Dispatches from the Creation Wars

Isn’t It Ironic?

No, not the fake irony of the Alanis Morisette song, but genuine irony. Like this quote, from a new documentary debuting on HBO about the religious right:

The HBO documentary shows the Rev. Ted Haggard, the former president of the National Association of Evangelicals, talking frankly about how evangelical Christians have sex more than any other religious group.

“You know all the surveys say that evangelicals have the best sex life of any other group,” he says.

If you include sex with gay prostitutes, that is.


  1. #1 MJ Memphis
    January 23, 2007

    Well, heck, just the preachers’ daughters alone are enough to skew that calculation.

  2. #2 J-Dog
    January 23, 2007

    Oh God, Oh God, Oh God! YES!

  3. #3 ericnh
    January 23, 2007

    And I’m supposed to believe this guy? I suppose if by “great sex life” he means that evangelic men can have sex with whomever they want, regardless of marital status, because they’re the “chosen ones”, then okay. Whatever you need to tell yourself, Rev. I’d like to know what the evangelical wives think about it.

  4. #4 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    January 23, 2007

    If you include sex with gay prostitutes, that is.

    Or your mother.

  5. #5 knutsondc
    January 23, 2007

    Fundamentalists in all the Abrahamic religions often appear to be obsessed with sex. Many of the public policy issues that hit their “hot buttons” relate directly to sexual activity, such as abortion, contraception, divorce, and homosexuality and many others are closely related to it, such as the appropriate role of women outside the home. Their “manhood” seems to depend upon controlling how everybody expresses sexuality; I’m no psychologist, but I’d say it’s the product of deep insecurity and feelings of shame and inadequacy. “Rev.” Haggard is a prime example. He was obviously “whistling past the graveyard” when he was talking about how “great” are evangelicals’ sex lives.

  6. #6 Nick Matzke
    January 23, 2007

    Alexandra Pelosi came to the Kitzmiller v. Dover trial and filmed, so there will probably be some stuff on that in the documentary.

  7. #7 marty
    January 23, 2007

    I found this quote kind of disheartening, actually:

    “There’s a lot of secular television that provides bad role models. It is important to expose your kid to religion, any religion, otherwise they’ll become uncharged, and those are the ones who may later in life fall into more extreme religions,” [Pelosi] said.

    She believes everyone can learn something from evangelicals, even if the lesson is not religious. The group’s dedication to church and its cause impressed Pelosi.

    “They were so organized, and that is something everybody can learn something from,” she said.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with her children learning about religion. But how she says that television is bad and implies that growing up in church is good sounds.. well, very evangelical.

  8. #8 Saint Gasoline
    January 23, 2007

    Yes, sex is so much better when you wait decades to get married before you can engage in it. In fact, the sex is so good that you never get bored of it and never do something like solicit a gay prostitute for sex.

    But, to be fair, at least he isn’t touching altar boys. I don’t have a problem when someone pays a gay prostitute for sex.

  9. #9 Andrew
    January 23, 2007

    Wait – does anyone know what surveys he is talking about? Or is he just making that bit up?

  10. #10 MarkG
    January 23, 2007

    “They were so organized, and that is something everybody can learn something from,” she [Pelosi] said.

    Nazi’s were pretty organised too.

  11. #11 Rich
    January 23, 2007

    Actually, “Ironic” by Alannis isn’t fake; it’s meta-irony. If recursion and irony were to have a baby, it would be like “raaaaaaiiiin, on your wedding day”.. or something.

  12. #12 James
    January 24, 2007

    “They were so organized, and that is something everybody can learn something from,”

    Wow. Political elite likes ides of socialising kids into uncritical obedience. There’s a shock.

  13. #13 William
    January 24, 2007

    My friend Craig explained it all in a reply to an email I sent out asking “Is every Priest a homo?”:


    Actually – no. Both of these church leaders were members of conservative Protestant churches, which makes them “Pastors” rather than “Priests”.

    * Pastors are generally married and seem to prefer sex with men…at least in Colorado.

    * Priests are not married and seem to prefer sex with minors…

    Therefore, it would seem that the question would then be: “Is every pastor a homo?” or “Is every priest a pedophile?”


  14. #14 Harq al-Ada
    January 24, 2007

    It is perhaps the case that evangelicals have MORE sex than non-evengelicals. They tend to get married younger, and people in steady relationships have more sex than singles. People in committed, non-marital relationships have the most sex, but they do not last as long as marriages. On average, then, people who marry young may have more sex overall than the rest of the population.

    But if you REALLY want to have a lot of sex, be a gay male. Their stats are pretty impressive.

  15. #15 DuWayne
    January 24, 2007

    Harq al-Ada –

    But if you REALLY want to have a lot of sex, be a gay male. Their stats are pretty impressive.

    Oddly enough, this is moving towards becoming a myth. While young, gay males are quite promiscuous as a group, straight young people are catching up quite quickly.

    This is due to a number of factors, I will stick with the two mst prominent. First, straight people are simply having a lot more sex out of wedlock than they were, even thirty years ago. It is no longer considered a very big deal.

    The other factor, is that gays are becoming less promiscuous. As their lifestyle becomes more acceptable, there are less barriers to forming longterm relationships. Thus the push for gay marriage, to add stability that some realtionships need. There is just less reason to go out and get the sex you can with whomever you can, when you can form a longterm relationship with a partner you actually enjoy having sex with.

    And I think that this begins to contradicts your notion that evangelicals have more sex. If you want to count the younger years, I guarantee you that I had far more sex, between the ages of 15 – 28, than most evangelicals have before they’re 30. The fact that I’ve been celibate for two years, aside – I am far from unique. I may have taken it to an extreme that puts me into a bit of a minority, but not by all that much.

    I do think that there is some corralation between the promiscuity of gay men and the rise in promiscuity of straight people (though I know there are a lot more factors than that). As homosexuality has become more acceptable, I think people have taken the idea that if they are ok, then what they do is ok – therefor, it’s ok to have lots of sex. I think it has stuck because lots of people having lots of sex, don’t feel dirty, or depressed about it. They don’t raise their kids to have those hangups – which is very healthy – repression is a mind killer, worse than fear.

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