April 2016 Open Thread

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  1. #1 Jeff Harvey
    June 5, 2016

    The only one laughing at Betula’s humor is himself… a sure sign he’s nuts..

  2. #2 Jeff Harvey
    June 5, 2016

    Actually, Battie’s video links are appropriate in more ways than he thinks. Its just been stated that the North Pole may be ice free this summer for the first time in more than 100,000 years at least. Its bloody terrifying news, but won’t be to the armchair denial brigade who will try and put some positive spin on what, is in effect, a disaster. And its further proof, if any were needed at this point, of AGW. That deniers still exist is indeed one of the great mysteries of our time.

    So the funeral dirge is appropriate for the Arctic ecosystem, and will certainly apply to Homo sapiens if we stay on the current trajectory.

    Thanks Battie for inadvertently showing that aren’t really n anti-AGW right wing loon at all. Deep down you know we’re right. The last two video links you have posted here prove it. You know we’re screwed as a species.

  3. #3 Betula
    June 5, 2016

  4. #4 Lionel A
    June 5, 2016

    What is it with Batties fixation on funerals? Battie certainly appears to be suffering from some neurosis, maybe those Dendroctonus ponderosae or Dendroctonus frontalis have bored through the cranium and are now attacking the brain cell within.

    Whatever, as he continues with his head banging distractions the Arctic Sea Ice has fallen to its lowest extent (note which does not necessarily correlate with volume which would be a better metric for evaluating the true state of the ice but is more difficult to assess) since records have been kept. On June 2 this year it was over one million square kilometres less than on June 2 2012 which was its previous record low at that time of year.

    1981-210 Average 12.540 m km2
    June 2 2012 12.265 m km2
    June 2 2016 11.089 m km2

    That is a 9.6% deficit on its previous lowest value.

    Furthermore the extent is outside the lower two sigma threshold. Indeed, except for a brief excursion in early February 2016 the extent has been below that threshold since the beginning of the year.

  5. #5 Stu 2
    June 6, 2016

    I’m really very interested in Jeff Harvey’s definition of a dying blog considering he’s claimed that WUWT is dying?
    https://wattsupwiththat.com/
    I looked up the blog and notice that it looks very, very alive compared to this one?
    The last four were only posted 2 days ago and have hundreds of comments.

  6. #6 Jeff Harvey
    June 6, 2016

    WUWT isn’t dying Stu2. It’s dead. I mean intellectually. What I see on there are comments by gumbified idiots trying vainly to either explain off AGW as some anomaly or else to go on and on about scientific and government conspiracies. It only shows that there are hundreds of idiots who think these things. That does not prove its healthy; it just proves that many minds are diseased.

    Trust you to try and claim that brainless groupthink proves a blog is healthy. These are desperate times for AGW deniers. WUWT is proof positive of that. Witness the recent posts of Jim Steele, a clot if ever there was one. He’s now been put up on Curry’s equally nauseating blog, with respect to trying to turn the mass bleaching of the GBR corals into a non-event. The guy has no relevant expertise, but that doesn’t stop him. I can’t wait for them to try and put a good spin on the catastrophe unfolding in the Arctic this year.

    For deniers, its over. The science is in. But again, that won’t stop them trying to see that humanity goes the way of the dodo.

  7. #7 cRR Kampen
    June 6, 2016

    WUWT is the asylum Battie projects about.

  8. #8 Li D
    June 6, 2016
  9. #9 Stu 2
    June 6, 2016

    I hate to disappoint you Jeff Harvey, but I’m not a follower of WUWT.
    Only looked it up because you claimed it was dying.
    That’s clearly not the case.
    This blog however is most definitely in trouble.

  10. #10 Lionel A
    June 6, 2016

    Oh dear, Spangled !

    The sight of those ‘mansions’ packed in like containers at a cargo dock makes me wonder what’s the point of such extravagance. Insurance payments on condition of building a new property of more sensible size well away from future SLR.

    Why should others subsidise such stupid excess?

  11. #11 Jeff Harvey
    June 6, 2016

    I hate to disappoint you, Stu2, but I am not a follower of WUWT either.

    And its dead. Not dying, but dead. Intellectually stiff. Ceased to be. It has met its maker. Its a dead blog. Given the growing evidence for AGW, WUWT has become a parody of itself. Some of the comments on there are so utterly stupid as to defy belief. That you think its healthy says more about you than anything else. You may not read it but you belong there.

