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The resurrection of Ted Haggard has begun. Sure it took more than three days, but it has now commenced with the public announcement that he's blaming it all on an unspecified sexual incident with an unnamed person when he was 7 and his adoption of the "I'm a much stronger Christian now" position.
Haggard told the congregation that a sexual incident with a man when he was 7 years old may be related to the scandal involving a male prostitute and crystal meth use that cost him his job two years ago."My dad was pretty successful," Haggard said. "He had a lot of workers. One of those workers had a sexual experience with me. I was 7 years old."
Haggard said that incident stayed with him throughout his life.
But he's feeling much better now:
But now, he said, he has been transformed with the help of God and his wife."I'm a stronger Christian than I've ever been in my life. I have a stronger marriage than I've ever had in my life," he said.
Haggard then issued an emotional critique of church leaders for not using his scandal to present Christian love.
"I believe that he [God] gives us opportunities every couple of years to communicate the gospel worldwide through secular media and we consistently blow it," he said. "A congressman in trouble, that's the time. A family member gets himself in horrible trouble, that's the time. A preacher gets himself in awful trouble, that's the time."
Let me translate this from religio-babble to English: "There's so much more money to be scammed made and you should start sending it to me again."
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Would it really kill him to be honest and just say, "Yeah, I'm gay, I was wrong, sorry about that"?
I guess honesty just doesn't pay off.
Posted by: Spook | November 15, 2008 10:05 AM
Beautiful. Really hard when you're on the receiving end of all that Xtian "hate the sin, love the sinner" b.s. ain't it, Teddy Bear?
Posted by: Strider | November 15, 2008 10:32 AM
"we consistently blow it"
That's rather a shaky way for Ted to be phrasing things, innit?
Posted by: Coragyps | November 15, 2008 10:53 AM
The vomit in my mouth tastes bitter.
Posted by: heddle | November 15, 2008 11:14 AM
It is sad to see people compartmentalize their thinking so irrationally.
Haggard will be giving sermons on Christian love and forgiveness, but floating around in his associative cortex will be thoughts of moving to the Castro District of San Francisco and buying some ass-less chaps.
Posted by: carey | November 15, 2008 11:17 AM
It's not impossible, ya know, but one test might be how does he come down on Prop 8 now?
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/11/christian-love-versus-christian.html
He may have become a worse, more delusional Christian.
A church wants to ban marriage between gays, that's the time.
Posted by: Norman Doering | November 15, 2008 11:38 AM
"The vomit in my mouth tastes bitter."
Are there instances when it doesn't?
Posted by: dogscratcher | November 15, 2008 1:39 PM
Ted Haggard is in a double bind. Firstly he has confessed to sexual behaviour that is both condemned by the Church and that makes individual Church members extremely uncomfortable. Secondly Haggard has an established pattern of lying. When this story first broke he repeatedly stared right into the television cameras and told bold face lies. And of course we must remember that he repeated these lies (and others perhaps) to Church leaders behind closed doors. So this raises the problem that it is difficult to believe anything that Haggard says.
Realistically speaking Ted Haggard is faced with three choices. 1. He can accept a very junior level ministry position. Perhaps he will get involved in an Exodus or Living Waters type Ministry.
2. He can stay in the Church but earn a living doing something in the secular world.
3. He could leave the Church (or at least the conservative/ evangelical branch of it).
Posted by: Cheddar | November 15, 2008 2:05 PM
Wow, the old "gayness is caused by traumatic child molestation" hypothesis, confirmed! It's sad that he really must choose between his humanity and the community which repudiates it. He certainly made his bed there- he has done his part to promote the kind of homophobia that thrives in the religious community:
http://fruitsofdoubt.wordpress.com/2008/11/14/apologetics-conference-part-2/
Shadenfreud aside, there appears to be no good to come from this Haggard story thus far. He could have spoken out against the flagrant discrimination and condemnation of homosexuals like himself, but he chose to affirm it. It won't be long before his case is touted as an example among Christians of a 'recovered' homosexual.
Posted by: tyaddow | November 15, 2008 2:29 PM
Nothing humbles a person and strengthens their faith so much as being a very, very bad sinner -- and getting caught. If you're a preacher, this means you can now understand and relate to people with troubles even better than before. And through the congregation's act of forgiveness, their own faith is strengthened. It's nothing but win, all around.
That's actually rather handy.
