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From that darling little Christian girl with the fake tits, Carrie Prejean, during a press conference introducing her as spokesperson for the National Organization of Marriage's current campaign against same-sex marriage:
"Marriage is good. There is something special about unions of husband and wife. Unless we bring men and women together, children will not have mothers and fathers."
Brilliant. Now if only someone was actually proposing to stop allowing men and women to be together, it might actually be relevant to the issue of same-sex marriage. This is the kind of idiotic pablum that will be lapped up to great applause on the Christian rubber chicken circuit, which is where Prejean will make her living in the future.
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Someone needs to tell the little darling that men and women can "come together" and make children without getting married first. Maybe she never learned that in her abstinence-only sex ed class?
Posted by: Adrienne | May 14, 2009 9:22 AM
Whoa. I think someone has a little silicon leaking up into her brain.
Posted by: Skip | May 14, 2009 9:34 AM
...which is where Prejean will make her living in the future.
I don't know, Vice President seems like a pretty good fit too.
Posted by: schism | May 14, 2009 9:35 AM
Can we just marry her off to Joe the Plumber, and hope they jointly fade into obscurity? (But only if Joe gets a vasectomy first -- I shudder to think what the children of these two would be like)
Posted by: Eamon Knight | May 14, 2009 9:44 AM
So beauty contestants aren't the brightest bulbs in the tent? Who knew!?!?
Posted by: yoshi | May 14, 2009 10:04 AM
Those lips have done some shapeshifting, as well.
Posted by: Dr X | May 14, 2009 10:10 AM
Palin - Prejan 2012! "Dumb You Can Belive In"
Be prepared for lots of Fancy Pageant Walkin'.
Posted by: J-Dog | May 14, 2009 10:10 AM
What's most distressing is not what Miss California said. She's a beauty pageant contestant, for pity's sake. What's disturbing is that the mainstream media seems totally unwilling to call her to account for it or even suggest that there might be something perplexing about the statement.
Does she think legalizing same-sex marriage means banning heterosexual sex? Does she think straight people will stop fucking if gays are allowed to marry? Does she think legal and social pressure are the only things keeping heterosexuals straight?
Perhaps public figures should start ending their prepared remarks with random phrases, just to see if the media is paying attention.
Posted by: DaveL | May 14, 2009 10:12 AM
I think she feels this way because of her parents' divorce. Since divorces can get ugly, there were rumors that her father was gay. This may or not be true, but the point is she probably heard about it as a child, and used it as a scapegoat for the divorce. Ironically, if gay people were allowed to be openly gay and marry a same-sex partner, it would be less likely for a gay person to end up in a straight marriage that is doomed for failure.
Posted by: catgirl | May 14, 2009 10:14 AM
God, she's like a walking and talking version of Malibu Stacey. Now let's all forget our troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream!
Wurzelbacher/Palin/Prejan/Keyes 2012!
Posted by: Imrryr | May 14, 2009 10:22 AM
Imrryr stated:
I object, I think it should be: Wurzelbacher/Palin/Prejean/Bachmann/Female porn star to be named later/Keyes 2012!
Posted by: Michael Heath | May 14, 2009 10:30 AM
Brady Bunch, meet Cardinal Richelieu, with a bit of Joe McCarthy thrown in for flavour...
Posted by: Blaidd Drwg | May 14, 2009 10:31 AM
She's a constitutional scholar as well.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | May 14, 2009 10:32 AM
If men and women don't "get together," there will be no children anyway. Or does she believe they are found in the cabbage patch?
I've seen her "lingerie" photos. Those poses are not the kind you seen in the JC Penney catalog. How does Miss Prissy Christian reconcile seminude, suggestive photos and her chaste Christian party line inside her little pea brain?
What gets me is how the rightwingers fawn over this girl like she's the next Goddess of the GOP. She can be as dumb as a post, say anything as inane as the quote, and still be lauded as long as she rejects same-sex marriage.
Posted by: wheatdogg | May 14, 2009 11:11 AM
@ wheatdogg, I wonder what would happen if she was anti-gay marriage and pro-abortion (or anti-gun)? That would likely cleave support for her by the wingnuts.
