Dispatches from the Creation Wars

Phelps on Mary Cheney’s Baby

Pam Spaulding has the video and transcript of Fred Phelps’ absolutely appalling rant against Mary Cheney having a baby. It’s an interesting observation on the various levels of bigoted insanity. Phelps makes anti-gay nuts like Paul Cameron look almost sane by comparison. It’s even more frightening to think that Phelps isn’t even as bad as such psychosis gets. As vile as it is to protest at the funerals of gay people and call them dehumanizing names, at least he’s not stoning them to death as Islamic radicals want to do. And it just makes my mind boggle once again that anyone can believe that God actually commanded such a barbaric act (as the Bible claims he did in Leviticus) and still believe that God is just and moral.

Comments

  1. #1 Brian
    May 29, 2007

    The interesting thing is that Islam and homosexuality have a bit of a history together. I’ve just written a post about the topic of gay Arabs (linking from your post about the firing of arabic translators by the US military). The topic is a real eye-opener.

  2. #2 Dunc
    May 29, 2007

    That’s the essence of Divine Command moral theory though, isn’t it? Anything ordained by God is by definition just and moral, because God gets to define morality. If you presented these folks with the Euthyphro Dilemma, they’d plump for Option B without a second thought, and not even understand why it’s a dilemma.

    In short, they have the moral development of a 2-year-old.

  3. #3 kehrsam
    May 29, 2007

    Hell, Dunc, I minored in philosophy and barely remembered that one. For the benefit of the science-types around here, Socrates’ question to Eutyphro was

    “Is the pious (τὸ ὅσιον) loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?” (10a)

    And if horses could conceive of gods, they would take the form of horses, no?

  4. #4 matthew
    May 29, 2007

    Don’t you think he’d be the first person to throw the stones if he could get away with it? I think he would be.

  5. #5 Kristine
    May 29, 2007

    The interesting thing is that Islam and homosexuality have a bit of a history together.

    Indeed. Sexuality is complex, and a lot of what appears to be “homosexuality” in Arab or other Islamic cultures is just due to the male-female segregation. It’s rampant but taboo in Afghanistan, for example. People are human beings and need physical contact however they can get it, and I suspect that the stricter forms of gender segregation are not unlike prison (for all genders).

    And Phelps is in a prison of his own making.

  6. #6 Eamon Knight
    May 29, 2007

    Geez, you have to be pretty far gone to see a new-born baby as a “filthy abomination”, however you may feel about its parentage. But Rev. Freddie’s got a convincing record as a sociopath (including w.r.t. his own kids).

  7. #7 c.tower
    May 29, 2007

    I’m convinced that Phelps and his brood WOULD commit acts of violence if they thought they could get away with it, and someday one of them probably will. In fact, at the risk of sounding paranoid, are there any unsolved “Gay-bashings” in that neck of the woods?

  8. #8 jimbo
    May 29, 2007

    I’ve suspected that Phelps is a total put-up job to make
    run-of-the-mill haters look reasonable by comparison.

  9. #9 Coin
    May 29, 2007

    Stupid, stupid Overton window.

  10. #10 Pseudonym
    May 29, 2007

    Far be it from me to defend Phelps, but he actually has a one good point in there. Dick Cheney distanced themselves from Mary’s sexuality when it politically suited him. Now, it politically suits him not to distance himself quite so much, and so he’s responding with more “no comment”s, “the question is out of line”s and photos of his grandchild.

    I’m most sorry that it took an evil sick man like Phelps to point it out.

  11. #11 doctorgoo
    May 29, 2007

    Far be it from me to defend Phelps, but…

    Then don’t! If you don’t have anything negative to say, then don’t say anything at all…

    ;-)

  12. #12 Raging Bee
    May 29, 2007

    I’m most sorry that it took an evil sick man like Phelps to point it out.

    We were aware of Cheney’s spinelessness and hypocricy on this issue long before Phelps got in to the act, thankyouverymuch.

  13. #13 Ed Brayton
    May 29, 2007

    Actually, I’ve been pointing that out for a long time. Cheney has treated his daughter abominably, in my view. It’s quite obvious that the Cheneys, both of whom are very prominent leaders among conservatives, have no problem at all with Mary. They treat Heather Poe like a member of their family, which she is, and they are quite proud of Mary. Sadly, they have been pretty much completely devoid of the character necessary to stand up and say that their daughter deserves the same protections in her relationship with Heather that their other children have automatically with their spouses. I hope that after they leave public office, they decide to do it. It won’t show courage, which they obviously lack, but will at least help atone for their silence up to this point.

  14. #14 Ginger Yellow
    May 30, 2007

    “And it just makes my mind boggle once again that anyone can believe that God actually commanded such a barbaric act (as the Bible claims he did in Leviticus) and still believe that God is just and moral.”

    But, Ed, it’s all OK because God made a new covenant with man at Christ’s death. So let’s just forget about all the bigotry and slaughter and slavery and stuff, OK. Just like we forgot about him killing practically the entire human race when he gave us that lovely rainbow. God’s such a nice man.

  15. #15 Ginger Yellow
    May 30, 2007

    “And it just makes my mind boggle once again that anyone can believe that God actually commanded such a barbaric act (as the Bible claims he did in Leviticus) and still believe that God is just and moral.”

    But, Ed, it’s all OK because God made a new covenant with man at Christ’s death. So let’s just forget about all the bigotry and slaughter and slavery and stuff, OK. Just like we forgot about him killing practically the entire human race when he gave us that lovely rainbow. God’s such a nice man.

  16. #16 OMO ITUA
    May 31, 2007

    MARY CHENY YOU NEED JESUS IN YOUR HEART AND JOE.

  17. #17 OMO ITUA
    May 31, 2007

    MARY CHENY YOU NEED JESUS IN YOUR HEART AND JOE.

  18. #18 MJ Memphis
    May 31, 2007

    “MARY CHENY YOU NEED JESUS IN YOUR HEART AND JOE.”

    Jesus in her joe? Most people I know stick to sugar and/or creamer in their (cup o’) joe.

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