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Theocratic Quote of the Day

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Posted on: April 17, 2008 9:30 AM, by Ed Brayton

So let us be blunt about it: we must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Bible-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God.

Gary North, "The Intellectual Schizophrenia of the New Christian Right" in Christianity and Civilization: The Failure of the American Baptist Culture, No. 1 (Spring, 1982), p. 25.

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No no. The religious right is all for freedom of religion. That must be some Islamo-Fascist quote you've manipulated.

Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | April 17, 2008 10:24 AM

You probably know that North predicted a Y2K apocalypse. Here's a story about the Day After:

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2000/01/33445

There's always hope the Unix Time Bug will lead to the second advent.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_2038_problem

Posted by: heddle | April 17, 2008 11:59 AM

So let us be blunt about it: we must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Muslim schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy in constructing a Koran-based social, political and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of Allah.

I wonder how much outrage that would have caused.

Posted by: Skwee | April 17, 2008 3:36 PM

Have these idiots actually read the Constitution? Or the Bill of Rights? Or the Treaty of Tripoli?

Posted by: anevilmeme | April 17, 2008 3:59 PM

anevilmeme wrote- "Have these idiots actually read the Constitution? Or the Bill of Rights? Or the Treaty of Tripoli?"

Yes and they really don't care. It's time we stop being surprised. Have you read the Wedge document?

Posted by: Rick R | April 17, 2008 5:02 PM

Everyone supports freedom of their religion.

Posted by: Suricou Raven | April 17, 2008 6:32 PM

If only the media would call these people the correct terms. Un-American. Freedom-haters. Traitors.

Posted by: Samantha Vimes | April 17, 2008 9:37 PM

I'm not familiar with North. Is he treated as a mainstream figure in the Religious Right, or is he more of a let's-distance-ourselves-from-this-guy Fred Phelps type?

Posted by: daniel rotter | April 17, 2008 10:02 PM


The problem is that conservatives (especially religious ones) tend to demand conformity rather than accepting pluralism. Their disapproval of reproductive freedom means that abortion must be outlawed; their fear of diversity means that other races and religions must be demonized; their hatred of LGBT relations means that same-sex marriages must be unrecognized. The liberal viewpoints on these issues, on the other hand, do not demand that any woman aborts her fetus, that any Christian prays to Allah, or that any straight men marry each other.

Posted by: cognitive dissident | April 17, 2008 10:05 PM

"Everyone supports freedom of their religion."

And the problem is when someone's religion includes the duty to convert others to it.

Posted by: BaldApe | April 18, 2008 8:44 AM

Well of course they're against pluralism. They can't fathom it due largely to their perversion of the Golden Rule. Theirs is selfish and disrespectful. Do unto others what you would have them do unto you sounds nice, unless others don't appreciate what you like. They don't account for that. There's nothing in their belief system that addresses UNDERSTANDING other's views, only treating them the way YOU'D like and convert them at all costs.

Posted by: PhillyChief | April 29, 2008 12:16 AM

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