January 2107 Open thread

Happy new year!

Comments

  1. #1 Stu 2
    January 10, 2017

    No.
    This time It’s just way too tempting.
    Jeff & WoW.
    You spend inordinate amounts of space here arguing that I have no idea & guessing (incorrectly) what you think I do as further proof of Stu 2 ‘s amazing stupidity and ignorance.
    I could almost be flattered that you somehow think I’m important enough to discuss with your ‘high level’ colleagues and friends.
    🙂
    Of course, I’m not.
    I’m, as always, spectacularly uninterested in ad homs and revisionist, reconstructed, irrlevant discussions.

  2. #2 Wow
    January 10, 2017

    “But you were not, you were citing the NYT ”

    To the local bottle washer, they ARE “scientists”, lionel.

    Hey, bottle washer, you can work out the sea level rise by simple maths. Volume of land ice divided by sea area gives depth.

    Well over 10m.

    Maths, though, may not be your thing. Ask someone who got through school.

  3. #3 Wow
    January 10, 2017

    StuPid, YOU spend inordinate amounts of space here arguing and making shit up.

    Not one coastal village is saved. Find something that HELPS those people, StuPid. It’s been your “number 1 concern” for weeks now, ever since the reindeer were thrown under the bus by you…

  4. #4 Betula
    January 10, 2017

    Lionel – “you were citing the NYT which may not have been putting the statements of scientist correctly in context or in entirety”

    Well, it is a far left leaning paper so you may be right…..the word “definitely” was probably incorrect. No true scientist would say that…

    I’m sure you must feel it would be the equivalent of posting something from Thinkprogress. rather than a peer reviewed paper….as if someone would do that. Right?

  5. #5 Betula
    January 10, 2017

    Wow – “Not one coastal village is saved. Find something that HELPS those people”

    Wow is right Stu, unplug your toaster and then send some money to someone in an undeveloped nation so they can have a toaster.
    Think long term man! Think globally! But for God’s sake… think!

  6. #6 Stu 2
    January 10, 2017

    WoW.
    Have you found your source for that AUS 10M SLR?
    The ‘lurkers’, especially the Australian ones would probably like to know.

  7. #7 Stu 2
    January 10, 2017

    Betula.
    As far as assisting coastal communities who are vulnerable to any impacts from SLR goes, I have already commented.
    WoW, in that particular exchange talks about a 10M SLR for Australia.
    If that’s actually the case, I don’t think unplugging my toaster will do much.
    My advice would most certainly be to start relocating to higher ground if that 10M is correct.
    We have some room out here where I live.
    But I can’t find any expert reports or studies or papers that predict anything like that.
    🙂

  8. #8 Betula
    January 10, 2017

    Stu – “But I can’t find any expert reports or studies or papers that predict anything like that”

    Did you try Thinkprogress? Wow probably got it there…

  9. #9 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    https://thinkprogress.org/
    I have now.
    I can’t find it their either.
    I don’t think I’d find anything much at all about SLR in Australia there Betula.

  10. #10 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    And I know. Wrong their there they’re 🙂
    First one should be there.

  11. #11 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Stu – Hard to believe Wow didn’t get it there, that’s the learning center for progressives with special needs…

  12. #12 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    SuPid, you clearly aren’t doing anything yourself about either the large ungulates or the endangered communities suffering from coastal erosion. Neither are made happen by you posting to this blog. It seems you only want ideas. But you’ve never given up one yourself.

    So, what is your idea on how to go about stopping AGW?

  13. #13 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “As far as assisting coastal communities who are vulnerable to any impacts from SLR goes, I have already commented”

    So you said that they’re fine when all the land ice is melted?

  14. #14 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Stu – Try the Huffington Post, maybe that’s where Wow got it…

  15. #15 Wow
    January 11, 2017
  16. #16 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Come on, StuPid. What will you do to stop AGW?

    Batshit betty here plainly doesn’t want to do it, so how about you?

  17. #17 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – So, what is your idea on how to go about stopping AGW?

    I’ve got this one. As I said before, unplug your toaster so people in undeveloped nations can use theirs…
    The idea here is equality and fairness….if you have used a toaster for so many years, now let someone else have a chance to use one. After all, we are evil greedy toaster users that hate polar bears..

    So in summary, emit less C02 so that others may emit more.

    “This principle was accepted by the climate convention, which agreed that the rich world had to reduce its emissions to make space for the poor to grow.”

    http://www.globalissues.org/article/231/climate-justice-and-equity#Itisunfairtoexpectthethirdworldtomakeemissionsreductionstothesamelevelasrichnations

    Well, there you go.

