Dispatches from the Creation Wars

From Scott Jonas at a website called jesus-is-savior.com comes this little ditty:

“For those of us who believe we should train our daughters according to Titus 2, 1 Peter 3, and other Biblical passages, my answer is “Yes, it is not good.” I propose that sports greatly hinders the development of godly, Biblical, feminine character. Parents today expend extraordinary amounts of time and energy taking their daughters from one sports event to another, week after week, even to the point where it exhausts the family and family resources. The fruits we see are that today’s Christian women are often ill- prepared to be Biblically obedient wives and mothers. This brings to mind a couple of questions: “Why do we spend so much time preparing our daughters to play sports?” and “What does it prepare them for in the future?” My answer is that sports prepare women to be more like men. Instead of spending all that time preparing our daughters as the Bible directs, we are training them to be like men so they can better compete with men in traditionally masculine roles – i.e., compete with them in the workforce, in politics, in the military, and in sports.”…

Given that sports may very well foster pagan and humanistic attitudes, I urge parents to think deeply about this issue and about whether or not any members of their families should participate in organized sports programs. As a minimum, I hope you will agree with me that we should keep our daughters away from competitive sports and spend our time training them how to be Biblically feminine women, wives and mothers.

This guy should be locked in a room with Serena Williams, Mia Hamm and Rebecca Lobo. What a ridiculous cretin he is.

Hat tip to Andrew Sullivan.

Comments

  1. #1 Ben
    February 23, 2005

    Let’s not forget Jennifer Capriati

  2. #2 carpundit
    February 23, 2005

    Sports foster “humanistic attitudes”? I’m not sure what he means, but it sure sounds bad.

    I’m embarrassed to belong to the same species as that guy.

  3. #3 Lynn
    February 23, 2005

    Damn Ed, you mean now I have to stop boxing and mud wrestling?

    This idiot should get some sort of award for keeping we ladies groomed to be subservant wives.

    My Dad will probably go to hell for allowing me to be a tomboy. LOL

  4. #4 Dan
    February 23, 2005

    Lynn: I think you’re OK. Jonas goes on to say:

    Actually, I don’t have a problem with women playing recreational sports on an occasional basis, just with them playing competitive sports on a regular day-to-day basis.

    So as long as you’re just mud-wrestling recreationally, I think you’re safe. Now, if you were to give up medicine to mud wrestle professionally, that would no doubt be un-biblical.

    Time for a new award category, Ed: Backwards Ass Cretin of the Month.

  5. #5 OGeorge
    February 23, 2005

    Why doesn’t it work for women as well as men? I mean look at all the guys pointing to heaven after scoring a touchdown. I’ve NEVER heard one guy say that “Jesus made me fumble”, or seen anyone point to the sky after he threw an interception. After you pin your opponent Lynn, just give thanks!

  6. #6 Ed Brayton
    February 23, 2005

    Damn Ed, you mean now I have to stop boxing and mud wrestling?

    Well, you should be fine there. But the powerlifting is gonna have to go.

  7. #7 Steve Reuland
    February 23, 2005

    This guy should be locked in a room with Serena Williams, Mia Hamm and Rebecca Lobo.

    If he’s not down with it, I’ll volunteer to take his place.

  8. #8 CPT_Doom
    February 23, 2005

    My God – I just re-watched “A League of Their Own” this weekend, and this sounds WAAAY too similar to the “Ada Gillespie” character in that film – who decries the “masculinization of women” and uses the All-American Girls’ Baseball League as an example.

    The difference – the movie is a COMEDY.

    Sheesh!

  9. #9 Bill Ware
    February 23, 2005

    He probably doesn’t think women should enjoy sex either. It’s just a part of being a dutiful wife, isn’t it?

  10. #10 Galileo
    February 23, 2005

    I’ve never been a big sports fan, but this guy is rediculous. I guess we’ll all just have to sit around and watch TV now. Oh well.

    I urge parents to think deeply about this issue and about whether or not any members of their families should participate in organized sports programs.

    Wait! I’ve reconsidered! If they cancel the football games becaues all the players are worshiping pagan deities, when will the marching band get to play?

  11. #11 raj
    February 23, 2005

    If God doesn’t like women in sports, maybe he is a little more restrained than the men who’ve been buying the Girls Gone Wild videotapes.

  12. #12 liz
    February 24, 2005

    Nah, not those professional athlete women, they get paid, he needs to be locked up with girls who are passionate about their sport because it is THEIRS, like he ought to be locked up with any 12-year-old girls’ hockey team, or the 15-and-under martial artists (any discipline) or any women’s sabre (fencing) group…

  13. #13 Bruce McNeely
    February 24, 2005

    AFAIK, there’s good evidence that teen-age girls involved in competitive sports are more likely to refrain from sexual activity at an early age, and are less likely to get pregnant. I guess “Godly Biblical feminine character” means “babies having babies”. The same studies also correlate sports with increased self confidence and self esteem. Well, we can’t have THAT, can we?
    What a deranged idiot.

  14. #14 Patrick
    February 24, 2005

    What was interesting to me was that the rest of his site actually full of conspiracy theories, with a number of them pointed at the Catholic Church. Not to mention the one that said 9-11 was an American government plot.

    There used to be a great deal of prejudice against Catholics in this country. And even I can remember hearing myself referred to as a “papist” by a conservative Protestant teacher one time. I didn’t know what it meant at the time, other than it was something bad.

  15. #15 Andy
    February 24, 2005

    Playing sports is bad for a girl’s health. Girl’s bodies didn’t evolve for the mechanical stresses found in many sports today, such as basketball, volleyball, and soccer. Possibly due to their wider pelvises and looser joints, girls are more likely to injure their knees, depriving them of perhaps even the ability to walk in their older years.

