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NCBCPS Removes Evidence From Website

Posted on: August 13, 2007 9:30 AM, by Ed Brayton

On August 12th, I posted quotes on my blog from the NCBCPS webpage that clearly have implications for any purpose prong analysis of that curriculum. On the front page, they reprinted a column written by Chuck Norris, one of their advisory board members, that included Norris declaring that this curriculum was, "Your first step to get God back into your public school." Within a few hours of that post going up, the NCBCPS edited their front page to remove that quote, while leaving in the rest of Norris' article.

I neglected to archive the page when I wrote it, but this can be confirmed by looking at the original text of Norris' column, which is still available at the Worldnetdaily site. The phrase "Your first step to get God back into your public school" is in big bold letters as a column heading near the bottom of the article. This is just more historical revisionism from a group that is famous for it, of course, but it may not look too good to the judge in the case. I'll make sure this information gets to the attorneys.

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I think we need more articles stressing that we must bring Ra or Vishnu or Odin into public schools and see how that goes over. They'd have to be proposed by celebrities at least equal in stature to Mr. Norris. Or maybe Stephen Baldwin. And of course, since we need prayer back in schools, too, Monday would be Buddhist Prayer Day, Tuesday would be Satanist Prayer Day, Wednesday would be Raelian Prayer Day, etc. Think of how culturally enriching that would be for our kids! By the time they were in ninth or tenth grade, they'd be almost done saying a prayer each day for each religion practiced in the world! (And surely be guaranteed salvation no matter which one is right! Gotta cover all the bases, ya know.)

Posted by: Alison | August 13, 2007 9:52 AM

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No school should promote prayer. Students should be free to do so if they like though, in the spirit of freedom of religious practice. But who knows what could happen in the near future: as we get ever closer to become a communist country, the government might punish those who practice any particular religion as in China or Soviet Union.

Posted by: RayGun | August 13, 2007 10:45 AM

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But who knows what could happen in the near future: as we get ever closer to become a communist country, the government might punish those who practice any particular religion as in China or Soviet Union.

That seems a fairly plausible scenario, given Texas' recent addition of the words 'there is no God' to their state pledge. Damn heathens!

Posted by: MartinM | August 13, 2007 10:50 AM

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Ed, the notoriety of being the guy that beat Chuck Norris...!

Posted by: Rich | August 13, 2007 12:26 PM

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Did you hear that? That's the sound of history ending up on the receiving end of a roundhouse kick to the face.

Posted by: Tyler DiPietro | August 13, 2007 3:14 PM

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I think we need more articles stressing that we must bring Ra or Vishnu or Odin into public schools and see how that goes over. They'd have to be proposed by celebrities at least equal in stature to Mr. Norris. Or maybe Stephen Baldwin. And of course, since we need prayer back in schools, too, Monday would be Buddhist Prayer Day, Tuesday would be Satanist Prayer Day, Wednesday would be Raelian Prayer Day, etc. Think of how culturally enriching that would be for our kids! By the time they were in ninth or tenth grade, they'd be almost done saying a prayer each day for each religion practiced in the world! (And surely be guaranteed salvation no matter which one is right! Gotta cover all the bases, ya know.)

Posted by: Alison | August 13, 2007 09:52 AM

"What if we pick the wrong religion? Every week, we're making God madder and madder!"

-Homer Simpson

Posted by: steve s | August 13, 2007 3:48 PM

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The unedited version that the NCBCPS is trying to hide can be found on this cached version of their home page: http://64.233.169.104/searchq=cache:as5roqk6w9UJ:www.bibleinschools.net/node/34+bible+in+school+chuck+norris&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us&ie=UTF-8

Posted by: silverspoon | August 13, 2007 3:59 PM

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I favour Ma'at, the goddess of justice

I'm not getting the cached page. Next time, try a screen capture?

Posted by: Monado | August 13, 2007 6:38 PM

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Did you notice the article about Coral Ridge ministries complaining that the bible text for schools was relativistic?

A well-known Christian pastor is denouncing a controversial new Bible curriculum designed for public schools which he says encourages students to question whether the Bible is the inspired Word of God.

Teach the controversy, I say!

Speaking of fossils, how can coral be on a ridge unless you've had sea-floor uplift?

Posted by: Monado | August 13, 2007 6:42 PM

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Hey, shouldn't the fact that they removed it be evidence in their favor? They probably changed their beliefs just as easily.

Posted by: Grumpy | August 13, 2007 8:22 PM

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it's now removed from world nut daily also... they changed "god" to "bible".

Posted by: john | August 14, 2007 12:23 AM

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But I thought that people of faith were scrupulously honest! After all, the WND-type people keep telling me that without their god I cannot be moral. I suppose that is not the same thing as saying that with their god I will be moral...

Posted by: Chris Anderson | August 14, 2007 6:18 AM

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The Chuck Norris article was Google-cached on 8th with the original words. Hurry before Google crawls it again.

Posted by: Shawn Wilkinson | August 14, 2007 7:02 AM

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The Chuck Norris article was Google-cached on 8th with the original words. Hurry before Google crawls it again.

Posted by: Shawn Wilkinson | August 14, 2007 7:03 AM

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I thought that I had archived it too and didn't. Someone has managed to get it though?

Posted by: Peter | August 14, 2007 7:39 AM

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Sorry for the double post...

But it looks like Norris edited his original column yesterday to save face. I've saved an image of the google-cache in case when you wake up Ed google crawled over it before you or your lawyer friends see it. I've also posted an image comparison at my blog.

Posted by: Shawn Wilkinson | August 14, 2007 8:06 AM

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Dear fellow scientificalists:

The things I do for my country.

I had to crawl through six hundred yards of internets tubes, the length of six football fields (or 5 to 5.4545... Regulation International Soccer Pitches, if you swing THAT way), smelling of foulness I don't even want to imagine. But, in the end, I found that elusive page capture and saved it to my magical hard disc collection thingy. It's yours for the asking. Just tell me where to send it.

Why, oh, why did that great marital artist Christopher Lee have to die tragically, and mysteriously, in the 1970's, instead of Mr. I'mgonnaopenaroundhousecan'o'whupassonyouboy, Chuck Norris?

Posted by: democommie | August 14, 2007 8:57 AM

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