Ed Brayton is a journalist, commentator and speaker. He is the co-founder and president of 
Today's dumbass quote of the day comes from the dumbass of the century, our new friend Pat. I'd been too busy to look at the "Pat, Pat, Pat" thread after the first bunch of comments and didn't realize until Thursday morning that Pat had shown up to drop his pearls of, uh, "wisdom" in his usual charming manner. And this comment just made me laugh:
Whatever. You all think that this asshole Ed is so wonderful, because he likes to Mock the right, Religion, and Creationists.When in all honestly, he is a small petty man, with possibly gay tendencies. Not to mention, not much of a life. and you sheeple follow him, like a lost little bastards.
Yep, all the hallmarks of wingnuttery - the randomly capitalized words for no apparent reason; the total lack of anything even faintly resembling a substantive argument; most obviously, the breathtaking lack of self-awareness and inability to detect the irony being emitted by his world-class case of psychological projection.
Let's recap: This is the guy who initially claimed he could have me put in jail because I criticized something he wrote. Then he dug up my uncle's address and phone number and posted it, encouraging others to pay me a visit (he couldn't get to me himself, you see, because he has no car). And I'm the "small petty man" in this equation? The lack of self-awareness is truly a wonder to behold.
As for those "possibly gay tendencies," that's about equal parts funny and pathetic. It's pathetic because Pat actually thinks that's an insult and that anyone other than bigots like him would care. If I was gay, Pat, I would be quite open about it, just as I am open about my staunch support of equal rights for my gay friends. Ironically, the fact that you think someone's "possibly gay tendencies" actually matter is just another indication of what a small, petty man you are.
Speaking of projection, in another comment Pat wrote:
Hey asshole, it's a free fucking Country. I will write what a please on my blog. You don't like it. Don't fucking read it. Just that fucking simple.
This from the guy who showed up here originally to leave a comment because he didn't like something I wrote and the comment just said "fuck you." That's the only way I knew of his pathetic existence. And then he amusingly said he could have me put in jail for stalking for daring to criticize him (before posting my uncle's address, then having someone on another site post his address - and accusing them of stalking for doing the same thing he did to me. Seriously, how many ways can one person show themselves to be a hypocrite in one situation?).
Pat really would make a perfect psychological case study, wouldn't he? He has an extraordinary ability to place his own behavior in a vacuum, safely sequestered from his statements about the behavior of others, so that he can rant and rave at other people for doing, or in most cases falsely accusing them of doing, the exact same thing he has already done to them.
This is like the proverbial watching of the train wreck. I just can't look away.
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The guy really needs help, seems like a very angry and confused individual.
Posted by: dogmeatib | November 13, 2009 9:35 AM
I think Pat has a crush on you.
Posted by: Ira | November 13, 2009 9:40 AM
Forget Gribbit's soul mate Ed; how about Gribbit's son? I sense someone is enabling the other here. Thank you Pat for taking the title of "Most Bitter Human Being In The World" away from me. I hope you are proud of yourself.
Posted by: Gregory Weagle | November 13, 2009 9:44 AM
Ed, you're missing the best part, a carless, unemployed mama's basement living Cheetos™ eater is implying that you don't have much of a life. Pat must live in the south, my experience is that those people have absolutely no sense of irony. (I know his location was revealed, but I really don't wanna waste the time looking it up.)
Posted by: The Pale Scot | November 13, 2009 9:46 AM
"Hey asshole, it's a free fucking Country. I will write what a please on my blog. You don't like it. Don't fucking read it. Just that fucking simple."
Hey asshole, it's a free fucking Country. People will rip the shit out of anything you fucking post. You don't like it. Don't fucking post it. Just that fucking simple.
Mike.
Posted by: NoAstronomer | November 13, 2009 9:53 AM
I suggest Pat get a new blog and start over because seemingly he cannot voice a coherent thought and Ed can't help noticing and ripping him for it. Consequently, we can't help laughing. I don't mind the entertainment value but the sheer stupidity doesn't bear the light of day.
Posted by: MikeMa | November 13, 2009 10:01 AM
At least he embraces paragraphs.
And for the third time, I'd like to note one of Pat's insults and James Hanley's response. Blog comment Hall of Fame stuff.
Repeated below:
Pat:
James Hanely:
I don't think I'll ever forget that exchange.
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 13, 2009 10:07 AM
Man, MH, for a minute back then you almost had me thinking that there was hope for Pat, but - alas! - my instinct was correct, and he is just another idiot.
It is, nonetheless, sad to see that there are people who live like this.
Posted by: Valhar2000 | November 13, 2009 10:18 AM
LOL. I had missed that comment from Pat and James' brilliant response. What I find funniest about it is the accusation of being a pedophile pulled out of his ass. It's like he sat there thinking, "What's the worst thing I can accuse him of being without any evidence whatsoever? That'll put him in his place." Hilarious.
Posted by: Ed Brayton | November 13, 2009 10:19 AM
This is both sickening and fascinating. Fascinating because the internet and blogging have made it possible for anyone at all to write their views and toss them out there.
Sickening because some people are so stupid they think others will be interested in petty insults and insinuations about third parties they know nothing about.
If I were naive, I'd think Pat was a 12 year old with too much time on his hands and a computer. Unfortunately, I've seen enough adults with the same foolishness and frustration putting insults and nonsense out there without any interesting things to say.
Posted by: Moderately Unbalanced Squid | November 13, 2009 10:24 AM
As for those "possibly gay tendencies," that's about equal parts funny and pathetic. It's pathetic because Pat actually thinks that's an insult and that anyone other than bigots like him would care.
Just yesterday I had a bigoted asshat pull the, "You're gay!" card on me. He made "insulting" comments about how my boyfriend was probably proud. This was my response:
Oh, I get it. You're still in junior high. You don't actually have anything to say, so you think that if you imply that I'm a homosexual you'll win the argument because you don't actually have anything else to say.