Posted by: Umlud | May 14, 2009 11:25 AM
How 'Republican' the California Beauty Pageant* has become.
An artificial beauty that spews nonsense and breaks the rules yet becomes the mainstream media's latest darling.
*The Pageant has obviously become Donald Trump's private property.
Posted by: Rodney | May 14, 2009 11:26 AM
"She can be as dumb as a post, say anything as inane as the quote, and still be lauded as long as she rejects same-sex marriage."
Those ARE the requirements for a Rethug goddess.
Posted by: Rob jase | May 14, 2009 11:34 AM
KILL THIS STORY WITH FIRE.
But yeah, on the "Fuck it or Duck it" scale, I'd fuck it.
Posted by: abstruse | May 14, 2009 11:59 AM
Yeah, but they are very NICE fake tits.
Posted by: Immunologist | May 14, 2009 12:08 PM
So if two people don't get married, the children they have won't have a mother and a father?
Apparently Miss California's mom never had the birds and bees talk with her.
Posted by: James Hanley | May 14, 2009 12:46 PM
So beauty contestants aren't the brightest bulbs in the tent? Who knew!?!?
hmmmm like Heddy Lamar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heddy_Lamar
Look for "frequency hopping"
Posted by: jay | May 14, 2009 12:58 PM
If men and women don't "get together," there will be no children anyway. Or does she believe they are found in the cabbage patch?
On May 14, 2009 11:11 AM, wheatdogg posted:
I've seen her "lingerie" photos. Those poses are not the kind you seen in the JC Penney catalog. How does Miss Prissy Christian reconcile seminude, suggestive photos and her chaste Christian party line inside her little pea brain?
The photos and the implants could be considered very Christian since they make her more attractive to men and help men objectify her. Plus, they help her get ahead in the world. And that is what counts. In other words, she's a liar. Jesus said not to be a hypocrite, but rules are for little people.
Remember the Christian Decision Tree:
1. Other people's lives are simple, and therefore easy to condemn.
2. Mine is complex and needs to be looked at in context.
3. Amend rules as needed or desired.
What gets me is how the rightwingers fawn over this girl like she's the next Goddess of the GOP. She can be as dumb as a post, say anything as inane as the quote, and still be lauded as long as she rejects same-sex marriage.
Perhaps they have learned the value of prioritization. Besides, she is someone who is anti-gay marriage AND getting media attention.
Posted by: Blue Nine | May 14, 2009 1:19 PM
jay - Admittedly, I only scanned the article, but I didn't see anything about Heddy Lamar being a beauty contestant.
Of course, I have no doubt there are some very intelligent beauty contestants.
Posted by: Taz | May 14, 2009 1:25 PM
Actually, this is called the fundamental attribution error in social psychology, and it certainly not limited to Christians or even religious people. Of course, most people realize they're wrong to some degree, once they actually think about it.
Posted by: catgirl | May 14, 2009 2:09 PM
Pinup Queen Betty Paige was a devout Christian. She's said to have answered similar questions by asserting that the human body is one of His creations and so nothing to be ashamed of. She was reveling the glory of His design. After all, he created Adam and Eve naked in the garden.
Then again she's also reported to have suffered from acute schizophrenia. So perhaps I'm not helping.
Posted by: Abby Normal | May 14, 2009 2:53 PM
In related news, Westboro Baptist is at it again, this time in Missouri; details here.
Posted by: anon | May 14, 2009 3:07 PM
What lingerie would Jesus wear? What pinup poses would Jesus use? What cup size would Jesus want?
Did Prejean ask herself these questions before embarking on her lingerie shoot? Methinks not!
Posted by: Adrienne | May 14, 2009 3:30 PM
Except the Bible explicitly says that while Adam and Eve were naked in the garden of Eden, as soon as they ate the forbidden fruit they noticed their nakedness and became ashamed of it.
Posted by: catgirl | May 14, 2009 3:42 PM
Catgirl, that could be interpreted as an indication that God is okay with nudity. It's the natural state He intended for people and people are only ashamed because of the Devil's trick. So giving in to that shame is part of the Devil ploy and only serves his plans.
