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brayton_headshot_wre_1443.jpg Ed Brayton is a journalist, commentator and speaker. He is the co-founder and president of Michigan Citizens for Science and co-founder of The Panda's Thumb. He has written for such publications as The Bard, Skeptic and Reports of the National Center for Science Education, spoken in front of many organizations and conferences, and appeared on nationally syndicated radio shows and on C-SPAN. Ed is also a Fellow with the Center for Independent Media and the host of Declaring Independence, a one hour weekly political talk show on WPRR in Grand Rapids, Michigan.(static)

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Mark Olson on Slavery and the Bible

Category: Religion
Posted on: March 25, 2006 9:58 AM, by Ed Brayton

Mark Olson has written a response - well, kind of - to my post about slavery and the Bible. It's not really a response so much as it is a sneer in my general direction, and a highly inaccurate one at that. He makes no attempt to actually answer my arguments except for a relatively irrelevant one in my first post that was tangential to the real issue. He begins:

Now I've written about this before, Mr Brayton does not give the same consideration to theology that he does in the other parts of his life. He is ready and willing to chide a person critical of, say, evolutionary science for not "doing his homework". He is often less than charitable spreading scorn on those who haven't studied the ephemera of that field as well as himself. But, when it comes to exegesis and interpretation of Scripture (it seems) he looks for no authority past his own. In this it seems it a matter of the pot calling the kettle black. On those issues he is expert, he calls foul when those transgress and fail to hold up to his standards of expertise. But by the same light, he however is disdainful of giving the same consideration to interpretation of Scripture.

This is both false and completely presumptuous. Does Olson know how much study I've done on exegesis or on this particular question? Of course he doesn't. He also didn't bother to ask me. In fact, he is quite wrong. When I first began to question these things, as a teenage Christian, I didn't just look to my "own authority" (though I frankly don't think anyone has any "authority" in this issue), I spent the better part of a couple years studying, discussing and contemplating it.

In that process, I was given numerous books and articles by my pastors and I spent many hours in discussion with them on the subject. As I got older, the sophistication of those texts increased. I've read the thoughts fo numerous theologians attempting to answer the questions I had and continue to have; I found none of them compelling. Olson seems to assume that since I'm not satisfied with the answer of various theologians on these issues, I must not have read them; indeed, he goes further and even claims that I am "disdainful" of even giving them consideration. That's absurd and, frankly, offensive.

Interpretations against slavery are indirect and not obvious. Well, lots of things are indirect and not obvious...It might be argued that some of the very early teachings (Leviticus "love thy neighbor" and the Jubilee) could be argued would come to fruition in those philosophies (against slavery) that Mr Brayton wishes were more explicit back then. If those arguments are not explicit for a variety of reasons is that such a large fault?

Well yes, it might be argued. The question is whether this argument is compelling and I don't think it is. In fact, I frankly find it silly that one would pick out very vague statements like "love that neighbor" out of the book of Leviticus, ignore the very specific instructions condoning and commanding the buying and selling of slaves, and claim that this was all part of some slow-unfolding plan to bring a higher morality to "fruition" centuries later. And yes, this argument is made by many theologians; the fact that I reject doesn't mean I didn't give it consideration.

In no other case in the Bible that I'm aware of, even on the most mundane of actions, does God bother to take halfway measures to get a moral point across. On even the most minor and irrelevant of things, like wearing different types of fabrics, his commands are simple and bold: do not do it, period. Yet on this extraordinarily important moral question, the Bible is not merely silent, it explicitly condones the institution.

Surely if God can find the time or interest to give us explicit moral condemnations of premarital sex and refusing to impregnate our dead brother's widow, he can find the time or interest to explicitly say "don't own other human beings and treat them as property." But instead, the Bible explicitly declares that slaves are one's property to be handed down to one's children, and it doesn't even say that you can't beat them severely (as long as you don't kill them immediately, according to Exodus 21, you can beat them to your heart's content).

To take two statements, both allegedly from God, out of the very same text - one saying "love your neighbors" and another saying "slaves are your property, so as long as you don't kill them you can beat them severely" - and pretend that it's the first statement that he really, really meant and hoped would hold sway, simply is not credible to me. There is a conflict here, and it's a genuine conflict; such shallow and silly rationalizations do not make it go away.