Because now I'm supposed to be all, "Hey, I'm not gay! Gays are all icky and stuff!" Then everything gets derailed because I lose the original thread of the argument because of your ad hominem attack against my heterosexuality.
Well, first off, I'm not gay. Second, I don't take, "Dood, U R so gay!" as an insult. Third, you're an uneducated, bigoted jackass.
I then went straight back to the original issue at hand. I've decided this should be policy. All that the insults like this prove is that the person who is making them is uneducated and bigoted.
His next comment? A reiteration of the, "U R gay!" argument. Plus the standard trollish, "You've got anger issues."
Either way, after yesterday I've decided that in the event of future trolls the standard DNFTT should be my primary position. But if I don't my main policy will be to point out what bigotry the troll is showing, then return to the issue at hand. Because you'll never convince a troll that he or she is wrong, so the goal should instead be to show that the positions the troll holds cannot be defended by reason and that if they're so weak that stupid insults are all a person has that there's no reason to agree with them.
Posted by: Geds | November 13, 2009 10:30 AM
He still thinks calling people gay is an insult? Wow, he has really aged poorly for being only 12 years old, although that would explain why he still lives in his parents' basement...
Posted by: catgirl | November 13, 2009 10:39 AM
Ed @ 9:
For me, the pedophile charge isn't what puts this exchange into Hall of Fame terrority - that's standard stuff from a delusional conservative. Instead it's Pat claiming a three word insult, where he instead uses five words, and where his last two words has him ducking into Hanley's punch in a manner more extreme than any "ducking into the punch" event I've ever experienced.
If this exchange were in a fictional movie the 'suspension of doubt' required for the audience to buy-in to the moment would be considered too over the top. (OT, but that reminds of the Dover Trial.)
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 13, 2009 10:45 AM
I think Pat has a crush on you.
SO ED'S "POSSIBLY GAY TENDENCIES" ARE WISHFUL THINKING ON PAT'S PART???!!!
Posted by: FBI Regional Bureau Chief GORDON COLE!!! | November 13, 2009 11:06 AM
"He has an extraordinary ability to place his own behavior in a vacuum..."
Wingnuts believe in American exceptionalism and the IOKIRDI rule. Personal exceptionalism is the logical next step.
Posted by: noel | November 13, 2009 11:18 AM
@GORDON COLE!!!: Pat must have seen the photo of Ed hugging Michelle Bachmann and got jealous.
Posted by: Emily | November 13, 2009 11:24 AM
I second or third Michael Heath's assessment of the Pat/Hanley exchange. Just by virtue of it still being funny days later makes the effect even greater. I've rarely seen someone paint a bigger target on their ass. And I also see Behe at Dover in the same light. Behe was better educated but it did nothing to improve his ducking and weaving skills.
Posted by: MikeMa | November 13, 2009 11:37 AM
I'm just surprised he didn't call you a fat poo-poo head.
Posted by: Adrienne | November 13, 2009 11:51 AM
It amazing me that so many people think free speech means you can say/believe whatever you want and no one can criticize you for it. If you want to express all of your thoughts and feelings without fear of criticism you should start a diary not a blog.
Posted by: penn | November 13, 2009 11:52 AM
Note that Widdle Patrick sees teh gay everywhere -- and that tells us waaayy more about Patrick Adkins than it does about anyone he attacks.
Posted by: meatbrain | November 13, 2009 12:04 PM
Ich bin ein gay! Or something.
Posted by: Tom | November 13, 2009 12:13 PM
I've not seen such an amusing failure to insult since LastVisibleDog called me a bed-wetter.
Posted by: Suricou Raven | November 13, 2009 12:27 PM
Forget Irony Meters, this one blew the needle off my Fail-o-Meter! Knew I should have gotten the digital version.
Posted by: bdc | November 13, 2009 1:22 PM
I'm pretty sure the number of people who are mentally adults in the USA is far below the number of people who are biologically adults.
Posted by: Katharine | November 13, 2009 1:40 PM
Who wants to subscribe Pat to gay pornography?
Posted by: Katharine | November 13, 2009 1:43 PM
The digital version won't fare any better. You'll soon realize it doesn't display enough digits when Pat makes the thing go Y2K on you.
Posted by: AL | November 13, 2009 1:50 PM
Can I just take this moment to express my gratitude for Pat's having stumbled upon this blog in between Cheeto runs? These have truly been some of the most entertaining threads in recent memory.
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | November 13, 2009 1:58 PM
Capitalizing emphasis words is a common trait of people educated in the south-central US. Just my experience talking (i.e. no hard data).
Is anyone else surprised Pat didn't say "neener neener"?
Posted by: Kevin | November 13, 2009 2:10 PM
I've had so many irony meters blown, I'm wondering if we all shouldn't just switch to sane-o-meters. That way the crazies will barely peg on the scale and we can carry on without replacing the meter every week.
Posted by: Moderately Unbalanced Squid | November 13, 2009 2:15 PM
Is anyone else surprised Pat didn't say "neener neener"?
Isn't "neener neener" an elitist Yankee thing?
Posted by: Raging bee | November 13, 2009 2:21 PM
"I think Pat has a crush on you."
Well, Ed is a pretty big chunk of man beef. I mean, look at that picture up there! He's like Santa Claus and Kenny Rogers all in one!
Posted by: Ian | November 13, 2009 2:25 PM
Ian, he's what the gay community would call a "bear". He would be a very popular bear. Look at that smile!
Posted by: marilove | November 13, 2009 2:56 PM
Note that Widdle Patrick sees teh gay everywhere -- and that tells us waaayy more about Patrick Adkins than it does about anyone he attacks.
WELL, TO GIVE CREDIT WHERE IT'S DUE, AT LEAST ANDREW SULLIVAN IS, IN FACT, "TEH GAY," THOUGH PERHAPS PATRICK DOESN'T ACTUALLY KNOW THAT, BUT MERELY SUSPECTS HIS "POSSIBLY GAY TENDENCIES"!!!
