Dispatches from the Creation Wars

Raw Story has the video of the Daily Show’s shredding of Tony Snow’s claim that the White House has made a “generous offer” of allowing Rove and Miers to “testify” without oaths or transcripts. Very funny stuff. I just find it astonishing that Snow can stand there with a straight face and seriously argue that no transcripts and no oath to tell the truth is more conducive to a “search for truth” than the opposite. That’s stunningly idiotic.

Comments

  1. #1 Martin
    March 25, 2007

    These are Bush Republicans. What did you expect?

  2. #2 Foxy
    March 25, 2007

    Still though, given what he has to work with, is Tony Snow good at his job? I mean, is there anyone that could make this stuff sound legitimate?

  3. #3 386sx
    March 25, 2007

    Still though, given what he has to work with, is Tony Snow good at his job? I mean, is there anyone that could make this stuff sound legitimate?

    I don’t know if anybody could make it sound legitimate but surely there are people who wouldn’t look like a complete idiot. His boss has a knack for hiring incompetent people. I can’t imagine why his boss has a knack for that. I dunno, that’s a tough one. Maybe the historians will figure that one out some day. :-)

  4. #4 Karen
    March 25, 2007

    I think the fact that Snow comes across like an idiot indicates that he still has some integrity left, deep down inside. Anyone who could pitch that sort of BS smoothly must be a sociopath.

  5. #5 NJ Osprey
    March 25, 2007

    Ed –

    I believe that the Democratic majority should accept the President’s bi-partisan offer to get to the truth in the spirit in which it was tendered with one additional proviso: the interviews of the White House staff should occur within the parameters documented in the Attorney General’s memos concerning interrogation.

    (Now where did I leave my waterboard? Anyone seen the diagrams of stress positions that are allowed? Oh, and don’t forget the hoods, batteries and jumper cables. Serving number 1. Mr. Rove…right this way, please.)

  6. #6 Tyler DiPietro
    March 25, 2007

    Seriously, didn’t you see the John Bolton interview on TDS? He made it very clear that any attempt to get in the way of the executive represents and affront to Democratic Theory. This is just another attempt by the rule of law mafia to get the president on trivial legal technicalities like “obstruction of justice” and “perjury”. You check-and-balance-istas need to get with the program and let Bush suspend the Constitution so he can fight the War on Terror unimpeded. If the president is bound by the law, the terrorists have already won. Why do you all hate America?

  7. #7 Ted
    March 25, 2007

    He made it very clear that any attempt to get in the way of the executive represents and affront to Democratic Theory.

    As a follow-up, the following day, Stewart made two germane points:

    1. Bolton believes that the election provides a mandate to carry out an agenda, pretty much wholly dismissing the desires of the minority. In essence, a policy of marginalizing the rest of the country and using patronage to displace career government workers.

    2. Stewart called up Doris Kearns Goodwin, and had her go through the composition of Lincoln’s cabinet, to demonstrate that Bolton’s understanding of governance and history was assinine.

    Perhaps we should get Doris to weigh in on the Civil War questions that seem to raging of late.

  8. #8 Miguelito
    March 25, 2007

    Wait. That was satire?

  9. #9 Ed Brayton
    March 25, 2007

    I actually think Snow is much better at his job than his two predecessors, McClellan and Fleischer. He’s much smoother and more convincing. The job just inevitably requires spouting things you know are bullshit, and that you know everyone else knows is bullshit.

  10. #10 kehrsam
    March 25, 2007

    I always felt sorry for Ari Fleischer. It was almost as if he could feel his nose growing as the press conference dragged on. The pained expression on his face was priceless.

    Tony Snow, on the other hand, is a “media personality” (whatever that may be) rather than a journalist. The overnight ratings numbers are much more important than the truth.

  11. #11 daenku32
    March 25, 2007

    I want a reporter, or someone there, to record the whole thing and post it on Youtube. It might be unofficial, but the American people deserve a chance to hear the ‘truth’, or at least get to decide that the White House is indeed filled with bullshit.

