Ed Brayton is a journalist, commentator and speaker. He is the co-founder and president of 
Lifelong Republican and over-the-hill crooner Andy Williams bashes President Obama as a Marxist in a foreign publication. In a new interview with the Radio Times, a British magazine, Williams goes all Glenn Beck:
"Don't like him at all," he said, "I think he wants to create a socialist country. The people he associates with are very Left-wing. One is registered as a Communist."Obama is following Marxist theory. He's taken over the banks and the car industry. He wants the country to fail."
Come on all you Branson-visiting, Andy Williams-loving uber-patriots. Let's hear you go after Williams the way you did the Dixie Chicks. What's that I hear? Crickets? That's what I thought.
Personally, I couldn't possibly care any less who criticizes what president or where they do it. The only thing I care about is whether the criticism is accurate or not. But I'd like to see just a little consistency out of all those right-wing nuts whose only currency is faux outrage.
We can easily see a pattern developing here. It's a terrible thing to criticize the president "on foreign soil" -- unless they don't like that president, then it's okay. This is virtually identical to all that nonsense about supporting the troops and supporting the president during wartime.
When Democrats objected to the invasion of Iraq, criticized it in Congress or voted to place any restrictions on it or put any exit strategy in place, the right wing all but called them traitors for not "supporting the troops" and for undermining President Bush when American soldiers were putting their lives on the line in a foreign land.
But of course, when President Clinton was in office, Republicans had no problem with trying to force the withdrawal of American troops from Kosovo and Somalia and no problem criticizing the American president while soldiers were risking their lives abroad. Because they don't really mean any of this crap, it's just a convenient excuse to evade criticism when they hold power. When the other party holds power, it magically disappears. And I'm sure I'm a traitor for questioning that too.
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Claudine Longet shot the wrong guy.
Posted by: democommie | September 30, 2009 9:29 AM
Plus, I love how he makes these comments in a British magazine....like they're not more socialist than we are?
And who cares what Andy Williams thinks? Old rich white guy only thinking about himself.
Posted by: Boudica | September 30, 2009 9:34 AM
FYI, the Radio Times is published by the BBC. Slightly ironic that he gave this tirade to a magazine published by a bunch of liberal-left commie socialist pinko tree-hugging tofu-weaving etc. etc. etc...
Posted by: Philbert | September 30, 2009 9:36 AM
It hurts to hear this.
Because I and many others feel that Obama is slewing right and conservative. I mean, he is... he always was a moderate insider-dealing Chicago politician, who brought some "hope" but carried plenty of "business as usual" baggage along with it.
Rahm E, Biden, Clinton, Gates, Geitner, Summers.. et al... pluz. okay maybe there were a few people who actually ONCE HAD a progressive thought in their heads, but get real.
Posted by: Kevin (NYC) | September 30, 2009 9:44 AM
Even my fairly conservative wife, with whom I have many fine political... discussions... mentioned to me yesterday that she didn't think Obama was the raving socialist people made him out to be. Of course, she's intellectually honest.
Posted by: Squiddhartha | September 30, 2009 9:54 AM
I am sure Accuracy in Media will be putting out a report like this in reaction to Andy's treason: http://www.aim.org/aim-report/aim-report-some-dared-call-it-treason/
Right?
Posted by: kehrsam | September 30, 2009 9:57 AM
Andy Williams is still alive!!?
Posted by: wheatdogg | September 30, 2009 10:08 AM
Wait, Ed, this isn't a candidate for dumb-ass quote of the day? I mean, doesn't Marxist theory involve the masses rising up against the leadership?
Posted by: CPT_Doom | September 30, 2009 10:12 AM
Andy who? Does anyone under 90 still remember him? Really? and he accomplished what during his lifetime that would qualify him to have an opinion? Excuse me I meant an informed opinion......because an uneducated/unqualified opinion is worthless.
I agree with the first post Claudine Longet shot the wrong man.
