March 2014 Open thread

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  1. #1 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    I opt for both, Stu. In equal and large measures.

    I am waiting for Olaus, GSW or one of the other deniers to write in here in response to my last post, arguing with their ‘vast knowledge’ and ‘expertise’ that passenger pigeons were not driven to extinction by humans, but that they just went through a ‘natural cycle’ or a ‘dip’ that just so happened to end up with them disappearing entirely.

    This is about the intellectual depth of their understanding of nature. Some of the stuff they say is so gob-smackingly simple that even I find it hard to respond. When I debated Lomborg I had to descent to the sandbox, given his understanding of the environment is also basal, but its much the same with Olly, GSW, Jonas and others.

  2. #2 Stu 2
    March 19, 2014

    Stu @# 100 previous page.
    I basically agree with you.
    I’m questioning why Craig Thomas cherry picked the last 3 years from hadcrut4 & then claimed “it is clearly over”.

  3. #3 Bernard J.
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, your observations about the complexities of the passenger pigeon’s ecology have implications for humanity’s own sruvival. In many ways we are kin the the passenger pigeon: we are an abundant k-selected species with complexities of social structure the have key vulnerability points.

    The problem is that very few of our species actually understands this.

  4. #5 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Stu2

    The troposphere isn’t the climate system. It’s only a tiny bit of it. The climate system is mostly ocean. The rate of tropospheric warming is modulated by the rate of ocean heat uptake, which, it turns out, is influenced by zonal windspeeds in the equatorial Pacific.

    When we look at the rate of increase in ocean heat content, it is clear that there has been no pause or hiatus or even slowdown in the rate at which energy is accumulating in the climate system as a whole.

    Hyperfocus on transient variability in the rate of tropospheric warming is a red-herring. With AGW, the centennial trend is the key issue, which is why deniers and contrarians go crazy trying to distract from it.

    This conversation was exhausted a page ago. Please do not attempt to restart it.

  5. #6 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    Thanks for this Bernard. Yes indeed, our ecology and that of the passenger pigeon are not as different as one might expect. Our species is supinely arrogant to think that it has evolved beyond constraints imposed by nature. Ultimately, if we not change course, this will be our undoing. There’s little doubt that we are heading for an abyss in the dark, and at an increasing rate of speed…

  6. #7 Lionel A
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff

    There’s little doubt that we are heading for an abyss in the dark, and at an increasing rate of speed…

    Indeed and one facet of that I indicated in my #81 on previous page here which may have got lost in the noise from the children 2stupid & co.. After all this is what they are reduced to, creating noise like infants wanting their nappies changed. Bwah! Bwah! Bwah! …..

  7. #8 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    I see gormless is on the Jonas thread revealing his ultra-right wing neocon/fasciist views to his hero, Jonas. In this case, he’s adoring Mark Steyn, who as anyone with a bit of common sense knows comes from the far, far end (Tea Party) of the political right. And to think gormless expects to be taken seriously.

    As I have said many times, the climate change deniers almost without exception are extreme right wing loonies. Gormless is doing nothing more than showing his true colors.

  8. #9 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    This says it all: “Mark Steyn regularly fills in for Rush Limbaugh on the Rush Limbaugh show”.

    Does it get any more obvious than this???? Simply but, the little band of deniers on Deltoid share a common political philosophy with Rush Limbaugh. And to think: gormless called me a ‘fantasist’.

    The mind boggles.

  9. #10 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Steyn has a lot of apologists from the loon wing.
    Their problem is that all they can cite is denialist trash of the ‘hockey stick is broken’ variety. There have been several previously, but the latest thread at Eli Rabett’s burrow gives the overall flavour.

    With the proceedings moving into the discovery phase, I hope Steyn is taking extra special care in traffic or crossing the road as he’s got some very ugly connections who may not appreciate the light of day being thrown on their activities.

  10. #11 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, fascism isn’t “right-wing”. I thought I had told you that it grew out of the black-and-white hateful doctrines of communism and syndicalism? That’s why its anti-liberal, anti-bourgeoisie and anti-capitalistic, like you my hateful friend. Or did you forget? :-)

  11. #12 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    Oh, here we go again with the Olaus redefinition of fascism. Olly, you are a lunatic. And I am only ‘hateful’ because I loathe right wing idiots like you. I consider that a personal attribute. Get lost or go hang out with your pals in the John Birch Society or whatever equivalent they have in Sweden.

