his whole dull cycle.

  80. #80 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    Olaus, most Swedes can understand English well.

    Yes, but this particular Swede is a manglewurzle.

  81. #81 GSW
    March 10, 2014

    Salvete Plebes!

    You’re not all going to claim to be “Hiatus” deniers now are you? it’s an active area of research! every man and his dog in the climate community has his own theory as to why.

    NCAR puff piece for Travesty’s paper here:
    “Inside the warming hiatus”
    http://www2.ucar.edu/atmosnews/opinion/10883/inside-warming-hiatus

    gavin’s “coincidence theory” here:
    “Climate models projected stronger warming over the past 15 years than has been seen in observations. Conspiring factors of errors in volcanic and solar inputs, representations of aerosols, and El Niño evolution, may explain most of the discrepancy.” (Aka “The Dog ate it”)
    http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v7/n3/full/ngeo2105.html

    WUWT has put together a short list of competing theories for the “Hiatus” here:
    “The Top Ten Reasons global temperature hasn’t warmed for the last 15 years”
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/02/28/the-top-ten-reasons-global-temperature-hasnt-warmed-for-the-last-15-years/

    Party on Comrades!
    ;)

    PS I can’t remember which one of you dickless wonders (BBD?) thought he could make things real by fabricating his own wikipedia page, but this time you don’t have to, there’s one there already!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_hiatus

  82. #82 Turboblocke
    March 10, 2014

    gavin’s “coincidence theory”

    You haven’t thought that through have you OP… if it wasn’t for those elements, then the theory wouldn’t be necessary. So it isn’t a coincidence, it’s a consequence.

  83. #83 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    GooSeWit,

    You’re not all going to claim to be “Hiatus” deniers now are you?

    Hiatus in this case is a poor descriptor to use and not initially used by scientists until discussing the label foisted upon by others.

    Let us see, from your own wiki link:

    A global warming hiatus, also sometimes referred to as a global warming pause,[2] is a period of slower global warming,

    Note, that does not mean anything has stopped. Period!

    Now picking up on only reference 2 in that article:

    Who Created the Global Warming “Pause”?
    we find,

    How could this disconnect, this huge divergence of narratives, have happened? What follows is the story of a communications failure that is ultimately harmful to all of us. And it was brought on by combination of causes that, unfortunately, we’ve seen work together before to mar the communication of climate science: Misinformation from climate skeptics, false balance and just plain bad science reporting from much of the media, and to top it all off, poor communication by scientists themselves.

    .

    So, I call foul on your claims! You are just another GIT.

  84. #84 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    GSW

    PS I can’t remember which one of you dickless wonders (BBD?) thought he could make things real by fabricating his own wikipedia page, but this time you don’t have to, there’s one there already!

    Not me, moron. You must be confused.

    Can’t you fucking read either?

    #19

    #53

    #54

  85. #85 GSW
    March 10, 2014

    @Lionel

    That’s a bit weak Lionel, a link to a mother jones article written by chris mooney? Good god, I’m glad he’s on your side, I’d feel positively soiled by the association.
    ;)

  86. #86 GSW
    March 10, 2014

    @BBD

    Apologies BBD, there’s just so many of you dickless wonders, you all merge into being the same amorphous blob after a while. Featureless, dull and nothing worth contributing; there’s more pep in elevator muzak.
    ;)

  87. #87 Olaus Petri
    March 10, 2014

    BBD, the hitaus exists and its “mysterious”. Like GSW pointed out, there are many suggestions….where is it, the accelerating global warming? :-)

    For the last 15 years it was lobal, and in a pathological way.

  88. #88 chek
    March 10, 2014

    I see the Bjornie cult are back in force – taking great care to bow and scrape and lick Jonarse’s rancid arsethread whilst here.

    And with an unsurprising lack of data – apart from the obligatory Wottbots link and a Nature paper they haven’t comprehended properly.
    They never change. They can’t.

  89. #89 Lionel A
    March 10, 2014

    I’d feel positively soiled by the association.

    Well don’t come here expecting to have your nappy changed el stinko.

    Note I was working through your links you twerp. And as I was baby-sitting at the time – getting meals for grand kids in from school I didn’t have the time to go looking up data filled stuff, of which we have already had much on this very page, that you won’t bother reading. We know that you are just a drive by dick head. Or should that be Koch head?

  90. #90 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Like GSW pointed out

    There’s your problem right there.
    You take pointers from morons.

  91. #91 BBD
    March 10, 2014

    #19

    #53

    #54

    All there, morons. The way you lot keep pretending that those words and data don’t exist on this thread demonstrates exactly how intellectually dishonest you vermin really are.

  92. #92 chek
    March 10, 2014

    Of course the biggest giveaway that informs that you’re dealing with morons with a parrot complex is that 1998 is no longer the hottest year on record. But they’re too dumb to have looked into that for themselves. They just do what they’re told.

  93. #93 Bernard J.
    March 11, 2014

    where is it, the accelerating global warming?