Posted by: Lynn McDaniel | September 30, 2009 10:24 AM
Out of interest, who is this registered communist they keep mentioning? Anyone know? Do they know?
And then there is the person in my office who stated clearly that Obama was employing communists in senior positions. He'd heard the 'friends with a communist' comments, heard references to energy czars and such, and put two to two together. And we wonder why the republicans get votes.
Posted by: marcus | September 30, 2009 11:56 AM
Look out for the letters page of the Radio Times in the week following. It does after all have a readership that includes many people who know what socialism is and know something about this Marx fellow as well...
Posted by: Ken | September 30, 2009 12:22 PM
ANDY WILLIAMS showed good taste when he covered my father's #1 1957 hit BUTTERFLY (Andy hit # 1 too) and now shows the wisdom of his years by describing our President for what he is. Good for you Andy! In general, I feel that entertainers should keep their politics to themselves...but in response to Mr. Brayton...notice that Andy did not resort to calling Obama names (remember the thousands of Ad Hominem attacks upon President Bush...including that ficticious film showing his "assassination!") Everything Andy said in that interview is a fact--not an attack on the man himself. Andy wasn't always an " old,rich white guy" but put his talents to good use to make it. The nation Presidnt Obama want to create will ensure there will be forever--FEWER OLD RICH, WHITE AND BLACK GUYS...AND GIRLS TOO!!! THE ROAD TO SURFDOM IS PAVED BY OBAMACARE. GO ANDY!
Posted by: CHARLIE GRACIE, JR. | September 30, 2009 12:52 PM
Shut up and sing! Oh...wait...
Posted by: frank | September 30, 2009 12:56 PM
@CHARLIE GRACIE,JR - This "ROAD TO SURFDOM" you speak of is a blatant attempt by Obama to capture the long ignored beach bum and surfer demographic.
Posted by: IMRRYR | September 30, 2009 1:05 PM
Obamacare will make us all into ho-daddies surfin' in California? And a fictional film about GB Jr. is not "ad hominem". In addition to fixing your CAPS LOCK Charlie, try using words correctly....
Posted by: criswell | September 30, 2009 1:08 PM
People, please wake up and get outside your liberal group-think circles. Research Obama and Saul Alinski. Learn what is actually meant by "community organizer". We're not talking about cleaning up parks here. Do some objective enquiring into the various "Czars" starting with Van Jones - the "Green Job Czar" that had to quit once his past was being examined.
This ain't yo Daddie's Democratic Party. Obama is far left, he IS Marxist in his leanings, and what he has planned will not make you happy.
Your well reasoned, tradional party has been co-opted. You better start moving to take it back. Socialism is a beautiful concept. Only problem is it doesn't help the people it purports to help, It does not work.
Posted by: Lon Seong | September 30, 2009 1:18 PM
Projection: It's not just for movie theaters anymore.
Posted by: Rick R | September 30, 2009 1:23 PM
CHARLIE GRACIE, JR.:
"In general, I feel that entertainers should keep their politics to themselves..except when they agree with me"
There, chuckie, fixed it for ya!
What is really a tragedy is that, first your dad has a hit with a song "Butterfly", then Andy has a hit with a song "Butterfly", then Andy's brain begins to behave like a butterfly, zooming around erratically; and now--apparently--so has yours.
Posted by: democommie | September 30, 2009 1:24 PM
"In general, I feel that entertainers should keep their politics to themselves..." except when they agree with you, evidently. Thank you for proving Mr. Brayton's point so nicely.
Posted by: Pohranicni Straze | September 30, 2009 1:25 PM
The publication in question is the Smellograph. The only real surprise is he didn't say these things in the Daily Fail.
Posted by: Ray C. | September 30, 2009 1:26 PM
You call me a liberal like it's a bad thing.
Yeah, registering people to vote, fending off foreclosures and evictions and organizing labor unions are such terrible things. Especially that registering people to vote, since they tend to vote for liberals.
