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Imagine how crazed one has to be to think that Sarah Palin is too liberal. No, don't imagine it - just read it. Where can you read it? At the Worldnutdaily, of course.
While the media fireworks temporarily pushed Michael Jackson coverage off the front page, Palin naysayers like NBC's Andrea Mitchell opined that perhaps she was missing family life after a tiring stint of politics.Fat chance of that.
Palin is an avowed feminist. As such, her husband and children have to fall in line behind her career goals. If everyday actions speak louder than words, then she holds more affinity with her pro-abortion feminist sisters than with her conservative sisters nursing babies at home.
Oh, but this screed was just beginning:
It came close to sounding as though Palin's family was a priority when she said, "...every American understands what it takes to make a decision because it's right for all, including your family." She also stated, "...we know we can effect positive change outside government" and "actually make a difference."Was Palin talking about "the hand that rocks the cradle" kind of difference that celebrates motherhood and the value of children, not only inside the womb, but outside as well?
Palin's history over the past 17 years tells another story. Three years after the birth of the first of her five children, she entered the rough-and-tumble world of Alaska (and eventually national) politics and has never looked back.
Has America become so emasculated that our only hope of getting another Ronald Reagan into the Oval Office is to idolize Palin as a political Madonna? Hardly.
Do we have no men who can match her intelligence, charisma and leadership skills? To the contrary, we have better.
Have conservatives become so desperate for a passionate leader that they forsake their most basic values of home and hearth? Yes, but it's more than that.
Sarah Palin represents the empirical self of millions of women working outside the home. They live vicariously through her supposed success. Seeing such a woman extolled gives credibility to their frantic lifestyle juggling job, children, husband, church, and housework.
It has been said that part of Palin's appeal is that her family is like so many other families. She is today's American woman, who works outside the home and does it all. Whose daughters get pregnant out-of-wedlock. Whose husbands wear the aprons.
Have we gone insane? Is this something to celebrate?
Let me translate all that for you: "Get back in the kitchen where you belong!"
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Wow. Just wow.
"Rough and tumble world of Alaska politics". Are politics in Alaska that rough, really?
And actually, the media leaked the fact that Sarah did NOT ask Todd's permission to run for Vice President before she accepted McCain's offer, so that's yet another way in which she's an anti-feminist. To WND readers, that is.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 9:32 AM
I strongly suspect that this emotional reaction to Palin runs fairly deep in a lot of her conservative base. I can only imagine what James Dobson really thinks of her.
Of course, none of the far right loons would have expressed these feelings while she was apparently "on her way up".
It's telling that this article has appeared only when it seems her political career is well and truly over.
Posted by: Rick R | July 10, 2009 9:43 AM
Adrienne stated:
The way Palin played and many others played, yes. There were and are competing factions within the Alaskan Republican party regarding power, corruption, and cronyism. Her supposed reform efforts on the state commission were motivated not by principle, but instead revenge for not being tapped to run for the Senate position currently held by Lisa Murkowski, which I believe Palin wanted far more than governor given it got her out of Alaska and where Palin believes she was promised that position by the then leaders of the party within the state.
Upon becoming governor, this competition within the party had her leveraging Democrats in the state legislature more than Republicans prior to being tapped by McCain. In fact, some of the ethics complaints against her have emanated out of the Murkowski faction of the state GOP.
Posted by: Michael Heath | July 10, 2009 9:54 AM
I read once that crazy groups are rarely very effective, in large part because they spend so much time fighting each other. For example, the KKK has split into 2 factions, who spend a fair amount of time shooting at each others' trailers. If the wingnuts are going to thrash each other about Palin being too feminist, I'm going to be laughing for quite a while.
Posted by: steve s | July 10, 2009 9:54 AM
The article is signed Olivia St John? A woman? What is she doing writing articles, instead of preparing dinner in the kitchen where she belongs?
Posted by: Christophe Thill | July 10, 2009 9:57 AM
I read a comment at FreeRepublic where the commenter opined that Palin resigned and I paraphrase, "perhaps because her husband finally took control of his family".
Posted by: Michael Heath | July 10, 2009 9:57 AM
Rick R@2:
It's telling that this article has appeared only when it seems her political career is well and truly over.