Posted by: Sastra | November 15, 2008 3:08 PM
I hate that. Chaps are assless by definition. If they had asses they'd be pants.
Posted by: Nentuaby | November 15, 2008 3:21 PM
Nah. Not buying any of Teddy's crap. Ferchrissakes he's a GAY man----anyone remember the statement read to his congregation (by someone other than Ted---he apparently doesn't have the balls to face them) when he resigned? Something like, "I have fought against these urges my entire life...."
Just like the statements made by gays when they come out. Duh.
I'll just sit back and wait for the next time he is caught. It won't be long. And his stupid followers will go on believing everything he says and send him money. Morons.
Posted by: kshep | November 15, 2008 3:27 PM
Jim Bakker, Marvin Gorman, Jimmy Swaggart, Ted Haggard...when you're a prominent christian it's not a question of are you screwing around, it's a question of with whom.
Posted by: steve s | November 15, 2008 3:37 PM
You left out the "...and a much more securely closeted homosexual" part.
Posted by: DaveL | November 15, 2008 4:48 PM
That's quite an indictment of Haggard's co-religionists. As recall non-evangelical commentators all said they felt sorry for her, and angry with Haggard for using her as a prop when he was denying the story.
Posted by: Bartholomew | November 15, 2008 4:54 PM
Nonsense -- it gave us Roy Zimmerman's delightful ditty "Ted Haggard is Completely Heterosexual".
Posted by: Tulse | November 15, 2008 6:37 PM
"floating around in his associative cortex will be thoughts of moving to the Castro District of San Francisco and buying some ass-less chaps."
What have we done to you that you would inflict this mental picture on us?
Posted by: Romeo Vitelli | November 15, 2008 6:52 PM
This is one of those situations where you need to read between the lines and ask the right questions. The key point here is that Haggard is publically critizing the Church. Why is doing that? He has been ostracized and is lashing out. It is an act of desperation. Attempting to publically humilate your critics almost always backfires. You can just imagine the response of the Church leaders who were involved in his dismissal. They will react (whether that be publically or in private) angrily to Haggards statement and will characterize Haggard as a liar and manipulator.
What should have happened is that Haggard would have a press conference with Church leaders standing by his side. They would all talk about the process of Haggards "rehabilitation". That would of demonstrated that he was (to some degree) back in good standing. But instead Haggard was up there by himself complaining about how the Church leaders were a bunch of cruel hypocrites.
Posted by: Cheddar | November 15, 2008 7:58 PM
If Ted Haggard were in my denomination, he would have been defrocked and never allowed to serve in an ordained capacity again-based on what he did. (And it wouldn't matter whether or not he was molested or not-he is now an adult and expected to act like an adult! Not that I think molesting "causes" gayness or anything...) And depending upon whether or not he is a registered sex offender (I do not know if this is true or not) he would not be able to serve in ANY capacity in any ELCA congregation.
There's a difference btween forgiving and forgetting!
I think Ted needs to be locked in a room for 2 days straight (no pun intended!) and listen to Keith Olbermann's commentary on continuous loop. Best commentary I've heard!
Posted by: Rev. AJB | November 15, 2008 8:00 PM
So let's see:
So Teddy goes away declares himself "completely heterosexual", but blames it all on someone else (way to take responsibility, Teddy*), all ready to go back to spewing his hate mongering and collecting the cash.First Teddy-boy gives fire-and-brimstone sermons, stirring up hate against homosexuals to ensure maximal donations and tithing.
Then he gets caught having sex in a public toilet with another man and lies about it (repeatedly).
And how did his fellow loving Christians react (in Teddy's own words)?:
Ah the Christian experience. Hate, cheat, lie, shift focus and hate some more, lie (again), shift blame and avoid facing up to your own faults, then repeat, ad nauseam
Any wonder people are abandoning the churches? -DJ
*Note how Teddy-boy hates the way others blamed his wife, an innocent party, but how quickly he shifted the blame onto an unknown male, a party never even accused, let alone convicted, when the heat was on Teddy-boy himself.
Can you spell "HYPOCRITE", Teddy?
Posted by: DingoJack | November 15, 2008 9:30 PM
The Ted Haggard saga: Christian LOVE in full swing. -DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 15, 2008 9:37 PM
Then I would say Ted has a point with you guys. You essentially saying his wee-wee activity is an unforgiveable sin while all the others pastors commit daily aren't. It does have the smell of hypocrisy.