  18. #18 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow’s link at !5 –
    “If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet)”

    However, what his link fails to say is:

    “they calculate that if temperature rise is limited to just 2°C above pre-industrial climate, it will take 50,000 years to melt the entire ice sheet. On the other hand, if global temperature rises by 8°C compared to pre-industrial climate, under a scenario where greenhouse gas emissions just keep going up, the paper suggests it would take significantly less time – around 2000 years – for the ice sheet to fully melt”

    https://www.carbonbrief.org/scientists-identify-melting-threshold-for-greenland-ice-sheet

    Meanwhile, from Wow’s link at 15….

    “Most of Antarctica has yet to see dramatic warming. However, the Antarctic Peninsula, which juts out into warmer waters north of Antarctica, has warmed 2.5 degrees Celsius (4.5 degrees Fahrenheit) since 1950. A large area of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet is also losing mass, probably because of warmer water deep in the ocean near the Antarctic coast. In East Antarctica, no clear trend has emerged, although some stations appear to be cooling slightly. Overall, scientists believe that Antarctica is starting to lose ice, but so far the process has not become as quick or as widespread as in Greenland.”

    But don’t worry, development of the undeveloped nations will solve everything…

  19. #19 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Come on, StuPid.

    Betty’s totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass. What do YOU say we should do to stop AGW?

  20. #20 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Again, Wow and his reading skills problem…. I say toast and he sees “toasted”.

    It’s a miracle he can make it through the day…

  21. #21 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    unplug your toaster

    they can have a toaster.

    unplug your toaster

    .if you have used a toaster

    toaster users

    I say toast and he sees “toasted”

    LOL!

    So, StuPid, what do YOU say we should to do stop AGW?

  22. #22 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow, for the record, I do take note of your tactic of avoiding Stu’s question and hoping it will go away by asking a different question…

    Also note that I answered your question and I know you choose to ignore it in order to keep your distraction in place…

    It must be drive you “crazy” that I constantly prove you wrong while also pointing out your obvious attempts at cover….

    How embarrassing for you.

  23. #23 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “it must be drive you crazy”…

    LOL!

    “I answered your question”

    StuPid pointed out the problem there: “I don’t think unplugging my toaster will do much.”

    But I asked StuPid.

    You’ve never pretended to be anything oher than a denier troll. StuPid has pretended to be concentrating only on doing something constructive, but has not managed to come up with anything constructive himself on how to stop AGW.

    So I still await StuPid’s answer to the question: what would he suggest be done to stop AGW?

  24. #24 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    How about a toast?

    Here’s to ending the predicted future catastrophic climate scenarios resulting from predicted climate sensitivity derived from imperfect climate models by developing the undeveloped nations, paid for by the rich developed nations, in order that the rich will use less so that the poor can use more!

    Now let’s get toasted!

  25. #25 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    We already know ECS is well above 2.2C/doubling CO2.

    By measurement, not model.

    But, again, I ask StuPid: What do you suggest is done to stop AGW?

  26. #26 Jeff Harvey
    January 11, 2017

    “How about a toast? Here’s to ending the predicted future catastrophic climate scenarios resulting from predicted climate sensitivity derived from imperfect climate models by developing the undeveloped nations, paid for by the rich developed nations, in order that the rich will use less so that the poor can use more! Now let’s get toasted!”

    Total and utter bullshit from a moron who believes in UN orchestrasted left wing conspiracies that will take away his tree pruining business.This sort of garbage would be laughed out of any academic body. It is warmign as predicted. The warming is occurrign at rates exceeding past rates by many factors. Humans are the primary culprit. Continued warming risks undermining both the natural and material economies. The consensus position. The main recommendation os to take precautionary measures.

    Betula is a nutcase who belongs in a padded cell with other right wing idiots peddling the same political nonsense.

  27. #27 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Looking to see what Batshit betty was talking about with me not having answered StuPid’s question (note: I have),and I saw this from the moron:

    “Lionel @ # 56
    Along with everyone else here, you have posted links that don’t work.”

    They all work for me. My links work too. As does batshit’s and yours.

    Your computer is fucked, StuPid, get it fixed.

    Or you could be lying.

    But, hey, whatevs. What should be done, do you think, to stop AGW?

  28. #28 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “Total and utter bullshit from a moron who believes in UN orchestrasted left wing conspiracies that will take away his tree pruining business.”

    You missed that he thinks that this is all to make the undeveloped nations take our standard of living. Which wouldn’t stop AGW either, being that it makes the same problem happen, just with different people doing it.

    Didn’t he blub about how getting off fossil fuels would hurt those poor people in the third world earlier?

    Patently one or the other was a lie.

    Still waiting for StuPid to give what he suggests we should do to stop AGW. Nothing so far, and he’d put SO MUCH effort into worrying about doing “something”, and not “arguing”.