To be fair, there were some Conservative Christians criticizing Palin as "feminist" and "unfeminine and unmotherly" even back when she seemed like a viable VP candidate. I'm almost positive that even WND had at least one article critical of her "feminism" and questioning her commitment to her family back then.
But they were certainly almost drowned out by the RR'ers who were falling all over themselves to cheer Palin and to claim that there was no conflict between her Christianity and her political career, including Dobson and Ralph Reed.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 10:03 AM
Forget about palin, this guy's whole thing was one long "Are you stupid? Does your Mother know you are stupid?"
Transparent setup, false dilemna.
It is telling however that when he thinks of Palin, he thinks of sucking on tits.
Posted by: rpsms | July 10, 2009 10:03 AM
A FreeRepublic commenter argued that Palin's resignation was motivated, and I paraphrase, "perhaps because her husband finally took control of his family".
Posted by: Michael Heath | July 10, 2009 10:04 AM
@8:
It is telling however that when he thinks of Palin, he thinks of sucking on tits.
The writer is not a "he", but a "she".
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 10:04 AM
Dammit! World Nut Daily is costing me a fortune in irony meters. That story just fried another one.
Posted by: Scott | July 10, 2009 10:25 AM
"But we loves the Palin."
"No, we hates it!"
"Nice Palin! Good Palin!"
"Nasty, scheming womeneses!"
Posted by: Alex, FCD | July 10, 2009 10:25 AM
Alex @ 12:
Which leads to the image of them holding a disembodied vagina symbol and chanting "My Precious!".
Which is a rather disturbingly accurate description of their anti-woman behavior...
Posted by: NJ | July 10, 2009 10:35 AM
Oh my dear, the Palin saga "ick factor" just gets bigger and ickier....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090710/ap_on_re_us/us_palin_resignation
Posted by: Rick R | July 10, 2009 10:38 AM
Do we have no men who can match her intelligence, charisma and leadership skills? To the contrary, we have better.
I'm pretty sure better could be found in the local unemployment office.
Posted by: dogmeatIB | July 10, 2009 10:42 AM
Two small gripes about an article filled to overflowing with the stupid,
Gee, sometimes right-wing writers give you a person's middle name, and sometimes they don't. I can't imagine why...
This comment just pisses me off. Women voluntarily put their lives on the line to protect us and Olivia St. John believes this is something to be ashamed of. I don't call that "common sense", I call it sexist bullshit.
I pity Olivia's homeschooled children... 1 Timothy says "I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence." So, her boys won't be learning much, and if she has any girls, I doubt they're getting an education at all. But they won't need one if they just pumping out babies so that those babies will eventually grow up to have more babies.
Posted by: Imrryr | July 10, 2009 10:45 AM
"Seeing such a woman extolled gives credibility to their frantic lifestyle juggling job, children, husband, church, and housework."
and when they have to drop a few of the ball, the feminathenazis opt to unload church, hubby and housework to concentrate on making a living to support their babies.
Posted by: democommie | July 10, 2009 10:46 AM
Further proof that the American far right wing and the Taliban are of the same mind.
Posted by: Paul_S | July 10, 2009 10:50 AM
'Do we have no men who can match her intelligence, charisma and leadership skills? To the contrary, we have better.'
What a surprisingly nice thing to say about Al Franken!
Posted by: stoat100 | July 10, 2009 10:50 AM
I posted about the elite left's treatment of Palin at my blog. For reference, it's similar to HalfSigma and Steve Sailer.
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2009/07/palin-and-flyover-country-whites.html
Posted by: OneSTDV | July 10, 2009 10:50 AM
I'm pretty sure better could be found in the local unemployment office.
I'm pretty sure better could be found growing in the back of my refrigerator!
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 10:58 AM
My personal favorite bit:
"Do we have no men who can match her intelligence, charisma and leadership skills? To the contrary, we have better."
Firstly, the contrary assertion from "Haven't we any...?" would be "yes, we do have...?", not "we have better". It would be the contrary if the first clause started: "Do we have only worse male candidates...?*".