But of course I'm not privy to Betty's thoughts. So that's really just a somewhat informed guess. But my post wasn't really about reconciling Christian values and provocative modeling. It was an attempt to pile on with Wheatdogg and imply Carrie Prejean may not be right in the head. That is, it was a joke, which of course I've just ruined by explaining. ;-)
Posted by: Abby Normal | May 14, 2009 4:32 PM
Of course, I have no doubt there are some very intelligent beauty contestants.
Both physical beauty and intelligence occur across a distribution, and are probably not correlated with each other. Only a small fraction of people are at the high end of either distribution, ie. where you find pageant winners or engineering wizards. It follows that the fraction of people who are both highly beautiful and highly intelligent is (small fraction)^2, meaning that in any largish population there will be a few, but not many.
Posted by: Eamon Knight | May 14, 2009 4:32 PM
I can't believe people are still paying attention to this young woman. Who cares what an ignorant teenager thinks about gay marriage? Why would anyone take seriously the views of someone who would willingly enter a beauty contest?
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | May 14, 2009 5:01 PM
Sadie, I'll let Mr. Trump answer that one.
Sad but true.
Posted by: Abby Normal | May 14, 2009 5:24 PM
A reading from the book of bimbo.
Posted by: eddie | May 14, 2009 5:43 PM
"What lingerie would jesus wear?"
Loin cloth and jaggy bunnet was the standard for torture porn. Maybe she wants to work with mel gibson.
Also, re the 2012 rethug lineup, I wouldn't say jenny mccarthy was a star.
Posted by: eddie | May 14, 2009 6:07 PM
abstruse said:
Nicely put. I'm with you. Why should Ed be a repeater of some FI's name? (FI = frivolous nonentity). Give me more Tutu, or give me Story Musgrave, or give me Eric Kandel, or yeah, Hedy Lamarr, or Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga, or even give me Tommy Freakin' Tune, but don't give me more FI's. Our culture is all about FI's. Me no likey. Thanks, people.Posted by: cm | May 14, 2009 6:29 PM
I don't know if actress Jill StJohn ever won a beauty contest but she is alleged to have an IQ of 160. Actress Judy Holiday, who was typecast into playing dimwitted bimbos on the silver screen was also reputed to have a high IQ.
Posted by: SLC | May 14, 2009 6:44 PM
When Noah, the one innocent man that God saved from the flood, found out that his son Ham saw him naked, he cursed his son and their descendents to be slaves. Many other places in the OT and NT speak to the shame of nakedness. Sorry, but the post-Eden Bible is very clear on the shame and wrongness of nakedness.
Posted by: Shygetz | May 14, 2009 7:29 PM
She stated an honest answer and instead of the far left reacting with intelligent debate, they crucified her. The far left moonbats destroyed their chance of intelligence when they smoked those fancy wacky weeds back in the 1960s. No wonder their kids turned out to be Satanic foaming at the mouth homo lover loons. I bet they all see grey aliens probing their own anuses at night. Maybe that explains their fetish with gay unmarriage. Stupid liberals. She had more sense on the day she was born than any of you fanatical militant frauds will ever have. Go protest something, fight with cops, brainwash children, and burn a Hummer or two. Go ahead you know it's in your blood to do so. Stupid liberal eco-geeko-freak terrorists. Go get probed some more. Maybe it's get to your pea brain this time.
Posted by: Derender | May 14, 2009 7:37 PM
How you doin', Poe?
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | May 14, 2009 8:11 PM
@ James Hanley: I think you're confusing Prejean with that other Rethug goddess, Bristol Palin.
Posted by: wheatdogg | May 14, 2009 10:09 PM
Oh, is it stereotype day? I wanna play too!
