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False Accusations of Hypocrisy

Posted on: August 22, 2008 9:02 AM, by Ed Brayton

Jimgodblog has a post falsely accusing Obama of hypocrisy for calling Clarence Thomas inexperienced when he himself isn't terribly experienced:

So in the "Saddleback Debate", where both Obama and McCain took questions from Pastor Rick Warren, Obama went on record as naming Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas as someone he would not nominate as justice. Why? He was too young, too inexperienced, not prepared.

He then lists Thomas' qualifications for office:

Clarence Thomas was 43 years old when he was nominted by the elder George Bush. But he had plenty of legitimate expereince. He had been Assistant Attorney General of Missouri, Assistant Secretary of Education for the Office of Civil Rights in the U.S. Department of Education, Chairman of the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, and served on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. In other words, yes, Thomas was young, but qualified to be a Supreme Court Justice.

There's just one problem with this argument: Obama didn't say anything at all about Thomas' experience. Here's the full text of what he said about why he would not nominate Clarence Thomas:

I WOULD NOT HAVE NOMINATED CLARENCE THOMAS. I DON'T THINK THAT HE. I DON'T THINK THAT HE WAS A STRONG ENOUGH JURIST OR LEGAL THINKER AT THE TIME FOR THAT ELEVATION. SETTING ASIDE THE FACT THAT I PROFOUNDLY DISAGREE WITH HIS INTERPRETATION OF A LOT OF THE CONSTITUTION.

Not a word about experience. The only thing he talks about is him not being a strong enough legal thinker and disagreeing with his interpretations of the constitution.

I thought Obama's answer was interesting, perhaps mostly because of my own complicated views on Clarence Thomas. At the time he was nominated I did not think he was the most qualified man for the job; I don't even think he was the most qualified black conservative for the job. I still think that. And I disagree with most, but certainly not all, of his jurisprudence.

On the other hand, as I've stated many times, I think most of the attacks on Thomas from the left run the gamut from ridiculous to downright idiotic. The three in particular that really bug the shit out of me:

1. The repeated claim, very popular on the left, that Thomas is stupid. Absolute nonsense. This is the kind of simplistic bullshit repeated only by those who A) have never bothered to read anything he's written, or B) are so extreme in their hatred of those they disagree with that they confuse being wrong with being stupid. Clarence Thomas is a very, very intelligent man. He's also a very clear thinker and writer, even when his conclusions are utterly false.

2. The repeated claim, also very popular on the left, that Thomas is "Scalia's lapdog" who just votes whichever way Scalia does. Again, this is a highly popular myth among those who don't bother to actually read the rulings of these two men. While they agree most of the time (duh - what two conservatives or two liberals won't agree most of the time?), there are some profound disagreements between Scalia and Thomas. They disagree, for example, on the question of whether the Declaration of Independence should be a guide to constitutional interpretation.

Thomas is far more consistent than Scalia is, far more willing to apply his interpretive theory consistently even if he doesn't like the result. A perfect example is Raich, the medical marijuana case, where Scalia completely abandoned his alleged originalism and voted to give a federal law precedence over state law in a situation where the interstate commerce clause clearly did not apply (and where the founding fathers, perhaps without exception, would have been appalled at the notion that it did). Thomas not only didn't abandon his legal theory to reach a desired result, he criticized Scalia for doing so. Lapdog indeed.

There have also been instances where Scalia has had his mind changed by Thomas. In one case, and I forget which one now but it was fairly early on in Thomas' tenure on the court, the original vote at the conference was 8-1, with Thomas being the lone dissenter. But when the first drafts of the written opinions were circulated, Thomas' dissent changed Scalia's mind and he joined him in dissent in the case. Perhaps that makes Scalia into Thomas' lapdog?

3. This remarkably silly uproar over the fact that Thomas rarely asks questions during oral argument. This one just baffles me, and again I think it's popular primarily among those who don't understand how the court works. By the time oral argument takes place, the justices have already read the entire trial transcript from both the district and appeals courts as well as every brief filed by both sides and whatever amicus briefs were filed by other organizations. Advocates have all of half an hour for oral argument. Some of the justices, Scalia and Breyer in particular, love to interrupt the attorneys and pepper them with questions and even sarcastic comments at times. Thomas prefers to let the advocates have their say and only interrupt them if there's a question whose answer might really affect his view of the case - and those are going to be very rare.

There are plenty of legitimate bases for criticizing Clarence Thomas and I've offered many of them on this blog over the years. I think he's wrong most of the time and I've often spelled out why I think he's wrong on various issues (especially his views on the first amendment). But the arguments listed above are nonsense and they should be abandoned immediately.

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Why am I not surprised that the 'right' would misquote a political figure for their own ends?

My wife asked me recently why I am more in favor of Obama than McCain. I told her, snarkily, that I decided years ago to listen to Rush, Sean, Savage, and Boortz, figure out which side of a particular position they favor, and support the opposite - out of principle.

I also told her that while I am not entusiastic about Obama, he is, by my calculations, 47.125 times superior to the alternative.

Posted by: Blaidd Drwg | August 22, 2008 9:37 AM

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"Why am I not surprised that the 'right' would misquote a political figure for their own ends?"

Very funny. You really believe all politicians don't do this? Really? No, really? ... Please put that funning smelling cigarette down and get some air.

