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Bush 41 Pimps for Moon Again

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Posted on: May 7, 2008 9:16 AM, by Ed Brayton

And did you see one article anywhere in the mainstream media about it? I've not seen one that even mentions that on May 2nd, the former president and father of the current president, George HW Bush, was paid by the world's most prominent fascist cult leader to give yet another speech on his behalf, with Moon on the same stage. And it happened right in Washington DC, where the media has no excuse for not knowing about it. Zero mention in the media. And once again, the ex-president gives specific praise to this lunatic:

"However, too many citizens these days are becoming disengaged at a time when we need more involvement, more debate, and more foreign exchanges," he said. "That's why the work of the Universal Peace Federation and The Washington Times is so important, and I thank Rev. Moon and salute all of you for coming here to address these urgent issues."

There are many more details at Talk2Action, including this snippet from Rev. Moon's address to the group:

"We are entering into a new and hopeful time," said Rev. Moon in his remarks, "And all of us are being called - whether we know it or not - to bring our best efforts to bear on creating a new culture of peace, centered on the ideal of one family under God."

The phrase "One family under God" is the motto of the Universal Peace Federation, one of Moon's primary front groups, but it's not nearly as innocuous as it sounds. Remember that Moon is referred to as the True Father in that family and that he claims to be the Messiah sent to finish the mission that Jesus failed at.

The media silence on this is absolutely staggering to me. While the cable news shows and blogs obsess over Rev. Wright, not a single major media outlet covers this story about an American president in a decades-long relationship with a man who has spoken openly of taking over the United States and establishing a one-world theocracy under his rule. Absolutely mind-boggling.

Comments

"Not-See" Media.
Say it out loud. Is that a senseless game of phonetics or frighteningly meaningful?

Posted by: Rod | May 7, 2008 9:34 AM

Does anyone have a direct line to Keith Olbermann? This seems like the sort of thing that he would just chew up.

Posted by: satcomguy | May 7, 2008 9:45 AM

Dammit! Being the optimist that I am, I saw that headline and thought he was maybe talking about giving NASA more money to return to the moon.

Alas...

Posted by: Robert | May 7, 2008 10:14 AM

This is another part of the present that seems surreal to me. When I was in college, the Moonies were regarded as a cult. Thirty years later, they are firmly ensconced with the political right. Go figure.

Posted by: Russell | May 7, 2008 10:32 AM

Thirty years later, they are firmly ensconced with the political right. Go figure.

That's what hundreds of millions of dollars will do for you. It buys friends and influence. Throw in a little "family values" into the mix to soothe any worries over cultist overtones and there you have it.

It's just as bad that people like John Hagee and Rod Parsley have somehow managed to rise to the top of the religious fundamentalist pastor brigade. When I watched them a decade ago as a new resident of this country, I thought they were a joke.

Posted by: tacitus | May 7, 2008 11:02 AM

Just as the left seems obsessed with intellectual alarmism, the right seems to embrace anything that stirs the god thingee in them...I suspect the two regions are close together in the brain structure and therfore they create a perfectly contrasting mirror image of each other.
One side's all regligous about global everything and the other is concerned and even analytic about heavenly everything.
As usual, we're enslaved by our attachments to brain comfort. We all could use a good reboot. I'm sure Albert Hoffman would have agreed.

Posted by: doug l | May 7, 2008 11:07 AM

"While the cable news shows and blogs obsess over Rev. Wright, not a single major media outlet covers this story about an American president in a decades-long relationship with a man who has spoken openly of taking over the United States and establishing a one-world theocracy under his rule. "

Moon is not black. Bush is not a Democrat. It's pretty simple, really.

Posted by: Ginger Yellow | May 7, 2008 12:02 PM

Just as the left seems obsessed with intellectual alarmism, the right seems to embrace anything that stirs the god thingee in them...I suspect the two regions are close together in the brain structure and therfore they create a perfectly contrasting mirror image of each other. One side's all regligous about global everything and the other is concerned and even analytic about heavenly everything. As usual, we're enslaved by our attachments to brain comfort. We all could use a good reboot. I'm sure Albert Hoffman would have agreed.