Ed stated his honest opinion on his own blog and instead of the far right reacting with intelligent debate, they crucified him. The far right wingnuts destroyed their chance of intelligence when they embraced the "greed is good" culture back in the 1980s. No wonder their kids turned out to be Fundamentalist foaming at the mouth bible humping loons. I bet they all see brown illegal aliens probing their own anuses at night. Maybe that explains their fetish with forcing their religion down everyone's throats. Stupid conservatives. Ed had more sense on the day he was born than any of you fanatical militant frauds will ever have. Go protest deficit spending (but only when a democrat does it), fight with ATF agents, brainwash children, and burn a Harry Potter novel or two. Go ahead you know it's in your blood to do so. Stupid conservative ditto-head-jesus-freak terrorists. Go get probed some more. Maybe it's get to your pea brain this time.
Posted by: Imrryr | May 14, 2009 10:34 PM
Derender:
Shorter Imrryr:
You're not going to get to make the beast with Bible Barbie, so go fuck yourself.
Posted by: democommie | May 14, 2009 10:58 PM
Shygetz, as long as you realize we're having a debate about what what a schizophrenic Christian nude model might hypothetically say, I'll gladly play her part. Personally, when I bother to judge biblical interpretations at all, I do so by their results and I have no problem with Betty Page's modeling. But I also have no problem with many contrary interpretations. As they say, I have no horse in this race.
Speaking for Betty, Ham was cursed for failing to honor his father. Ham knew his father would be ashamed to have been seen naked. Remember, Jesus had not yet come to redeem us. So the sin of the garden was still upon him. Ham did not act to cover him. Instead he ran off snicking to tell his brother's, "hey check out dad!" But they were considerate, did not gawk at his shame and instead covered him. Ham failed to respect his father and it was for that reason he was cursed.
Besides, Ham really couldn't have helped stumbling upon him. His father's the one who got drunk and passed out in the vineyard. A just God wouldn't punish Ham for that.
Posted by: Abby Normal | May 14, 2009 10:59 PM
Fancy that,I never knew that they made crash test dummies that could talk. Learn something new every day.
Posted by: wobert | May 14, 2009 11:38 PM
Yeah, but which religion postulates the existence of a just god? Certainly none of the Abrahamic variety meets that description.
Posted by: Wowbagger | May 15, 2009 12:13 AM
The Betty Paige story was interesting, but I don't see how PreJean can believe the same thing. The human body may be one of His creations, but PreJean's body is MANMADE!
Posted by: Amazar | May 15, 2009 7:38 AM
If I were going to burn a book it would be that fraud Darwin's slave endorsement book. Thanks for copying my post. That real bright. Proves you can't think for your self. At least I'm not a fudge-packer backer.
Posted by: Derender | May 15, 2009 8:46 AM
@Derender (#47):
Which one would that be; the one where he expressed his revulsion at slavery and sympathy with slaves? His abolitionist views were held in common with his entire extended family. Look it up some time - even maybe read a book?
Posted by: Robin Levett | May 15, 2009 9:14 AM
@47: Ah, but your precious Good Christian Founders, who, according to you, on another thread, founded America on Biblical Principles (TM), were all slave owners. And this was long before Darwin was even born. Did the Bible not have anything to say about the immorality of slavery? Or did our founders just skip the parts that inconvenienced them (like most conservative Christians do)?
Posted by: Finch | May 15, 2009 9:25 AM
@ Amazar: Ha! Excellent point.
@ Wowbagger, as Betty: [Shocked] May God forgive you for your blasphemy. "He is the Rock, his works are perfect, and all his ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is he." That's from the Bible you know.
(A slap is also not out of the question. Betty was funny that way.)
Posted by: Abby Normal | May 15, 2009 9:34 AM
There's a certain acidic amusement in seeing a right-winger berate someone for not thinking for themself while at the same time repeating mindless derogatory epithets like "fudge packer."
Posted by: gary l. day | May 15, 2009 10:01 AM
"That real bright", indeed. Just as bright as posting a screed full of pathetic liberal stereotypes all compressed into a single paragraph. Your ability to "think" for yourself is really impressing me today. It takes a real genius to label us all as eco-terrorists, satanists, and UFO abduction believers. And well, since you said it's in our blood to burn Hummers, it obviously must be true. Clearly, you haven't spent much time here. I could be like you and say that as a Christian it's in your blood to burn people at the stake, or to give people cyanide laced flavor-aid, but unlike you I'm not that ignorant. But it's all right man, it must be easier to lump everyone you disagree with into a nice big pile for you to hate. That takes a whole lot of original thought, doesn't it?
