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Mike Gene Admits Matzke was Right

Posted on: September 25, 2008 9:09 AM, by Ed Brayton

The bacterial flagellum is such a central argument to the ID movement that during the Dover trial, it resulted in the funniest moment in the trial. After Michael Behe had spend nearly two full days on the witness stand, much of it talking about the flagellum, Scott Minnich took the stand and was going to talk about the same thing. When he put up a slide of the flagellum, Judge Jones said, "We've seen that." Minnich deadpanned, "I kind of feel like Zsa Zsa Gabor's fifth husband. I know what to do, I just don't know how to make it new and exciting for you."

Nick Matzke, who was the single most important person in the trial, responsible for educating the attorneys about science and ID and poking holes in the other side's arguments, had already by that time co-authored an article proposing that the flagellum had evolved from a more primitive and simple cellular apparatus and providing the evidence for that argument that was known to that point. That article was later published in the journal Protein Science.

Since that time, the evidence has grown considerably stronger for the hypothesis that Matzke and Pallen put forward in that article as the various proteins involved have been sequenced and more homologies discovered that indicate precisely how the process of mutation and selection might have led from the Type Three Secretory System (TTSS) to the flagellum. And now Mike Gene has essentially admitted, despite being initially critical of that hypothesis, that it appears to be correct.

But in a far more important and global sense, it does indeed look like Matzke's hypothesis is correct and that the TTSS machinery is homologous to the F-ATPase.

In The Design Matrix, I explore how the concept of IC interfaces with cooption and intelligent design and offer the following as part of my approach:

"Instead, independent evidence is needed to support such a hypothesis of cooption cobbling a machine together. This does not mean we need something that amounts to a proof. Nor does it mean that an exhaustive Darwinian explanation is needed. On the contrary, the evidence we need is extremely modest and lacking in detail......First, if an irreducibly complex machine did evolve into existence through cooption, then the parts must have predated the machine. They must have been doing something else prior to being recruited into the machine. Thus, some evidence of this pre-machine activity is needed. Since we cannot travel back in time, we will have to settle for traditional evidence of common descent. Do the various parts of the machine have homologs that are in turn part of a system that is more ancient than the machine?"

Multiple points of homology between the components of the F-ATPase and flagellum/TTSS would clearly qualify as "various parts of the machine" having "homologs that are in turn part of a system that is more ancient than the machine."

It is refreshing to see this kind of intellectual honesty from Mike Gene.

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Did Mike Gene have something to do with the Dover trial?

Posted by: xebecs | September 25, 2008 11:44 AM

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Since the bacterial flagellum was considered the sine qua non of ID evidence, will Mike Gene have the intellectual honesty to reassess his acceptance of ID as a viable theory?

Posted by: Gingerbaker | September 25, 2008 1:31 PM

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Did Mike Gene have something to do with the Dover trial?

Not to my knowledge. Perhaps behind the scenes? I believe 'Mike Gene' is a pseudonym, so you'd have to know his/her real name to find out. Unless someone else involved acknowledged Gene's assistance.

Posted by: Dave S. | September 25, 2008 5:58 PM

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Who is Mike Gene? In his own words:

"Mike Gene" is the pseudonym I've decided to use when writing about intelligent design. I've used this name, both for my website TeleoLogic and for the blog Telic Thoughts, so it made sense to use it for my book as well.

Why use a pseudonym? I do not make any appeals to personal qualifications, training, or expertise. The reason being is that if I have no qualifications or relevant training, this may cause some to dismiss or overlook a good argument for this reason alone. On the other hand, if I do have qualifications and relevant training, this may cause some to embrace a bad argument for this reason alone. I would rather let the arguments stand on their own.

Do scribbles on the internet even matter? Many people see a writer on the internet as just "a guy sitting in his living room writing in his pajamas," being read only by himself and a few other people on the internet.

Translation: "I dunno what I'm talking about, and I've decided to admit that up front so you'll be more willing to believe me just because I'm sincere. You can trust me because I'm just an ordinary guy like you, not some elite researcher with tons of grant money and a lab that looks it."

Be that as it may be, the writings of this pajama-clad investigator have garnered the attention of Scientific American and Allexperts.Com, along with several university classrooms. And William Dembski, who is one of the leading theorists on intelligent design, writes, "Mike Gene is one of the most insightful individuals in the ID/evolution debate."

Translation: "Somebody you might have heard of has heard of me, and I'm going to milk it for all it's worth even thought it doesn't mean squat."

/snark

Posted by: themadlolscientist, FCD | September 26, 2008 3:02 AM

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http://arstechnica.com/reviews/other/discovery-textbook-review.ars

So, "Explore Evolution" tries to argue that marsupials must have been specially created, and that "the first fossil bat appears suddenly", and other good stuffs like that, huh?

No, ID isn't about fundie creationism at all. No sirree. It's all about the molecules and the math and stuff!! Yeeaahhhh...

Posted by: 386sx | September 26, 2008 6:53 PM

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No, ID isn't about fundie creationism at all. No sirree. It's all about the molecules and the math and stuff!!

Oh yeah, I forgot. If something isn't "poofed", then that means it's "front-loaded". That's pretty much yer ID in a nutshell: "poofing" and "front-loading". That, and "permeating the culture". They like to "permeate the culture" a lot.

Posted by: 386sx | September 26, 2008 7:17 PM

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Mike Gene said: And it becomes more interesting when we realize that the themes of cooption, modularity, and subfunctionalization have apparently played critical roles in the evolution of the bacterial flagellum. This is something to dig into at a later date.

Yeah, I wonder if maybe it was front-loaded! Nahhh of course not.

Posted by: 386sx | September 26, 2008 7:26 PM

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