  12. #12 Wow
    June 6, 2016

    “WUWT isn’t dying Stu2. It’s dead. I mean intellectually.”

    The zombies couldn’t find any brains.

    If only they’d been Vampires (or unicorns…).

  13. #13 cRR Kampen
    June 6, 2016

    #10, re the zombies, Wow, of course you mean Battie and Stupie starving and trying to come feed of ours? Apparently, ours are to hard for those suckers. Lil itches.

    As to Deltoid, perhaps its demise is a structure more than a process. Haven’t seen it particularly evolve or dissipate in any way for over years now. Same zombies come for same brains basically. Same pronunciations re the blog’s death uttered weekly or daily. Same hiatus on the empirical knowledge – growth (we now know that we’re fucked for another hundred reasons yearly).

    #9, Harvey, sir, did you say: This blog has met its maker?

  14. #14 cRR Kampen
    June 6, 2016

    +f and add another pair of those anywhere.

  15. #15 Betula
    June 6, 2016

    4-5 remaining souls….stuck in Deltoid Purgatory.

  16. #16 Craig Thomas
    June 7, 2016

    “Given the growing evidence for AGW, WUWT has become a parody of itself. Some of the comments on there are so utterly stupid as to defy belief.”
    It’s not nearly as funny as Jo Nova’s blog, though.
    I hardly ever go there any more, maybe I should.

  17. #17 Jeff Harvey
    June 7, 2016

    RR, yes, I quoted Month Python from the dead parrot sketch…

    As for evaluating the ‘health’ of a blog, in Stu2’s lexicon its based on the number of visitors or hits. Thus, blogs supporting unlimited gun use, fascist beliefs, flat Earth theories, and blatant racism would be apparently ‘ healthy’ to him if they attract a lot of visitors and are loaded with comments.

    WUWT certainly gets a lot of visitors, many (most?) of whom are IMO intellectually brain dead. Sou at Hot Whopper posts up some of the funnier ones, but she has a lot to choose from. Blogs like WUWT are hanging onto the precipice, as all of their dominant memes (the urban heat island myth, the hiatus that wasn’t, etc. etc. etc.) are rapidly being vanquished by the empirical data. So the’ve switched over to conspiracy modes at an ever increasing rate.

  18. #18 Lionel A
    June 7, 2016

    On dying, why Betula and Stu2 inhabit an intellectual vacuum.

    Cue some vacuous comments to follow from the diuretic duo maybe along the lines about we hypocrites who use computers and yet ‘preach’ about AGW and other bad things humans are doing to the planet.

    A dystopian future is already the present for millions and it is a desire to help prevent the enlargement of such that is behind our engaging with such unattractive personalities as this pair of fuckwits, the others that will doubtless be along shortly.

  19. #19 cRR Kampen
    June 7, 2016

    #15, WUWT is decomposing and emitting ugly smells. Fact.
    However, the mess could still contaminate the place with cholera or Trump, and might.
    The same stuff that WUWT is made of actually rules a number of countries e.g. Australia (though AUS might flip to sense again in July’s elections). It holds majorities in both US chambers.
    The Empire of Chaos has adopted nutty conspiracy theories time and again and has often acted pretty deadly on them. McCarthy, ‘War on Drugs’, believing that a tiny east Asian country would convince the entire world foremost the USA to adopt communism, ..

    To be sure, the blogosphere is changing for the better, so the MSM should start to follow.
    But over last year a number of droughts were associated with El Niño only; ‘climate change’ or ‘global warming’ would never be mentioned, thus having us all forget that those droughts all started before this El Niño even existed, some of them already for years. With Niño gone I wonder what the MSM will do now to explain e.g. the huge IDZ’s of the US southwest, Africa, Levant, northwest India, parts of Brazil, south and east Australia.

    I even find it hard to read Sou. The ugly smells seem to permeate.

    #13 projection, always projection

  20. #20 Betula
    June 9, 2016

    Can you hear it?

  21. #21 Li D
    June 9, 2016

    #18
    By god thats in bad taste you
    trolling wanker.

  22. #22 Lionel A
    June 9, 2016

    Indeed Li D but what else to expect from such a gauche know-little disrespectful ex-marine (if that can be believed).

  23. #23 Craig Thomas
    June 11, 2016

    Don’t diss the marines, please, they have a long history of not being able to use their brains and taking excessive casualties as a result. Not to mention their other activities:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Okinawa_rape_incident

    https://www.rt.com/news/344560-marine-rape-okinawa-confession/

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-us-marine-kenneth-shinzato-prime-suspect-rape-murder-okinawa-woman/

  24. #24 Craig Thomas
    June 11, 2016

    (Those 3 are all seperate events).