  12. #13 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    I guess Olly is a big fan of these fruitcakes:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_Democrats

  13. #14 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Olap the monocorne is a Humpty-Dumptyist.
    A word means whatever he chooses it to mean — neither more nor less. I recall him even “correcting” Mussolini. Good times …
    Of course, what’s obvious is that along with climate denial and redefinition of ‘fascism’, other forms of denial can’t be too far behind.

  14. #15 Lionel A
    March 19, 2014

    chek the way in which arsepunk is being held by the ears and slapped around the mat over there is fine example of denier self destruction..

    Why do they keep digging their holes? Maybe these moles like being whacked.

  15. #16 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Oh, you did forget. :-) While Mussolini was a blood thursty communist, director of Avanti!, and colleague of Gramsci, he was as anti-liberal, anti-bourgeoisie and anti-capitalistic as he was when he came up with fascism.

    There you have fascism’s ideological roots in one historical package. :-)

    Why is that so hard to deal with Jeffie?

    I don’t like fascism more than you do Jeffie, even though (judged by your expressed hateful opinions) you seem to harbour many ideas that goes hand in hand with that ideology.

  16. #17 Lionel A
    March 19, 2014

    OP you are barking.

  17. #18 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    And you Lionel can’t handle the truth.

  18. #19 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Olap the monocorne, as your posting history for – what? -2 years now shows, you’re a dumbass water carrier and parrot without the means to construct an argument as you have zero understanding.
    Dumbasses like you don’t get to redefine words or terms, although you may at some point wonder why you feel the need to do so.
    But with you being merely a carrier and a parrot, I don’t see that day ever coming.

  19. #20 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Fellas, I’m more than willing to discuss, in a civil manner, the ideological roots of fascism, but it’s hard to do so when you only come up with mouth-frothing.

    We can discuss the “The young Mussolini”, if you want? When reading it it’s hard not seeing where fascism, at large, came from. I especially like the part where it is highlighted that Gramsci reckoned that Mussolin slowly transformed Avanti! into a forum for “syndicalists theoreticians”. (p. 135)

    http://books.google.se/books?id=DTZ_holEfS0C&pg=PA135&lpg=PA135&dq=mussolini+gramsci+avanti&source=bl&ots=4rIpKeF3cp&sig=2baS0inlj_iza57DSGCL26pA_Kg&hl=sv&sa=X&ei=xLQlU9b3C-ak4gT8-4GgCA&ved=0CEUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=mussolini%20gramsci%20avanti&f=false

  20. #21 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Fuck off Olap.

  21. #22 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Oh my.

  22. #23 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    I hear the loud hateful noise of empty vessels, and nothing else, like always.

    Contemplate on “the young Mussolini”. It’s food for thought, not the least for you portentologists.

  23. #24 Lionel A
    March 19, 2014

    ”sfunny what one comes across by sheer serandipity whilst going through links at sites, in a game of snakes and ladders at Eli’s I ended up on this one where stars akin to OP, GS and 2Stu self immolate as RT and TF dig deeper :


    Infra Digging Michael Tobis

    which made me wonder if that is who, Tom Fuller, Duffer got his ship-bucket-thermometer temperature reading technique from. It is good to be reminded about who are NOT the good guys and why.

  24. #25 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Lionel, anything to say about the “the young Jeff”?

  25. #26 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    Olaus, follow Chek’s advice, will you?

    You are barking, as Lionel says. As for being hateful, Olaus ever hear of pot, kettle, black? Few on this site have spewed such bile as you and your denier buddies. Some of the sites you link to – WUWT, Nova, BH, GWPF etc – are fully of foul mouthed haters. You clearly belong with them. Bye bye now.

  26. #27 chek
    March 19, 2014

    loud hateful noise of empty vessels, and nothing else, like always

    It’s always projection and hypocrisy with that lot..

  27. #28 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Heavy arguments again, this time from the old Jeff. :-)

    You like to call all and everyone a fascist and yet you are the one that embraces many of fascism’s ideological fundaments.

  28. #29 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Chek weighs in. :-)

  29. #30 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Free human beings retain the right to dismiss idiots.
    You’re dismissed, idiot.