Posted by: doug l | May 7, 2008 11:07 AM

I'll take "Armchair neurology as global warming denialism" for $500, Alex.

Posted by: Wes | May 7, 2008 12:39 PM

We are in the Matrix and need to wake up. Amazing that this stuff is not covered. Moon is truly a bad man. A rich one oo. This may be reason that he gets a free pass. Doe anyone care the the people in the highest postitions of government consort with cult leaders? We are appalled by the thing with the Mormon cult(and should be) but let all this other stuff go.

Posted by: King of Ireland | May 7, 2008 12:51 PM

After watching that suppressed British documentary about the Nebraska/D.C child-prostitution ring, I've always figured that Moon had the goods on old man Bush and kept him on a muzzled leash.

There just isn't any other way that any of this would make sense.

Posted by: little peanut | May 7, 2008 12:52 PM

Uh, little peanut, would you care to elaborate?

Posted by: James Hanley | May 7, 2008 1:50 PM

Yes, Mr. Hanley. It was produced in England for broadcast on the Discovery Channel on May 3rd, 1994. It was also listed in the TV Guide for that week. Supposedly, all the master copies were destroyed and what remains of that master is what's shown here. Notice, too, the shot of the Washington Times front page at the beginning. Moon came out with the story about "midnight tours" of the White House given to teenage-boy prostitutes. Nothing was ever mentioned about it again.

Go here and see for yourself. Make up your own mind.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=866739408240639313

Posted by: little peanut | May 7, 2008 6:38 PM

While I agree in general with you about the apparently ridiculous decision trees used to determine "do we cover this/do we not" in the MSM, I have to say that there is somewhat of a gray area here. Think about what happened when the MSM started reporting on the idiots claiming Obama was a secret Muslim. A good number of the people in the US interpreted that as "I saw on the news that Obama is a Muslim!". If the MSM did offer widespread coverage of this, what would it do? Yes, it would show that GHWB was being paid to speak for a known nutjob. But it would also provide more free attention for said nutjob. I realize that ignoring crazy things (or people) doesn't make them go away, but I also hate the idea of Moon getting a bigger spotlight.

I'm not arguing for or against what happened here (in terms of media silence) I'm just saying it's not completely black and white. Curious to see what everyone else thinks.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 9:49 PM

p.s. -- King of Ireland -- that "Mormon cult" you referred to is not a recognized affiliate of the Mormon church (another thing bugging me about the MSM, as they keep referring to the cult as an "offshoot" or whatever of the Mormon church). That's true only in the loosest possible sense; the mainstream Mormon church thinks it's absolutely disgusting and does not recognize the cult as part of the church in any way. Every Mormon I know is just as appalled as you are at what happened.

Posted by: M | May 7, 2008 9:53 PM

For a good look at moon check out this vid:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kScJB63PBOI

I'll never eat sushi again. Moon controls a huge amount of it.

Posted by: Bacopa | May 8, 2008 1:41 AM

M,

No bashing of Mormon's intended. I have known many and none would do anything like this. It is definitely a fringe movement. My point was that the media covers one cult and just gives the other a pass. Moon is whacked to the core. No one should assoicate with him at all as far a government officials. Wright said some things that possibly he should not have(though most of it is true) and they are all over him. All whacko religious views pale in comparision to a man who says he is our Father. Something is really off there.

Posted by: King of Ireland | May 8, 2008 5:59 PM

Here is my file on Moon- Sorry . It is a bit long

The Unification Church: Major Financial Supporter of the Christian Right
The Unification Church has spent great sums supporting conservative causes. Since the 1970s, Unification Church founder Rev. Sun Myung Moon has been involved in right-wing politics in the United States. He has been critical of democracy and calls America "Satan's Harvest." Moon's name first became associated with American politics when he was accused of funneling South Korean money to 115 members of Congress in a scandal called "Koreagate." A House committee found he was spreading around KCIA money among members of Congress in order to influence U.S. policy. Even Reverend Moon has admitted to declining church membership, but he still has somehow found billions to invest in various ventures, many of them political in nature. Other funds were used to win allies in the American Religious Right. It is known that the KCIA has close ties with him and that much of his money comes from Japanese yakuza gangsters Ryoichi Sasakawa and Yoshio Kodama and from various operations in Latin America. Some have suggested his organization could be involved in drug running and money laundering