  29. #29 Jeff Harvey
    January 11, 2017

    Stu2,

    You are the revisionist. You just don’t see it. You think that global environmnental problems that are destroying terrestial and marine ecosystems and undermining their functioning can be dealt with locally.

    They can’t. As I said yesterday, every major natural ecosystem on Earth is in decline. The planet is losing thousands of genetically distinct populations every year.The reslience and resistance of vital ecosystems and their services is being eroded. The data are there is stacks in scientific journals. Laymen like Betula stick their finger to the wind, see a wild turkey and think everything is going well. The level of their scientific knowledge is pathetically embarrasing. I have cringed so much from some of the shit that they have written up here that I am developing a stoop. No wonder more scientists do not venture out into the public arena, They are greeted with retards like Betula and Kim who don’t understand basic science and who conflate solutions with communism. You guys can stick together. If Betula, Kim and olaus are typical examples of ‘Joe Public’ then we are well and truly fucked.

  30. #30 Jeff Harvey
    January 11, 2017

    “You missed that he thinks that this is all to make the undeveloped nations take our standard of living”

    I know that Wow. It would be hilarious if it weren’t so pathetically sad. No evidence ever provided, just innuendo and some pre-determined political views that see any form of government intervention in the economy as bad, and as some form of communism aimed at stealing from the rich to give to the poor. Strange view, considering that the US has long been plundering capital from nations in the south. Tons of evidence for that too, but Betula does not want to read it.

    He can jump in the lake for all I care. Its just sad that society is filled with morons who believe the same kind of shit that he does.

  31. #31 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow is clearly avoiding Stu’s question and wants it to go away. His only option is to distract from it by asking an unrelated question while pretending the question posed to him never existed.
    He’s like a child with his hands over his eyes believing we don’t see him…

    We see you Wow….look, here you are:

    Stu to Wow @83 pg 1 – “Where did you get your 10m figure from?”

    Stu to Wow @100 pg 1 – “And I would still like to know where WoW got that 10m SLR figure from?”

    Stu to Wow @4 pg2 – “I’m still wondering where you sourced that 10M figure for Australia’s SLR that would require a 10M + wall all around Australia?”

    Stu to Wow @ 8 pg2 – “And can you please let me know where you sourced that 10m of SLR for Australia from?”

    Stu to Wow @27 pg2 – “Could you please let me know where you sourced your 10M of SLR for Australia?”

    Stu @51 pg2 – “Can you let me, plus all the lurkers that you and Jeff are so concerned about, where you sourced that 10M of SLR for Australia from?”

    Stu to Wow @90 pg2 – “Can you please let us all know where you sourced the 10M of SLR for Australia?”

    Stu to Wow @96 pg2 – “Can you please let us all know the source of that 10M SLR?”

    Stu to Wow @6 pg3 – “Have you found your source for that AUS 10M SLR?”

    Me @8 pg3 – “Did you try Thinkprogress? Wow probably got it there”

    Me @14 pg3 – “Stu – Try the Huffington Post, maybe that’s where Wow got it”

    Wow to Stu @14 pg 3 – “So, what is your idea on how to go about stopping AGW?”

    Wow to Stu @16 pg3 – Come on, StuPid. What will you do to stop AGW?

    Wow to Stu @19 pg3 – “What do YOU say we should do to stop AGW?”

    Wow to Stu @21 pg 3 – “So, StuPid, what do YOU say we should to do stop AGW?”

    Wow to Stu @23 pg3 – “So I still await StuPid’s answer to the question: what would he suggest be done to stop AGW?”

    Wow to Stu @25 pg3 – “But, again, I ask StuPid: What do you suggest is done to stop AGW?”

    Poor Wow, exposed again and again….you do make it easy.

  32. #32 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “You think that global environmnental problems that are destroying terrestial and marine ecosystems and undermining their functioning can be dealt with locally.”

    We don’t even have that he thinks there IS a global problem yet. He doesn’t answer what he thinks could be done to stop AGW (the global environmental problem).

    Unless he knows what the global problem is and stops it, he’ll never run out of local problems to “fix”.

  33. #33 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Stu to Wow @83 pg 1 – “Where did you get your 10m figure from?”

    Answered in #15. Done.

    So, again, to StuPid, what do you say could be done to stop AGW?

  34. #34 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Which wouldn’t stop AGW either, being that it makes the same problem happen, just with different people doing it”

    Thus the dilemma and the hypocrisy….boy you are a quick learner.

  35. #35 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Didn’t he blub about how getting off fossil fuels would hurt those poor people in the third world earlier?”

    Nope. Make up something else…

  36. #36 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    So, you agree, making the third world produce as much CO2 as us won’t stop AGW, therefore your “suggestion” won’t stop AGW. I’m learning that you know your suggestion is unworkable. Well done for letting us know.