Not really, you may remember but if you have forgiven, truly forgiven that means equal footing. Otherwise you are still holding the action against them.
Posted by: Che-taylor | November 15, 2008 9:46 PM
That Ted Haggard loves men isn't the issue.
That he demonized those who shared his passion and profited from the hate he generated. That he got caught (repeatedly) doing the very activities that he condemned in the strongest terms, and lied about it (again repeatedly). That, when confronted with solid evidence, he lied, weaseled and whined about "forgiveness" (this is the same "Christian forgiveness", by the way, that he failed to show to anyone else), IS THE ISSUE.
It's NOT about sexuality, it's about HYPOCRISY.
I really couldn't care less about Haggard's sex-life. -DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 16, 2008 12:01 AM
I truly hope no one is surprised by this. Haggard isn't exactly well-trained for any other career. He ostracized the more liberal faiths during his gay-bashing days, so there's little chance he'd find success there. So, he tries to remind his old flock that they are required to forgive him so he can get back to shearing those sheep. And I hope no one will be surprised when it works.
Posted by: Shygetz | November 16, 2008 12:34 AM
DingoJack with the win.
We've got a shady preacher and a church that basically kept him in the closet because they discriminated against gays. Forgive the expression, but that's a match made in heaven. These people deserve each other.
What's really sad is that the young man who shot up New Life Church a while back was a product of one of their "pray away the gay" programs, and was, of course, unsuccessful at doing so. They treated him like a pariah, and his rage cost two other people their lives (he took his own, as well). This is what they have sown with their bigotry.
Posted by: Paul Lundgren | November 16, 2008 1:01 AM
Are you talking about Matthew Murray? Because I can't find any reference in news reports or his own postings that refer to any kind of re-closeting program.
Posted by: DaveL | November 16, 2008 8:11 AM
DJ said:
"Note how Teddy-boy hates the way others blamed his wife, an innocent party, but how quickly he shifted the blame onto an unknown male, a party never even accused, let alone convicted, when the heat was on Teddy-boy himself."
It's even worse than that. Haggard is reinforcing a "blood libel" type of lie against homosexual men.
His story illustrates the disgusting bigotry that gay men are prowling after innocent straight adolescent boys ( gay = pedophile) and the consummation of this quest actually changes the sexual orientation of the child forever. ( The vampire myth ).
Gay pedophilic vampires only die from a wooden stake in their chest or HIV (obviously God's instrument of justice on Earth).
Now, that's a ripping fine yarn that plays well to a certain demographic.
Posted by: Gingerbaker | November 16, 2008 8:34 AM
Ginger - Thanks for that, you're quite right (IMHO).I'm very pleased you recognised the "blood libel" angle to Teddy-boy's disingenuous weaseling, and that you posted the point I would have like have to covered. Alas I could only fit so much bile in one purge. - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 16, 2008 8:57 AM
His wife is obviously the saddest, most gullible bitch on the planet if she's willing to take anything he says as the truth.
Posted by: Jacob | November 16, 2008 8:57 AM
dingo jack said:
"That he demonized those who shared his passion and profited from the hate he generated. That he got caught (repeatedly) doing the very activities that he condemned in the strongest terms, and lied about it (again repeatedly). That, when confronted with solid evidence, he lied, weaseled and whined about "forgiveness" (this is the same "Christian forgiveness", by the way, that he failed to show to anyone else), IS THE ISSUE.
It's NOT about sexuality, it's about HYPOCRISY."
be cautious D.J.
because "you become who you hate, only to destroy those you once loved" if you continue to hate Christians you might just end up exactly like them in the end. judging without thinking first.
Posted by: the nomad | November 16, 2008 7:11 PM
Who said Ted Haggard was a Christian? He certainly has never acted like one.
I won't stop Haggard spewing his bile around, but I WILL continue to point out the contradictory behaviours and the cognitive dissidence that he (and his followers) display. If you think pointing out the hypocrisy of these so-called pillars of Christian rectitude is equivalent to hating Christians generally, I'd suggest reading more carefully -DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 16, 2008 9:26 PM
Dingo Jack, it seems to me that an attitude of hate is evident in your words...weather blaming false Christians, the religious right, or anyone else it seems you enjoy racking up your "they are wrong" scoreboard. I do not agree with the people who call themselves Christians or religious right either...but to continually blast them to puff up your own ego can be a bit harsh.