Secondly, the answer to the question posed is clearly "who are you kidding, lady? We are talking about the GOP in 2009, right? If you could merge together the combined intelligence of all the GOP 'luminaries' into one body, you'd not have enough smarts to make up an imbecile." - DJ
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*Or something like that
Posted by: DingoJack | July 10, 2009 10:58 AM
Kinder, Küche, Kirche... that's our conservative movement.
Posted by: Don K | July 10, 2009 11:02 AM
On the other hand, we should all be relieved. When WND turns its back on Palin, that's a sure sign that she's done.
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | July 10, 2009 11:07 AM
Ouch, that's going to leave a mark. The cruelest barbs are often delivered from behind.
On one hand it is sour grapes. We knew all along that she just wasn't our candidate. She wasn't really one of us. Which would be far more convincing if it was delivered before her political career crashed and burned.
On the other hand it brings light to how the right really feels about women. How their claims of allowing women choices and an opportunity for a career, just like the liberals don't you know, is just posturing. In the end women are expected to be dependent birthing machines that stay at home, suckle kids, provide an endless fountain of unconditional love and make their husbands feel like real men when they aren't snorting speed and meeting their gay lovers.
It's "God's plan".
The question is if the women of this nation are going to go along with it.
The part about worshiping the vagina isn't right. The vagina is seen by the religious right as dirty, a corrupting source of addictive pleasure and an attraction that draws righteous men away from holiness. The correct focus is on the uterus, the holy womb. Nurturing and self sacrificing motherhood at its best. The root of the term woman.
Posted by: Art | July 10, 2009 11:21 AM
OneSTDV: Okay, I went to your site and read the article.
I don't know anyone who ridicules Palin for her rural roots -- we ridicule her for her ignorance and provincial attitudes. We don't have a problem with her hunting -- we have a problem with her shooting wolves from a helicopter. We don't laugh at her folksy (and contrived) Alaskan accent -- we laugh at the labyrinthine sentence structures that reveal an incoherence of thought.
Take the same things we ridicule in Palin, transplant them to a New Yawker, and the ridicule will continue as if we never noticed the new face and hair.
Note that by "we", I do not include paid media celebrities whose goal is to increase viewership rather than to honestly assess Palin's actual character and competence. I mean the progressives, liberals and other free-thinkers with whom I deal on a regular basis -- a few hundred East Coast elites here where I live, Inside The Beltway.
Posted by: xebecs | July 10, 2009 11:29 AM
Umm, I'm pretty sure it's actually 1980's woman. For god's sake, catch up.
Posted by: Gretchen | July 10, 2009 11:32 AM
xebecs @26:
I don't know anyone who ridicules Palin for her rural roots -- we ridicule her for her ignorance and provincial attitudes.
There was another recent Dispatches post re: Palin with a comment that referred to the white social conservatives who love Palin as "rednecks".
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 11:36 AM
Um...right. Wow.
Yeah, I guess some people still think that way.
Posted by: Mobius | July 10, 2009 11:42 AM
Adrienne @28:
Okay, sure. But one swallow does not a summer make.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I think I would pick up on it if there was a significant amount of condescension in the comments of my friends.
Though I grew up in the suburbs, my parents are both from small town Iowa. My extended family all lived on farms while I was growing up. "Summer vacation" meant driving up to Iowa to spend a week or two on one or more farms.
Rural folks have it about as bad as anyone in this country. They get screwed over by just about everyone, and as far as I can tell it has nothing to do with their beliefs.
There will always be those who go for the low blow, but the idea that the "elites" (that would be me: Inside The Beltway, Ivy League education, liberal, female, gay, professional) laugh at those redneck hillbillies, ha ha ha, is just baloney.
Posted by: xebecs | July 10, 2009 11:51 AM
I'm glad to see that Ms. St John was able to work a mention of homosexuality into her column. Right before reminding us that the last time a man followed a woman's advice it resulted in the fall of all humanity. Good times.
She ends by saying "the hand that rocks the cradle is the hand that rules the world." So women shouldn't try to be in charge outside the home because by never leaving the home they're actually the ones in charge outside the home? I would think she'd like Palin, they seem to use the same logic.
Posted by: peaches | July 10, 2009 12:01 PM
The process may be going like this:
1. "Bush is a true Conservative! Glory be!"