  12. #12 Ginger Yellow
    March 25, 2007

    Really? I’d say Fleischer was the best. Snow’s better than McClellan, who had about three stock stonewalling responses. Snow’s much more imaginative, but he arrived at a time when the press corps was getting more aggressive and the house of cards was starting to collapse. Consequently he’s had to lie about a lot more than either Fleischer or McClellan did. Also, his journalistic past keeps throwing up awkward things like his comments on Clinton’s use of executive privilege.

    As for the “generous offer” thing, I loved it when he tried to make a comparison with the unreasonableness a transcript of a conversation of his with a journalist. 1) As a journalist I wouldn’t mind transcripts of my conversations with press officers being public. 2) A conversation with a press officer isn’t testimony to Congress on the abuse of presidential powers.

  13. #13 Tyler DiPietro
    March 25, 2007

    Stewart called up Doris Kearns Goodwin, and had her go through the composition of Lincoln’s cabinet, to demonstrate that Bolton’s understanding of governance and history was assinine.

    Yeah, yeah. So you America hating liberals have the serious history and legal analysis elite on your side too. Well, I’m not playing that game. You have the right to your history and law, but I have the history and the law on my side. It is hereby whatever I say it is, sort of like imminent threats and reconstituted WMD programs, if you know what I mean.

  14. #14 jpf
    March 25, 2007

    If only we could pass a law — perhaps as a last-minute, hidden rider to the “Read The Bills Act” — that says all elected politicians and political appointees are considered to be under oath 24/7 for the duration of their terms/appointments.

  15. #15 Mustafa Mond, FCD
    March 25, 2007

    Tony Snow: “Do you want Karl Rove on TV, or do you want the truth?”

    Video

  16. #16 Coin
    March 26, 2007

    I think Snow’s much better at his job than his predecessors. He’s not able to convince anyone of this stuff, but convincing people isn’t the point; either you already believed before Snow spoke, or you’re irrelevant. Snow’s successful at his job because he’s able to make theater out of his dissembling– and the Bush administration does much better when the news concentrates on theater rather than facts. Fleischer responded to uncomfortable questions with “I don’t know”, Tony Snow responds with personal attacks and jokes; and the result is that instead of printing that the white house didn’t answer the question, as would have with Fleischer, the media prints the personal attack or joke. Tony Snow’s job right now is to serve as a distraction from the actual issues, and at that one particular thing, he’s quite excellent.

  17. #17 Troublesome Frog
    March 26, 2007

    I thought Fleischer was the best of the group. At the very least, he was the most convincing. It almost hurt to watch him because you could actually see the slow deterioration of his sanity over his tenure at the job. If you ever hear him in interviews, he’s always sharp and quick on his feet. It’s almost a testament to the Bush administration that they put him in a position that even he couldn’t defend deftly.

    McClellan always seemed like a confused intern who was always shocked to come out and find cameras pointed at him. I’m sure he was a reasonably smart guy, but he always came off looking almost as addled as his boss does in front of a crowd. To his credit, that did sort of give us the mistaken impression that he was stupid enough to believe the words he was saying.

    I really don’t like Snow. He’s so smooth and soulless that he doesn’t even really seem to be squirming and wincing at the bullshit he has to spout. He clearly has to know that he’s full of it, but it’s unnerving to see a man who is so completely detached from the fact that he’s lying his way out of a horrifically untenable position. It’s like the serial killer in a horror movie: The really creepy villain is the guy who shows complete detachment while he butchers somebody. You just don’t know what’s going on in his head, but you know it’s not working like the rest of us. I was almost rooting for the other two, but Snow gives me the willies.

  18. #18 Christophe Thill
    March 26, 2007

    On first reading, I understood that the offer was generous… towards Rove. Am I wrong…?

  19. #19 Foxy
    March 26, 2007

    You can’t handle the truth!

  20. #20 itchy
    March 26, 2007

    I really don’t like Snow. He’s so smooth and soulless that he doesn’t even really seem to be squirming and wincing at the bullshit he has to spout. … It’s like the serial killer in a horror movie: The really creepy villain is the guy who shows complete detachment while he butchers somebody

    That is why Snow is the best. I’m not saying that’s a good thing, just that he’s the best at serving the president.

  21. #21 les
    March 26, 2007

    Actually, Snow may be truthful; since the WH alternative is retreat to the bunker, unseen unrecorded unsworn interviews represents the best shot at the truth. Not effective, not likely to get there, but…

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