  30. #31 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    No chek, you are completly out of historical arguments, you hateful little whiner. Very different. :-)

  31. #32 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Physical climatology has got fuck-all to do with historical “arguments”, Olaus.

    But it’s interesting to see how steeped you are in politics yourself.

  32. #33 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    But I do appreciate that it’s hard to suddenly realise that you have been living a lie (another one). In other words you are what you thought others were. Cant be fun. :-)

    Or?

  33. #34 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    BBD weighs in. :-)

  34. #35 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Olap consider that you’ve been pushing denialist lies since the beginning. Consider that you have refused to engage on every single point (because you’re unable to). Consider it no surprise that nobody will engage with – what was that projection again? Oh yes -“hateful little whiner”.
    Now considering all that, fuck off with your dopey dupe ‘politics’.

  35. #36 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    BBD points to a simple fact, Olaus.

    One you might as well acknowledge as it is self-evidently true.

  36. #37 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    Ok Olaus, you win. You’re not a fascist after all, just a right wing lunatic.

    Better?

  37. #38 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Guys, can you for once be happy losers and thank me for the lesson?

    I guess it’s to hope for too much, but at least we settled that fascism isn’t a right wing movement. Will this also mean that you portentologist will stop calling people you disagree with fascists? I certainly hope so,

    I don’t want to repeat myself.

  38. #39 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, I’m not right wing. I’m liberal if anything. But thanks for recognzing the true origin of fascism. Gold star to you!

  39. #40 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Olaus

    Personally I couldn’t give a fuck about your politics. My concern here is with your hideously inadequate understanding of physical climatology, paleoclimate behaviour and their implications for the next several centuries under a BAU or even moderate emissions scenario.

  40. #41 chek
    March 19, 2014

    @ #38 … and he’s delusional too.
    But we knew that already.

  41. #42 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    BBD, we were not discussing my politics, but the origin of fascism in the hatfeul doctrines of communism and syndicalism.

    Your portentolgy and unsicentific mindset is another matter, though very related, I’m sorry to admit.

  42. #43 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Chek, weighing in again, are we? :-)

    Why not follow your great master into the light, and admit that fascism isn’t a right wing movement?

    I’m sure you will be relieved to get it off you narrow chest.

  43. #44 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Bacause I’m not a delusional cretin like you Olap. I refer you back to comment #19
    “Dumbasses like you don’t get to redefine words or terms, although you may at some point wonder why you feel the need to do so.”
    Now be gone.
    You and your klan have nothing of any interest to add here.

  44. #45 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Your portentolgy and unsicentific mindset

    This from a moron who doesn’t understand the different thermal capacities of different parts of the climate system, eg water and atmosphere…

    I’m with chek here: fuck off, Olaus.

  45. #46 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    Olaus – you claim to be liberal? Great… so now go and spank your buddy GSW for supporting that right wing nutter, Mark Steyn…..

  46. #47 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Actually, since you’ve fucked me off, you can suffer a bit before you go, Olaus.

    Demonstrate my “unscientific mindset”. Show us all at least one concrete example of it.

    Or eat your lies.

  47. #48 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    We have several years’ worth of examples of your cluelessness and inability to understand even carefully explained basics. I reference every contribution made by you on this entire thread.

  48. #49 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    You are going to fucking suffer, Olaus…

    ;-)

  49. #50 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Can clueless dupes like Olap suffer?
    I’d certainly like too find out!

  50. #51 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Well BBD, I’m certainly not suffer from the content of your arguments. :-)

  51. #52 chek
    March 19, 2014

    That’s because you’re a time wasting troll.
    Time for strike through on all the troll’s following posts.

  52. #53 Lionel A
    March 19, 2014

    I don’t want to repeat myself.

    (which should be under the circ’s),

    so stop doing that then.

    Now. If it takes 1 calorie to heat one gramme if H2O through one degree Celsius then how much heat does it take to one gramme of pure ice through one degree Celsius assuming start and finish are below the freezing point?

    What would be the heat requirement to melt that same quantity of ice?

  53. #54 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, I’m sure GSW, like myself, reacts against the fascist leaning values expressed hear by you, and the rest of the deltoid ilk.