Ironically, Reverend Moon was also tied to the South Korean dissident Kim Dae Jung who had long battled authoritarian regimes and had even spent time in prison for his political views. Despite Moon's problems with South Korea's autocratic rulers, he had ties to the Korean equivalent of the CIA, which helped the Unification Church expand elsewhere in Asia. According to the Ripon Society, a moderate Republican organization, the Unification Church gave money to the College Young Republicans in 1981 and provided cheap labor for Accuracy in Media in 1983. In 1983, Grover Norquist, then head of the College Republican National Committee, interrupted Ripon Chairman, Rep. Jim Leach at a press conference, claiming Leach was a liar in asserting that Moon money had reached the College Republicans. In the Reagan-Bush years, Moon poured money into his Washington Times , founded in 1982, and conservative causes. Reagan called the Times his favorite paper. Moon hired conservative fund-raiser Richard Viguerie to run a slick campaign to attract subscribers. Moon solidified his ties with Viguerie by having one of his subsidiary corporations purchase a Viguerie property for $10 million. Despite these efforts, it was necessary for Moon to subsidize the paper with tens of millions of dollars in the eighties. It was a fierce defender of the Reagan administration during the Iran-Contra controversy, Moon's American Freedom Coalition ran a video in praise of Oliver North 600 times on 100 TV stations during the Iran-Contra Controversy.

The Times, in 1988, circulated rumors about Michael Dukakis's mental health. Reverend Moon's lieutenants bragged that their operatives circulated 30,000,000 pro-Bush pamphlets in that year. In 1992, it suggested that Bill Clinton betrayed his country while visiting Moscow, implying the KGB had recruited him. President George W. Bush invited its editor to the White House to praise him for his contribution the conservative cause. Moon's Women's Federation for World Peace was later to pay George H. W. Bush large fees for speeches. Moon has also acquired United Press International. The paper lost huge amounts of money in the 1980s, sometimes as much as $50 million a year By 2004, Moon's Unification Church poured $1 billion into the paper to cover its losses. George W. Bush appointed David Caprara, head of Moon's American Family Coalition, to be director of Volunteers in Service to America.

Moon claimed that God has designated him as the second messiah, to complete the work of Jesus Christ who failed because he did not marry and have children. Though claiming to be a Christian, Moon believes Christ was not divine. In 1984, Moon began to serve thirteen months in a federal prison for a 1982 mail fraud conviction. After his release, his former daughter-in-law charged that the organization was still playing fast and loose with the law, moving cash across the borders. Though a known womanizer and despite theological views that were clearly heretical to conservative American Christians, Moon developed close ties with some Protestant fundamentalists. In 1995, a Moon front called the Christian Heritage Foundation, bailed out Jerry Falwell's Liberty University by purchasing half of its $73 million debt for $3.5 million. In 1996, a Moon organization made a $400,000 unsecured loan to Liberty. In return for financial assistance, Falwell, who may have received as much as $76 million in assistance from Moon, appeared at Moon functions. In 1998, Elliot Abrams, an official in the administrations of both Bushs, gave spoke at three Moon rallies

Reverend Moon's high status in Republican circles was signaled 2001 when President George W. Bush permitted onetime aid Doug Wead to arrange an Inaugural Prayer Luncheon sponsored by Moon. In 2005, his Unification Church contributed $250,000 to George H.W. Bush's second inauguration. At Moon's 1996 Family Federation for World Peace event, evangelists Robert H. Schuller, Beverley LaHaye appeared, as did right-wing strategist Ralph Reed and conservative politician Gary Bauer. Reed insisted that Moon's followers were counter revolutionaries, simply intent on resisting liberal culture and values.

