July 2014 Open Thread

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  1. #1 Nick
    July 22, 2014

    Moron at #95 must enjoy the irony of WUWT running that stale attack piece on Flannery while Watts always has the begging bowl out….

    The contents of the piece by ‘Eric Worrall’ is just repetition of quote-mining by News Ltds finest minds…obviously a slow news week at the website for the slow-minded by the slow-minded.

  2. #2 Olaus Petri
    July 22, 2014

    Friends, to make you less lonley here is the current state of the “death spiral” aka the “canary” in climate scientology:


    Scary isn’t it? ;-)

  3. #3 Nick
    July 22, 2014

    I don’t know about scary, but it’s well over 1,000,000 km2 below the mean for the satellite period baselines for this date…so the melt season is unfolding pretty much as expected.

  4. #4 Olaus Petri
    July 22, 2014

    At least the canary is better off than “previously thought”: ;-)


  5. #5 Nick
    July 22, 2014

    #4 the pick-one-outlier-and-snigger school of ‘criticism’. Arctic sea ice decline is ahead of schedule according to IPCC review of all projections.

    I can’t snigger at you as an outlier, OP, as your rejectionist projection is bang in the middle of abysmal.

  6. #6 Lionel A
    July 22, 2014

    Well Ill raise you on that oh oily prat:

    PIOMAS Arctic Sea Ice VOLUME

    Full context @:

    Neven’s Arctic Sea Ice Blog

    Reada da wordsa oily prat.

    Now stop being so silly.

  7. #7 Jeff Harvey
    July 22, 2014

    Nick, OP’s problem is that he hasn’t yet gone ‘instinct’…

    If only.

  8. #8 Olaus Petri
    July 22, 2014

    Dear Lionel, what are you raising?

  9. #9 Lionel A
    July 22, 2014

    Roll-up! Roll-up! Roll-up! Enter the clown of the circus that is Australian Parliament:

    Tony Abbott – the bridge builder.

    Sorry, but I really do not understand how such a creature could rise to the top, GSW, OP & co. may have the answers here.

  10. #10 Olaus Petri
    July 22, 2014

    I believe I have the answer Lionel. Abbot is a reaction against the unscientific climate scare cult. In other words he is your fault. :-)

  11. #11 Lotharsson
    July 22, 2014

    At least the canary is better off than “previously thought.

    Disingenuous, as previously explained. It’s better off than the worst end of the range of projections from arguably the most pessimistic researcher. That doesn’t make it “better than previously thought” by the profession, and if you understand projection ranges it doesn’t necessarily make it “better than previously thought” by that researcher.

    So apart from the fact that you’re reiterating a disingenuous argument, if I’m now confirmed to be only dying of one terminal disease instead of two I was previously diagnosed with, would you tell me that I have nothing to worry about?

    (Are you truly that thick, or do you just play super-thick on blogs because you’re not good enough to play it on TV?)

  12. #12 turboblocke
    July 22, 2014

    #9 Lionel, that was most amusing.

  13. #13 Jeff Harvey
    July 23, 2014

    Putrid’s point is like arguing that an extinction (or, in his case, instinction) rate that is predicted by experts to be as bad as 40% over a given time frame turns out to be ‘only’ 30%… as Lotharsson says above. And of course, anyone with half a brain would realize that an extinction rate of 30% is also a catastrophe.

    This reveals the depth of dishonesty to which deniers will go. They try and take a calamitous situation and put a positive spin on it. They are indeed a wretched lot.

  14. #14 Olaus Petri
    July 23, 2014

    Dear Jeffie, my instinct tells me that the Arctic sea will not be exstinct anytime soon. ;-)

  15. #15 Craig Thomas
    July 23, 2014

    What is Olaus twittering on about?
    How does a sea “be exstinct”?
    Did Olaus not even complete *primary* school?

  16. #16 Lionel A
    July 23, 2014

    Did Olaus not even complete *primary* school?

    I think Oily Prat has a distinction in Red, it being a primary colour. That is about as far as his primary education went.

    Now for a real education in some pertinent areas Oily Prat could do worse that to find a copy of the excellent, if now a little dated being of 2001 Cassell’s Atlas of Evolution: The Earth, its Landscape, and Life Forms where he will discover another Mass Extinction event indicated at the end of the holocene timeline.

    Now if OP cannot figure out when that was then this Geological Time Spiral (which I based on that found in the cited volume and to which I added a tree of mine own construction) will assist with his orientation.

    That is still a worthwhile book BTW and it is a great shame that most of US Congress and Aussie parliament are ignorant about its subject matter.

    There is now no excuse for naysaying that a mass extinction is underway, which is why atmospheric chemist Paul Crutzen originated the term for a new geological period The Anthropocene.