    But perhaps a chane is on the way, thanks to me? ;_)

    From your total lack of historical and political awareness I gather that you are not familiar with the wide green-in-the-brown sector in the German national SOCIALIST movement?:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Green-Brown-Conservation-Environment/dp/0521612772

  54. #55 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Chek, instead of saying absolutely nothing, why don’t you comment on ” the yong Mussolini” or Jeffie, if you preferr. ;-)

  55. #56 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, I’m sure GSW, like myself, reacts against the fascist leaning values expressed hear by you, and the rest of the deltoid ilk. But perhaps a chane is on the way, thanks to me? ;_) From your total lack of historical and political awareness I gather that you are not familiar with the wide green-in-the-brown sector in the German national SOCIALIST movement?: http://www.amazon.com/The-Green-Brown-Conservation-Environment/dp/0521612772

  56. #57 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Chek, instead of saying absolutely nothing, why don’t you comment on ” the yong Mussolini” or Jeffie, if you preferr. ;-)

  57. #58 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Olaus

    You claim that I have an:

    unsicentific mindset

    Even though you are such a moron you cannot actually spell “scientific”.

    Now back it up with an example (a quote).

    If you don’t, you will have been shown to be a liar.

    So best get on.

  58. #59 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Thanks chek.

    This fucker has had his chips.

  59. #60 GSW
    March 19, 2014

    @Olaus

    Well done Olaus, I think they’ve actually learnt something. Perseverance is it’s own reward it would seem.
    ;)

    @BBD

    Your “unscientific” mindset, well you’re going to have to help me with this, your

    “This fucker has had his chips.” and “You are going to fucking suffer, Olaus…”

    is that Feyman, Pauli, some other notable? or just the language of the common/unscientific herd.

  60. #61 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    GSW

    You refused to engage in a discussion of aspects of the science with me just as Olaus refused.

    You are both clearly incapable of such discussion.

    You cannot demonstrate that I have an “unscientific mindset” any more than the clown Olaus can.

    Yet here you are, flapping your mouth. Why? You have nothing to say and you have already lost all our arguments by simply refusing to participate in them.

    So you can fuck off as well.

  61. #62 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Remember this, vermin?

    1/ Does climate science claim that warming will be monotonic (Y/N)?

    [No, it doesn’t]

    2/ Does climate science claim that natural variability has stopped (Y/N)?

    [No, it doesn’t. See (1)]

    3/ Do you agree that CO2 is an effective climate forcing (Y/N)?

    4/ If you *disagree*, explain why

    5/ If you *agree*, then why will temperatures not continue to rise as CO2 concentrations increase?

  62. #63 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    And remember how you repeatedly refused to explain to me how an MCA as warm as or warmer than the present can be reconciled with a low climate sensitivity?

    How many times did I ask you that, GSW, and how many times did you refuse even to acknowledge the question?

    You are incapable of even an elementary discussion of any topic in climate science. It is obvious. It has been demonstrated here, by me, over and over again.

  63. #64 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    GSW, sometimes you and I have I have to step in an take one for the right team. ;-)

    And I reckon BBD’s unscientific mind set is very much on par with Adorno’s F-scale, ergo the authoritarian personality prone to throw democary in the bin in favour of direct action, strong leaders, and anti-parliamentarism.

    Well, maybe the young Jeff cab elaborate? ;-)

  64. #65 chek
    March 19, 2014

    GSW, sometimes you and I have I have to step in an take one for the right team. ;- ) And I reckon BBD’s unscientific mind set is very much on par with Adorno’s F-scale, ergo the authoritarian personality prone to throw democary in the bin in favour of direct action, strong leaders, and anti-parliamentarism. Well, maybe the young Jeff cab elaborate? ;- )

    1/ Does climate science claim that warming will be monotonic (Y/N)?

    2/ Does climate science claim that natural variability has stopped (Y/N)?

    3/ Do you agree that CO2 is an effective climate forcing (Y/N)?

    4/ If you *disagree*, explain why

    5/ If you *agree*, then why will temperatures not continue to rise as CO2 concentrations increase?

    Not at all strange that the dupes can’t answer a single question.
    And also strange that they pick up all their garbage “knowledge” (which they clearly don’t understand and cannot defend) from corporately sponsored interests seeking control of the State’s actions.
    Fascism, I think it’s called – although for obvious reasons the looney-toons don’t like being called on that term.