After quoting my statement, restated above, that it makes no sense that God would pass on commandments on so many mundane issues but fail to tell us that slavery is wrong, he writes:

It makes no sense to whom? Mr Brayton? If differential geometry makes no sense to one student does that mean it makes no sense to anyone? Must sense come without effort? How much effort has Mr Brayton put into making sense of it one wonders?

Well yes, it makes no sense to me. And since I'm the one speaking for myself, who else is it supposed to make sense to? The fact that other people may think that there are convincing ways to justify this fact doesn't mean that I either do or should. And in fact, I put a good deal of effort into making sense of it. I spent two years as a young man, as I mentioned above, discussing it, reading about it, contemplating it, and even praying about it. I was a Christian at the time and I certainly didn't want to conclude that the beliefs I held dear were wrong. I looked for every option, but it ultimately came down to intellectual honesty - I couldn't continue to believe something that simply didn't make sense to me.

This last argument is always heard in such exchanges in one form or another. It usually is expressed as "Who are you to question God?" But this presumes that the Biblical conception of God is axiomatic between us and it's not. I am not questioning God, I'm questioning the validity of the Biblical conception of God. The folly of this argument would be quickly demonstrated by considering a conversation where Mr. Olson is discussing Hinduism with a Hindu. If he pointed out ideas and elements in the Hindu texts that he thinks don't make sense, the Hindu might just as easily respond, "Who are you to question Vishnu?" and thereby dismiss any logical objections as casually as so many Christians do with their similar question. I suspect he would find such an argument laughable if it was made by an adherent of any other religion.

In short, Olson really has two responses here - "who are you to say that this doesn't make sense?" and "since you aren't convinced by those theologians who try to justify this, you must refuse to even consider them". He spends no time actually providing an answer to my objections and arguments. If he has a means of justifying the things I've pointed out and he wants to offer them for consideration, I'll be happy to consider them.

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Ed,
I'm sorry and I want to apologize for the tone of my previous post. I'm in the process of writing another. Your right, I don't know how much effort, and reading you did on this question ... but in my only defense, you quoted none of it, just your opinion and my reply only reflects a bias I have against so much atheist anti-Christian rhetoric which shows very little respect for millenia of scholorship and thought.

Again ... I apologize, and I hope you'll have the patience with me to consider my future post/reply on this topic.

Posted by: Mark Olson Author Profile Page | March 26, 2006 8:47 PM

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One other remark. Might a religion which made strong pronouncements against slavery be then a religion only available to the non-slave? A slave cannot be free or permitted to worship thusly, and this makes a religion which is not for all people, just the free. It seems to me that depending on your particular soteriology and ideas on election this would imply that it would make more sense for that God to formulate moral strictures, e.g., love thy neighbor, which when considered fully will imply that slavery is wrong ... but make no direct assault on the institution because then it will be a forbidden religion for the slave. Note also that much of the OT was written down during times of slavery (exile) and subjugation.

Posted by: Mark Olson Author Profile Page | March 26, 2006 8:56 PM

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...but make no direct assault on the institution because then it will be a forbidden religion for the slave.

So then maybe God should just tell them that the religion isn't forbidden for the slave. Problem solved!

Note also that much of the OT was written down during times of slavery (exile) and subjugation.

So then maybe God should have the angel of death visit their tents and give them a plague or something. Problem solved!

Posted by: 386sx Author Profile Page | March 27, 2006 12:19 AM

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only reflects a bias I have against so much atheist anti-Christian rhetoric which shows very little respect for millenia of scholorship and thought.

No, it just shows the vacuity of the arguments used to defend an irrational belief structure. That you give credence to arguments that are clearly ridiculous speaks more to your credulity than any argument of merit.

A slave cannot be free or permitted to worship thusly, and this makes a religion which is not for all people, just the free

How about simply commanding your followers not to keep slaves. Then the former slaves would be free to worship thusly.

Posted by: Chance Author Profile Page | March 27, 2006 2:58 PM

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