    Olaus, I understand that you are either brain-damaged or of low intellectual capacity (or both), so to help you answer your question:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=65

    To help further with your development of a functional understanding of the myth of a ‘pause’, you shouold consider:

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/01/30/global-temperature-the-post-1998-surprise/

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/02/09/cherry-p/

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/02/23/uncertain-t/

    http://tamino.wordpress.com/2014/02/25/by-request/

    Bernie, the paus is there and it is “mysterious” given that “we” knew that the temp was rising faster and faster.

    What pause, what mystery? Who said that it should necessarily “rise faster and faster” over the last 15 years?

    And why are you avoiding my questions at #48? Is it because you are unable to answer them, or because you are afraid to do so?

    SFB – and for morals.

  94. #94 Bernard J.
    March 11, 2014

    where is it, the accelerating global warming?

    Olaus, I understand that you are either brain-damaged or of low intellectual capacity (or both), so to help you answer your question:

    http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics.php?g=65

    To help further with your development of a functional understanding of the myth of a ‘pause’, you should consider:

    (to avoid the moderation queue – ‘tamino.wordpress.com’ with the following suffixes appended)

    /2014/01/30/global-temperature-the-post-1998-surprise/

    /2014/02/09/cherry-p/

    /2014/02/23/uncertain-t/

    /2014/02/25/by-request/

    Bernie, the paus is there and it is “mysterious” given that “we” knew that the temp was rising faster and faster.

    What pause, what mystery? Who said that it should necessarily “rise faster and faster” over the last 15 years?

    And why are you avoiding my questions at #48? Is it because you are unable to answer them, or because you are afraid to do so?

    SFB – and for morals.

  95. #95 Lionel A
    March 11, 2014

    Olas Petrified from #21,

    By the way, the sceptics knew all along that it was weather, not climate.

    Not even wrong! As Wolfgang Pauli once remarked. You see it is helpful to study a broad range of science as well as drill down through and absorb the currently relevant.

    For, as Deke Arndt once remarked, “Climate trains the boxer but weather throws the punches”.

    Which also crops up in reply #49 here , which I shall quote in full because it raises some serious points that we all realise but has not got through to the interpreters of interpretations such as yourself: I have highlighted an important point to help you,

    SecularAnimist #40 I couldn’t help noticing in the first sentence: “…scientists said…” :) Salient points I can take away from this article and bring into discussions:

    1. 4% more moisture in the air since 30 years ago.
    2. “Climate trains the boxer but weather throws the punches”
    3. It’s happening everywhere – South Africa, Brazil, the Philippines…

    I have a question. I think it’s increasingly likely that the weather will soon (how soon?) degrade our energy infrastructure and or basic utilities to the extent that CO2 emissions will plummet. Is there any data/research out there that explores this hypothesis? I had a look at IPCCAR4 but it merely talks about the need to strengthen infrastructure. A massive clean-up effort probably emits a lot of CO2, but if that boxer hits you again while you’re still reeling from the last blow…?

    Getting the picture?

  96. #96 Jeff Harvey
    March 11, 2014

    Lionel,

    You are wasting your time with Olly. He’s arrogant, stupid and ignores many inconvenient questions. I have asked him repeatedly why plants and animals (and Arctic ice for that matter) don’t realize that there is a ‘hiatus’. If there was one, the Arctic would not have reached an all time ice extent low in 2012, and plants and animals would not be continuing to exhibit shifts in phenology, growth cycles and distributions. If this were an open debate, he’d be tarred, feathered and sent packing. But because its a blog, he can dodge, weave, ignore, fake, and lie until kingdom come and think that he can get away with it.

  97. #97 BBD
    March 11, 2014

    Vermin is a vermin does, to paraphrase dear old grandma.

  98. #98 Lionel A
    March 11, 2014

    Jeff,

    Lionel,

    You are wasting your time with Olly.

    Yes, it is a funny old world where iriats like OP think it is funny to run around here exposing their ignorance to the world and yet think themselves clever for doing it. Reminds me of some denier bloggers and one funny old git who is a member of our upper legislature, or rather makes out he is so often that he believes it himself.

    But then these opportunities are useful for lurkers to gain their bearings. I guess that is the only reason why you can stand to step in the mud over at the Jonas place, I had a look in earlier, their performance in there is cringe-worthy.

  99. #99 Bernard J.
    March 11, 2014

    Anyone know what’s happened to HotWhopper? The Whoppery is still there but the blog now redirects to Google.

    Has Sou stood on too many Denialatus toes?

  100. #100 Lionel A
    March 11, 2014

    No problems here in UK Bernard, maybe its the Abbott effect down under.

    Not a mouse pointer problems with a rodent having a will of its own is it? I had one of those for awhile an MS one. The MS keyboard, one with a curvy key run which ruined touch-typing, is another magic item where the captions have worn off the keys (E, O, gone, R, S, U and T nearly gone, M, A and C on the way out) just to make things even harder.

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