2. "Bush has failed to run the country properly? He's not a REAL conservative!"
3. "McCain is a true Conservative! Glory be!"
4. "McCain has failed to be elected President? He's not a REAL Conservative!
5. "Palin is a true Conservative! Glory be!"
6. "Palin has failed to be our political savior? She's not a REAL Conservative!
This is why I have started to believe American left wingers when they say their opponents operate a "circular firing squad". Republicans' infighting and their ideological "urge to purge" would almost put Stalinist Russia to shame.
Posted by: ABM | July 10, 2009 12:07 PM
@OneSTDV: Dude, you're kidding, right? We mocked Palin as a hick in the deepest south for chrissake. Why do you think that was? Could it be because she *is* a stupid hick? A person utterly devoid of intellectual curiousity? That thinks books are for burning? I'm pretty sure that's why we did it.
Anyone that uses the phrase "elitist" is generally full of shit.
I kept wondering when the conservative "Get your ass back in the kitchen and take care of your husband and make babies!" reflex was going to kick in.
@Adrienne: A lot of them were rednecks. Not all rednecks liked her, so I didn't usually call her admirers that. I use the far more accurate term: "Stupid people"
Posted by: JThompson | July 10, 2009 12:11 PM
Palin has become an albatross and the republican leadership is desperate to ditch her. The GOP's problem is that the base loves her. This article is just an attempt to discredit her to the base. Tellingly, they don't try to discredit Palin by calling her erratic and illiterate, but rather by appealing to naked sexism, which says volumes about the attack's intended audience.
Posted by: Neal | July 10, 2009 12:23 PM
xebecs @30:
Okay, sure. But one swallow does not a summer make.
True, true.
There will always be those who go for the low blow, but the idea that the "elites" (that would be me: Inside The Beltway, Ivy League education, liberal, female, gay, professional) laugh at those redneck hillbillies, ha ha ha, is just baloney.
Eh, while I think that those good "flyover" conservatives who say (re: the "elites") that "they HATE us" are mistaken, I do think there is some truth to the belief that we on the coasts who are affluent and educated do tend to look down our noses at our more rural and unsophisticated "country cousins" in the flyover areas.
Especially those who are quite unsophisticated and think Sarah Palin is the Second Coming (while ironically ridiculing Obama supporters as worshipping "the One").
JThompson @33:
A lot of them were rednecks.
Hey, if you're going for a perjorative, at least use the PC version: "Appalachian American". ;-)
Not all rednecks liked her, so I didn't usually call her admirers that. I use the far more accurate term: "Stupid people"
Hear, hear.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 12:26 PM
I too went to OneSTDV's site. As he implied in his comment, he is an admirer of Steve Sailer, one of our supposedly 'intellectual racists.' I'm sure if he sticks around, his comments will get all the 'respect' they deserve.
Posted by: Prup (aka Jim Benton) | July 10, 2009 12:33 PM
adrienne: I still think you are missing the point.
It is *them* that we ridicule. I just don't see much in the way of ridicule of the rest.
But this may just be a matter of perspective, or selective perception, or membership bias. So it's hard to say.
Posted by: xebecs | July 10, 2009 12:36 PM
It is *them* that we ridicule. I just don't see much in the way of ridicule of the rest.
Ah, OK OK. Point taken.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 12:46 PM
Xebecs @37, one more thought, though:
I'm still bothered by the use of the label "rednecks" to deride Palin supporters. If you're going to deride them solely for their stupidity in loving Palin, then why use a culturally and racially based perjorative to do so? Why not just call them "stupid"?
I mean, if there were a large number of Asian Palin supporters, we probably wouldn't deride them as "chinks" or "gooks" or whatever, even if we're using that term ONLY in the context of criticizing these Asians' support of her.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 12:50 PM
OK, you're right, though....ultimately this was just one insult by one commenter. I'm probably making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 12:53 PM
What is that uppity woman doing writing a column when she should be at home taking care of her quiverfull of babies? And why would WND even let a woman write for them? Aren't there any men out there who could do the same job?
I just hope Palin remembers this the next time she starts whining about the Big, Bad, Liberal Media(TM) being all sexist towards her. I don't remember any liberal media outlet saying anything nearly as bad as this nonsense from the conservative side.