    In addition, girls who reach for the highest levels of excellence often lower their percent body fat until they become amehnorric. When this happens, these girls significantly increase their chances of developing debilitating osteoporosis in their later years.

    Girls should be given the chance to play sports. Studies show that they are more susceptible to some injuries (ACL being the most publicized), but are overall not much more likely to suffer injury than male athletes.

    http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0654.htm
    http://www.physsportsmed.com/issues/1997/04apr/moeller.htm

  16. #16 Andy
    February 24, 2005

    The above removed my devil’s advocate tags. The first two paragraphs should be enclosed in such tags.

  17. #17 mark butterworth
    February 25, 2005

    Ya know, I realize how easy a target it is to attack a Christian who wants to sincerely follow his religion and its wisdom, but it wouldn’t hurt for any of you to actually make an attempt to understand his point of view.

    Go ahead and disagree with it, but it’s just possible that there is some wisdom to be found in his religion that serves people well,; just as there are things which have not always served humanity well.

    If your task on Earth is to make yourself and your family fit for Heaven, it would stand to reason, to seek to conform to a different standard and way of life – or are many of you of the opinion that it doesn’t matter what you do in this life? That nothing matters in the end?

    I don’t know what you folks are – liberals, lefties, secularists, atheists, anarchists, or what not; but I do know that a desire to actually understand those you disagree with seems to be in short supply.

    If you take a moment to try and imagine a Heaven that obliges you to consider reality different than it usually is on Earth, you might get an inkling on what qualities are enduring and those which are not.

  18. #18 Ed Brayton
    February 25, 2005

    Ya know, I realize how easy a target it is to attack a Christian who wants to sincerely follow his religion and its wisdom, but it wouldn’t hurt for any of you to actually make an attempt to understand his point of view.

    This has nothing to do with Christianity. My Christian friends who read this find it patently absurd too. Because it is.

  19. #19 mark butterworth
    February 25, 2005

    Yeah, I see they are full of Christian sympathy and understanding, too.

    I said it before, but just because someone has faith, it doesn’t mean that Custom isn’t even stronger for them. In my experience, you can’t tell a great many Christians apart from unreligious people. I think there ought to be a difference if one is serious about faith.

    Any Christian who takes Paul seriously as the fellow quoted does, is going to consider what he is considering. What is the best way to raise a daughter to become a good woman? It is charity to extend your neighbor a little latitude on the question.

    Do your Christian friends also consider the Amish, the Moravians, the Mennonites patently absurd, too, for the way they seriously practice their faith; or do they find that level of committment worthy of respect? Do they mock Catholics who become monks or nuns? That has to be patently absurd, also.

  20. #20 Ed Brayton
    February 26, 2005

    Any Christian who takes Paul seriously as the fellow quoted does, is going to consider what he is considering. What is the best way to raise a daughter to become a good woman? It is charity to extend your neighbor a little latitude on the question.

    I don’t extend charity to stupidity. When I mentioned this yesterday to my stepmother, who is a very devout born again Christian, she just sighed and said, “That person needs to spend some time around some of the great young women who work with groups like the Fellowship of Christian Athletes and its sister groups. There is nothing the least bit ungodly about competition or keeping your body in good shape, and the success of women athletes puts them in a strong position to witness to others.” Even from a Christian perspective, this person is being ridiculous. From my perspective, it’s outright idiocy.

  21. #21 Bill Ware
    February 26, 2005

    Mark, I agree that what we do today is important later in heaven, but I’m befuddled as to what that has to do with my daughter playing sports or not.

  22. #22 mark butterworth
    February 26, 2005

    Bill,

    I’m not agreeing with the fellow about girls and sports, but I’m not disagreeing with him either. I understand his thoughts on the matter entirely, and I respect them. But I am a little surprised that there is a basic assumption expressed by many that sports are an automatic good for girls or boys.

    I am willing to accept them as a compromise with human nature (particularly in boys), but their role in girls’ lives is questionable. If people want women to stay in good physical shape, nothing beats dance, which girls have almost generally preferred.

    My daughter competed a few years in swimming. She was good, but hadn’t a competitive bone in her body. She’s a great dancer now, though, by her own choice.

    Frankly, the climate of competition in sports for men and women has become unhealthy – for their bodies and their character.

    Sports does have positive qualities – teamwork, subordination, application of effort, and so on, but those things are easily acquired elsewhere, too.

    Music instruction, for example, has a direct and impressive impact on how well children do in school. Sports has none as far as I know other than as a carrot to entice them to maintain their grades (which merely encourages them in many cases to cheat or do well enough to get by).

    Ed,

    “When I mentioned this yesterday to my stepmother, who is a very devout born again Christian, she just sighed ”

    There is a very strong thread of antinomianism in American Christianity. The idea that as long as you believe in a few basics, you can pretty much do as you like. That’s why we don’t see lower divorce rates in evangelical Christians, lower drug and alcohol abuse, and there are plenty of abortions. Your stepmother’s opinion is not really the last word on what would Jesus or Paul do, is it? I think Christianity can handle having a wide range of views and practices without tagging different ones as stupid. I respect people who are sincerely and studiously trying to do the right thing for their children. Even though they may make mistakes. I made mistakes, too. But my wife and I did a great job of it. Just ask my daughter. She is a sublime young person.

    When it comes to stupid, this fellow you disdain doesn’t even come close.

  23. #23 mark butterworth
    February 26, 2005

    yup, used tags wrong again. I’ll get it this time? maybe.

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