    Now, lets wait until StuPid comes back and lets us know what HE considers doable to end AGW.

  37. #37 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    @35: “Nope”.

    Well, all you deniers sound alike. At least we can scrub that fakery off the list of what you will say to deflect.

  38. #38 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Still waiting for StuPid to give what he suggests we should do to stop AGW. Nothing so far”

    Does this sound familiar…

    “Where did you get your 10m figure from?”

    Don’t worry, I didn’t notice.

  39. #39 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    So you’ll be complaining that StuPid is avoiding answering, yes? Something like

    <Poor Stu2, exposed again and again….you do make it easy.“.

    And even after answering the question, yes?

    But, hey, StuPid, what do you say about stopping AGW? Batshit is gonna go all Batman on your ass for avoiding answering.

  40. #40 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Hardley – “No evidence ever provided”

    Hardley – “the US has long been plundering capital from nations in the south. Tons of evidence for that too, but Betula does not want to read it.”

    By “too”…obviously you are implying there is evidence for it.

    Thanks.

  41. #41 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Answered in #15. Done”

    Wow’s totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass…

  42. #42 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Answered in #15. Done”

    Correct.

    So, StuPid, what do you consider to be done to stop AGW?

  43. #43 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “So, you agree, making the third world produce as much CO2 as us won’t stop AGW, therefore your “suggestion” won’t stop AGW”

    I never said “making the third world produce as much CO2 as us”….but since the plan (not my suggestion) is to reduce the amount the developed nations emit while increasing the amount undeveloped nations emit….what affect will this have on net C02 over what period of time?

    Do you know?

  44. #44 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Answered in #15. Done”

    Wow’s totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass…

  45. #45 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “I never said “making the third world produce as much CO2 as us””

    Ah, so you don’t know what words mean.

    Remember that, everyone, no matter what Batshit Betty says, it doesn’t mean anything. Letting the third world do what we’re doing that’s producing need for fossil fuels and not doing it ourself so we don’t produce it is NOT saying that the making third world produce as much CO2 as us.

    So, now we have batshit admitting they’re saying nothing, back to the main topic.

    StuPid, what do you consider we can do to stop AGW?

  46. #46 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Ah, betty, but you never said I hadn’t answered it in post 15.

    So “Answered in #15. Done”: Correct.

    Now, StuPid, back to my question. What to do to stop AGW?

  47. #47 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “So “Answered in #15.”

    “Wow’s totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass…”

    Sound familiar?

  48. #48 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Ah, so you don’t know what words mean”

    I know by the words you just stated that you don’t know how to read or comprehend.

    Reducing CO2 emissions in developed nations while increasing CO2 emission in developed nations doesn’t imply that the undeveloped nations will emit as much as developed nations and it also doesn’t imply that they will emit less.

    It states that undeveloped nations will use more than they are using now because of development…

    You know, social justice, equality, fairness….

    How much more CO2 will they emit in comparison to how much less developed nations emit is a question.

    Supposedly it will reduce overall CO2 emissions and solve AGW…..that is the plan.

    Do you know the answer?

  49. #49 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “back to the main topic”

    Right.

    “Where did you get your 10m figure from?”

  50. #50 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Social justice, fairness and equality will save the caribou…

    http://phys.org/news/2011-04-nation-reduction-co2-outpaced-country.html

  51. #51 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “Reducing CO2 emissions in developed nations while increasing CO2 emission in developed nations doesn’t imply that the undeveloped nations will emit as much as developed nations and it also doesn’t imply that they will emit less.”

    OK, so you’re saying that your idea could work if it was more than just one toaster changing hands.

    StuPid, what do you consider we can do to stop AGW?

  52. #52 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Just exactly how fast is sea level “predicted” to rise over what period of time?

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/parched-earth-soaks-water-slowing-sea-level-rise-231245199.html?ref=gs

  53. #53 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Well, just have to wait to see if StuPid can read #15, eh?

    Meanwhile…

    StuPid, what do you say we could do to stop AGW?

  54. #54 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    So does that link say seas are limited to a rise of less than 10m?

    No?

    Then it’s irrelevant, innit.

    So, back to the main attraction: StuPid, what ideas do you have for stopping AGW?

  55. #55 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “I could almost be flattered that you somehow think I’m important enough”

    No, funny enough.

    Important? No. A blowhard whose idiocies are so obvious to everyone BUT THE IDIOT HIMSEF that they’re hilarious?

    Hell yes.

    If you posted more often, we could get a decent drinking game out of you! With a built-in measure of when to stop the game: when you start making sense, get to the hospital for a stomach pump.