And "fudge-packer backer"? Ooh, when it rhymes it's extra insulting!
Posted by: Imrryr | May 15, 2009 10:04 AM
@51: That's because he's REBELLING AGAINST POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and all. Heterosexual white Christian men are the only real oppressed minority in America! Who will protect them from the sinister forces of ACORN and the ACLU?
Posted by: Finch | May 15, 2009 10:06 AM
@5:
I have two friends who have entered (and won) pageants, and they're two of the smartest people I know. Then again, we live in the evil godless Northeast...
Posted by: Paul from NH | May 15, 2009 1:42 PM
I've always thought the Ham seeing his father naked was a euphemism for speaking out about child rape.
Posted by: eddie | May 15, 2009 5:32 PM
Not everyone can have real tits like you, Ed.
Posted by: Rudeger | May 15, 2009 7:08 PM
"I could be like you and say that as a Christian it's in your blood to burn people at the stake, or to give people cyanide laced flavor-aid, but unlike you I'm not that ignorant."
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Actually you are. Have you ever seen a conservative burn an American flag? Not hardly. Only the militant far left creeps do this sort of thing.
Have you ever seen a conservative burn a Hummer dealership? Nope! Just the eco-terrorists/communist tree huggers at ELF - probably backed by the ACLU - another terrorist organization in my book.
Burned at the stake? Nah, that too humane for some.
We like to have fun with them for a couple of months first.
ELF = Earth Liberation Front?
Nah, ELF = Egghead Liberal F**K-ups.
ACLU = A**Hole Communist Liberators United
Cyanide is too easy too. That's a not a proper death. Like I said we like to play for a little while first.
However, I have heard of putting Malathon or spectracide or Loraban in the cavity of hollow point bullets and waxing over it. Makes a hell of a round . The instant it penetrates your blood stream in flooded with poison.If the EPA eggheads bans it we can still use anit-freeze or Chlorox. Most chemicals will do - preferably if they are mixed.
So no, burning at the stake is outdated. I prefer more human approaches.
A spectracide / Chlorox laced large caliber round is a very formidable foe to burglars and other criminals - they might escape, they they won't go far - and it saves us all money. We don't have to feed them and clothe them for life in prison.
I would never use it unless I was attacked though. It's illegal and actually as dangerous to the person who owns the round as it is the one who recieves it if he/she is not very careful.
Most liberals think that we conservatives are dangerous, but if you realize it and think about it, how many people in prison are your run of the mill conservative and how many are atheistic liberals? Go ahead and count. I bet you find out that we are not as dangerous as you.
Hope I didn't scare you too much, but I had to answer your questions and concern over burning at the stake honestly.
Once again, I do not endorse burning at the stake ( or in yor case, burning at the Hummer).
Posted by: Derender | May 15, 2009 8:21 PM
Rudeger: What makes you so sure they're real?
Posted by: kehrsam | May 15, 2009 8:29 PM
Goddammit!!! Derender totally fried my loon alert meter - and with his very first comment no less.
Derender - when the gentlemen from the hospital arrive, just do as they say and they will make everything better. They're just going to take you somewhere to keep the rest of us sa...I mean you safe.
Seriously though, you are a grade A motherfucking whackaloon. Truly and magnificently insane and not a healthsome, nice sort of insane...
Posted by: DuWayne | May 15, 2009 8:45 PM
Posted by: Dan J | May 15, 2009 8:49 PM
Right, Derender, James Adkisson, Chad Altman, Albert Brock, Chad Castagana, Donald Cooper, Frank Eugene Corder, John Cummings, Matthew Derosia, Francisco Martin Duran, Buford Furrow, Tharin Robert Gartrell and associates, Michael F. Griffin, Paul Jennings Hill, Timothy Dale Johnson, Bradley T. Kahle, Japes Kopp, Keith Luke, David McMenemy, Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, Stephen L. MorganRichard Poplawski, Eric Rudolph, John Salvi, Shelley Shannon, Martin Uphoff, and Clayton Waagner are all isolate incidents.
