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Raymer on the UIGEA and Online Poker

Posted on: March 14, 2009 9:02 AM, by Ed Brayton

Greg Raymer did an interview with the National Review Online about the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act and made many of the same points I've made about that law and the legality of online poker. He points out, for example, that the UIGEA did not make online poker illegal so it should not have had any effect on poker sites at all:

One very literal point -- the UIGEA did nothing. It actually has zero legal impact on poker. The UIGEA says that it is illegal to engage in financial transactions with illegal online gambling sites. It doesn't define what those are. Online poker isn't illegal under federal law, so UIGEA doesn't apply to sites that only do poker.

As I noted more than two years ago, the courts have already ruled on this issue. Online poker is not illegal under federal law. The only form of online gambling that is actually illegal at the federal level is sports betting, despite the pretensions of the Bush administration. But Raymer also points out that the Bush administration was engaged in multiple efforts to intimidate online poker sites and legitimate poker magazines that do business with them:

FREDDOSO: Have you been threatened?

RAYMER: No, but Card Player magazine is a perfect example. They were running ads for real money sites -- when you see a TV commercial right now, it's for sites that only give you access to play money games. Card Player magazine was still running commercials for sites that offered real-money poker games. The Department of Justice was threatening them, sending them letters, that if they didn't cease and desist, arrests would follow. They then came in with warrants, searched the offices, seized documents, maintained copies of those documents to use in a prosecution. But they never sought an indictment. In my opinion, it's because the Department of Justice knew that if they actually went to court with Card Player -- and the Department of Justice knew they would fight, that they wouldn't settle out of court -- then they would have to live with whatever the judge said.

It's interesting to see this sort of paternalism -- not only from the federal government, but from state governments as well -- when it comes to gambling. Because most of these states have state-sponsored gambling, and it almost appears that they are trying to preserve their lotteries at the expense of other forms of gambling, such as people playing poker in their own house, on their own computer.

When they're making money on it, like by running a lottery, they like it. But when they're not making money on it, then they'll say that they're trying to protect society and protect family values and all that kind of stuff. And that's just because the politicians think that will get them votes, to say they're against this immoral enterprise. As far as I'm concerned, morality has no place in politics. I don't want the government pushing a religion on me in the form of morality against gambling.

But it's also true that a lot of online gambling sites and related businesses, including the World Series of Poker, caved in to this intimidation rather than stand up for the undeniable fact that online poker is entirely legal in this country:

FREDDOSO: But a lot of players were intimidated by UIGEA, and participation in the World Series Main Event declined rather dramatically in the year afterward.

RAYMER: Yes. That was because the Rio and Harrah's decided they couldn't do business with the online sites. In the past, before that law was on the books, people would compete on PokerStars to win their seat in the Main Event. But if you won your seat, you needed to show up in Vegas. PokerStars would buy you in directly, in your name, and then you were given your receipt. But when the casinos decided they wouldn't deal with the sites, they couldn't do it that way anymore. Now what they had to do was put $11,000 in your account -- the $10,000 buy-in plus a thousand for expenses -- and then they have to expect you to withdraw the entire $11,000 and use it to travel to and play in the Main Event, which a lot of people didn't do.

Imagine if you're just an average American, you're working hard, you're making somewhere between $20,000 and $80,000 a year, and you play online poker. In your bank account, you probably almost never have more than $1,000. Now, all of the sudden, you have $11,000. Do you think your wife is going to say, yeah, take that ten thousand and go play in a poker tournament where 90 percent of the people make no money at all? Most spouses would say no way. If you're in that situation, how can you justify playing in a $10,000 tournament when you can just keep the money?

So this law really did affect the World Series. And it also intimidated players and poker sites. At the time, the biggest poker site (PartyPoker.com) decided they would reject all American customers. Anyone who was a resident of the United States would be told to withdraw their money and leave -- you're not allowed to play on our site anymore. I think that company made a huge mistake. I would have gone to court and fought it. I would have set it up so that the U.S. could arrest me. Everyone knows I represent PokerStars. The government's never come after me for doing business with an illegal online casino, because they know they'd lose. The Department of Justice will threaten you, but they've never sought an indictment against anyone who has ever stood up to them.

He's absolutely right. The Bush administration rattled their swords a lot and intimidated a lot of people, including Harrah's, but they knew damn well that any case against sites or businesses over online poker would be dismissed because online poker is not illegal.

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1

I can see point. Those that can't see making money for themselves will punish those that do. So what can be done about this?

Posted by: Tim | March 15, 2009 4:00 AM

2

Raymer is not really correct. The UIGEA does apply to sites that offer only poker.

It's true that there's no federal law against online poker (despite the DOJ's crazy interpretation of the Wire Act).

But there are plenty of state laws against online poker, and the UIGEA covers any wagers that are illegal under federal OR STATE laws.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/31/usc_sec_31_00005362----000-.html

So the UIGEA doesn't make poker illegal where it was otherwise legal. But where poker was already illegal, the UIGEA does take what had been strictly a state issue and give it some federal teeth.

Posted by: maurile | March 15, 2009 9:44 PM

3

The only state where online poker is illegal is Washington. That hardly changes the point Raymer is making (which is the same point I've made again and again).

Posted by: Ed Brayton | March 15, 2009 10:06 PM

4

Poker, for money, with a rake, is illegal in plenty of states -- not just Washington. Playing online instead of in the kitchen doesn't make it go from illegal to legal. (For example, I live in California, where it's legal with a drop but illegal with a rake. The distinction is in no sense meaningful, but that's the rule. Every online site I know of uses a rake. Thus, online poker is effectively illegal in California.)

Posted by: maurile | March 16, 2009 4:18 PM

5

Is the average American breaking the law by playing on, e.g. Full Tilt for money? What risks is he taking by doing so? What if he lists any income from there on his tax return? Does anybody know the answer to these questions?

Posted by: JewishAtheist | March 17, 2009 2:55 PM

6

Gambling can be a deep addiction like drugs. Is it the reason why they try to protect us? I mean no one will buy for 1000's of dollars of lottery every month. But some one may lose a ton of money in online poker.
So it seems that all this b.s. about online poker regulation is (in part) to protect the people with a psychological deficiency. Omg, this has been so poorly handled so far.
http://www.obama4poker.com/

Posted by: Obama | March 18, 2009 2:13 PM

7

Maurile: You said that poker for money, with a rake, is illegal in California. I am fairly sure (although not 100%), that this law only makes it illegal to host a poker game with a rake - not to play in one. So online poker may very well be perfectly legal in California, as long as the site is not based in that state. The same thing has happened in several southern states, where lots of home games have been raided (presumably because they had a rake). But that doesn't mean you can't play online in those states.

Posted by: Joe | March 28, 2009 2:12 PM

8

Excellent article! thank you for the information. The department of justice ransacking Card Player's offices is just unreal. What kinds of criminal evidence were they hoping to find there? I'm producing a new documentary on the UIGEA as it applies to poker, called Post Oak Bluff, comes out this spring. info at www.thepokermovie.com Keep up the great reporting, adding RSS right now, look forward to more posts on this important issue!

Posted by: Steve Sobel | November 16, 2009 7:53 PM

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