  65. #66 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    (Thanks again, chek)

    Olaus

    I repeat: you are incapable of even an elementary discussion of any topic in climate science. It is obvious. It has been demonstrated here, by me, over and over again.

    You cannot substantiate your false claim about my “unscientific mindset” which proves (again) that you are a liar.

  66. #67 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    Olaus, you are really bonkers you know that? I honestly think you are totally a raving lunatic. You seriously need a shrink.

    If you think you and gormless are the ‘right team’, then may God help us all. Gormless adores right wing lunatics like Mark Steyn. Or do you think Steyn is left wing? Or middle? Or whatever? What about Rush Limbaugh, Steyn’s mentor? Maybe he;s with the Monster Raving Loony Party….

    What I have learned from Olaus, GSW and their ilk is just how utterly loony climate change deniers are.

  67. #68 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    And there we have it. In under ten comments, an unequivocal demonstration that Olaus is a liar and GSW pretty much equals him for intellectual dishonesty.

    From now on, Olaus may be addressed as “liar” or “lying scum” or variants thereof, and GSW in a similar manner.

  68. #69 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    And I think a generous use of strikeout is probably appropriate for the next day or two – until the lying scum take the hint and bugger off back to whichever foetid sinkhole of mendacity they came from.

  69. #70 Jeff Harvey
    March 19, 2014

    And it gets even more bizarre when our resident psychopath (Olly) then claims arguments by BBD aren’t scientific… when BBD has been focusing on science all along. Just because Olly doesn’t geddit, doesn’t mean BBD isn’t talking about hard science.

    Boy oh boy, you, gormless and Jonas give me grist for the mill for my autumn lectures. ‘The wacky mindset of climate change deniers’ would be a great title. I’ll encourage my students to read Deltoid to see with their very own eyes what a bunch of cranks you deniers are.

  70. #71 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, at the age of 29 Mussolini “was recognized by his peers as a revolutionary whose education, intelligence, and accomplishment were Harvey inferior to any who exercised infuled in the Party (Socialist)” at the time. (The young Mussolini, p. 136)

    Now that you can stop inventing that fascism is footed in a right wing mileu, maybe you could also stop fabricating stuff regarding an acclerating global warming and what the science says about it?

  71. #72 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Loony, bonkers and prone to masturbatory fantasy and projection. Oh, and a persecution complex. What a mess they are.

  72. #73 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, GSW and I are the right right team, dextorous on facts and not sinister, like the fascists in the right left team. ;-)

  73. #74 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Chek, you really are contributing! Good effort! ;-)

  74. #75 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Chek, the only fantasies around here ar deltoidic, but thankfully I took Jeffie out of one of his. You know, the myth that fascism is a right wing movement.

    And of course there is no need to mention the green brownies of the national socialistic party in Germany?:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Green-Brown-Conservation-Environment/dp/0521612772

    From the book cover:

    “It is a story of ideological convergence, of tactical alliances, of careerism, of implication in crimes against humanity, and of deceit and denial after 1945. It is also a story that offers valuable lessons for today’s environmental movement.”

  75. #76 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Jeff, at the age of 29 Mussolini “was recognized by his peers as a revolutionary whose education, intelligence, and accomplishment were Harvey inferior to any who exercised infuled in the Party (Socialist)” at the time. (The young Mussolini, p. 136) Now that you can stop inventing that fascism is footed in a right wing mileu, maybe you could also stop fabricating stuff regarding an acclerating global warming and what the science says about it?
    Jeff, GSW and I are the right right team, dextorous on facts and not sinister, like the fascists in the right left team. ;- )
    Loony, bonkers, prone to masturbatory fantasy and projection, a persecution complex, convinced they’re right when the evidence shows they know nothing apart from parrot skills, and illiterate
    What a mess they are.

  76. #77 GSW
    March 19, 2014

    @Olaus

    Oh yeah “The California F-scale is a 1947 personality test, designed by Theodor W. Adorno”, wiki ref

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-scale_%28personality_test%29

    “authoritarianism, such as conventionalism, authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and “Toughness,” destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and sex.[?]”

    “The purpose of the F-scale is to measure an antidemocratic personality structure, usually defined by authoritarianism. A score of above 80 on the F-scale test indicates that the subject may be suffering from severe psychopathology. Patients who suffer from repeated episodes of disorders usually get a higher F-scale score than those who have acute disorders. Besides, people who have a high F-scale score mostly likely have a lower educational level.”