Yeah, sure we burn the occasional flag. You monsters kill people. I'm sure prisons are just stuffed with atheists, that must be why we hear about them on the news so often.
Posted by: Bachalon | May 15, 2009 8:52 PM
Isn't it great to live in a country where mediocre non-entities can rise to the status of celebrities? Just as Sarah Palin and Joe the "plumber" seemed at long last to be fading into the background, now we have Carrie Prejean to offer up her pearls of wisdom. Sheesh!
Posted by: Raymond Minton | May 15, 2009 8:56 PM
Actually these people like Palin and Prejean and Joe the Plumber would not be celebreties if it were not for the left wing media. Actually liberals made them celebreties by showing them on tv so much. If they were ignored, they would go away. So, in a sense, it's your own fault that they have so much footing with commoners like myself. Your media elites actually do us a favor every time they criticize a conservative. it gives us more strength and more resolve for the next time around. It's like a pep rally.
Posted by: Derender | May 15, 2009 9:21 PM
Derender: I have only witnessed two flag burnings in my life, despite spending an inordinate amount of time. Both were committed by White Power demonstrators; I'm guessing they were not liberals.
Furthermore, as a lawyer I have met many people who served time in prison. While they represent a pretty fair cross-section of society, I can assure you that Liberals are not over-represented. But what are facts to an all-knowing one such as yourself?
Posted by: kehrsam | May 15, 2009 9:22 PM
White Power demonstators are not around like they used to be either. The people burning flags (and Hummers) are most often insane eco-freak terrorists. If you witnessed a flag burning, then you might have been in the wrong place my friend. I think it would be time for me to move I saw a crime like that. Then again, my flag is a confederate one anyway and don;t give me that same ole classroom professor crap about the confederate flag being racist. It's no more racist than Planned Parenthood trying willingly targeting black and hispanics for abortion - aka trying to control the black and hispanic population. The modern day white supremicists are Planned Parenthood.
Take a look at real history, not revised liberal professor history. The confederate flag was the flag of a rebellion against the North beucase of STATES RIGHTS!
Slavery was not the issue at hand when the civil war started, but was by the time it ended.
Slavery would have eventually been abolished anyway as well it should have been. I may be called a fundie, but I highly disagree with slavery. it is inhumae and very wrong. I cannot chnage the past and what my ancestors done. But I do support states right and as a proud NRA southerner I do still consider myself a rebel and hope my state continues the rebel heritage - especially when it comes to government forced unions at work (Employee Free Choice Act). I'll be one till the day I die.
Posted by: Right Winger | May 15, 2009 9:37 PM
Because Fox and CNN never showed them at all...
The number of atheists in prison, by the most up-to-date statistics I know of, is about 0.2% of the prison population.
They don't mention what fraction of that 0.2% is liberal.
Posted by: DaveL | May 15, 2009 9:37 PM
I'll be one till the day I die.
Posted by: Right Winger | May 15, 2009 9:37 PM
You'll be a fucking moron till the day you die, shit4brains.
Posted by: democommie | May 15, 2009 9:56 PM
Derender, lying sack of shit:
Well, for one thing, I'M not the one planning the use of illegal chemical weapons. USUALLY, the guy who fantasizes about murdering his neighbors and overthrowing the government and stockpiles weapons for the purpose is regarded as less "patriot" and more "dangerous nutcase about to go on a killing spree".
Derender's masturbatory fantasies of poisoning people:
And for another, studies on religious beliefs of prisoners tend to show that less than a quarter of a percent are atheists. Using the lowest estimates for percentage of atheists in the general population, atheists in prison are underrepresented by at least a factor of thirty-two. Of course, you're obviously far too stupid to ever be able to grasp what that means.
So have a hearty helping of "go fuck yourself" with a little "get the hell out of my country you traitorous swine" on the side, Derender!