Direct Mail Communications, a firm owned by two Moon operatives, built a mailing list for Colonel North and worked for the National Rifle Association. It has also worked for the Republican National Committee and George W. Bush. The firm has done solicitations at less than cost for Falwell's Old Time Gospel Hour, Liberty Alliance, and Liberty University. On July 26, 1994, Falwell was on hand when Moon created his Youth Federation for World Peace. Maureen Reagan was photographed at Falwell's side. In 2002, Moon hosted a gala anniversary party for his self-proclaimed "unbiased" outlet. Conservative therapist Dr. Laura Schlesinger addressed the crowd and Moon treated them to an hour-long sermon

There can be little doubt that Reverend Moon has made a substantial contribution to the success of the Republican Party. His growing influence within the New Right is of interest in part because he has expressed disapproval of American institutions and democracy. Speaking of himself, he once said: "That is Father's tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population." There is almost no possibility he can accomplish this goal. He attracted some conservative American converts with his fierce anti-Communism during the Cold War, but he no longer has that tool at his disposal.

Posted by: ShermanDeBrosse | May 8, 2008 7:37 PM

Key questions: How old is Moon? Who is in line to take over the Moonie cult after he drops dead? And what is likely to happen to his financial empire after he drops dead?

I suspect the Moonies & their empire may go into decline after that point, or become more or less harmless, due to the dilution of power passing from him to multiple inheritors of his "legacy." Someone needs to be researching this in detail and planning for the eventualities.

Also this is not to suggest complacency; someone needs to do a major documentary to expose the cult, the man, and his connections with politicians and other powerful figures. Interviews with parents whose teenagers were sucked into the cult and vanished, would be helpful there. Ideal case is to disgrace him sufficiently that when he does drop dead, his cult & empire are in sufficient disarray that they dissolve. Better yet if he were to drop dead while in the naked embrace of a girl young enough to be his grand daughter.

Re. the Google video link: all I get is a blank page with the title on it (browser: Safari, MacOSX). Any more accessible copies arond?

Posted by: g347 | May 9, 2008 5:45 AM

Google "Conspiracy Of Silence", g347.

Sorry about the link; it worked for me.

Posted by: little peanut | May 9, 2008 8:07 AM

>blockquote>Sherman: "That is Father's tactic, the natural subjugation of the American government and population." There is almost no possibility he can accomplish this goal. -

It continues to amaze me how naive and frankly blind to how Moon operates people continue to be. He is right in front of everyone and they can't see him even when they write about him.

Moon has ALREADY done this to America.

Did he do it alone? No, but he has been the backbone to the new right for 25 years. People all the time ask, "What happened to the Republican Party? Why are today's conservatives so out of touch with reality?"

Moon happened to them. He outspent anyone bringing them to power and molding their ideology. From that day during the 1980 campaign that Ronald Reagan told Bo Hi Pak that he needed Rev. Moon's prayers and support, opening the door to the right to Moon, the nation has been going into the tank and Moon's hand was in most all of it.

Who is it that funded people like the theocrats Falwell, LaHaye? Laugh if you will at Lahaye but even Weyrich says Lahaye was the key player in the development of the right into what we see today in such a quick timeframe. Who is it that kept their direct mail guru and another major player in this fiasco, Viguerie, funded when he was in trouble?

Every step of the way Moon held the right's hands and when the key players of their extreme wings fell, Moon picked them up, dusted them off, gave them a pocketful of cash, a pat on the butt, and sent them off to mold the nation for his right wing theocratic ideology.

Who was it that created the American Freedom Coalition which according to its president, Robert Grant (who Moon called one of his "three musketeers"), was created to gather the Christian "right" for political power?

William Cheshire one of the many who have quit the Washington Times because it was a Moon controlled paper, said this about the AFC in 1991

"...[Moon] is backing the American Freedom Coalition this strange mixture of moonies and fundamentalist Christians, who hope to organize at the grass roots and skew the American political system to the far right."

Hope to? Do you remember our nation 30 years ago? Look around you now.
You can watch Cheshire's and two other former Moon editors' talks
here.
I suggest you take the time to watch it; they will educate you as to how many things work in Moonieworld.