I dont think you thougt at all about what I said.
"you become who you hate, only to destroy those you once loved"
if all you do is blast people they will never change...think about how you can show them they are wrong and do that instead...I bet you will see results you never expected...stop blasting and start doling something to open peoples eyes to their on hypocracy.
someone very wise once said...be the change you want to see in the world...
if you do not stop blasting people you become just like them.
Posted by: the nomad | November 16, 2008 10:06 PM
"if you do not stop blasting people you become just like them."
Or they take away your civil rights.
Posted by: Rick R | November 17, 2008 1:38 AM
^^^I'm enormously tired and should be in bed. Rephrasing^^^
If you DO stop blasting people (pointing up their hypocrisy) they may just vote away your civil rights.
Posted by: Rick R | November 17, 2008 1:42 AM
@the nomad:
Blasting away teh stupid is probably more likely to succeed than praying away teh gay.
I'm settling back with a good book (not THE good book) and awaiting the next time Haggard or one of his fundie friends is caught getting whipped with an ostrich feather by some mustachioed Latino boy in a leather boy scout uniform.
Great. Now I have to bleach out my mind's eye ...
Posted by: Metro | November 17, 2008 5:50 PM
hate is fun till it destroys you...what happens at the end of that road I have already experienced and do not want for me or anyone that result and experience in life. good luck hating on people...
I stated clearly before that I do not agree with the attitudes of these Christian people...however why spend time tearing them new ass hloes ...there are more importnat things to do...do something constructive instead of destroying yourselves. so lets have a real conversation...no more hate..."talk is cheap, but action will cost you your life"
forget those idiots and get something done that matters...the untouchable in india does not give a shit about christian gays...he is hungry and needs food...shut up and do something
Posted by: the nomad | November 17, 2008 6:08 PM
Nomad- You seem to be confusing anger with hate. I don't hate Ted Haggard or any of the Fundagelical Taliban.
But these folks aren't just putting on a show for the rest of us to point and laugh at. They have been, and still are, taking real actions that cause real harm to real people.
And that makes me ANGRY. Furious, actually. Fucking ENRAGED.
Enraged enough to fight back.
Young padawan, hate may indeed lead to the dark side.
But anger, grasshopper.....anger can change the world.
Posted by: Rick R | November 17, 2008 6:43 PM
anger is unreleased passiona and can change alot...on this blog however I continue to see mostly hate...all I am saying is be a lover not a hater...what is the difference beetween blasting someone out of hate and trying to understand why they do something? maybey in all of your wisdom and dillagence in pointing out their hypocracy you should try to help them...because like the potential and apperent sucess at hurting people they also (as you do) have the opportunity to do something posotive. "your words cut deep, your attitude yet deeper"
Posted by: the nomad | November 17, 2008 9:37 PM
"But anger, grasshopper.....anger can change the world"
Nomad read this again. You may be becoming what you hate. Many on the issue of gay rights call people who disgree with the gay lifestyle haters and want to make their opinion a "hate crime". There is a difference between hate and anger. It seems by some of your posts that you might be a Christian. Did not Jesus get angry at injustice? Ted Haggard needs forgiveness and understanding just like us all. But his Nazi like stance on gays became assine to umteeth degree the second he admitted doing the same things he was condemning. Not that it was not assine enough.
I agree anger can change the world. Anger placed in the right direction. Anger at the injustice of people misquoting the Bible to degrade a group of people and then doing the same things. I have said many times on hear that I believe the homosexuality misses the best God has for us. But so does me and you looking with lust at a girls ass. With that said, there is not reason to come down on people like Haggard and others do. The anger on here is not so much at him but that judgemental and compassionless attitude. Oh how many times I have seen Christians only befriend a gay person to see them "changed'. So superficial isn't it.
Yes anger can change the world. Anger that leads to the action you so covet. Is it not anger at the plight and the injustice of religious oppression of the untouchable that should spur us to action? In what way is the gay person in American treated like the "untouchable" and how many like Haggard caused this? Are you angry? Should you be?