    Well, taking it as read; as long as there aren’t any sums in there I can see the deltards scoring well in this “Fascist” test. Maybe we could some little certificates printed up for them. jeff could have one on his wall.
    ;)

  77. #78 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    A certificate would be lovely GSW. I’m sure Mr Bicorne will wave it an chance he gets. ;-)

    One interest finding was that fascists and commies scored very similar on the test. Who could be surpised, given Mussolini’s background?

    The unscientific haters here at deltoid should pay attention, and I’m sure they will, now when we have set the records straight to them. ;-)

  78. #79 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    And isn’t chek cute GSW? :-)

  79. #80 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Griselda, stop fannying around with your amateur dramatics and answer the outstanding questions.
    .
    1/ Does climate science claim that warming will be monotonic (Y/N)?

    2/ Does climate science claim that natural variability has stopped (Y/N)?

    3/ Do you agree that CO2 is an effective climate forcing (Y/N)?

    4/ If you *disagree*, explain why

    5/ If you *agree*, then why will temperatures not continue to rise as CO2 concentrations increase?

    Reality (and every sane reader here, I’ll wager) care not one whit or single hoot for your corporately packaged political “views” and random “profiles”.

  80. #81 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    GSW

    You still haven’t answered my questions or apologised for joining with the lying fuck Olaus in claiming that I have an “unscientific mindset”. So no more horse-shit from you either.

    * * *

    @Olaus

    Oh yeah “The California F-scale is a 1947 personality test, designed by Theodor W. Adorno”, wiki ref

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-scale_%28personality_test%29

    “authoritarianism, such as conventionalism, authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception, superstition and stereotypy, power and “Toughness,” destructiveness and cynicism, projectivity, and sex.[?]”

    “The purpose of the F-scale is to measure an antidemocratic personality structure, usually defined by authoritarianism. A score of above 80 on the F-scale test indicates that the subject may be suffering from severe psychopathology. Patients who suffer from repeated episodes of disorders usually get a higher F-scale score than those who have acute disorders. Besides, people who have a high F-scale score mostly likely have a lower educational level.”

    Well, taking it as read; as long as there aren’t any sums in there I can see the deltards scoring well in this “Fascist” test. Maybe we could some little certificates printed up for them. jeff could have one on his wall.

  81. #82 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Explain to me how an MCA as warm as or warmer than the present can be reconciled with a low climate sensitivity.

    Engage on a topic in climate science, GSW.

    No more worthless prattle now.

  82. #83 GSW
    March 19, 2014

    @Olaus

    “A certificate would be lovely GSW. I’m sure Mr Bicorne will wave it an chance he gets.”

    Yes I thought so, and he’d be able to front it a lot more convincingly than the others I’d imagine.

    “Who could be surpised, given Mussolini’s background?”

    Yeah an authoritarian socialist apparently.

    “And isn’t chek cute GSW?”

    I was thinking “simple” rather than “cute” but if you wish.
    ;)

  83. #84 chek
    March 19, 2014

    Highly illuminating that the pointy headed monocornes can only parrot political fantasy, and are totally unable to engage with reality as represented by mainstream climate science, BBD.
    Evasion and re-writing well established dictionary definitions and terms they’ll jump at.
    It’s almost as if they haven’t the slightest idea of why they’re seen as contemptible sheep cheering their team colours, when they’re fucking colour blind.

  84. #85 Olaus Petri
    March 19, 2014

    Maybe we can we agree on “cute simpleton” GSW? ;-)

  85. #86 chek
    March 19, 2014

    In a shameless steal from Eli Rabbet’s warren, this video of the Cabot Institute lecture is worth a watch

    That it skewers and flays the Skanscum’s know-nothing, do-nothing position is but a minor supplementary benefit

  86. #87 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Come on, GSW.

    You have made a sickening spectacle out of yourself here. Stop the grotesque self-humiliation now. We don’t need to see any more.

    Explain to me how an MCA as warm as or warmer than the present can be reconciled with a low climate sensitivity.

    Engage on a topic in climate science, GSW.

    No more worthless prattle now.

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    @Olaus

    “A certificate would be lovely GSW. I’m sure Mr Bicorne will wave it an chance he gets.”