The AFC had 300,000 on its mailing list and according to Doug Wead was one of the two most powerful grassroots organizations in the country when it was filling the gap in the late 80s early 90s - a very key time for today's' right - between the demise of the Moral Majority and the creation of the Christian Coalition. Just as a side note, you do know that the man who suggested starting the CC to Robertson was his long time friend Billy McCormack who has been very close to the Moon organization from before the CC started. McCormack helped give Moon an award for his "family values" at the luncheon celebrating Bush's rise to power. Something which would never have happened absent Moon's billions spent over the last 30 years in America skewing our system. Grant thanked Moon for his cash and "leadership."

The right in America has many sources feeding it misinformation today, but in the 80s and 90s it was the WT that provided the backbone to the right's propaganda. Do you think Rush has been quoting the National Review all these years? hah

US News in 1989 reported that virtually every conservative organization DC had ties to Moon, including the Heritage Foundation. If you know anything about Moon and his followers and operatives, you know how huge this is. Moon IS successfully manipulating the UN now after years of opposing it and training the right to do so also. Nile Gardiner a fellow at the Heritage Foundation and big war pimp was outed as a Moon follower in Gorenfeld's book. Before anyone starts, this has nothing to with freedom of religion, Moon's is a political organization. He himself said the Unification Church was not a church.

The right still uses what Gary Jarmin, long time Moon operative, taught them about organizing. He pioneered the "voter scorecard" that the right uses to give their followers voting instructions. Moon printed 30 million of them for Bush in 1988 at no cost to Bush. Yes, Christian churches all over the country were handing out Moon "scorecards" and they laugh when Moon says he is "restoring" Christianity as one of his "messiah" chores. He means restore politically, Moon is not a religion, his is a right wing fascist ideological movement.

Who funded Terry Dolan, the father of the attack ad? Moon.

Fact is, today's right would not be as homophobic, as authoritarian, as union hating, as theocratic, as anti-science, as cult like in their ability to ignore lawbreaking, as "do as you are told" accepting of Republicans crapping on the constitution nor as Ed says, as fascist, absent Moon billions, yes BILLIONS in overseas money, and "leadership."

Why do you think Moon calls it "natural" subjugation? Do you think conservatives know who has been the father of their movement? Who outspent anyone molding it? No one in America sees this. Gingrich revolution? Bullshit, it was Moon's revolution; he paid for and guided it. We are going willingly to a more right wing governance, where the theocrats have an inordinate amount of influence and even people who write about it can't see it or don't want to admit what is right before their eyes.

Moon had a fork in our political system by the early 90s and he knew it. We're not coming out of this death spiral.

Look, I could go on but don't have much time. But I think it really shows just how effective Moon has been that he can plop billions down on a propaganda outlet in DC and no sees his hand or certainly don't understand his tactics or goals. The WT lies and says it is independent of Moon - which is not true but that is not the point - it is the paper itself that brings Moon what he wants, a right wing America, fertile political ground for the theocrats and extremists. He hires the people he wants and they do it for him. You don't have to tell someone like Pruden how to mold the right for you. The WT goes around bragging that the paper has "made it!" Well, any jackass could keep a paper open with 3 billion in overseas cash.

I really am amazed at how blind people are to this. You know how everyone laughed when Moon said his enemies, the American government and people, would bow to him? WTF do people think happened when he was crowned in the Dirksen building, or were those not representatives of our people and government bowing to him?

You say, "But he conned them, they did not know what they were doing? They said they were duped!" That is how the whole GD thing works.

There is so much, much more...and I haven't even touched on how all this brings him face around the world which is his real target and he is pulling that off now. The trap has been sprung but you do not see it, do you?

Let me give you a tip, when he says "bow," he does not mean YOU personally, physically. He doesn't give a rat's rear if you know he is alive. How much have you had to do with these extremists that are now on the Supreme Court, who will ultimately take us down the rest of the way? Do you think someone like Bush would have even been nominated for president absent Moon's billions? I don't mean Moon selected Bush; don't go there that is not how it works.

You and I have nothing to do with this and we won't - it is much too late.

Moon is taking the world from the top down; he doesn't give shit about you or me. Seriously, how much say have you had in what has happened to your country the last 8 years? How far has he been embedded? Gorenfeld reported on the Jarmin memo form the WP in which Jarmin said they had to smudge a couple democrats so they and others in the democratic party would not fight them even though Moon stands for everything liberals oppose. That has worked. You have democrats sending him greetings. Hillary Clinton sent a letter of support to the UPF. She sent a letter of support to Moon's effort to subdue the planet. Governors like Vilsak and Corzine have done the same. Do they fully understand what they did? No, but they do not want to, believe me I have tried to tell them.