Posted by: phantomreader42 | May 15, 2009 9:56 PM
None of our right-wing friends have answered my question:
If the United States was founded by devout Christians, under Christian principles, why did allow slavery?
I mean, yeah, I could understand the whole "women can't vote" bit because the Bible says the ladies have to sit in the back of the church and never talk, but I don't remember anything in the New Testament about how it's totally cool to own a plantation full of slaves, who you can beat and rape whenever you want.
Posted by: Finch | May 15, 2009 10:33 PM
Have you ever seen a member of the ELF bomb the Centennial Park in Atlanta? Or the Oklahoma Federal Building? Nope. Didn't think so. But since you only seem to care about flags and Hummers getting burnt I guess you might not give a damn about acts of terrorism in which people actually get killed. And no, I'm not frightened of you, even with your macho posturing about clorox and hollow point bullets. Get help dude, or go fuck yourself, whichever you prefer.
Posted by: Imrryr | May 15, 2009 10:38 PM
Finch @ #69:
I can answer that easily, and I'm not even a right-winger!
The answer is: christian morality isn't worth shit!
The bible does not bother to condemn slavery, in fact admonishing slaves to treat their slavery as the will of almighty god. Christians didn't have a problem with slavery for about 1800 years. Christians also had no trouble with murdering their neighbors for crimes that never happened, which may well be one of the reasons the founding fathers made a point of NOT using government to enforce religion. They knew what kind of atrocities that leads to.
The United States is not a christian nation, it was never meant to be, and no sane person would want it to be. A christian nation would wholeheartedly endorse slavery, genocide, and all manner of oppression, many of them did so for centuries.
Posted by: phantomreader42 | May 15, 2009 11:45 PM
The conservatives amongst us sure have got their priorities straight:
concern for saving poorly-designed motor vehicles and rectangles of colourful cloth easily beats concern over saving the only known high-intelligence life (and it's supporting biota) in the entire universe.
Don't tell me you're having trouble with the "conserve" part of conservative again? - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | May 16, 2009 12:53 AM
@Right Winger #65:
States don't have rights over slaves - notwithstanding the Fugitive Slaves Act.
Posted by: Robin Levett | May 16, 2009 7:32 AM
Boy, youse guys are being hard on the poor KKKonservative KKKristian KKKommandos in this thread! They came here with their loins all girded up with KKKonservalogiKKK and their bandoliers full of dumb-dumb bullets and STILL they got slapped around, just like they probably do at work and home.
Posted by: democommie | May 16, 2009 8:30 AM
Derender "A spectracide / Chlorox laced large caliber round is a very formidable foe to burglars and other criminals..."
You do know that you're statistically more likely to shoot a member of your own family than you are a burglar, right? "Family values" does not mean "I just shot my daughter".
DaveL "The number of atheists in prison, by the most up-to-date statistics I know of, is about 0.2% of the prison population."
That's because most of them find Jesus there. There's nothin' like misery to bring new souls to the Lord (note: brown or swarthy people may substitute Allah for Yahweh).
"They don't mention what fraction of that 0.2% is liberal."
All the ones in temporary gay-marriages, I assume.
democommie ..."and [they] STILL they got slapped around, just like they probably do at work and home."
So, you're admitting that they're oppressed. Remember, not getting everything you want is oppression. Oppression!
Posted by: Modusoperandi | May 17, 2009 3:43 PM
Being still-unmarried and not finding myself viewing some of these people's marriages with anything like admiration, I'm wondering why they expect me to care?
Posted by: Jon Lester | May 17, 2009 3:53 PM
That explanation, even if true, would still leave us scratching our heads at high recidivism rates:
http://www.charlottesvillenewsplex.tv/news/headlines/12518451.html
Posted by: DaveL | May 17, 2009 4:52 PM
DaveL "That explanation, even if true, would still leave us scratching our heads at high recidivism rates:"
Well, clearly that means once they get out they the devil overwhelms their tenuous connection to the Holy Spirit after they hear about gay marriage or they read the book jacket to that Dawkins book or Obama passes FOCA or they join a union or they see a booby on the TV or...
Posted by: Modusoperandi | May 18, 2009 9:57 AM