    I’m glad that you’re able to find some reason to think you’re important while you’re holding a bog brush, even if it has to be with people you have spent months proclaiming how evil and bad we are.

    But, hey, someone may need a laugh, so go on, tell us what you would consider something to do to stop AGW.

  56. #56 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow is too dumb to realize that:

    1. He did not answer Stu’s question.

    2. Stu doesn’t hover over his computer like Wow does…

    Wow keeps honking his horn at the empty parked car in front of him waiting for it to move. Meanwhile, he’s wasting gas and contributing to AGW and the death of polar bears and caribou…

  57. #57 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    1) I did answer StuPid’s question. Post 15. You’re too stupid to read.

    2) Stu hovered over it last page.

    So, StuPid, what’s your suggestion to stop AGW?

  58. #58 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Just exactly how fast is sea level “predicted” to rise over what period of time?

    Wow’s non answer is his answer – he doesn’t know.

    So Instead, he puts on a show and pulls 10m out of his ass…

    At least now we know where he got it.

  59. #59 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “If you posted more often, we could get a decent drinking game out of you!”

    Hey, Wow really is a lush…”totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass…”

  60. #60 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “tell us what you would consider something to do to stop AGW”

    Besides unplugging your toaster and sending money to the poor undeveloped nations, perhaps you could go around the parked car in front of you or shut your car off until someone comes to move their car…

  61. #61 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    My nonanswer is because that was a nonquestion.

    StuPid’s nonanswer to my question is something you seem to be ignoring, along with StuPid.

    StuPid, what do you suggest we do to stop AGW?

  62. #62 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Stu to Wow @83 pg 1 – “Where did you get your 10m figure from?”

    Answered in #15. Done. Answered that question. Waiting for StuPid.

    So, again, to StuPid, what do you say could be done to stop AGW?

  63. #63 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Answered in #15”

    Wow’s “totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass…” Again.

    Keep honking at parked cars Wow, but shut off the engine and take the keys out. Besides saving a polar bear, as shit faced as you are you want to avoid a DUI…

  64. #64 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    See #21.

    But, hey, StuPid, don’t listen to this maggot, answer the question or Batshit here will assume you are pulling ideas from your ass.

  65. #65 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Look Wow, the car in front of you is moving! Your honking worked!

    Oh wait, that’s just you rolling backwards…

  66. #66 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “Wow – “Answered in #15””

    Yup.

    “totally shitfaced here and talking out of his ass…”

    Yup, you are.

    “Keep honking at parked cars Wow,”

    For proof of shitfacedness, see above.

    But, hey, StuPid, Batshit betty is getting REALLY pissed off you’re not giving an answer to the question still pending, hen ce the spamposting and shitfaced commentary from the lunatic.

    What do you suggest we do to stop AGW?

  67. #67 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    Good morning from Australia WoW.
    The continent that had already completed its winter season July -Aug 2016 and is now in the middle of its 2016/17 Summer season.
    Your link @#15 is interesting, but it makes no reference to a 10M rise in SLR for Australia that would require a 10M + wall to be built around Australia.
    It seems to me that you are actually claiming that, despite expert opinions to the contrary, you’ve decided on the 10M yourself by using your own school grade maths formula?
    Expert opinion, including in papers taken up by the IPCC, does not appear to agree with your personal methodology?
    As to your question.
    The A in AGW stands for Anthropogenic. That’s humans.
    I work with other anthropods to help develop better land and water management practices as that is one area that us humans need to improve and where we can make a difference.
    As far as humans managing coastal erosion goes, I did link some info for you a while back.
    I have learned that we are much more successful if we leave ‘the politics’ out of it and actually focus on the actual tasks at hand.
    As soon as ‘the politics’ get involved it suddenly becomes about who gets to spend tax payer money rather than anything else.
    I hope that helps?

  68. #68 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Phew! Batshit was going apeshit and trying to answer your question for you, but don’t worry, I didn’t let them put words in your mouth.

    ” but it makes no reference to a 10M rise in SLR for Australia”

    Uh, which planet do you think you’re on?

    Ice sheets contain enormous quantities of frozen water. If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet). If the Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 60 meters (200 feet).

    Australia is on the same planet as Greenland and Antartica!

    “The A in AGW stands for Anthropogenic. That’s humans.”

    Yes. And the W stands for Warming. That’s getting warmer, an increase in temperature.

    The G stands for Global. It means the entire planet earth as a single whole object.

    “I hope that helps?”

    Well, no.

    You haven’t answered how you’ll stop AGW.

    Care to try to answer the question rather than just define what one word in an acronym is?

    PS you DO know what an acronym is? Though technically it should be called an initialism, not being pronounced as a word.

    So, please try again.

    What do you suggest we do to stop AGW?