Posted by: King of Ireland | November 17, 2008 11:31 PM
"But anger, grasshopper.....anger can change the world"
Nomad read this again. You may be becoming what you hate. Many on the issue of gay rights call people who disgree with the gay lifestyle haters and want to make their opinion a "hate crime". There is a difference between hate and anger. It seems by some of your posts that you might be a Christian. Did not Jesus get angry at injustice? Ted Haggard needs forgiveness and understanding just like us all. But his Nazi like stance on gays became assine to umteeth degree the second he admitted doing the same things he was condemning. Not that it was not assine enough.
I agree anger can change the world. Anger placed in the right direction. Anger at the injustice of people misquoting the Bible to degrade a group of people and then doing the same things. I have said many times on hear that I believe the homosexuality misses the best God has for us. But so does me and you looking with lust at a girls ass. With that said, there is not reason to come down on people like Haggard and others do. The anger on here is not so much at him but that judgemental and compassionless attitude. Oh how many times I have seen Christians only befriend a gay person to see them "changed'. So superficial isn't it.
Yes anger can change the world. Anger that leads to the action you so covet. Is it not anger at the plight and the injustice of religious oppression of the untouchable that should spur us to action? In what way is the gay person in American treated like the "untouchable" and how many like Haggard caused this? Are you angry? Should you be?
Posted by: King of Ireland | November 17, 2008 11:42 PM
blaming and blasting someone does no good...learning from anothers mistake (and your own) is invaluable...and helping them understand another way to live can change the world...
the king of ireland askes -"are you angry?" I say to that ...yes proabably more angry than any of you will ever be at the system called Christianity...I grew up in it...the hypocracy is nothing compared with the way these people convince themselves they are the only ones who are right...for me to HATE them does no good. ted haggard aside, gays aside, untouchables aside, look at the issue. you all have great potential to influence the world...why spend your time tearing people down? when they fall down do not just laugh at them like everyone else...help them up...help them learn...do something that matters...let the injustice of the world lead you to action instead of more hypocracy...
the king of ireland also said -"Ted Haggard needs forgiveness and understanding just like us all. But his Nazi like stance on gays became assine to umteeth degree the second he admitted doing the same things he was condemning. Not that it was not assine enough."
for the third time I say this and maybey you all will listen at some point "you become who you hate, only to destroy who you once loved"
so lets all get passionate for real, and do something that matters...not just passionate for justice...but be moved to action. in each mans lifetime he influences an average of 10,000 people...for better or worse...who will we be? it takes but a simple choice.
Posted by: the nomad | November 17, 2008 11:56 PM
Oh Ted.....
I think it was (evil) genius for Ted to blame a gay pedophile/ molester as the cause of his homosexual behavior. How else could he blame an outside source while bashing gays at the same time? - all in the same breath?
He outdid himself this time!.
Xtians call homosexuality an evil perversion of nature(for xtians), or a conscious choice (for others). All gay sex is a deviant practice caused by: gay pedophiles targeting kids, tolerance of "sin", weak men, feminism, removal of god from schools, secular humanists, gay pride/clubs/etc, a culture accepting of homosexuals, gay rights, divorce, the "break down" of patriarchal family, and on, and on.....
I just LOVE when they're caught doing things they preach virulently against. It's funny. Here's a quick fix if you get caught soliciting a male prostitute:
First, blame everyone/ everything else, then go on a repentance spree. Then, call your misdeeds "sin", and claim the "saving blood of jesus" washed away your "sins".
If in a position of authority, say the event was just a test from god, to build your "faith" in him. Make sure you weep,cry, wail about the lure of the devil, the weakness of humans, and our wicked, sinful nature. Remind the crowd they're ALL immoral sinners too, with no right to judge.
When I'm at the airport, I often have a little laugh at Ted's expense. Because it IS funny.
StaceyJW
Posted by: StaceyJW | November 18, 2008 2:04 AM
Nomad-
So what if his (Dingo Jack), or anyone's, writing comes across as angry, hateful? That doesn't mean he's a hateful person, or that he spends much of his time complaining.
A few comments a day doesn't constitute consummate hatred.
A blog is a communication forum where raw emotions and fleeting thoughts have a home;it's a safe place to blow off steam, or share happiness. It is NOT a tool for organizing direct action, just a place for free expression.
I am angry at times, and I do occasionally feel hatred. You can call me un-evolved, hateful, pathetic, if you want, but to feel these emotions is part of being human. It is a gross simplification, like so many other pat sayings, to believe that you become what you hate.