That'd be your war on civil liberties, er, drugs.
Where "far left" means "not quite as goose-stepping reactionary as Insanity Hannity."
Begone, foul troll, and come back when you learn what a Marxist really is.
Posted by: Ray C. | September 30, 2009 1:34 PM
You keep using that word...
Posted by: Brain Hertz | September 30, 2009 2:00 PM
Re Lon Soeng
Fucktard Mr. Soeng has it exactly backwards. It's the Rethuglicans as examplified by the late and unlamented Lee Atwater and his ideological successor, Karl Rove who implemented Saul Alinskys' strategy, namely rub raw the sores of discontent.
Re Charlie Gracie Jr.
Asshole Andy Williams is nothing but a road company Pat Boone and is equally moronic.
Posted by: SLC | September 30, 2009 2:16 PM
If I thought that Andy Williams had any real clue as to what Marxism is as a political or governing philosophy, I would be inclined to take him seriously. Based on his utterances, which are not arguments, merely assertions (and any fool can claim that Black is White), I have no evidence that he has a damn clue what is talking about.
His utterances tend to reinforce my conviction that most entertainers (and quite a few creative artists) have no frigging clue about the wider world, and should adhere to that old maxim that it is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought of as a fool...
Posted by: Graham Shevlin | September 30, 2009 2:19 PM
What's the problem..your idiot president critices his country on foreigh soil..you Americans who support this fruad have servere mental issues.
Posted by: Canadian Girl | September 30, 2009 2:22 PM
Hey! My mental health issues are not servere! They are prifund!
Posted by: NJ | September 30, 2009 2:31 PM
@ CHARLIE GRACIE, JR. and Lon Seong
Read up on Marxist theory then move to Russian History to figure out who the Marxist and the Commies deposed in Russia (hint: it was the Czars). Then you will be able to figure out why St Reagan first called these Presidential advisors Czars.
Posted by: theroachman | September 30, 2009 2:46 PM
Lon Soeng blithered thusly:
Research Obama and Saul Alinski. Learn what is actually meant by "community organizer".
We're still waiting for you to tell us what you "learned" in your "research," and where, exactly, you got it. Demanding we do the research, while doing none yourself, is just one more instance of bluffing by wingbats and extremists who have no clue what they're talking about.
Posted by: Raging Bee | September 30, 2009 2:49 PM
Canadian Girl - Nobody cares where Williams spewed his bile. The point of the post was the hypocrisy of those on the right who pitched a fit when the Dixie Chicks and others criticized Bush on foreign soil. Try and keep up, ok?
Posted by: Taz | September 30, 2009 3:09 PM
@Canadian Girl - Wow. You must have the reading comprehension skills of a first-grader if you can't understand the point of Ed's post. Here's a hint: try reading it! From my own experience, I've found that reading what someone has written vastly improves my understand of what he or she has written. You might want to try it! I assume Canadians can read, even if some of them clearly cannot spell.
Posted by: Imrryr | September 30, 2009 3:14 PM
interestingly (somewhat) a friend of mine was talking about her sister's compulsion to buy all sorts of crap that she didn't need, on her fathers credit card, while neglecting (as she saw it) any and all serious personal relationships. Her sister was unemployed and, I guess, depressed, uncentered and not self-aware...
later while going to sleep I was thinking..
alienation from the land, alienation from the means of production, and alienation from self...
hmmm marxy. I was wondering if Marx was in his day considered more of a social scientist than an economist..? or both together, as they were not split since, I guess, there was no math/"science" of economics then?
Posted by: Kevin (NYC) | September 30, 2009 3:21 PM
I would, someday, like to discover the Glenn Beck worshipping cess pool that periodically activates these idiot sleeper cells to terrorize the blogs of sane adults.
Posted by: JohnV | September 30, 2009 3:38 PM
Can't blame Canucklehead Girl for at least attempting to branch into American politics. The scene up here is so mind-numbingly dull that we have to look south to keep our brains from atrophying (although it may be too late in her case). Right now it's all just some guy named Steve telling us that we don't really want an election.