  17. #17 Jeff Harvey
    July 24, 2014

    Olaus exhibits classic symptoms of the Dunning-Kruger effect. No explanation needed. His quips are moronic and his grasp of English is appalling. He also does not consult the primary literature – instead, he relies on second and third party sources like WUWT and other climate change denying blogs for his scientific information. He then constantly pastes it here, as if it is the definitive source.

  18. #18 Nick
    July 24, 2014

    Ten months after the lies a correction is finally wrung out of the wretched News Ltd

  19. #19 Lionel A
    July 24, 2014

    Nick #18

    The sickening thing is that who amongst those who read the original articles and letters in that bogpaper will bother scanning that response, let alone digesting its message.

    Once again it is mission accomplished and they will not be stopped until there are severe consequences threatened, substantial fines, ban on circulation of more papers until a prominent apology is promised and if that fails custodial sentences for those who push the lies in the first place.

    Meanwhile, two decades where affirmative action in mitigation have been lost. This means that whatever the punches the boxer throws in the near future are going to be needlessly heavier than those seen thus far. Now that is criminal.

  20. #20 Nick
    July 24, 2014

    Lionel #19, last year Murdoch campaigned hard against the ALP’s suggestion of modest improvements to a timely right of reply and redress over innaccurate and misleading articles. He won, just as he had forty years ago when the Whitlam government invited news organisations to discuss an accountability framework. He just trumpets alarmist rubbish about removal of free speech, unaccountable bureaucrats and censorship, and political parties go to water.

    This correction was placed on page 8 of the paper, and reproduced in full length, obviously in the confidence that few readers would wade through it….and it took ten months to deliver what people here figured out and cross checked inside 48 hours.

    And there are a mere eighty or so further articles on climate matters in need of the same printed correction. Mission accomplished indeed.

  21. #21 Lionel A
    July 24, 2014

    Murdoch is a ‘roach, one who recently declared “…climate change should be approached with great skepticism. “

    There are some reality challenged ideologues popping up in the comments there.

  22. #22 Lionel A
    July 24, 2014

    Sou at HotWhopper has linked to this article on the Heartland Circus get together Crashed a Climate Change Denial Conference in Las Vegas

    Sad, sad, sad Delingpole, Soon and Monckton

    One thinks he is a gifted writer, another thinks he is an important scientist and another a member of the House of Lords. Which one is which I am not sure, I doubt any of them are any the wiser.

    Bast is just another ‘roach.

  23. #23 Craig Thomas
    July 25, 2014

    The Australian should have been forced to print articles of the same length and prominence under banners such as WE GOT IT WRONG ON THE IPCC.

    Furthermore, the obvious intent of that paper in peddling lies and nonsense on this topic should be punishable in criminal law.

  24. #24 BBD
    July 25, 2014

    Furthermore, the obvious intent of that paper in peddling lies and nonsense on this topic should be punishable in criminal law.

    Agreed, Craig. It’s an astonishingly serious matter. There should be concomitantly severe penalties.

  25. #25 cRR Kampen
    July 28, 2014

    And Abbott’s mass child murderers in the Levant are at it again too. Waiting for Isis.

  26. #26 cRR Kampen
    July 28, 2014

    Country wide Dutch record 24h precip was 208mm, Voorschoten 2-3 August 1948; awaiting validation of today’s 216mm, Maarssen/Utrecht.

  27. #27 Lionel A
    July 28, 2014


    Probably connected to what is happening this side of the water, ‘The Sleeve’ as the French have it.

    Torrential rain and flash flooding cause travel chaos.

    I happened to find that just in time and had a hunch some of it would come my way. I am baby-sitting a pair of Guinea-pigs for grandchildren whilst they are away further West, South Devon, on a caravan holiday with my wife. I moved out to slide their run up to the already prepared for the night hutch just in time to get the covers on before the first heavy rain. Was still tidying up as the heavens opened. Better go get this wet shirt off now.

    Judy sure has dug her hole deeper as seen at Sou’s.

  28. #28 GSW
    July 28, 2014

    Very quiet around here.

    “Global Warming” still languishing around the “bugger all” level for nearly two decades, the carbon tax has finally disappeared up its own fundament, and other, ill advised, eco energy policies reeking economic havoc (aka the so-called Green Energy Jobs Revolution in full swing ;) ) whereever they remain.


    No wonder you lot are quiet.

  29. #29 Sou
    July 28, 2014

    Is anyone else not able to post comments here? All mine are getting stuck in moderation.

  30. #30 Sou
    July 28, 2014

    Well, that one worked. Fifth time lucky :)

    Has anyone heard from Bernard J lately? He doesn’t seem to have been around for a while. P’raps on holidays?