  69. #69 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Come on, StuPid. Don’t you know what causing AGW? Go here and read up:

    http://ipcc.ch

    Just read the Summary for Policy Makers to begin with. Then come back with what you think can be done to stop AGW.

  70. #70 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “I work with other anthropods”

    Anthropods?!?!?

    Arthropods is a word that exists.

    An arthropod is an invertebrate animal having an exoskeleton, a segmented body, and jointed appendages. Arthropods form the phylum Arthropoda, which includes the insects, arachnids, myriapods, and crustaceans.

    But, hey, once you’ve found out what are the causes of AGW, come back with what you think we can do to stop AGW.

  71. #71 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    Wow.
    That’s an ifso butso speculation not a prediction.
    It also points out in the same article that it’s not all going to melt.
    The ‘experts’ are predicting mm for Australia not M.
    Part of the reason of couse being that it’s not just about a simple school grade maths formula.
    It’s rather amusing that you and Jeff keep accusing others of ‘downplaying’ AGW yet you have just given a great example of ‘uplaying’ it.
    Neither of those approaches are assisting.
    My answer to your question has actually always been the same.
    We need to focus on what we know does work and build on those principles and have the courage to recognise what doesn’t work and stop doing those things.
    Your wish for the creation of some type of benevolent global bureaucratic dictatorship that will have the global power to tackle a global climate is not working.
    Focusing on specific issues and creating specific practical management solutions does work.
    Most of the mistakes were made one step at a time. IMHO it’s totally unrealistic to expect the solution is a magic global silver bullet.

  72. #72 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “That’s an ifso butso speculation not a prediction.”

    No, it’s a fact. Ice melts, remember. And there’s enough in those two places to go well past 10m. You asked where I got my 10m from, it was well within what we’ll have with AGW, even if we stop it later. If you think it impossible for the ice to melt, please give me the evidence for this prohibition.

  73. #73 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “My answer to your question has actually always been the same.”

    Which one? Because

    “We need to focus on what we know does work and build on those principles and have the courage to recognise what doesn’t work and stop doing those things.”

    Doesn’t stop AGW.

    What do you think we should do to stop AGW?

  74. #74 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “Your wish for the creation of some type of benevolent global bureaucratic dictatorship that will have the global power to tackle a global climate is not working.”

    Where did you get this wish from?

  75. #75 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    Do you even know what is causing AGW, StuPid, or are you living up to your moniker?

  76. #76 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    & please forgive me for stating what us Aussies and the Poms often call ‘the bleeding obvious’.
    If the acronym (or if you like, initialization) stands for Anthropogenic Global Warming, then the GW bit in that particular acronym is referring to the bit that is caused by the A in that particular acronym. Duh!!!!
    It’s not that complicated.

  77. #77 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “It’s not that complicated.”

    Apparently it is for you, since you felt the need to say so, therefore it must have been VERY hard for you to understand.

    Either that or you don’t know what the GW means.

  78. #78 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    So, now you’ve been informed of what AGW means, how do you propose we stop it?

  79. #79 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    WoW.
    I guess to stop that A bit, the best way is to take out the A?
    Every misanthrope on the planet would agree with that.
    🙂

  80. #80 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “I guess to stop that A bit, the best way is to take out the A?”

    Is that your proposal, StuPid?

  81. #81 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Wow – “Phew! Batshit was going apeshit and trying to answer your question for you”

    Wow – “StuPid’s nonanswer to my question is something you seem to be ignoring”

    So you claim i’m going apeshit over trying to answering it, and also claim i’m ignoring his not answering it, all while I was making the point that he wasn’t here to answer it…

    Another Deltoid classic.

    Yours is a lonely world Wow…

  82. #82 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    Besides there being no mention of 10M in Wow’s link, which is proof of a lie, let’s take a closer look at just how retarded Wow is…

    From my previos link –
    “they calculate that if temperature rise is limited to just 2°C above pre-industrial climate, it will take 50,000 years to melt the entire ice sheet”….”On the other hand, if global temperature rises by 8°C compared to pre-industrial climate, under a scenario where greenhouse gas emissions just keep going up, the paper suggests it would take significantly less time – around 2000 years – for the ice sheet to fully melt”

    From Wow’s link –
    “If the Greenland Ice Sheet melted, scientists estimate that sea level would rise about 6 meters (20 feet)”

    So “if” x, then in 2000 – 50,000 years, Wow’s estimate is still 4 meters short.

    Now lets include Antarctica:

    From Wow’s link – “If the Antarctic Ice Sheet melted, sea level would rise by about 60 meters (200 feet)”

    From my previos link –
    “Most of Antarctica has yet to see dramatic warming”…..In East Antarctica, no clear trend has emerged, although some stations appear to be cooling slightly. Overall, scientists believe that Antarctica is starting to lose ice, but so far the process has not become as quick or as widespread as in Greenland.”.

