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Supremes Reject Another Obama Citizenship Case

Posted by James Hanley on January 14, 2009
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In the latest dog-bites-man news story, the Supreme Court has rejected Phil Berg’s Berg v. Obama lawsuit, which contends that Obama is constitutionally unqualified to be president because he is not a natural born U.S. citizen. (The order, 08-570, can be read here.) Berg is “disappointed,” but he’s not through yet.


In response to other cases that have been tossed for lack of standing, Berg has also filed a suit in the name of a member of the armed services.

The new case is Hollister vs. Barry Soetoro a/k/a Obama filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, Docket # 08-02254 (JR). Hollister is a retired U.S. Air Force Colonel that can be recalled at any time by the President. His dilemma – is Obama a “qualified” President that he must take orders from or is he “not qualified” and therefore, he is required to legally disobey Obama’s orders?

Clever, but still doomed to fail because the basic problem with these suits is not lack of standing but lack of a factual case.

But if you haven’t seen Berg’s site, you should check it out. It always brightens my day by making me laugh. For example;

on January 16, 2009 again, we have a “Conference” before the U.S. Supreme Court in this case.

Well, yes, if “we have” is used in its loosest possible sense. The Supreme Court receives about 10,000 appeals per year, and accepts about 100 of them; that is, about 1%. How do they dispose of most of the other 9,900 cases? At conference, when the case name and number is read and everyone says “pass.” (OK, we don’t actually know exactly how their conferences work, because they operate behind closed doors. But it’s logical to assume that most of the cases receive no more than a few seconds of consideration.) So all cases are conferenced, which Berg knows. So when he says “We have a ‘Conference,” it sounds to me like he’s intentionally trying to mislead his supporters into thinking the Court is actually taking his case seriously.

And then there’s this.

We are working day & night to be prepared for the next proceeding: whether to appear in Court in Washington, D.C., or to prepare documents for Court, or to prepare Press Releases to keep people aware of our progress.

That’s right, folks, he’s not going to give up. The poor guy will be out there in the trenches day and night pounding out those press releases.

Berg is truly the git that keeps on giving.

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  1. #1 RLantern
    January 15, 2009

    By the way, here is the original post

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  2. #2 RLantern
    January 15, 2009

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  3. #3 RLantern
    January 15, 2009

    Here’s the original post

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  4. #4 RLantern
    January 15, 2009

    Here is the original post

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  5. #5 RL
    January 15, 2009

    heres the original post

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  6. #6 RLantern
    January 15, 2009

    here’s the original post

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  7. #7 RLantern
    January 15, 2009

    here’s the original post

    In defense of Red
    Obama is not a Natural Born Citizen in accordance to the Law of the Land at the time of his birth. He may not even be a US Citizen (different than Natural Born Citizen) in legal standing. There is tremendous evidence and anyone who denies this is obviously refusing to look at the facts. This demonstrates how low our country has stooped in terms of corruption, censorship, and fraud. We cannot produce one single candidate for US President that isn’t attached to an earth shaking scandal. Our Constitution is what sets us apart and there will come a day when we will all depend upon it to protect our rights. This scandal cannot possibly go away and I believe they are stalling until after the Inauguration so that Biden can pardon him. I’m sure Hilary is still trying for VP, Chief of Staff, and the Presidency.
    If Obama was born outside of the United States:
    The statute of 1790, stated: “[T]he children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, 1 Stat. 104.
    Obama Sr. was never considered a resident of the US because he was here from Kenya on a student visa.
    The Statutes passed in 1795 changed the wording from “shall be considered natural born citizens” to “shall be considered citizens”. That change was made for a reason. Also note that citizenship passed through the father, not the mother.
    If Obama wasn’t born in the US, then he is not an American citizen because his mother wasn’t old enough (she needed to be 19 and she was only 18) to automatically transmit US citizenship to him at birth in 1961. This information is from the US Department of State website :
    Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock: … For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen are required for physical presence in the U.S. to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.
    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html
    If Obama was born in the US, the main point is that there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    The birth certificate only matters in that it says that Barack H Obama Sr, a Kenyan citizen, is the father.
    A citizen of the US is a citizen at birth by being born on US soil (Jus soli) or by being born to one or two US citizen parents (Jus sanguinis).US citizenship can be acquired by naturalization by a non-citizen after birth.
    http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86755.pdf
    John A. Bingham, chief architect of the 14th Amendments first section, considered the proposed national law on citizenship as …
    “simply declaratory of what is written in the Constitution, that every human being born within the jurisdiction of the United States of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty is, in the language of your Constitution itself, a natural born citizen…” (congressional globe, 39th congress, 1st session, March 9, 1866)
    Note the phrase “of parents not owing allegiance to any foreign sovereignty”. That means that neither parent could be a non-US citizen. B. H. Obama Sr, Obama’s father, was not a US citizen, he was a British/Kenyan citizen.
    A US ‘natural born citizen’ is a person born on US soil to two US citizen parents.
    See PERKINS V. ELG – http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=307&invol=325
    (Please note that the mother, Mrs Elg, was also a naturalized US citizen by derivation through her marriage to her husband, a naturalized citizen, as the law provided before 1922. [See section § 51.50 of http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/pdf/22cfr51.44.pdf ])
    The Supreme Court case of PERKINS v. ELG defined a natural born citizen as a person who was born on US soil to two US citizen parents. It was also defined the same way in MINOR v. HAPPERSETT http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=88&invol=162
    So, there is a difference between a ‘citizen’ and a ‘natural born citizen’.
    To be eligible to serve as the President of the United States, the person must be a ‘natural born citizen’ (or a citizen at the time of the adoption of the constitution) per Article 2 Section 1 of the US Constitution. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html
    To establish a precedent in this situation, note that EVERY President has been a natural born citizen (born on US soil to two US citizen parents), or a citizen at the time the constitution was adopted.
    Mr. Barack H. Obama II was born to a US citizen mother and a Kenyan citizen father and was reportedly born on US soil in the state of Hawaii. If born on US soil, He is a ‘citizen’. BUT – Since one of his parents was not a US citizen, Obama is not a ‘natural-born citizen’ and is therefore not qualified for the office of President of the United States.
    In either case, Mr. Obama is not a “natural born citizen” and is not qualified to serve as President of the United States.
    If your lawyer friend notes that the Supreme Court has refused to hear any case about Mr. Obama’s eligibility, give her this analogy:
    If a thief has announced his intention to rob your home, but has not yet done so, can he be arrested for the theft of your property before he has done the deed?
    It is not Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to be a candidate for President, or even win an election. It is Unconstitutional for an ineligible person to serve as President of the United States. The inauguration has not yet happened, the deed has not yet been done, so no case has been heard (yet) before the Supreme Court.
    Go get ’em.