StaceyJW
Posted by: StaceyJW | November 18, 2008 2:07 AM
Nomad- "so lets all get passionate for real, and do something that matters...not just passionate for justice...but be moved to action."
Um, speaking for myself, I already do. AND I post sometimes on blogs.
It's called multi-tasking.
Posted by: Rick R | November 18, 2008 11:10 AM
And King of Ireland, I'm so glad to see you around here more. While I may not agree with the concept of sin, I respect your approach to living your faith. You could have much to teach to the christian right (including the mormons and catholics who pushed proposition 8).
Posted by: Rick R | November 18, 2008 11:14 AM
Nomad stated:
"why spend your time tearing people down?"
I believe that Bible says to cast (tear down) any thought that sets itself up against the knowledge of Christ or something like that. People who speak in the name of God but distort the message of God exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Jesus called the Pharisees a bunch of vipers. Was it hate of the person? If He is Love then it cannot be. Then it must be hate of the idea. We can and should tear down ideas that are shit.
I think Ed and others may cross that line at times and tear down the person. I called Ed on something the other day I thought was in bad taste and may have done more harm than good. But I can say this:
I TRUST ED AND HIS HONESTY AND ABILITY TO BE REAL AND STRAITFORWARD MORE THAN MOST IF NOT ALL THE CHURCH PEOPLE I KNOW. I BLOGGED ON CHURCH WEBSITE AND TOLD THEM THAT THEY WERE FULL OF SHIT. THEY ERASED MY COMMENTS AND DID NOT RESPOND TO MY POINT THAT I KNOW WAS RIGHT. ED NEVER DID THIS ONCE. IN FACT I THINK I HAVE SEEN TWO PEOPLE CENSORED OR BANNED. THEY DESERVED IT.
TAKE THE ADVICE ED'S BROTHER GAVE ME WHEN I FIRST CAME ON HERE:
LISTEN TO THE MESSAGE AND SEE WHAT HE AND OTHERS ARE ABOUT AND THEN COMMENT. MY SENSE IS YOU WILL AGREE WITH MORE OF WHAT THEY SAY THAN YOU THINK. ED HAS DONE MORE TO SHAPE MY CURRENT WORLD VIEW THAN ANYONE ELSE I KNOW. WE DIFFER ON OUR IMAGE OF GOD BUT AGREE ON MOST OTHER THINGS. DIALOUGE HELPED A LOT.
Rick R.
Their Constitutional grounds are suspect at best to have this upheld. The minority needs to be protected from the tyranny of the majority. State amendments that destroy individual rights have no place in our system. This is exactly, as Ed states so well and convinced me, like the civil rights issues of the 60's. Now I do not think it is a immutable characteristic issue but a mutable one. But what is the difference between the mutable rights to the freedom of religion and the mutable rights for a gay to marry? Maybe I need to join the protests. I am going to think about it. If they can take a gay person's right marry away then my rights I cherish will come right behind it.
Quote at the Holocaust Museum:
"They came for the Jews and I was not a Jew so I did not speak out. They came for the trade unionists and I was not a trade unionist so I did not speak out. They came for me and no one spoke out!
FUCK PRICK BASTARDS THAT SEEK TO DESTROY RIGHTS! Nomad is Ted Haggard right? Will you speak out?
Posted by: King of Ireland | November 18, 2008 9:44 PM
Nentuaby: "Chaps are assless by definition. If they had asses they'd be pants."
LOL! This is why I read sciencblogs!
nomad, quit the self-righteous psychobabble, dude! I recommend Neil Young instead.
"I caught you knocking at my cellar door, I love you, baby,
can I have some more, oh, oh, the damage done...."
Posted by: ildi | November 18, 2008 10:32 PM
well... I do enjoy neil young and as for my "self-righteous psycobabble" perhaps you have called me out on my bullshit, perhaps not...
when was I self righteous? any more than you?
ted haggard is wrong...who does that automatically put in his place as right?
not me...I just want christians (especially) and everyone as a matter of fact to stop hating each other. something I did not expect came out of this blog site...a chance to be honest with someone...and they are honest back...that I cannot do at church...that is why I left...I asked one question and they all got mad...I just asked: why?
thanks for challenging me back...that means more...than someone telling me I am wrong and not backing it up.
I look foward to more real conversations...
Rick R thank you for your multitasking time and effort to do something posotive and your perspective...
Posted by: the nomad | November 19, 2008 9:52 AM