Posted by: FBI Regional Bureau Chief GORDON COLE!!! | November 13, 2009 3:36 PM
Pat is such a delightfully abundant source of comical, irony-meter-busting wingnuttery.
Posted by: TheDude | November 13, 2009 4:24 PM
Ed is not a small man.
Really. Everyone knows "girl" is the only insult you can still get away with...
Posted by: Diane G. | November 13, 2009 4:29 PM
Wait, Ed's not gay?
Posted by: Brad | November 13, 2009 4:39 PM
I think Ira @2 has it right. Pat is in love. Immature, inexpressible, puppy love that is passive-aggressively expressed as antagonism. Given his bitchy antagonism, inability to leave or directly address the issue, and cycling between teasing aggression, whining, and seeking sympathy by acting hurt it is clear that Pat is smitten. And clearly the fem/maso/passive in the relationship.
Ed, if your into sloppy, overweight and ill groomed white guys groveling, kissing your feet and cleaning your toilet this is your chance. Of course he is going to want to be spanked and there is a pretty good chance the whole thing will slide into bottles and diapers so there is likely to be a pretty big down side to Pat's adoration. One has to feel sorry for his mother.
Pretty much a walking advertisement for Planned Parenthood.
Posted by: Art | November 13, 2009 5:00 PM
Congratulations, Pat! You're now officially recognized as a dumbass - just in case anyone had any doubts.
Posted by: MadScientist | November 13, 2009 5:38 PM
I think he's a walking argument for eugenics.
All the ethicists would take one look and go "wait, it might prevent that? Well sign us up..."
Pat could be famous, in his own way, as the father of a new Eugenics Movement. So many unethical policies were started by mass fear, and I can imagine Pat producing much fear... between stifled giggles, of course.
Posted by: Shawn S. | November 13, 2009 5:42 PM
Brad-
Fraid not. I cheer for the team, I just don't play on it. Though what marilove said above has been said to me many times, that if I ever decided to change sides my dance card would be full because I'd be a very popular bear. Kevin Smith has been told the same thing.
Posted by: Ed Brayton | November 13, 2009 5:44 PM
Wow, his "Barry's Farm" parody is pretty pathetic as well. The irony is, if he wrote it (which I doubt), the song talks about others living off their labor. Isn't Patty-girl unemployed and living off both the dole and his mommy?
http://www.politicalbyline.com/2009/03/05/a-new-parody-barrys-farm/
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C'mon, if we did that we'd double his subscriptions and he'd spend all of his time looking at gay porn. We'd never get to read his little pearls of "wisdom."
Posted by: dogmeatib | November 13, 2009 5:55 PM
I'm sorry, Ed, but please stop. This is not like your poker posts, which I simply disregard. By prolonging and even having such a typical internet argument on your blog, it makes you seem like a juvenile bully. Every post about this Pat (aside from the first) makes me lose respect for you. Just ignore the guy, he's not worth it, and you should have a clear enough head to see that. I actually cringed when I saw this post was about Pat again. Why? Who is that guy?
Posted by: Patrick | November 13, 2009 6:17 PM
I personally think that this a case of "thank you sir, may I please have another?". Of course Pat declared himself the WINNER the other night in our little dust-up. I broke off contact mainly out of boredom. You see, people like Pat will never admit defeat. To quote Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Green Knight," It's just a flesh wound!" Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 6:29 PM
Jesus Christ. Now I want Ed to keep hammering this guy just to piss off concern trolls like you.
Posted by: Wes | November 13, 2009 6:47 PM
Oh you all should really go to Pat's site and read this article in particular. Hey Pat, project much? Thanks, James Democrats Hypocrisy over Nastiness in Politics
By Patrick, on November 12th, 2009
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 6:57 PM
Seems James thinks he's cute:
Him: Pat. Why won't you publish my posts? Are you afraid your readers will see you for the hypocrit that you are? Nice comment about Ms. Althouse. Thanks, James
My Reply:
1. Because I pay the Bandwidth Bill. I decide what I allow on my blog.
2. Because you are not interested in rational political discussion, but rather ad hominem attacks against me, because I am a Conservative.
3. Because I think liberals like you suck. I bet you were not vocal about your liberalism in the Military or they would have tossed you out. or shot and killed you and buried your sorry ass out behind the base somewhere.
4. Fascist? Not hardly. I approve comments that have some sort of value. Not trollish Bullshit.... and that is all you are interested in.
Now, please, go the hell away, you trollbait liberal piece tripe.
Good Day!
Now go print this on that faggot blog, like you do, you faggot piece of shit.
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I did it for him. I don't believe that James is even a Marine. Yes, He's Lying; like liberals do. If you were, post a pic of your ID TAGS or some sort of ID from the Marines. Bet you won't; Cause your LYING.
Just like the supposed Soldiers that the left has come up with come out against Iraq. Like the one, who's girlfriend worked for The New Republic. and on and on...
The left lies. All the time.
-Pat
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 7:23 PM
Pat, actually you are correct. I must confess, I am not a Marine, nor did I ever claim to be. I was an E-4 Seargent in the U.S. Air Force stationed on Andersen AFB, Guam from 1984-1987 as a B-52D and -G model Crew Chief and Flight Mech with 248 flight hours on B-52G's when I was honably discharged. Before that I was stationed at Barksdale AFB in Shreveport La. for field training. I did my basic 431xx tech school at Sheppard AFB in Wichita Falls, Texas and of course Basic Training at Lackland AFB in San Antonio, Texas. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 7:35 PM
You told you were a Marine in e-mail. So, you are a liar.
Air Force? *snicker* Code Pink don't count sir.
Post your ID, if you were. I bet you weren't You Liberal. Nobody who served in the Military can be a LIBERAL...ever.
Good Day!
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 7:39 PM
Oh, by the way, the reason I can't post pics of my dogtags or any other pics is because I was laid off last December and have only recently gotten a job. No money for digital cameras when there are mouths to feed. And no, my parents don't, and haven't, supported me since I 17. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 7:41 PM
Pat, post the email where I said I was a Marine. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 7:43 PM
And why would that be? Is there mandatory brain-washing to ensure that it doesn't happen?