  8. #8 Mr. SCSI
    January 16, 2009

    So if you expect us to believe you, oh you of many names, at least tell us the group you accompanied.

    Prup (aka Jim Benton)

    I haven’t a clue who you’re talking about with the “oh you of many names” Bullshit I’ve only used one name here, and continue to use it.

    Number two your reading comprehension skills are a bit lax, I did not accompany the act that I was working with because I didn’t go.

    if you take the .0001% that you actually think you know and combine it with a 99.9999% that I know because I was actually there, and pound that up your ass you might get a thrill.

    The band I was working for at the time was Slade, and before you go into hysterics and spasms, no they weren’t playing to the general population in either country except for the occasional one-off gig.

    They did however frequently for the entire time that I worked with them, play embassies, and special events held at various hotels within both countries, they also played a morale tour of Soviet troops in Afghanistan in 1981, I did not go on that one either.

    Now as mentioned above people saying that there was a travel ban in place or that I said there was, that is not what I said, I merely stated what the US Consulate had told me, that there were travel restrictions, restrictions, RESTRICTIONS in place, not a travel ban, not a law against traveling, I was free to go if that’s what I wanted to do, I was just going to face sanctions such as losing my passport, and/or fines if I did.

    but it’s obvious that posting up here is nothing but a waste of time, because everybody here has their head in the sand and their hands out for their stimulus checks.

    But just remember when you have your head stuck in the sand, your ass is in the air, and you’re in a fairly vulnerable position. But it’s your life and your call.

    Others have made mention that there’s some reason that I don’t want Barack Hussein Obama to be president. I’ve never said that, and that’s paranoid hysterics at its best. Many in responding to my posts have played the race card. That’s a funny thing from a political party who swear that they are the party of tolerance and acceptance of all.

    I merely believe that Barack Hussein Obama said his would be the most transparent administration in history. And he is starting out 180° out of phase. History will be the judge of what happens from here on out, not me or none of you will have a damn thing to say about it.

    You scream for proof, but yet you turn around every chance you get and say how you believe him and take him on his word. Where’s your proof? Nothing but his word, someone who you do not know personally, you’re going to take everything he says as 100% gospel on nothing but his word.

    And you call me a fucktard, that’s laughable.

    For those of you who think this topic is not even aware to the general population, unfortunately once again you’re highly mistaken, the various websites and blogs talking about it are getting significant traffic.

    Eight days ago when I launched http://Obamapassport.com if you typed in to Google Obama passport you came up with story after story after story about how his passport records along with others were illegally accessed.

    Eight days later, type in the same phrase and on the second page you will see http://Obamapassport.com

    You might ask how? Because I’m not doing any heavy pay for play advertising, I am not doing any advertising at all. How it has climbed in the search engines is simple, ever-changing content, and hits.

    Within three days of launching a website I was garnering in excess of 1000 hits per day, and those are unique hits per day. Five days later that number has climbed to almost 5000 per day.

    So keep on kidding yourself that nobody cares, keep on fooling yourself that there’s really nothing there to interest anyone, keep on telling yorself that the whole world voted for Barack Hussein Obama. If that’s the way you want to think about the world, who am I to stop you. But just remember you’re part of the 63 million who voted for him, there was over 60 million who didn’t, you don’t hold a vast majority and you never will.

    So just have fun and go on with life and when this issue does boil to a head, think back to this post. Because you guys were saying the exact same thing in 92, everybody said there’s nothing about Whitewater and that the Clintons were pure as the driven snow.

    You then were screaming in 2000 that the election was stolen, you screamed it again in 2004, and it’s okay. You’re in power now, enjoy it while it lasts. But don’t expect the rest of us to sit back and be quiet, I however will continue to look at everything that Barack Hussein Obama and Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid does with a healthy dose of skepticism.

    So until you can shut me down, or in some other way shut me up, kiss my ass.

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