Now on ScienceBlogs: Oxytocin: Starting with the basics

Seed Media Group

Dispatches from the Culture Wars

Thoughts From the Interface of Science, Religion, Law and Culture

Profile

brayton_headshot_wre_1443.jpg Ed Brayton is a journalist, commentator and speaker. He is the co-founder and president of Michigan Citizens for Science and co-founder of The Panda's Thumb. He has written for such publications as The Bard, Skeptic and Reports of the National Center for Science Education, spoken in front of many organizations and conferences, and appeared on nationally syndicated radio shows and on C-SPAN. Ed is also a Fellow with the Center for Independent Media and the host of Declaring Independence, a one hour weekly political talk show on WPRR in Grand Rapids, Michigan.(static)

Search

Recent Comments

Recent Posts

Blogroll


Science Blogs Legal Blogs Political Blogs Random Smart and Interesting People Evolution Resources

Archives

Other Information

Ed Brayton also blogs at Positive Liberty and The Panda's Thumb



Ed Brayton is a participant in the Center for Independent Media New Journalism Program. However, all of the statements, opinions, policies, and views expressed on this site are solely Ed Brayton's. This web site is not a production of the Center, and the Center does not support or endorse any of the contents on this site.

Ed's Audio and Video

Declaring Independence podcast feed

YearlyKos 2007

Video of speech on Dover and the Future of the Anti-Evolution Movement

Audio of Greg Raymer Interview

E-mail Policy

Any and all emails that I receive may be reprinted, in part or in full, on this blog with attribution. If this is not acceptable to you, do not send me e-mail - especially if you're going to end up being embarrassed when it's printed publicly for all to see.

Read the Bills Act Coalition

My Ecosystem Details



My Amazon.com Wish List

« Dembski Changing Seminaries | Main | Christian Coalition Flounders »

Witt's Dishonest Argument on Tiktaalik roseae

Category: Intelligent Design
Posted on: April 10, 2006 11:49 AM, by Ed Brayton

Jonathan Witt, one of the many DI shills, has posted one of the many ID responses to the find of Tiktaalik roseae. The most fascinating thing about the ID response to this find is how scatterbrained it's been. An organization famous for being able to stay "on message" can't seem to settle on a position. Rob Crowther, citing unnamed "Discovery Institute scientists", says that the find isn't a threat to ID at all because ID doesn't deny common descent.

But as Nick Matzke points out, Of Pandas and People, which the DI calls the first intelligent design textbook, clearly relies on the lack of "transitional forms", including specifically the transition from fish to amphibian, to make its case for ID. And now along comes Witt to argue that no fossil can provide evidence of common descent at all.

The ID folks are relying on the ignorance of their followers, hoping that they will conflate "missing link" and "transitional form", which do not mean the same thing at all. First of all, the whole notion of a "missing link" is nonsense. No one fossil is going to be the one fossil that proves ancestry. What matters is the pattern of appearance that we find all over the place in the fossil record. So they look at one specific fossil, Archaeopteryx for example, and say, "There are some feathered dinosaurs that existed before this one, so it can't be the missing link.

But paleontologists don't care about "missing links", they care about patterns. Yes, there are many feathered dinosaurs in the fossil record now. Do we know which exact species gave rise to birds? Nope. And we never will. What we do know, based on the patterns found in a whole range of paleo-species, is that the traits that define birds first developed in theropod dinosaurs. The fact that we have so many feathered theropods now means we can't be sure which exact species split off from which; it also means that the case that birds evolved from one of them is considerably stronger.

In the case of Tiktaalik, it's not one single missing link that shows the transition, it's a whole series of fossils showing the gradual development of all of the key diagnostic traits of amphibians from rhipidistian fish. Through a series of fossils from Panderichthys to the true amphibians (Amniator, Crassigyrinus, Colosteidae, etc), we can see the development of tetrapods from fish. We can basically "watch" the bones in the fins, the brain case, the nasal passages, and many other traits become gradually more adapted to life on land with each new species to appear - and they appear in precisely the right anatomical and temporal order that would be predicted by evolution. Indeed, that is why they were able to predict exactly the type and age of the deposits that Tiktaalik would be found in.

There simply is no rational explanation for this pattern other than common descent, regardless of whether we can define precise species-to-species ancestral relationships. Whether Elginerpeton split off specifically from Sauripterus or from another closely related species, it is the pattern of appearance that compels common descent as an explanation. But creationists want their followers to think that if we can't prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that species B came from species A, then there's no evidence for evolution. This is utter nonsense, and they know it's nonsense.

And what makes it all the more ridiculous is that the ID folks scream constantly that they're not creationists, that unlike creationists they can accept evolution as long as it's not purely materialistic. Yet they mimic the creationist arguments against common descent constantly. They just don't have a coherent argument on this at all.

Share this: Stumbleupon Reddit Email + More

Comments

1
They just don't have a coherent argument on this at all.

And that's what makes it all the more fun to watch.

Posted by: Ocellated Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 12:51 PM

2
The fact that we have so many feathered theropods now means we can't be sure which exact species split off from which; it also means that the case that birds evolved from one of them is considerably stronger.

Is the case stronger because, since there are numerous species with this trait, we can infer that feathers weren't merely an unusual aberration, but part of a larger pattern?

I was little confused by that because intuitively it would seem like a stronger case for various birds descending from various dinosaurs, but I am probably thinking about it in the wrong way..

Posted by: Leni Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 1:07 PM

3
And what makes it all the more ridiculous is that the ID folks scream constantly that they're not creationists, that unlike creationists they can accept evolution as long as it's not purely materialistic. Yet they mimic the creationist arguments against common descent constantly. They just don't have a coherent argument on this at all.


Not to mention that in previous versions and drafts of Panda's you could pretty much go through and replace every "creationism" with "Intelligent Design" and every "creator" with "Designer" to get the latest versions. (as bluntly shown by Judge Jones).

And they still claim that ID isn't creationism...

//laughs

Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 1:53 PM

4

Just a nit: That wasn't shown by Judge Jones, it was shown by Barbara Forrest, Nick Matzke, Wes Elsberry and the others who spent so much time analyzing the thousands of pages of manuscripts. Judge Jones just incorporated it into his ruling, and rightly so.

Posted by: Ed Brayton Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 2:39 PM

5

That was meant to say "to"

Trying to read blogs, type and actually work at the same time.

Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 3:20 PM

6

Ed, I wrote a piece about this, but for some reason I can't get trackbacks to work:

http://stevereuland.blogspot.com/2006/04/wittlessly-quote-mining.html

Posted by: Steve Reuland Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 3:45 PM

7

Nevermind, I see you found it. Thanks!

Posted by: Steve Reuland Author Profile Page | April 10, 2006 3:47 PM

Post a Comment

(Email is required for authentication purposes only. On some blogs, comments are moderated for spam, so your comment may not appear immediately.)





ScienceBlogs

Search ScienceBlogs:

Go to:

Advertisement
Follow ScienceBlogs on Twitter
Visit the Collective Imagination blog
Advertisement
Enter to win

© 2006-2009 Seed Media Group LLC. ScienceBlogs is a registered trademark of Seed Media Group. All rights reserved.

Sites by Seed Media Group: Seed Media Group | ScienceBlogs | SEEDMAGAZINE.COM