  25. #25 Craig Thomas
    June 11, 2016

    Oh, but there’s so much more…
    http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2012/12/14/national/u-s-marine-gets-four-years-for-molesting-woman-in-okinawa/#.V1tgNOSurIc
    Cpl Iain Tarver raped a woman in an alley at 4:30am.

    http://www.japanupdate.com/2012/12/u-s-marine-arrested-for-home-intrusion-in-naha/
    Cpl Anibal Barraza Ortiz tries to break into a young woman’s apartment at 4:25am.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/6-marines-on-okinawa-arrested-for-drinking-driving-in-just-over-a-week-1.351258

    What a bunch of low-class morons.

  26. #26 Craig Thomas
    June 11, 2016

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/25/usa.japan
    Staff Sergeant Tyrone Hadnott rapes a 14-year-old in 2008..

    http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/09/japan.usmarine/
    Lance Cpl. Larry A. Dean, Sgt. Lanaeus J. Braswell, Gunnery Sgt. Carl M. Anderson & Gunnery Sgt. Jarvis D. Raynor gang-rape a 19-year-old.

    Heh. I wonder if Betula recognises any of those names…?

  27. #27 Wow
    June 11, 2016

    Part of the problem, and the basis of the entire thing, is that the training for a standing army is to make the soldiers consider everyone else not entirely human and “not like us”, then proffer violence as the moral choice.

    When combined with their recruitment of the poor, therefore desperate, for the rank and file, and the lack of education on *how to think* in the schools of the poor residential areas in the USA, this leads to people who are easily brainwashed into violence ***whilst still being absolutely nice and decent people***. Just that they are only such if they see you as “like us”.

  28. #28 Li D
    June 11, 2016

    ” poor ” ” USA ”
    Nah, dont reckon.
    They rich as.
    Annual starvation death rate is?
    Bet ya at least half of em have
    a house designed especially for
    their motorcar. The house designed
    specially for their motorcar very likely
    has mains electricity and potable water
    supplied to it.
    Aint no poor marines. Or very very few
    anyhow.
    Not making a deal out of it. Just stating
    the bleeding obvious about how rich yanks are.
    One of the things thats made em so rich is trashing
    the environment. Just like Australia.

  29. #29 Wow
    June 11, 2016

    The families they came from are overwhelmingly from low economic backgrounds and from depressed areas. If for no other reason than they have little choice BUY army life or the dole.

    And paying “well” ensures loyalty to the employer, even if corrupt, and the employed will even try to see excuses or evidence that supports a benign interpretation of actions of their employment. But it doesn’t make the upbringing before they were employed better paid. No retroactive payments.

  30. #30 Li D
    June 11, 2016

    With respect wow, i reckon we have
    widely differing views on what constitutes
    a low economic background or a
    depressed area.
    Im ok with that. People have all kinds
    of views.

  31. #31 Wow
    June 11, 2016

    With respect, I don’t know how you can figure that out, given nothing was even vaguely delineated on economic background on either side.

    The war machine pays well, but it wants compliant applicants without better choices so that their reprogramming works better.

    The officer corps requirements is rather different, so maybe you’re concentrating on a different area.

    And higher income families have both better choices AND better education systems to prey off.

    Low intelligence and low pay aren’t strictly concordant, but it’s harder work for a poor person to remain uneducated and therefore pliant despite inherent (untrained) intelligence, and just because you have a high class school to go to doesn’t make it a cinch to be smart (See Trump).

    And, again, this may be what you’re thinking toward without being explicit about it.

    I’m not saying poor people are dumb, but that poor dumb people are easier to manipulate, and making soldiers out of people requires manipulating people to act as something other than human and refuse to empathise with defined “others”, so the system will want to select them.

    Not to mention that the wealthy are seen in a religiously capitalist system as inherently more “worthy” than the poor, because otherwise god wouldn’t have let them have money, right? So risking the lives of wealthy kids is a “waste” more than those whose economic background is seen as worthless.

  32. #32 Li D
    June 11, 2016

    ” Trump ”
    No argument there.
    The bloke is a moron, despite his no
    doubt flash schooling.
    It would actually make a good study for
    someone to understand how the educational system
    failed Trump.
    A sort of audit to improve the system.

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