Posted by: Gretchen | November 13, 2009 7:53 PM
Pat?
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 7:53 PM
Because I am honest, like James here. I will admit one thing... He did not say he was a Marine, he said he was a Vet in e-mail.
But I highly doubt he is a Vet.
In fact:
"h, by the way, the reason I can't post pics of my dogtags or any other pics is because I was laid off last December and have only recently gotten a job. No money for digital cameras when there are mouths to feed."
*snicker* typical excuse. Just tell the truth; you are lying about your Military service!
Heh... Exposed, like the lying liberal that you are.
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 7:57 PM
Hey, Pat, what's the most famous river in Egypt?
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | November 13, 2009 7:59 PM
The people that live in Denial are the socialist liberal Democrats.
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 8:04 PM
OK Pat, since I can't produce photos, how about some info that probably can be checked out online? 43rd Organizational Maintenance Squadron was over at the old Firehouse on North ramp in the '80's. Our CO at that time was Lt. Col. Don Scott and the 1st SGT was Manny Chaco. My Flight Chief was TSGT Jmmy Nolan and I was a Crew Chief on 57-0257, 58-0510 and 58-0234 B-52G
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 8:10 PM
"Nobody who served in the Military can be a LIBERAL...ever."
Hard to wrap my mind around such an incredibly stupid statement. I can only hope he is joking, but the rest of his posts lead me to believe otherwise.
Posted by: Harry Bosch | November 13, 2009 8:11 PM
I suppose it's like insisting that no atheist could ever have been a real Christian.
Posted by: Gretchen | November 13, 2009 8:14 PM
"I suppose it's like insisting that no atheist could ever have been a real Christian."
It's more like saying nobody who shops at Costco could ever shop at Sam's club but hey I guess they both work.
Posted by: Harry Bosch | November 13, 2009 8:22 PM
wow, I know I'm late to party here, but it's hard to believe Pat is for real..
World-class nuttery sir!
Posted by: jem | November 13, 2009 8:22 PM
OK, why the eff is "denial" capitalized?
Posted by: Leni | November 13, 2009 8:25 PM
Pat?
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 8:34 PM
"Nobody who served in the Military can be a LIBERAL...ever."
Ted Kennedy wasn't a liberal? News to me. And why is "liberal" in all-caps?
Posted by: daniel rotter | November 13, 2009 8:38 PM
Hey, Pat, what's a tu quoque?
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | November 13, 2009 8:40 PM
"Nobody who served in the Military can be a LIBERAL...ever."
Jimmy Carter: Navy, served on subs
George McGovern, WW2 B-24 pilot, 35 missions (the limit allowed), decorated (Distinguished Flying Cross, Air Medal with 3 oak leaf clusters), safely landed his B-24 after one mission when it had 110 holes in the fuselage and wings and no hydraulics.
Posted by: Jon H | November 13, 2009 8:41 PM
Oh good! I was hoping that Pat might show up again!
Pat, I think the reason you keep coming back here is because it chaps you to know that there are dozens of people who now know that you are the living embodiment of every single wingnut stereotype:
You're fat, balding, hateful and completely oblivious to your own hypocrisies. Everything you accuse liberals of being is in fact what you are.
So do please continue to attack veterans and people with actual jobs from the comfort of your
mother's basement. Make your blustering threats to feel like a big
man, but I think you know how pathetic you are.
By the way, why did you delete James' point about not being supported by his mother? Hit a little close to your mom's house?
Posted by: Damien | November 13, 2009 8:46 PM
Adding to Jon H's list, the very liberal congressman Pete Stark served in the Air Force for two years.
Posted by: daniel rotter | November 13, 2009 8:51 PM
Well folks, I'm afraid I may have run off our favorite chew toy; sorry. Pat and I were having a discussion, via email, in and amongst the postings on this thread. I made a couple of suggestions about REALLY good therapy and narcissistic personality disorder and haven't heard from him since. Oh yeah, and my worries about him and firearms. Ooops. Too much? Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 8:53 PM
Pat @ 46:
That is simply not true.
Here's my first comment directed at you which I posted only in this forum. It's a substantial challenge asking for a cogent argument to back up assertions you posted earlier in the blog thread linked to here.
Also, here is a link to a comment I cross-posted here that I attempted to post at your site which you refused to post. It is not mere ad hominems but instead asking you to provide facts to back up the premises you used to create your argument, an argument I found incoherent and therefore asked for you to be a man and defend your position honorably. You instead chickened out and refused to post or respond. Your choice of course, but certainly not a character-driven response.
It's pretty clear to this crowd Pat that you are not able to make cogent arguments, and therefore fail to maintain an open forum at your blog. I'd argue because your arguments can't withstand the scrutiny. You therefore censor comments at your site while being capable only of ad homimens and misrepresentations of others or their arguments in this forum. Accusing others of what we've observed most frequently coming from you is called "projectionism"; it is behavior common to populist conservatives, in fact I've encountered very few that don't project.
Ed's arguments are cogent and while they certainly aren't always bullet-proof - no one can since many arguments advocate for positions where certainty is impossible, they're always arguable positions. Your's on the other hand are both incoherent and incapable of withstanding scrutiny given your dependence on misframing reality, making false asssertions, and a frequent dependence on rhetorical or logical fallacies. Not all, I did see some coherent arguments which is why I volunteered help in manning-up your game. An offer that no longer stands given the rife bigotry that's been on display from you recently - I have little tolerance for haters.
Ed maintains a open forum given his confidence in the quality of his own arguments. You'd become a better man if you monitored this site and learned from Ed. Developing character and integrity requires discipline, something I recommend you focus on better developing if you ever hope to make something of yourself.
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 13, 2009 8:57 PM
Oh, and any USAF vets feel any particular animus about the CODE PINK reference, re Pat # 48? No disrespect to CODE PINK, a group I proudly support and respect for the bravery they have shown. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 9:00 PM
...my instinct was correct, and he is just another idiot.