What's that all aboot, eh?
Posted by: Adrian W. | September 30, 2009 3:38 PM
Kevin (NYC), #31: I was wondering if Marx was in his day considered more of a social scientist than an economist..?
Neither Marx nor Adam Smith were what we now call "economists". Their economic analyses were in a field that we now call "political economy", which is the study of the structure of the economic system (the means of production and patterns of consumption) and the efects they have on the other social institutions and vice versa.
Posted by: Chiroptera | September 30, 2009 3:41 PM
Canadian girl, how DARE you criticize our president from Foreign soil?!??
This means WAAAARRR!!!!
Also: Andy Williams can suck it. As can Charlie Gracie Jr, whoever the fuck that is.
Oh, also the word is serfdom, not SURFdom. You surf-dumbass.
Read a book, you son of a has-been.
Posted by: Siamang | September 30, 2009 3:42 PM
What do all these people have against Groucho anyways?
Posted by: Blondin | September 30, 2009 4:30 PM
Lon Seong, #16: People, please wake up and get outside your liberal group-think circles.
Hmm. Someone claiming that Obama is a Marxist or a socialist after accusing us of "group-think". I don't know about anyone else, but I think that's pretty funny.
Posted by: Chiroptera | September 30, 2009 4:50 PM
Lon Seong @ 16:
Chiropetra @ 37 stated:
Well . . . I didn't think it was funny until you told me it was funny; then I thought it was funny. If you hadn't told me it was funny, then I wouldn't have known it was funny.
Posted by: Michael Heath | September 30, 2009 5:00 PM
If the publication is read primarily by Europeans then there's nothing to worry about; you'll just have a lot of foreigners laughing at the Ignorant American who obviously doesn't know who the hell Karl Marx was or what socialism is. On the other hand they'll probably make up a few more jokes ...
Posted by: MadScientist | September 30, 2009 5:08 PM
Aww, I always liked "Born Free". Even "Moon River", a bit (George Peppard's was better, though). Oh well, gotta separate the art from the artist, as they say.
Posted by: Sean Michael | September 30, 2009 5:08 PM
Posted by: Taz | September 30, 2009 5:16 PM
Adrian W,
Actually I find American poltics to be largely mindnumbingly boring and I quite like our Canadian poltics, well, find it more interesting at times at least. I find much much of the politics in the US to be irritating, and extremely frustrating. If it was not so important I would probably stop paying attention.
At least once and a while we seem to have something with substance (though this has been lacking lately).
Then again, I like reading non-fiction, and watching documentaries and am probably dreadfully boring.
Posted by: Travis | September 30, 2009 6:43 PM
People, please wake up and get outside your liberal group-think circles. . . . Do some objective enquiring into the various "Czars" . . .
Here's a tip, dumb-ass: Any wingnut who thinks the media nicknaming an administration job "the [something] czar" is a meaningful criticism of Obama is in no position to complain about anyone else's "group-think circles."
Posted by: Molly, NYC | September 30, 2009 7:58 PM
Hey guys, give old Andy a break. His opinion is JUST AS VALID as that of any other has-been singer. Pat Boone comes to mind.
Posted by: Rob Ryan | September 30, 2009 8:21 PM
Of course, notice how it is the older, lily white, Christian singers, who perhaps remember fondly the day when they could beat their wives without fear of the law, or when the "nigra" knew his place, and when one was in the white house it was to wash the floors, not sit in the oval office.
Of course, to keep the meme alive, I'm not saying they feel that way, but they haven't denied it, have they?
Posted by: Badger3k | September 30, 2009 9:14 PM
I'd be willing to bet money that Canadian Girl only read Ed's post heading (with it's mock horror), and not the actual text of the post itself...either that, or she has the reading comprehension skills of a two-year old.