    So, besides making up 10M out of whole cloth (if his link were his source he would have used their numbers)…..it looks like “if” a lot of “ifs” happen, we have to wait anywhere from 2000 – 50,000 years to see if his made up number is even close…

    So Wow, how soon do you think that made up “10M” wall should be built? Are we running out of time?

    Once again, Poor Wow…

  83. #83 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    So lying Wow, since 10M isn’t in your link, where did you get the 10M number from?

  84. #84 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    OK, a 66m wall, then, Batshit.

    A 66M wall will be needed, plus the extra to stop overtopping in a storm surge.

    I’m sorry to have made the cost and difficulty of building a wall around the entirety of Australia easier than it would have to be.

    In future I shall ensure I don’t give you or StuPid an easier time.

  85. #85 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    So, StuPid, will you be buiding an 80-100m high wall around the entirety of Australia to help these coastal communities from SLR?

  86. #86 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    (that question above was one pending, you have already tried to answer that by asking where 10m came from H/T to batshit betty in making sure we use a more reasonable 80m or so)

    And we STILL have the question what do you propose we do to stop AGW?

  87. #87 Stu 2
    January 11, 2017

    No WoW.
    I have already offered a solution based approach.
    If you only want to focus on human CO2 emmissions and nothing else, then ironically the best way to stop that is to take out the humans.
    Of course that’s silly and facetious.
    It was momentarily too tempting for me to play your game.
    The best way of course is to move towards better ways to manage human CO2 emmissions .
    We need to help humanity to work towards nuetralusing carbon footprints.
    Here, we’re probably neutral. My wife and I have personally planted over 200,000 native trees in our lifetime.
    That’s one way some of us can make a difference.
    Another way is to help people to move towards sustainable land and water management practices based on sensible, practical scientific information.
    Another way is to help upgrade the way we use fossil fuels so that the CO2 emmissions are reduced also based on sensible, practical scientific information.
    Another is to improve the stability and affordability of renewable energy sources, particularly hydro as it is the one that provides the most so far.
    I’m not sure about nuclear, but countries that have significantly reduced their CO2 emmissions like France, is due to their development of nuclear energy.
    Of course those are just a few.
    I don’t think spending more and more and ever more public funding proving the A in AGW is what’s causing AGW when it is indeed bleeding obvious is helping to stop it.
    Hope that helps?

  88. #88 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “I have already offered a solution based approach.”

    Kill all humans??

    “If you only want to focus on human CO2 emmissions and nothing else,”

    What else would there be for AGW? Methane and so forth? Yup, are you going to include them in your new suggestion?

    “ironically the best way to stop that is to take out the humans.”

    So this is your proposal? Die? Get on with it, then, we don’t have all day.

    “My wife and I have personally planted over 200,000 native trees in our lifetime.”

    They only take out a couple of tons then are no longer offsetting your CO2 footprint. 18 tons a year for a household in Australia. More on average, but maybe you don’t have kids. Or a wife…

    Of course, we only have your word for it,and as soon as those trees are cut down (what are they for, by the way? Are they permanent new forest?), but lets PRESUME.

    3-5tons is “taken out” by a really big permanent tree. We produce something over 30 billion tons each year, so we need 10 billion trees each year.

    At about 600 trees per acre, that means 50 million acres per year. Plus what we’re losing, another 30 million acres per year.

    80 million acres each year.

    “The best way of course is to move towards better ways to manage human CO2 emmissions .”

    Uh, planting trees doesn’t manage human CO2 emissions. Did I just do all that calculation for nothing?

    “Another way is to help people to move towards sustainable land and water management practices based on sensible, practical scientific information.”

    And how does that stop AGW?

    “Another is to improve the stability and affordability of renewable energy sources, particularly hydro as it is the one that provides the most so far.”

    Well, there’s a shitload of solar and wind, but ask batshit here if they’re up for it.

    Problem with that, though, is we don’t have the room to do that AND plant trees.

    Shall we forget the “plant trees” idea as your solution? You clearly haven’t done anything about checking whether it’s even as feasible as building a great wall around Australia.

    “I’m not sure about nuclear, but countries that have significantly reduced their CO2 emmissions like France, is due to their development of nuclear energy.”

    Well, problem is, nobody wants to build them without huge government money AND a guaranteed increased (and this is starting from above the average price of electricity) price for their production.

    And there aren’t many places you can build one that gets enough water to cool down AND isn’t in danger of being flooded.

    So, really, nukes aren’t going to work any better than planting trees. 20 years ago? Maybe, but deniers were insisting that there was no need to do anything since there was no such thing as AGW.