Posted by: catgirl | July 10, 2009 12:53 PM
ABM@#32:
What you're describing is as old as Moses: the proof of a True Prophet is that his prophecies come true -- and therefore you should have listened to him. That's the basis of Jonah's bitch: he gets set up to prophesy ruin, no options in the contract, and then (time after time) the ruin doesn't arrive as delivered leaving him holding the bag.
So along come the New Messiahs, each promising to deliver the Faithful to the Promised Land (and incidentally delivering ruin on all of the Apostate.) Ruin doesn't come as promised, they're fakes, stone them.
Posted by: D. C. Sessions | July 10, 2009 1:08 PM
How do they know Todd Palin didn't tell the little woman to go into politics?
Posted by: Raging Bee | July 10, 2009 1:18 PM
Posted by: mark | July 10, 2009 1:31 PM
Before we get all smug here, ABM (#32) - remember, the left can do a pretty good circular firing-squad too! Idiotic self-recrimination is a human behaviour that is independent of politics. - fairly, DJ
Posted by: Dinogojack | July 10, 2009 1:37 PM
The Bible tells of the coming of Gog and Magog. Sarah Palin just leaves me Agog.
Posted by: Squiddhartha | July 10, 2009 1:48 PM
I'm pretty sure better could be found in the local college geology department. Labeled and on shelves.
Posted by: Azkyroth | July 10, 2009 2:29 PM
And frankly, I find Chicago to be as sophisticated as any other large city, and let's not forget that Detroit and Minneapolis have been great sources of musical innovation. As to rural-ness, I'm willing to bet that a rural town in Massachusetts is not fundamentally different than a rural town in Iowa.
Posted by: James Hanley | July 10, 2009 2:31 PM
James Hanley @48:
Unsophisticated about what?
Uhhh...fashion? But seriously, yes, I should have said, "perceived unsophistication".
Indeed, the mocking of flyover country is indicative of the deep ignorance of coastal folks.
No argument there.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 2:41 PM
Emphasis mine. This is perfectly consistent.
Posted by: Azkyroth | July 10, 2009 3:01 PM
But Azkyroth, "redneck" doesn't just mean "being ignorant and having provincial attitudes".
It has a clear racial and socioeconomic connotation.
Per Wikipedia:
Princeton's WWW dictionary puts it more succintly:
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 3:05 PM
"Proudly ignorant, parochial, xenophobic, bigoted white" has always been my working definition. The "racial" connotation I'll grant.
Posted by: Azkyroth | July 10, 2009 3:31 PM
adrienne @ 37: I didn't use the term "redneck", nor did I defend its use. Perhaps you might want to address that particular issue to another poster?
Posted by: xebecs | July 10, 2009 3:42 PM
adrienne @ 37: I didn't use the term "redneck", nor did I defend its use. Perhaps you might want to address that particular issue to another poster?
No no, I never thought you used that term, xebecs. I didn't mean to imply that you ever did.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 3:45 PM
Azkyroth @52:
"Proudly ignorant, parochial, xenophobic, bigoted white" has always been my working definition. The "racial" connotation I'll grant.
Then it's effectively a racial slur, and as such, I don't think we should use it. I won't, at least.
Posted by: Adrienne | July 10, 2009 3:57 PM
As a person with affection for both the terms "redneck" and "white trash" and many of the people who fit those descriptions, I am saddened by this exchange.
Jeff Foxworthy identifies as a redneck. He might be annoying, but I certainly doubt he's poor and I don't know if he's xenophobic or not. Joe Bageant, author of "Deer Hunting With Jesus," identifies as a redneck by virtue of being a white guy from a small town in Virginia who likes to shoot guns, wear overalls, and drink beer, but his book is all about how other rednecks' ignorance and myopia has worked against their own interests politically. A very bright guy (and the book is definitely a good read).
It's one of those words that you can apply to yourself and others like you and it's just a description of similar lifestyle and state of mind, but also works as a term of condemnation and--yes-- elitism. Being Southern, poor, and white doesn't make you evil, stupid, or Republican. The complexity of words, and of people, is much bigger than that.
