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Gribbit and the Post

Posted on: March 12, 2007 9:27 AM, by Ed Brayton

Gribbit has his panties all in a bunch because the Washington Post "allowed" Hillary Clinton to compare herself to JFK:

The Washington Post in its leftist wisdom is allowing Hillary Rodham (I'm refusing to call her Rodham-Clinton because I believe she's about to shed the married suffix) to call herself the JFK of this race! How pathetic can you get?!?

There's just one tiny problem: the link is to the NY Post, not the Washington Post. And the New York Post is owned by Rupert Murdoch, the ultra-conservative owner of Fox News; so much for "liberal wisdom." Of course, even if it was the Washington Post, the notion that they "allowed" her to compare herself to JFK is silly. How could they stop her from doing so? She is of course free to say anything she wants and newspapers, regardless of their political bent, are going to report what she said.

And what she said, in fact, was far more reasonable than Gribbit would like you to believe. The only thing she compared, it turns out, was the argument that she couldn't be elected as a woman and the argument that JFK couldn't be elected as a Catholic:

"He was smart, he was dynamic, he was inspiring and he was Catholic. A lot of people back then [1960] said, 'America will never elect a Catholic as president,' " the White House hopeful told the New Hampshire Democrats' 100 Club fund-raiser here.

"But those who gathered here almost a half century ago knew better," she said. "They believed America was bigger than that and Americans would give Sen. John F. Kennedy a fair shake, and the rest, as they say, is history."

Noting women are "the majority" of voters and are in the workforce in "record numbers," she added, "So when people tell me 'a woman can never be president,' I say, we'll never know unless we try."

But since Gribbit is busy attacking the wrong newspaper, he also decides to attack them for the wrong reason. Get a load of this reasoning:

This is the paper which printed unconfirmed (at the time) charges against a sitting President of the United States without a nameable source. Now later it was confirmed that a crime was committed under the President's authority (at the time - Nixon - Watergate). But they went to press with a story originating from a source who for over 30 years remained anonymous. This has empowered others like the New York Slimes to print stories without naming sources fueling the war efforts of our enemies. But I digress.

Well yes, you do digress. And dissemble. And look like quite an idiot when you say things like this. Anyone wanna take a bet on whether our old pal Gribbit was up in arms when a newspaper printed a negative story about the Clinton administration with information from an unnamed source? I'd say that's about as likely as Dick Cheney admitting to being wrong about something. Of course, regardless of Gribbit's hypocrisy, the argument is still absolutely absurd.

So the Washington Post printed accusations from an unnamed source. Those accusations were at the time unsupported. But they were true, and because the paper printed them there was an investigation that DID confirm them and reveal that the president of the United States was involved in a massive criminal conspiracy. Would he rather the media not investigate the possible criminal behavior of politicians? Of course not. Only of Republican politicians.

But it's the concluding paragraph that is the icing on this cake:

So for now with the assistance of the leftist propaganda rag known as the Washington Post, Hillary will try to ride the coat-tails of a dead before his time icon of American history all the way to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

Actually, you linked to and quoted the "assistance" - i.e. the accurate reporting - of a rightist propaganda rag known as the New York Post. Reading comprehension is such an easily overlooked gift.

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Funny. The Daily Kos recently posted a blog entry that began with: "Back in the good old days, ...the Washington Post editorial board actually did care about lies."

It seems the Washington Post can't please anybody.

Posted by: Brandon | March 12, 2007 10:23 AM

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This whole rehabilitation of Nixon thing really threw me when I first noticed it at the time of Mark Felt's "coming out". I mean, the tapes turned him into such a cartoon villain that I thought of all dodgy politicians his name would live longest in infamy. I suppose I should have learned from Iran Contra.

Posted by: Ginger Yellow | March 12, 2007 10:40 AM

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Actually, the Washington Post printed stories with input from many different anonymous sources during the Watergate scandal. Anyone who has read "All the President's Men" knows that Felt was on background only - he could never be the primary source for any story. The reporters had to have three anonymous sources before the editors would print and they STILL made mistakes. But that is journalism.