Mr. Gracie, Jr., Mr. Williams saying that President Obama "wants the country to fail" is "an attack on the man (the "man" in this case being Obama) himself." Just because you (probably) agree with this attack doesn't automatically mean it isn't one.
Do some objective enquiring in the various "Czars" starting with Van Jones-the "Green Jobs Czar" that had to quit once his past was being examined.
Right, our research into various "Czars" should start with someone who, as you yourself mention, is NOT a "Czar" anymore. Makes sense.
Posted by: daniel rotter | September 30, 2009 9:39 PM
Ol' Andy once covered John Lennon's Imagine.
Wouldn't that make him a Marxist too?
Posted by: Ick of the East | October 1, 2009 2:12 AM
A Marxist-Lennonist [drum-fill]
Thank-you, I'll be here all week.
Try the Shrimp-cocktails &etc.
Posted by: DingoJack | October 1, 2009 2:20 AM
Smooth Mr. Heath, very smooth.
Posted by: dean | October 1, 2009 8:21 AM
Lon Seong "Your well reasoned, tradional party has been co-opted. You better start moving to take it back."
You first!
Canadian Girl "What's the problem..your idiot president critices his country on foreigh soil..you Americans who support this fruad have servere mental issues."
Hey, are you my friend's girlfriend (who is in Canada and whom I don't know).
…
I remember when Andy Williams was on The Muppet Show. The muppet version of him was more lifelike than he was.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | October 1, 2009 12:01 PM
OK,OK, my apologies to all of you geniuses out there for my typo. Be it SERFDOM or SURFDOM, once the country "wipes out" (yeah, another golden oldie put to good use) we will be right where Mr. Obama and his legions seem to want us--in servitude to the government--and all in the name of "patriotism, I might add! I find it ironic, that our first president of "color" may actually be selling us all back into a new form of slavery. That's what paying 50% or more of your income to the Feds will amount to. As for Andy Williams, I suggest you read his soon-to-be released autobiography and learn of the man's struggles to succeed as in the enterainment field. Even though Williams has sold over 100-million records, he endured some very lean times--working for next to nothing and resorted to eating dog food at one point! And why all this anger in the tone in so many of your emails? We keep hearing how your side is more tolerant and accepting of all points of view. I just don't see it here. As for the rock 'n' roll pioneer, Charlie Gracie, you can check out his site to find out who he is.
Lighten Up People! Chas, Jr.
Posted by: CHARLIE GRACIE, JR. | October 1, 2009 12:44 PM
CHARLIE GRACIE, JR., #51: ...in servitude to the government--and all in the name of "patriotism....
I have two questions: weren't you guys the ones who, in the name of patriotism, supported the increases in executive power during the previous Republican administrations? And do you feel kind of stupid about it now?
Posted by: Chiroptera | October 1, 2009 12:49 PM
I only have one thing to say in regards to Mr. Gracie Jr.:
I was not reading this thread, and I spotted in the "Recent Comments" sidebar that someone had left a comment with their name in ALL CAPS. I said to myself, "Hoo boy, gotta be a kook."
Yup.
That is all.
Posted by: James Sweet | October 1, 2009 12:58 PM
Wow, this from the mouth of a white, senile, bigoted, washed up singer (Andy Williams). Due to their lack of leadership, ideas and vision of where our country needs to go the Republican Party is show casing the only thing they have to offer, the scraping of the bottom of their intellectual barrel.
Posted by: Paul | October 1, 2009 1:14 PM
Charlie Gracie, Jr. @ 51 stated:
In this context, it's President Obama. He was duly elected President of the United States of America; I accorded the same respect to all other Presidents while they held the Office.
In addition, when you use the word, "legions", I assume it's a negative connotation. Given that President Obama achieved his current office by the vote of a majority of American voters, I therefore assume you hold ill will for the majority of American voters whom you are referring to here as "legions"; especially since the majority of the country continues to support the President's success and most of his agenda according the last published poll. I'll engage in a rhetorical fallacy of my own, though self-proclaimed, "Mr. Gracie, why do you hate Americans?".