I cruise these parts often but seldom comment. But I just have to say that Pat is far more than just another idiot. He is is truly the type character of the complete and total idiot and deserving of an appropriate level of recognition and appreciation for his seemingly effortless perfection in that category.
Are there really other contenders for such exquisite perfection in absolute idiocy? I know there's Bachmann and Palin and Beck (et. al.) but they just don't have the pure exposed raw rage.
I've seen many an idiot in many a cyber space aspire to the heights but Pat wins the Major Award in my book - he just has the whole package.
On a side note, is there a market for Troll Critic?
Posted by: jimmiraybob | November 13, 2009 9:06 PM
mike, I don't think, and I could be wrong, but I don't think Pat know the definition of ad hominem. Thanks James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 9:07 PM
Pat really does seem to be the embodiment of everything that's gone haywire on the right since Obama got elected. Hypocrisy, frothing anger, ignorance, hate-filled violent rhetoric, all combined with complete impotence...that seems to me to characterize the teabaggers, talk radio demagogues, and public personalities on the far right. Pat has Limbaugh's bloviating arrogance, Prejean's chowder-headed stupidity, Coulter's vileness, Gribbit's psychological projection, and the teabagger's complete lack of self-awareness all rolled into one pathetic package living in his mother's basement.
Posted by: Wes | November 13, 2009 9:10 PM
Brother Wes, can I get an Amen?! Thanks James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 9:13 PM
"Not all, I did see some coherent arguments which is why I volunteered help in manning-up your game. An offer that no longer stands given the rife bigotry that's been on display from you recently - I have little tolerance for haters."
With all due respect Mr. Heath. I wouldn't take you up on anything. Not on your best day....or mine.
See ya libbers!
-Pat
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 9:16 PM
Pat, I said it via email and I will say it here. You are a coward of the highest order. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 9:18 PM
Pat strikes me as the sort of person who really can't figure out why people are drawn away from him.
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | November 13, 2009 9:27 PM
OT . . .
Ed - Your 10/22 interview on your radio show of Air Force interrogater "Matthew Alexander*" related to his book was absolutely brilliant (listened to it on the podcast last evening). While I've read several books on our adventures in Iraq and closely followed the torture debate, my perspective on Iraq increased immensely based on your insightful questions having read "Alexander's" book and his responses. In fact three of "Alexander's" stories made up part of this evening dinnertime conversation.
* His pen name, I assume for reasons of national security and/or his own.
I would have provided a URL to the show but could only find a generic one, I'm not technically up to speed on exactly how podcasts work. I subscribe and all broadcasts get downloaded using one URL, therefore I couldn't provide a specific one. Here's the generic URL for all Ed's shows: http://feeds.feedburner.com/declaringindependencepodcast
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 13, 2009 9:27 PM
# 77 Sadie, he knows why, he just doesn't care. Thanks, James Also, he's a coward.
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 9:42 PM
Why would anyone post any personal information upon your request? You've already shown that you're quite willing to post people's personal information in an attempt to bully and threaten them into silence. You put Ed's Uncle's home up on your site and suggested that others pay him a visit, implying a violent outcome. Why would anyone in their right mind post their information for you?
No one who served in the military could be a liberal, ever?
You are such a fucking moron it is truly unbelievable. Where the hell do you think the veterans who played a major role in the anti-Vietnam protests came from? They were veterans by definition you asshat!
How do you get Kerry, Gore, Carter, Kennedy, Johnson, Truman? All veterans. Hell, by the standards of your moronic conservative movement Eisenhower would be considered a liberal!
James has provided enough information to support that he is, in fact, a liberal veteran. I served from '85 to '91 (counting reserves). Company 925 Great Mistakes RTC. Class '911 Damneck NTC. USS Oliver Hazzard Perry, USS Robert E. Peary. I was an Operations Specialist, finished up an OS2 (E-5) when I transferred from the active to inactive reserves). Personally, I'm so damn liberal I'll make your eyes bleed. Call me a Socialist Progressive Democrat and I'll thank you. I admire the hell out of Bernie Sanders and believe that the Democrats, as a party, are too conservative. Frothing yet Patty-girl?
My father was a multi-tour Vietnam combat vet. When he returned he marched in the Civil Rights movement and the anti-Vietnam war protests ... in other words, a liberal.
You really need to come out of that cellar, get some treatment for your paranoia and anger issues, stop blaming everyone else for the absolute fucking loser you appear to be, and then think about getting a job. Frankly, from what you've said, you appear to be the embodiment of everything you loath. A parasite that leeches off those of us who work, lazy, ignorant, loathsome. Get help.
Posted by: dogmeatib | November 13, 2009 9:48 PM
Well, Pat is now going to call the FBI on me because I called him a coward and then emailed him my archived emails between us. And I quote,"Prepare to go to jail..." Wow. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 10:02 PM
And to quote Pat," by the way how is the weather in Florida?" Funny, I don't remember telling him or anyone else I lived in Florida. Curious, that sounds like stalking to me. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 10:21 PM
I loved:
followed immediately by:
Set Irony-meters on 'Industrial-strength' were going into the basement. :D - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 13, 2009 10:45 PM
it's called running Wordpress the greatest blogging software on my planet and it gives me your IP address. and allows me to complain to the ISP for your actions. Which I am doing.
and I am also contacting the FBI in Detroit; of which I have an old friend that works there and I will be showing them ALL OF THIS, including the posts here, Including the crap don't by James on my Blog and I will be asking them, if this is a bona fide Cyber Stalking instance or not.
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 10:48 PM
"the greatest blogging software on my planet"
On THE planet... not MY planet... I ain't that ate up...Yet! :)
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 10:50 PM
Oh and Pat, just to help you out:
But note: the first sense is falling out of favour relative to the second sense.