Here is a quote from the same panel as the earlier mentioned Cheshire quote. This is from James Whelan the first editor of the WT. It does not get anymore accurate than this.

http://tinyurl.com/yqqbmz

"They (the Moonies) are subverting our political system. They're doing it through front organizations--most of them disguised--and through their funding of independent organizations--through the placement of volunteers in the inner sanctums of hard-pressed organizations. In every instance--in every instance--those who attend their conferences, those who accept their money or their volunteers, delude themselves that there is no loss of virtue because the Moonies have not proselytized. That misses the central, crucial point: the Moonies are a political movement in religious clothing. Moon seeks power, not the salvation of souls. To achieve that, he needs religious fanatics as his palace guard and shock troops. But more importantly, he needs secular conscripts--seduced by money, free trips, free services, seemingly endless bounty and booty--in order to give him respectability and, with it, that image of influence which translates as power."

No communism hook? hah He has already moved onto another hook, "world" peace. They are now meeting with the mega church leaders, gathering them into the web, folks like Osteen, Schuler and Rick Warren.

Moon is not going to be stopped and as far as him subjugating our nation, that has ALREADY occurred to a great degree. Today's right has been molded into his image and they dragging us all along.

Posted by: Wake Up | May 9, 2008 1:52 PM

Key questions: How old is Moon? Who is in line to take over the Moonie cult after he drops dead? And what is likely to happen to his financial empire after he drops dead?

Moon just named his youngest son, Hyung Jin, to run the church and hand out the "blessing." He is soft spoken and studied Buddhism, met the Dalai Llama recently. When you see him on Larry King in years to come you'd never know the organization was created by swindlers and conmen. He will say "Oh, we made some mistakes but we want world peace, don't you want peace? Besides Catholics diddled little boys so how could we be so bad?"

Moon's son, Hyun Jin, (without the "g") will be the force behind the world side political machine the Universal Peace Federation.

Both of these sons are highly educated and groomed for their roles.

If you think this is going to slow down after Moon dies you are very, very wrong. The organization will become much stronger; they won't have Moon's baggage to carry. Did you read Ed's T2A link?

Posted by: Wake Up | May 9, 2008 9:53 PM

I was a member of Moon's Unification Church for 10 years, from 1976 to 1986. I know that Unificationists are adept at speaking words and uttering phrases that have dual meanings, one for the consumption of the general public and the other for the gratification of Unification insiders. When they talk about world peace and "one family centered upon God", the ideals that Bush 41 cited, they do not actually mean any ordinary family offering prayers to God and living a Godly life. They mean -- at least for internal consumption -- Sun Myung Moon and his wife and children ruling a world in absolute obedience to the will of Sun Myung Moon and his wife and children. This is the kind of world peace that Unificationists are advocating. Now, I suppose you could take the point of view that if it worked, and everybody lived in peace by following Moon, what's so bad about that? It would be better than always fighting. But the problem is that Moon is an extremist whose cultural and ethical views would never gain wide acceptance except by force. Moon believes that Korea is the ideal culture and that all the world should adopt Korean values and culture and even the Korean language. In order for Moon's idea of world peace to actually come into existence, all the world would have to admit that Moon is the most wise man who ever lived and Korea is the wisest culture that ever existed. Since nobody outside Korea would ever adopt that view (and even Koreans would have trouble accepting the concept that Moon is wise), the only way this so-called "peace" could be imposed is by force of arms. And Moon would be perfectly delighted by that outcome if it happened.

George H.W. Bush, on the other hand, is merely playing with words when he talks of peace in a speech to aid a Moon organization because he has a facile and unsubtle intellect, and as long as things sound vaguely like what he supports, he can't be bothered to inquire deeply as to whether they actually mean what he wants them to mean. He conveniently overlooks the double meaning that he probably guesses Unificationists intend when they talk of world peace because he is receiving a handsome paycheck for giving speeches such as this one. It is questionable whether the present President Bush also endorses Moon, but he must certainly be at least sympathetic, and must also be willing to overlook the difference between the public meaning and the private meaning of Moon's campaign for world peace.