Charlie Gracie, Jr. @ 51 stated:
The plans put forth by the White House show no tax scheme proposals that would even reach the rates achieved during President Reagan's tenure in office, even for the richest 1%. In fact, President Obama's current and proposed tax schemes for 95% of the populace would be the lowest effective rates since the the CBO (non-partisan Congressional Budget Office) started tracking effective rates in 1979. Do you have citations providing evidence in support of your scare tactics here or you merely engaging in ignorant hyperbole to posit a delusional argument?
I will accord Andy Williams' views on anything serious the same I do for any "pop" entertainment artist merely because of his singing skills and irrelevant to their political positions - zero. We'd be a far safer, richer society if others followed by lead.
Posted by: Michael Heath | October 1, 2009 1:45 PM
#16 - I even met Saul Alinski before he died ... one heck of a strategist, and if you ever want to annoy an oppressor, he's got the "Rules for Radicals" manual that spells it all out.
Posted by: Tsu Dho Nimh | October 1, 2009 1:57 PM
I wouldn't dismiss all singers political opinions out of hand: The Dixie Chicks seem to be pretty reasonable on questions of foreign policy.
Posted by: kehrsam | October 1, 2009 1:58 PM
I find it amusing that Chuckles writes about people eating dog food. I first heard of that as a major symptom of poverty, especially among older people, during the Reagan years. But then, Reaganomics is Holy Writ to some people, so that must not have happened.
However, I am not sure what "suffering lean times" and eating dog food have to do with the correctness of his point - that's called a non sequiter (a logical fallacy). As for being tolerant, sorry, we are under no obligation to be tolerant of ignorance, stupidity, or racism (all three are major components of the anti-Obama movement). When you see the Constitution, which you fought for, being spit upon by those who claim to want to defend it, you tend to lose a sense of tolerance to the spewing maggots that have crawled out of the woodwork recently.
That said, if you actually took the time to do any research, you'd find comments critical of a lot of people on all sides of the spectrum at this blog. That isn't the point of this post - the hypocrisy of those who ranted about the Dixie Chicks and their silence towards Andy (and Palin) is. Andy just gets hit by the flack for being a hack. At least (I hope) he hasn't come out as a birther as well.
But I'd give Chuck a point for using "wiped out" so close to his "surf" error - it at least keeps the surfing theme going. Nothing about Andy living out of his Little Duece Coupe, though.
Posted by: Badger3k | October 1, 2009 3:01 PM
I was at a Ted Nugent event (held in a semi-large bar) during the debate about our invading Iraq, probably late-2002. He was marketing his version of patriotism as part of his act. He also talked smack about his just coming back from a European tour where he claimed he castigated his audience for not supporting our upcoming invasion of Iraq, which I struggled to believe. His antics did not add to the pleasure of our evening.
Posted by: Michael Heath | October 1, 2009 3:08 PM
I don't know about any of you, but whenever a major political news story breaks, I rush to see what Cher's got to say about it.
Posted by: Rick R | October 1, 2009 3:12 PM
I find it ironic, that our first president of "color" may actually be selling us all back into a new form of slavery. That's what paying 50% or more of your income to the Feds will amount to.
Let me guess...when your parents made you clean up your room, take out the trash, and wipe your ass after taking a dump, that was "slavery" too, right?
Posted by: Raging Bee | October 1, 2009 3:51 PM
Nugent is an idiot. I have heard that he is also a draft dodger (and he did it in a disgusting way)...but have not verified the story. He still lost a lot of (whatever) respect I may have had of him for his inanity.
Posted by: Badger3k | October 1, 2009 6:43 PM
By "slavery", he means rolling back the tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans back to almost as high as they were during the Reagan administration.