Hope that helps - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 13, 2009 10:51 PM
Further more, James is accusing me of threatening him. Which I did not do. I simply said, I knew which STATE he lived in...and I do. I have no desire to hurt him or his family. I just want him to STOP e-mailing me and STOP trying to comment on my blog. I have told him ISP as much and will the FBI.
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 10:52 PM
Dear Pat,
Do you or do you not have control over what comments to post on your blog? Do you or do you not have the ability to block email from certain addresses? Do you have any concept of how this whole internet thing works, anyway, or what a complete moron you look like after threatening to call the FBI on someone for suggesting you're a stalker after what you've done? If you do call the FBI, I would love to hear what they say. By all means, report back to us. If you can manage to capture it as an audio files, by all means do so.
Posted by: Gretchen | November 13, 2009 10:59 PM
Gretchen, if big, scary Pat doesn't keep you up to speed, don't worry, I will. Thanks James
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 11:07 PM
Boy, after reading all of your comments I went right over to Pat's site, with the highest of expectations. I was sure disappointed. It's nothing but an endless pile of warmed-over third hand trash mined from the likes of Red State and World Net Daily, and retold in a mind-numbingly boring fashion by a pathetic nobody.
What's the fun of hitting away against this pathetic loser, when the world is full of people like Orly Taitz and Joseph Farah, who live their lunacy large?
Posted by: Green Eagle | November 13, 2009 11:19 PM
My Dear Pat,
the only person here who seems angry, frightened and/or the least bit threatening is you.
The rest of us here are mightily amused by your foolish antics.
Thanks, and keep up the entertainment :) - DJ
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PS: 'An old friend in the FBI'. That ol' Internet Tough-Guy standby gets my standard rejoinder: "Oh yes? Did I happen to mention I'm impressed"
Posted by: DingoJack | November 13, 2009 11:29 PM
Don't feed the troll (Pat). If he is not willing to play by the rules of honest rational debate, then don't play with him. He's not worth the frustration and time. It's important to have dialogue - especially with people with whom you disagree on important social/political issues - but this Pat guy seems to just be wasting everyone's time.
Posted by: Ron Brown | November 13, 2009 11:31 PM
1. The only thing I ever did, was come here said "F You" to Ed.
2. I also posted Ed's uncle's address. Which I pulled, because I am a man of integrity.
3. I also offered to stop the sniping sessions. Which I did; I haven't posted a think about Ed on my Blog since, nor will I.
But yet, Ed continues to drag this out.
Yes, I will adding Mr. James's IP address to the blacklist.
I really do not think that I have anything that the FBI would even be interested in here. Nobody threatened anyone or anything. I just wanted the guy to leave me be. As I will do here. I won't be a punching bag for the left any longer.
From here on out, if Ed wants to quote me, mock me, ect... I'll do what I should have done, when I saw the stupid video mocking Republicans; Ignored it. But, you know me, I had to say something, like an idiot.
Ed. The war is over. You win. I give up...
See ya,
-Pat
Posted by: Pat | November 13, 2009 11:33 PM
Pat, Thank you, James M. Phillips
Posted by: James M. Phillips | November 13, 2009 11:38 PM
Green Eagle - 'Oily Titz' is slouching off to obscurity, having had her 15 minutes of fame, and Ed gets plenty of fun squeezing out every last drop of WND insanity, hypocrisy and mendacity every other day.
Pat's just a welcome distraction that bowled in, tried to be an Internet Tough-Guy and got ripped a new one in short order (in between shooting himself, repeatedly, through his own feet).
Stick around for the real stories, I think you'll enjoy it! - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 13, 2009 11:39 PM
Pat wrote:
If you were a man of integrity, you never would have posted it in the first place, regardless of whose address it actually was.
Posted by: Vic Viper | November 13, 2009 11:54 PM
"Ed. The war is over. You win. I give up..."
USA USA USA USA
Posted by: JohnV | November 13, 2009 11:56 PM
Sometimes, people make me sad.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 13, 2009 11:59 PM
Oh, so that's the kind of thing that goes down in the military. Fascinating....
Posted by: AL | November 14, 2009 12:02 AM
While I truly hope Pat is sincere in his capitulation, I have learned one thing for sure about people of his ilk...rarely are they sincere. Thanks, James
Posted by: James M.Phillips | November 14, 2009 12:06 AM
I wonder if he's saying that now because he talked to his friend at the FBI and got a good laughing-at.
Oh, and Pat:
It's not the left you have to worry about. After seeing your picture and peering a little bit into your mind and soul, I can see the only thing you're a punching bag for is life. And you got a good pounding with the ugly stick inside and out.
I normally am much more reserved with my vitriol, but I let loose after considering that you dare to criticize others for leeching from the common good when you yourself have grown fat from the effort of all of us that have jobs, however tenuously.
To put it in terms you might understand better:
You're a parasite.
Posted by: Damien | November 14, 2009 12:17 AM
Well, now Pat can go back to regurgitating extremist conservative bullshit in near-complete obscurity from his mommy's basement.
I'll wager that weeks, months, and years from now Pat will be using this exchange with Ed to prove to the two people who stumble accidentally on his blog while looking for the stormfront website that Pat was able to bravely defend Conservative Values (you know, racism, homophobia, etc) from the Elitist Liberal Hordes.
Posted by: sinned34 | November 14, 2009 12:25 AM
I wonder if he's saying that now because he talked to his friend at the FBI and got a good laughing-at.
Oh, and Pat:
It's not the left you have to worry about. After seeing your picture and peering a little bit into your mind and soul, I can see the only thing you're a punching bag for is life. And you got a good pounding with the ugly stick inside and out.
I normally am much more reserved with my vitriol, but I let loose after considering that you dare to criticize others for leeching from the common good when you yourself have grown fat from the effort of all of us that have jobs, however tenuously.
To put it in terms you might understand better:
You're a parasite.
Posted by: Damien | November 14, 2009 12:29 AM
Too bad Pat might be stopping this. It was entertaining.