  31. #31 Jeff Harvey
    July 29, 2014

    GSW (Gormless) is speaking out of his you-know-what again. I say this as 2014 is projected to be the warmest year in recorded history over much of western Europe – every month this year has had well above average temperatures. This from a dope who claims that temperatures have flatlined over the past 2 decades.

  32. #32 cRR Kampen
    July 29, 2014

    No Dutch record, just another top ten 24h precip number (some 160mm).

    ” I say this as 2014 is projected to be the warmest year in recorded history over much of western Europe” – true, NL is scheming two tenths over the previous record year (waaaay back in 2006).

  33. #33 Lionel A
    July 29, 2014

    “Global Warming” still languishing around the “bugger all” level for nearly two decades, the carbon tax has finally disappeared up its own fundament…

    Oh! So you are standing in for this GormlessStupidWitless ijit.

    It is going quiet here not because of imaginary lack of continued warming but that across the world the usual suspects continue to throw up their previous courses which because mother nature is now seeking in a rather loud voice is making many wake up to where the truth lies.

    Those many dis-informers are peddling hard to prevent the lash back that will surely come because they know that their enablers, including paymasters, will throw them to the crowds when that dark brown smelly stuff hits the fan.

  34. #34 Lionel A
    July 29, 2014

    Oops. recomposed and forgot to alter one word,

    ‘…because mother nature is now speaking…’

  35. #35 cRR Kampen
    July 29, 2014

    #28 – a convoluted piece on the fact that energy should be abundant, clean and distributed at a tenth of current prices.

    “German wholesale next-year electricity prices have plunged 60 percent since 2008 as green power, which has priority access to the grid, cut into the running hours of gas, coal and nuclear plants.”

    Of course GSW abhors such a thin electricity bill.

  36. #36 cRR Kampen
    July 29, 2014

    #33, what remains are the chemtrailidiots. WUWT is kind of a museum. But they have been fatally succesful, as Mother Nature is the first to acknowledge.

  37. #37 turboblocke
    July 29, 2014

    A tip when reading about Germany: if they tell you that the consumer and small user rates are very high without telling you that major users rates are average, then they’re not being honest with you. In fact, thanks to renewables, wholesale rates in Germany are so low that the way the electricity market runs needs to be altered by allowing a significant element of capacity payments. This means that, primarily fossil fuel, generators will be paid to have plant ready to supply when necessary. It’s the only way to keep them profitable until they’re made redundant by renewables.

    I note that there is talk of a capacity market in the UK. This is perhaps related to some of the FF generators closing down capacity because they can’t compete with renewables, bringing with it the danger of blackouts. Some people might see this as blackmail, whereas others might see it as a legitimate tactic to keep prices artificially high for a sector that backed the wrong horse i.e. built FF capacity based on the gamble that FFs would always be cheaper than renewables.

  38. #38 bill
    July 30, 2014

    WUWT is kind of a museum

    It is indeed. And some of the exhibits are very badly stuffed.

    The GooseSezWhat?s and Oilys of this world are just what you get left with when reality has abraded away all but the most poisonously stupid…

  39. #39 bill
    July 30, 2014

    An amusing addition to the above. What can you say? How many years have these clowns been involved in this ‘debate’?

    The hard-core denialati are lucky they’re poster children for Dunning-Kruger, otherwise they’d just die of shame…

  40. #40 Lionel A
    July 30, 2014

    Nuclear weapons, should we be worried:

    Not if you live in Jim Inhofe’s country.

  41. #41 bill
    July 30, 2014

    That’s both very funny, and very, very disturbing…

  42. #42 Lionel A
    August 1, 2014

    Now if #40 didn’t worry you maybe this will:

    Ebola crisis: Virus spreading too fast, says WHO.

    This has been going since February! Hells teeth!

    And what have we seen since

    Football World Cup
    Commonwealth Games

    on top of all other travel mostly by air.

    And of course those determined to smuggle in foodstuffs will get it in somehow.

    But er. long with rising temperatures and climate refugee uptick……the scene is set.

  43. #43 Lionel A
    August 1, 2014

    So you deniers climate change is not happening, the world is not still warming, i.e. warming has paused:

    don’t tell the birds.

  44. #44 Lionel A
    August 1, 2014

    Ebola? And then there is this:

    What’s Behind The Rise In Deadly Flesh-Eating Bacteria In America’s Waterways.

    So you hope for more warming El Duffo, be careful what you wish for. We know the seas around the UK are warming, plant and animal life is telling us. Take a sub out for ‘The Wildlife Trusts’ and inform yourself if you are not convinced.