Andy Williams wants people to die of no health coverage. He's a rich old bastard, and now that he's got his, he wants to kick the ladder out from under the next guy. Figures.
News flash for wingnut whiney children. If you compare Obama to Hitler, Stalin, etc, if you say that Acorn is going to round up your children, if you think that death panels want to send granny out on an ice floe, if you think our President was born anywhere but Hawaii... PLEASE speak up. *Please* lose more elections, you crazy, crazy SOBs.
And in the meanwhile, you all can suck it. You lost. Reality hurts, donnit? You get another chance in three years. But not really, not at this rate, you bunch of barking mad loser lunatics.
Posted by: Siamang | October 1, 2009 6:53 PM
The widespread story about Nugent and the Vietnam draft is this:
He's since claimed "remorse" for avoiding vietnam, and claimed that going to Afghanistan in 2006 and manning a 50-calibre machine gun in a chinook for couple hours "made up for it".
Posted by: dean | October 2, 2009 1:57 PM
dean: Thanks for the fact-check. Nugent isn't just a coward, he's a coward with an absolutely breathtaking (literally) lack of dignity or self-respect. He'd rather ruin his own health and spend a week wallowing in his own excrement, than go to school and get a student deferment like Clinton did? That alone speaks volumes about the "man."
And he thinks "manning" a gun for a "couple hours" "makes up for it?" What a joke.
Posted by: Raging Bee | October 2, 2009 2:09 PM
Nugent is no mere coward, he is a classic example of a chicken-hawk. His actions and words define the label.
Posted by: Michael Heath | October 2, 2009 2:12 PM
That's odd. He already had an easy out, what with his terminal case of Cat Scratch Fever.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | October 2, 2009 7:36 PM
Learn what is actually meant by "community organizer". We're not talking about cleaning up parks here.
Man, you're so right on! I spent last week at a gummint-sponsored conference with a buncha big-talkin "community organizers", and they was always goin on and on bout ways to get high school kids more engaged in volunteer service, and providing more access to healthcare to traditionally under-served neighborhoods, and partnering with un-American organizations like the Red Cross for emergency response planning, the dirty commie bastards.
(and they was all...you know...Obama people).
Posted by: Shay | October 3, 2009 10:27 PM
Wow, glad I checked back. What responses!
Dittohead? Name calling? Oh Puh-leeze. Can we focus?
This thread started because an aged crooner had the guts to call something that quacks and waddles - a DUCK. So the real question is: is Williams a senile doof or is he on the money?
Easy to investigate. Wiki "marxism", read up - then go to youtube and search on "obama redistribution of wealth". Hear it directly from the source. Compare it to the philosophy you just studied on Wikipedia.
If you're in favor of Marxism - so be it. Say it outright - be honest about it.
I restate that the big problem with this lovely utopian theory is that in practice it does nothing but crush the little guy. There has not been a "communist" nation on earth that wasn't actually a horribly oppressive totalitarian state. It just doesn't work.
And again, is this REALLY the Democratic Party?
Posted by: Lon Seong | October 29, 2009 6:04 PM
Lon Seong: While it's nice that you checked back it's kind of a pity you haven't learned anything since your absence. The Democratic Party hasn't been co-opted by the nefarious Left, unless you think the Corporatists are Lefties.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | October 29, 2009 6:31 PM
"when President Clinton was in office, Republicans had no problem with trying to force the withdrawal of American troops from Kosovo and Somalia and no problem criticizing the American president while soldiers were risking their lives abroad"
What we wanted was for Clinton to commit enough troops to get the job done. Declare war, kill all the bad guys. He was too focused on himself to care. Sound like anyone else that is President today?
Posted by: really? | November 28, 2009 3:27 AM
So, by withdrawing, you'd have committed enough troops? Are you Sarah Palin?
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 28, 2009 4:39 AM
A lifelong Republican??? Politically, Williams is most famous for his support of the Kennedys.
Posted by: AllThingsMustPass | December 15, 2010 4:30 PM