And if there has been any negative effect of the news media's willingness to quote unnamed sources, it is the effectiveness with which the Bush administration has used that policy to spread half-truths, smear campaigns and personal attacks against administration critics, including Joseph Wilson.

Posted by: CPT_Doom | March 12, 2007 10:47 AM

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and if there has been any negative effect of the news media's willingness to quote unnamed sources, it is the effectiveness with which the Bush administration has used that policy to spread half-truths, smear campaigns and personal attacks against administration critics, including Joseph Wilson.

Of course there's a big difference between the two, and I've never understood why the NYT and WaPo find it so hard to distinguish between the two. Anonymity for government officials when disputing the government line - OK. Anonymity for government officials when propagating the government line - not OK.

Posted by: Ginger Yellow | March 12, 2007 11:15 AM

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This guy's stuff is so over-the-top moronic that I've gotta ask: Are we sure he isn't parody?

Posted by: NJ | March 12, 2007 11:54 AM

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This has to be the funniest thing in Gribbit's non-sensical ranting:

"Hillary has a fear. Her fear is that a woman who is better respected than she is will enter the race and Obama will no longer be the only person that she has to fight for the rights to equate themselves to JFK. If Dr. Rice or Mrs. Bush were to enter the race Hillary's campaign will come to a screeching halt. And she knows it."

Mrs Bush?!

Posted by: Dono | March 12, 2007 1:00 PM

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Condi Rice? A viable candidate? You've got to be shittin' me. Sorry Dono, I think that one is even worse than Laura Bush ... though they're both ridiculous candidates.

Posted by: dogmeatib | March 12, 2007 1:16 PM

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No argument there. At least I'd heard Rice's name mentioned before--the idea of Laura "The Big Empty" Bush as presidental candidate came right out of the blue!

Maybe he was referring to that fine upstanding compassionate Barbara.

Posted by: Dono | March 12, 2007 1:41 PM

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I'm pretty sure that all three would be torn to pieces by any Democratic candidate worthy of the title. You have Rice's incompetence as security advisor (not to mention SoS), Laura and her vehicular escapades, and Barbara's racist comments and questionable donations.

A charming trio if ever there was one...

Posted by: dogmeatib | March 12, 2007 2:12 PM

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I've never heard of this Gribbit fellow outside of your blog. AFAIK he's just a third-string blogger with lots of strong opinions and a below-average intelligence. Is he worth debunking?

Posted by: steve s | March 12, 2007 6:54 PM

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"I've never heard of this Gribbit fellow outside of your blog. AFAIK he's just a third-string blogger with lots of strong opinions and a below-average intelligence. Is he worth debunking?"

My personal aesthetics lead me to believe that blogging should use the typical literary devices of humor and irony as well as good old fashioned entertainment in addition to being informative. Gribbit may not be a high-brow debate opponent, but when it comes to knee-slapping funniness and laughable stupidity, he's like mana falling from the sky.

Posted by: Tyler DiPietro | March 12, 2007 8:10 PM

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(I should add that I'm not presuming to speak for Ed, just giving my personal opinon. Don't want to be seen as an overly presumptuous idiot.)

Posted by: Tyler DiPietro | March 12, 2007 8:12 PM

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Isn't it kind of cruel to keep delivering these verbal beatdowns to Gribbit? It's not exactly a fair fight. Given the information he has revealed about himself (later deleted, although you can still find the cache versions), he is clearly unwell and I just don't see the point in all this. Regular readers already know that the guy is full of spite, ill-informed and barely able to form a thought. Does the point need to be belabored?

Posted by: J. Pantalones | March 12, 2007 10:20 PM

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No, it isn't cruel at all. Bigoted, delusional morons like Gribbit need to be constantly reminded that they are bigoted, delusional morons. Otherwise, they begin to think that what they have to say is somehow worth listening to... and you wouldn't want us to let Gribbit live a lie, now would you?

Besides, it's fun to poke the moron and watch it squirm...

Posted by: meatbrain | March 13, 2007 8:21 AM

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I've never read this Gribbit character anywhere but in excerpt here, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he expressed equal outrage at every media outlet that carried the story when Bush compared himself to George Frickin' Washington a few weeks back...

Posted by: Adam | March 13, 2007 10:40 AM

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