    Yes I thought so, and he’d be able to front it a lot more convincingly than the others I’d imagine.

    “Who could be surpised, given Mussolini’s background?”

    Yeah an authoritarian socialist apparently.

    “And isn’t chek cute GSW?”

    I was thinking “simple” rather than “cute” but if you wish.

  87. #88 GSW
    March 19, 2014

    @Olaus

    “Maybe we can we agree on “cute simpleton” GSW?”

    eh..OK, I’m not entirely happy with the “cute” bit, although an
    ineffectual little yappy dog persona does come to mind when he posts, so possibly.
    ;)

  88. #89 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Come on, GSW. Stop pratting around like a silly, naughty child.

    Or is that in fact it? Are you done here?

  89. #90 chek
    March 19, 2014

    We’ll get nothing from these simpering simpleton’s BBD. They’re too in love with their own threadbare in-joke a’la Duffer to have any connection with reality, and as such are expendable from any discussion.

    Their continued pollution really needs them to be confined to their hero Jonarse’s thread.

  90. #91 BBD
    March 19, 2014

    Chek

    Yes, you’re right. I wish Tim would bite down on the more egregious and provocative idiots.

    Anyway **** this for a game of soldiers. I’m for bed.

    More tomorrow, no doubt.

  91. #92 adelady
    city of wine and roses
    March 20, 2014

    Oh yeah “The California F-scale is a 1947 personality test, designed by Theodor W. Adorno”,

    Nineteen forty seven!!!

    Funnily enough, quite a few people have done quite a bit of work in this area in the 67 years since then.

    Fortunately, one of the best known is neither an inaccessible academic paper, nor is it a dense, technical book.

    Try this, the pdf is an easy read. (and you can do the questionnaires yourself as well if you really want a bit of fun). https://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

  92. #93 Jeff Harvey
    March 20, 2014

    Gormless and Meathead only have each other for solace… one a right wing lunatic (gormless) and the other who hasn’t quite decided what he is, except for hints of insanity (meatball)..

    I agree that its time Tim intervened here. Wasn’t meathead once also banished to the Jonas ‘asylum’ thread? I think its time that both these time-wasting trolls were sent there permanently. I will see what i can do.

  93. #94 BBD
    March 20, 2014

    Thanks Jeff. The fools have had enough licence for one decade. FWIW I thought Pentax, Olaus and GSW were all confined to the Jonas thread, but that may be simply newbie confusion on my part.

  94. #95 Olaus Petri
    March 20, 2014

    True to historic form you seek refuge in the bless of silencing opposing voices, even though they are correct. Hopefully though, deep down under your black-brown-red-green authoritarian skin, I have succeded in planting a seed of democracy and scientific behavior that will grow into a beatiful flower one day. :-)

  95. #96 BBD
    March 20, 2014

    even though they are correct.

    You never actually answer any questions or explicitly set out a position, so how can you claim to be “correct”?

    1/ Does climate science claim that warming will be monotonic (Y/N)?

    2/ Does climate science claim that natural variability has stopped (Y/N)?

    3/ Do you agree that CO2 is an effective climate forcing (Y/N)?

    4/ If you *disagree*, explain why

    5/ If you *agree*, then why will temperatures not continue to rise as CO2 concentrations increase?

  96. #97 BBD
    March 20, 2014

    What is your estimate for ECS (include error bars)?

    How do you reconcile an MCA as warm as or warmer than the present with a low climate sensitivity?

    Come on. Answers.

    Only once you say something can you claim to be “correct”.

    And you never, ever say anything. Therefore as usual, you are demonstrably a liar.

  97. #98 BBD
    March 20, 2014

    The reason we want you off the main thread is because you are a proven liar (many times over) and you taunt without ever engaging. This is trolling, pure and simple, and lying troll scum need to be moderated.

    So stop playing the fucking victim, stop lying, engage on specific scientific topics or accept your inevitable ban without further whining because as things stand you are begging for it.

  98. #99 Bernard J.
    March 20, 2014

    Olaus Petri.

    BBD has repeatedly asked you some fundamental questions, as have I.

    Why is it that can’t you answer even a single one of them?

  99. #100 bill
    March 20, 2014

    Oily, you are a fuckwit. A nasty little skidmark in the gusset of humanity. It’s that simple.

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