Posted by: Kenneth Gordon Neufeld | May 11, 2008 1:51 AM

Thank you, Mr. Nuefeld for your comments. I have read them elsewhere and they are always informed and wise. I do have a rather important quibble with how this is working out.

But the problem is that Moon is an extremist whose cultural and ethical views would never gain wide acceptance except by force.

I don't think Moon cares about all that stuff like everyone speaking Korean immediately - he sets goals - he sees that as a far off goal but the problem is he can take the world a long way, a long way off course before the world ever notices some of those things are in the Moon hopper. In fact, he has already done much damage and his influence is now growing around the world NOT slowing.

He did not use a gun to move our nation's political system far right. I would argue his cash, fronts and operatives were the backbone of the new right in America. I think the facts back that up easily. The Washington Times has been the flagship of extreme right politics in the USA since its inception. Today the right has more media outlets than they did when the WT took root. Today, half the nation would not call the right's Moon molded agenda extreme which is reflective of how successful his operation has been. I would argue that 30 years ago someone like Bush 43 would have never been nominated for president let alone have been given the keys to the WH. Moon was there holding the hard right's hand and giving them cash the whole way. We all know that the religious have gained an inordinate amount of influence over our government today, that is definitely Moon's agenda and he pushed that. He intends to absorb the religious so he simply wants them influential in all governments around the world. Such is the way of "natural subjugation."

Read my post above for just some of what I am saying. He did not use a gun to gather 250,000 for a "peace" festival in the Philippines last year or to get MLK III to speak for him under this banner "One family under God." He did not use a gun to get 41 to support the UPF which is the culmination of his grand plan, his political machine. He did not use a gun to get to the point where Kwak reported to Moon that in Vanuatu they had so many chiefs and politicians who they've gotten to take DP instruction, that "even if some Christian ministers wanted to oppose us, they can't do it."

I agree that Moon would not mind if the Kingdom of Moon had to come by gunpoint even if he says he doesn't. I don't doubt that it would be OK with him that half the world died just to set up him up to gain more control. He is the compete megalomaniac.

But he does not need that. He skewed our political system with very, very few members here in the USA. Now he has this network or personal diplomatic corpse, the Ambassadors for Peace, made up of religious and political leaders all over the world. Like all his fronts, he will select the most loyal to his ideology to be in charge.

What I am saying is that I do not think Moon expects us all to bow to his family's throne immediately and no, people will not willingly jump to that anytime soon. But I also know he is in it for the long haul and does not care what you or I think. We are small fries. He is working on the big picture.

Most people who are helping him do not understand Moon's agenda, they don't have to for it to work, imo. According to Jenkins, the ministers in the ACLC actually did not know Moon saw himself as THE Messiah until he printed the Clouds in the WT and papers around the country in 2002. They actually did not know Moon believed he was THE Messiah until he printed it in the paper for them to read. By then many of them were convinced he was OK and accepted this. They marched in NY in support of Moon's plans to theocratize the United Nations, back the UPF and provide the support for Milingo.

I don't think Moon does things until he feels the time is right. When he dies it will be worse. Hyung Jin will not be seen by the world like some see Moon. Hyun Jin is meeting with mega church ministers now and they are falling for the "you don't have to join the UC to work with us" BS.

As you know, all Moon and his organization do is work to gain control of the direction of world events, that is ALL they do.

Ban Ki-Moon is playing ball his NGOs - he has no other choice. He sent a greeting to the WT 25th gala. The WT has been as anti UN as any publication over the years.

I am saying I agree with most of what you say but I think you must keep in mind where we were before he started and realize this is just getting going. IMO, Moon's organization is not what it was even 5 years ago. The goals are the same but they have "new and improved" techniques which are working.

Brent Scowcroft was there helping Moon. No, he may not see it that way, but that is the fruit of his actions. The point is, people do not have to see Moon's agenda to help him as has been proven many times.

Posted by: Wake Up | May 11, 2008 3:55 PM

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