Posted by: IBY | November 14, 2009 12:39 AM
Hey, Pat's FBI Friend in Detroit --
I have been fucking your wife for the past three months. And boy is she unhappy!
Posted by: Daniel Kolle | November 14, 2009 1:28 AM
Protip: if you want to troll Pat further, download Torr to make easy use of anonymizing proxies. Don't let him dox your ass.
Posted by: Tyler DiPietro | November 14, 2009 1:28 AM
Sorry, the link embedded on Pat's name is to Tor...which I spelled wrong afterward...need sleepy.
Posted by: Tyler DiPietro | November 14, 2009 1:30 AM
Unlikely that Pesky Pat has a friend at FBI, else he would not claim to have.
If he does call the Bureau, he's likely to get either a non-committal "thanks for reporting that," or put on hold and sent to a voicemail box, where the agents will draw straws to see who gets to call him back and tell him "I'm sorry there's nothing we can do with this at the moment" and then listen to him hurl nasty words at them before hanging up.
But if he keeps pestering them, hoo-boy they are going to give him a scolding with substance.
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What I find really amusing about this is how a bunch of smart rationalists got successfully baited and trolled. The thing to do with an arsehole like Pesky Pat is to simply ignore him. Do not respond to his noise, and only ack his existence for the purpose of reminding people to ignore him.
Ignore him for a while and he will go away. Resist the temptation to reply to his nonsense at all.
Posted by: g347 | November 14, 2009 4:22 AM
The last time we chose to "Resist the temptation to reply to his nonsense at all" we ended up with the modern Republican Party. So there you go.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 14, 2009 5:24 AM
g347 - You're mistakenly assuming we find him annoying, threatening or in anyway frightening. Personally I simply find him to be a foolish, pathetic, lost individual who thinks playing an Internet Tough-Guy will make him feared and respected. Such delusions of grandeur deserve pricking with mockery.
You brought it on yourself 'two all beef PATties', suck it up. - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 14, 2009 6:36 AM
Ed:
I think you do make a mistake with Pat.
"Today's dumbass quote of the day comes from the dumbass of the century, our new friend Pat."
I think such statements contribute to significant DQOTD grade inflation. I mean what're we gonna do with quotes by Bec, Hannitoy, Rushbo and their ilk. Surely you know that they will be saying things that make Patsy's errors and omissions seem like pearls of wisdom. Then again, maybe not.
Posted by: democommie | November 14, 2009 8:27 AM
I'm slightly embarrassed at how much I enjoy Ed's Pat-related entries...
Posted by: Circe | November 14, 2009 8:45 AM
Posted by: Spidergrackle | November 14, 2009 8:57 AM
This reminds me of a section in The Worst D&D Adventure Ever (aka The Bible), specifically Exodus when, after each plague, the Pharoah promises to let Moses and his people go, then at the last minute changes his mind and gets another plague. The author's comedic timing is off (it's funniest the third time; more than that, not so much) and this story keeps repeating - broken promise, plague, promise - until the author runs out of new plagues to invent ("A deluge of solicitors during the evening meal!", "A Flock of Seagulls!", "Carrot Top!", &c.)
So goeth Pat. Hurling insults of the sort expected of a Level 5 Half-Troll Paste Eater, Brave Sir Pat suffers a withering torrent of well-deserved abuse, everything from Cone of Mockery and Psychic Bitchslap to the mighty +10 Cluebat, until Brave Sir Pat once again "admits" "defeat", skulks away for a few days until his magical relic (Vecna's Empty Brainpan) recharges and he waddles valiantly back into the fray with a quiverfull of Teh Stupid. And so it goes...
My vote: Keep kicking him until either he learns to disagree using evidence and well-crafted argument or until he stops coming back. Pack a lunch; this may take a while.
Posted by: Bob | November 14, 2009 9:06 AM
Personally, I've had my fill of the Pat-baiting (but don't let that spoil anyone else's fun), so I'll try to say something serious here. What we see in his angry "Liberals suck/Conservatives rule!" refrain is not conservatism as the advocacy of a certain set of assertions about economics and governance. Those could be rationally argued for (as indeed folks like Michael Heath sometimes do) or against on their merits, practical compromise positions reached, and so on. Instead, it is naked tribalism, in which Liberal and Conservative are labels applied simplistically in response to a few ill-considered shibboleths about taxes, "socialism" and race. The content does not matter -- I doubt that Pat himself comprehends the ideas except as slogans -- only the choosing of a virtuous Us and a despised Them as an outlet for rage over his personal frustrations and failures.
Of course Pat and his ilk did not originate this view of the political world; he is the outcome at the grassroots level of the poisonous rhetoric served up by the likes of Limbaugh, Coulter, O'Reilly and the rest. If I wasn't feeling lazy this Saturday AM, I'd figure out exactly which circle of Dante's Hell they belong in, for that grievous sin against democratic civilization.
Posted by: Eamon Knight | November 14, 2009 10:15 AM
"I had to say something, like an idiot."
Congratulations Pat, you succeeded: every time I read something you said I thought "What an idiot." Well played.
Posted by: dean | November 14, 2009 10:24 AM
Bob @ 115:
I enjoyed your post.
However, Pat didn't masochistically come back looking to get beat on. Instead Ed went after Pat given Pat's racist rants against others.
One of my observations regarding all conservatives, except some of their intellectuals, is their inability to understand how their dishonest rhetorical attacks against others in the public square justifies our calling them out. Sarah Palin attacks much of America as not real, she's criticized, and she reacts by striking a persecution pose.
I continuously get viral conservative emails from some golf buddies. They're always dishonest hate-filled invectives against whichever
liberalnon-conservative they feel most threatens their ability to win the day in the public square, e.g., Hillary Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Crist, Colin Powell, and obviously now, President Obama. I have never once received a conservative viral email that was well-framed, honest, and most concerning, cogent.When I respond by dispassionately pointing out that what they are spreading is not true, i.e., the argument fails because the assertions used to build the argument are not true, they're personally offended and wounded I would be so mean to them for pointing out their attempts to dishonestly besmirch the character of another. It's as if those they attack are not American, not human, or in any way worthy of the same considerations they demand for themselves.