Posted by: Gretchen | July 10, 2009 4:00 PM
Being Southern, poor, and white doesn't make you evil, stupid, or Republican.
But, as recent election results have confirmed, southern, white, and poor are symptoms... ;o)
Posted by: dogmeatIB | July 10, 2009 4:15 PM
I like the bit where they say that their claim that women are supposed to stay home and raise the family "has nothing to do with equality."
I read this as something one level of decency above 'I'm not a racist, but I know black people are inferior and prone to violence.'
I hear the old 'equal but different' line from social conservatives trying to defend their more sexist views a lot. I have yet to find a practical argument to use. I have many that are excellent on purely logical grounds - the problem is they all take many paragraphs to explain, and the typical social conservative just stares blankly, maybe skims very quickly, and then repeats the claim I just argued against once more, unaltered.
Posted by: Suricou Raven | July 10, 2009 4:46 PM
Art, @25, said:
Citation needed. Wikipedia thinks it comes from an Old English word "wifman" (whence also "wife").
Posted by: Douglas McClean | July 10, 2009 6:37 PM
If the WingNutDaily wants to post something blatantly sexist, they'll get a female writer for it so they can say, "See? It's by a woman! We're not sexist!"
It's the same when they want to say something blatantly racist. Find a black person willing to say it.
Posted by: Wes | July 10, 2009 8:27 PM
I'm surprised the author of the article didn't call Palin out for being "pro-choice." After all, when Palin spoke about learning that the baby she was expecting would have special needs, she said she chose to go through with the pregnancy. That's what being pro-choice is all about -- making a choice.
Posted by: Gerry L | July 11, 2009 1:15 AM
Redneck:
From Answers.com
n. Offensive Slang.
Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.
From FreeDictionary.com:
red·neck (rdnk)
n. Offensive Slang
1. Used as a disparaging term for a member of the white rural laboring class, especially in the southern United States.
2. A white person regarded as having a provincial, conservative, often bigoted attitude.
From Merriam Webster Online:
Main Entry: red·neck
Pronunciation: \ˈred-ˌnek\
Function: noun
Date: 1830
1 sometimes disparaging : a white member of the Southern rural laboring class
2 often disparaging : a person whose behavior and opinions are similar to those attributed to rednecks
From YourDictionary.com:
redneck definition
☆ red·neck or red-neck red′·-neck′ (red′nek′)
noun
Slang a poor, white, rural Southerner, often, specif., one regarded as ignorant, bigoted, violent, etc.: often a derogatory term
Etymology: from the characteristic sunburned neck acquired in the fields by farm laborers
There is also a definition employed by some folks (at least in the greater Nashville, TN area) that dates back to the era of the Scots battles against England in the 17th and 18th centuries--one of which some of them are quite proud--that has to do with being on the losing side of that debacle.
As for East and West Coast elites. I've lived in NE, MA, NH, FL and NY. I've spent some time driving through, and chatting up folks in, about 40 states. Rednecks are certainly not confined to the rural south and the middle of the country. The area of NY that I live in, up near Lake Ontario is pretty conservative and well larded with teh stoopid. I find the same thing to be true most everywhere--people that are asshats from the right call everyone who disagrees with them an "eastern elite" or whatever pejorative is currently in popular use for "liberals"; those asshats from the left return the favor, employing terms such as "redneck".
Sarah Palin is, like George W. Bush, an anti-intellectual who is sly and crafty, but disdains real education as a sign of weakness.
Posted by: democommie | July 11, 2009 7:18 AM
There are two Indo-European roots meaning, "woman." The first is *gʰwiH₁bʰ-, which as Douglas McClean notes is the source for the English, "woman" and "wife." The other is, "*gʷḗn," from which is derived the Greek "guni" and in English becomes, "cunt."
In most IE languages, both words have a variety of meanings in addition to "woman." Both can refer to either the female sex organ, the uterus, or a prostitute. For an example, see Lysistrata, which uses "guni" for all of these meanigs.
/pedantry
Posted by: kehrsam | July 11, 2009 8:46 AM
"Rough and tumble world of Alaska politics?"
Amateurs; let 'em try Illinois on for rough politics. We got some guys who know guys, if you know what I mean.
Posted by: george.w | July 11, 2009 7:11 PM