Posted by: Dude | August 22, 2008 10:36 AM

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It's getting harder and harder to misquote/quote mine politicians these days, with the prevelance of Youtube, and cell phones.

Obama doesn't have to misquote McCain, he just needs to quote directly, to show how insane and out of touch the guy is.

Posted by: Blaidd Drwg | August 22, 2008 10:47 AM

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Very funny. You really believe all politicians don't do this? Really? No, really? ... Please put that funning smelling cigarette down and get some air.

Typical counterargument. Can't defend the instance, so deflect.

Posted by: gwangung | August 22, 2008 11:39 AM

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Here's the full text of what he said about why he would not nominate Clarence Thomas:

I would not describe that transcript as accurate. If you watch the video, he said that Thomas wasn't "an ex-" and caught himself. It's certainly possible he was going to use another word starting with "ex-", but I'm having trouble thinking of one. This is not to say that it's accurate to say "Obama described Thomas as not experienced enough", but I wouldn't consider it made up out of whole cloth.

Posted by: Citizen Z | August 22, 2008 11:56 AM

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Thomas wasn't "an ex-POW" so McCain would have trouble nominating him as well.

Posted by: rpenner | August 22, 2008 12:19 PM

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Here I'm going to have to defend Dude. Both sides engage in distorting what the other side has said for political effect. That is, in fact, one of the most commonly used tactics in political campaigns. That's one reason why factcheck.org keeps busy.

Posted by: Ed Brayton | August 22, 2008 12:22 PM

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CZ I would describe that transcript as accurate. "ex-", sadly, is not a word. If Obama thought it, well, put the CIA on him; you can't damn a man for an incomplete utterance, especially when you are the one that completes it. Try:

Thomas wasn't an excellent choice, jurist, thinker (or any other noun). No problem here.

And Ed, one more reason to dislike Thomas: he was guilty as charged of sexual harassment by Anita Hill, and comfortably engaged in evasion and dishonesty during his confirmation, happily serving as a culture war symbol for the worst fringes of the far right. At least Bork told it straight. (see Brock's "Blinded by the Right", et al)

ice

Posted by: ice9 | August 22, 2008 1:07 PM

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You should have seen Fox's Megyn Kelly "discuss" this with some anti-Thomas person. She frickin' transformed into Bill O'Reilly demanding to know how Obama could say Thomas isn't qualified. The guest, very typically, was inarticulate and kept trying to explain why she thinks Thomas is a bad justice rather than pointing out the misleading nature of Kelly's recycled Fox News talking point.

Posted by: Hume's Ghost | August 22, 2008 1:29 PM

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There have also been instances where Scalia has had his mind changed by Thomas.

Campaign finance restrictions are another example. Thomas was the first Justice to say that these laws violate individual First Amendment rights and that Buckley v. Valeo should be overturned. Scalia joined him on the next case that came down the pike. And in the Shrink PAC case, Kennedy joined them, provoking Souter to write that the dissenters would like like the Court to overturn Buckley, but we can't, because neither party asked us to do so.

Posted by: Jim Babka | August 22, 2008 3:12 PM

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There have also been instances where Scalia has had his mind changed by Thomas.

Campaign finance restrictions are another example. Thomas was the first Justice to say that these laws violate individual First Amendment rights and that Buckley v. Valeo should be overturned. Scalia joined him on the next case that came down the pike. And in the Shrink PAC case, Kennedy joined them, provoking Souter to write that the dissenters would like the Court to overturn Buckley, but said the Court could not, because neither party asked them to do so.

Posted by: Jim Babka | August 22, 2008 3:13 PM

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Here I'm going to have to defend Dude. Both sides engage in distorting what the other side has said for political effect. That is, in fact, one of the most commonly used tactics in political campaigns. That's one reason why factcheck.org keeps busy.
That's politics, maybe, but it still doesn't excuse the "but he did it, too!" ploy. Just once I'd like to hear something worth listening to ...

Posted by: John H. | August 22, 2008 4:42 PM

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I would not describe that transcript as accurate. If you watch the video, he said that Thomas wasn't "an ex-" and caught himself. It's certainly possible he was going to use another word starting with "ex-", but I'm having trouble thinking of one.

Could be "expert". Same deal. He didn't think Thomas was good enough yet at the time he was nominated. Some people need more experience than others.

Or maybe he didn't think Thomas was "exciting", or "exculpatory". Maybe he wasn't "exactly" right for the job. Who knows.

Posted by: 386sx | August 22, 2008 8:38 PM

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CZ I would describe that transcript as accurate. "ex-", sadly, is not a word.

"I DON'T THINK THAT HE." isn't a sentence either. They should have left that one out too, IMO.

Posted by: 386sx | August 22, 2008 8:51 PM

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Citizen-Z: It could have been "Thomas is not and example of a jurist with whom I agree" or, "Thomas is not an extremely prudent thinker in regards to the constitution, and cautious prudence is, in my mind, the most valuable asset in an interpreter of the law," or, "Thomas is not an exemplary example of judicial integrity." The syllable "ex-" begins many words. Or maybe it was a vocal slip, which would explain why he stopped himself and said something else.

Posted by: Julian | August 22, 2008 9:45 PM

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