    “I don’t think spending more and more and ever more public funding proving the A in AGW is what’s causing AGW when it is indeed bleeding obvious is helping to stop it.”

    Ask Batshit Betty, Lappers, or Kim, if they accept what’s causing AGW is humans and we should start with decarbonising our energy production.

    Hell, see if you can get them to agree with you AGW is even happening.

    Good luck with that!

  89. #89 Betula
    January 11, 2017

    “OK, a 66m wall, then, Batshit”

    So you lied about the source for the 10m (because there wasn’t one) and then found out your lie was wrong…

    So, given there are a lot of “if’s” that need to occer, how soon within the next 2000 – 50,000 years do you think the wall should be built before we need to worry about your made up number?

  90. #90 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    ““OK, a 66m wall, then, Batshit”

    So you lied about the source ”

    Nope.

    I admit I should have made it many times higher, than you for not letting StuPid get away with a substandard wall.

  91. #91 Wow
    January 11, 2017

    “So, given there are a lot of “if’s” that need to occer”

    There’s nothing in any of those ifs that mean ice doesn’t melt, batshit.

    So, what do you say to StuPid for his idea we decarbonise our infrastructure into renewable energy generation?

    Do you even agree there IS AGW?

  92. #92 Stu 2
    January 12, 2017

    WoW
    No room to do anything?
    Which ‘expert’ says that?
    Did Betula or I say that ice doesn’t melt?
    I can’t find where anyone has said it doesn’t melt.
    I didn’t discount solar or wind, we actually use both here.
    I was pointing out that Hydro is so far the most successful as far as affordability and stability goes.
    No matter what we do, it will have a price tag.
    But it’s still a better approach to focus on smart solutions rather than just continually rabbiting on about the A in AGW is it not?

  93. #93 Wow
    January 12, 2017

    “No room to do anything?
    Which ‘expert’ says that?”

    Where did anyone say “No room to do anything”? The only three places that is written is in your post and here. Which *non-expert* says it? YOU?

    “Did Betula or I say that ice doesn’t melt?”

    If that is to be taken as the case, then your demands to know where the 10m came from is an admission you don’t know how much ice is on land, and batshit’s demands to know when are totally irrelevant.

    “I was pointing out that Hydro is so far the most successful as far as affordability and stability goes.”

    Why? Did I appear to think it wasn’t cheap or successful?

    “No matter what we do, it will have a price tag.”

    And did I say it was free?

    “But it’s still a better approach to focus on smart solutions rather than just continually rabbiting on about the A in AGW is it not?”

    It is.

    Tell batshit betty and the rest of the deniers you hang round with that. They still refuse to believe there’s anything called AGW and we don’t have to do anything about it.

  94. #94 Wow
    January 12, 2017

    Until deniers stop denying there’s AGW and we need to do something, proving the A in AGW will remain necessary, because deniers are insisting it is proved before they’ll let ANYTHING get spent.

    Try it on Betty for a demonstration.

  95. #95 Betula
    January 12, 2017

    Wow – “Uh, planting trees doesn’t manage human CO2 emissions”

    Yet, the IPCC says they should be planted.

    “This IPCC report makes clear that avoiding dangerous climate change by limiting global temperature increase to 2°C (3.8 °F), as agreed by nations in Copenhagen in 2009, will depend critically on taking carbon dioxide out of the air.  There are two ways to do this. One way is to strip carbon dioxide out of emissions from power plants before it enters the atmosphere, and store it underground.  This technology is called Carbon Capture and Storage (CCS) and is still in early development stages.  Another way to take carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere is by planting trees”

    http://www.cgdev.org/blog/halting-and-reversing-deforestation-critical-climate-target

    Wow, are you ever right about anything?

  96. #96 Betula
    January 12, 2017

    Wow – “Do you even agree there IS AGW?”

    You’ve been calling me a “denier” for years so why second guess yourself now? Stick with your imagination, it’s all you have left…..

  97. #97 Wow
    January 12, 2017

    “Wow – “Uh, planting trees doesn’t manage human CO2 emissions”

    Yet, the IPCC says they should be planted.”

    Yes. Was that supposed to be some sort of gotcha for me?

    Waddaya think of StuPid’s idea, then?

  98. #98 Wow
    January 12, 2017

    “Wow – “Do you even agree there IS AGW?””

    I’m not hearing a “Yes” yet!

    Is oo too shy?

  99. #99 Betula
    January 12, 2017

    “Waddaya think of StuPid’s idea, then?”

    Better than anything your retarded imagination has you believing you’ve done…

  100. #100 Betula
    January 12, 2017

    “I’m not hearing a “Yes” yet!”

    You know you are incapable of hearing “yes”. so you never will, no matter what I say….Yes?.

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