We now encounter this in Pat, which is why I went from attempting to help Pat from continuously being on the losing end of a debate to promoting his vilification given his spreading of racial hatred and unwarranted attacks on others that could enable some to justify violence.
It's this inability to think cogently, after observing this behavior for 40 years now, that convinces me that most are in fact delusional, a position I finally stopped resisting and accepted after watching the 2004 election unfold. Of course my position since that election has been amply validated since by the ever-increasing craziness we see out of them.
So Pat has not shown himself to be a masochist like our mroberts who has a cyclical tendency to come here get beat on after saying something particulary dishonest and hateful. Instead Pat's a failed human being who looks to blame others for his own failures, in this it's non-conservatives, who he mistakenly refers to as liberals. The fact the Republican party has decided to market itself in a way that attract and promote such dysfunctional behavior is a major reason I left that party after 29 years, which is nearly my entire adult life.
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 14, 2009 11:01 AM
@Eamon Knight: excellent, accurate analysis. Pat and the people like him are not conservatives, they're authoritarians, and their impulses are borne of tribalism, not reasoned political considerations.
Posted by: Sadie Morrison | November 14, 2009 11:06 AM
Eamon Knight - we posted over top of each other. Thanks for saying in one word, tribalism, what took me an entire paragraph to query ("When I respond by . . .").
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 14, 2009 11:20 AM
Michael Heath:
I have friends who are lifelong members of the GOP. They are not people who would try to tell me that Mr. Obama is a lizard person from Kenya who wants to set up death panels in order to supply his reptilian overlords with ample supplies of meat, both fresh and aged on the hoof.
When I start hearing the sort of nonsense you're talking about in e-mails I block them. If people bring it up in public I tell them, generally in a fairly loud voice, just how far off base they are.
Posted by: democommie | November 14, 2009 12:57 PM
Pat: US Army, 1989-1991, 98GL SigInt Linquist, Fort Leonard Wood, Presidio Monterrey, Fort Huachuca, Fort Devens, Pentagon, Fort Eustis, and disabled vet. And progressive liberal with definate socialist tendencies. You can spot the liberals and socialists because we tend to be ones who serve for the greater good, not for personal glory (not always, but I have found this generalization to be (within my (admittedly) limited personal experiences and acquaintances) true more often then not).
That said, bise mich!
Posted by: (((Billy))) The Atheist | November 14, 2009 1:25 PM
Circe wrote:
Me too, except there have been some damn funny posts made at Pat's expense. I've been a little down lately and these threads have really kept me laughing. I daresay they even cheered me up. (Thanks guys!) Schadenfreude: good for the soul. Who knew?
Posted by: Leni | November 14, 2009 1:56 PM
2. Because you are not interested in rational political discussion, but rather ad hominem attacks against me, because I am a Conservative.
I am married to a conservative; my father was a conservative; I have many friends who are conservative. You, sir, are no conservative.
Posted by: Shay | November 14, 2009 1:59 PM
Oh, and Pat? USMC/USMCR 1979-2000. Registered Democrat and member of NOW, World Wildlife Fund, Amnesty International, etc. the entire time, complete with commie pinko librul bumper-stickers on the POV I drove on base.
Sucks to be you, dunnit.
Posted by: Shay | November 14, 2009 2:07 PM
Nice Pale Scot @4 way to stereotype a population. Guess I shouldn't try an intelligent conversation with you because of your clear bias and overall xenophobia. Pat isn't from the South but I am and yes there are plenty of people with the same categorical hatred for general populations here so I guess that makes you just as bigoted and emotional as the Southerners you hate so much. Good luck with that bit of irony.
Posted by: James Taylor | November 14, 2009 9:17 PM
Bob @114 -- I failed my will check, and damn near died laughing.
Posted by: WMDKitty | November 14, 2009 11:11 PM
Michael Heath "The fact the Republican party has decided to market itself in a way that attract and promote such dysfunctional behavior is a major reason I left that party after 29 years, which is nearly my entire adult life."
But, Micheal, pointy-headed Liberals think they're smarter than you are!
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 15, 2009 12:50 AM
James Taylor: So claiming that a group of people in a certain region have no sense of irony is now an example of "xenophobia" and "hatred?" That's pretty mild criticism from Ed for you to go all drama king on us.
Posted by: daniel rotter | November 15, 2009 3:20 AM
bet you were not vocal about your liberalism in the Military or they would have tossed you out. or shot and killed you and buried your sorry ass out behind the base somewhere.
Um, no. If I wasn't afraid to be a liberal openly in East Texas, then I certainly wouldn't be afraid of openly being liberal in the US Air Force--and wasn't. While in the service, I worked on political campaigns in my free time (we can do that, you know). Of course I supported Democrats. As long as it didn't interfere with my military career, I could do it all I wanted. And did.
My campaign work went right on my military performance evaluations, because you always need some resume fodder demonstrating community involvement when you're up for promotions. If you can scrounge up two brain cells to rub together, pat, think about what I did: Think about how I was openly declaring my political inclinations not just to the people writing reports who could decide my future, but for every bar, leaf or star who would ever look at it--nay, to the entire fucking Pentagon, even the President of the US of A! Your beloved, Ronald Reagan no less!. And Bush the Elder, too.
Would you put your career on the line that way, pat. Oh, wait. You'd need a job first, other than getting your next frag on Halo.
So it's a no-go with this bullshit about liberals not being in the military or being cowards. You'd know better, if you'd ever had the guts to back up your bullshit by enlisting (although I doubt you'd get past a recruiter--they could be discharged for letting in stupid and cowardly of your caliber).
If you somehow made it past the fail-safes to keep the likes of you out, you're the kind of guy whose gun should have carved on it: Never fired--dropped often.
Posted by: Aquaria | November 15, 2009 1:43 PM