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Posted on: November 22, 2009 9:02 AM, by Ed Brayton
And they're quite proud of doing so, announcing it on their blog. The Lafayette County, MO Republicans have put up a billboard calling for revolution. And the banner on the billboard says "PREPARE FOR WAR--LIVE FREE OR DIE!" Here's the picture:
Imagine their reaction if a group of Democrats had put up such a billboard when Bush was in office.
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Bit of a fail on the image posting there, Ed: you can only see the left edge of the billboard.
Posted by: Spidergrackle | November 22, 2009 9:05 AM
Mike the Mad Biologist has the pic:
here.
Posted by: MikeMa | November 22, 2009 9:09 AM
(I think it's only visible to conservative eyes...)
Posted by: Circe | November 22, 2009 9:15 AM
Here are their three policy proposals:
By noting 'starving the beast' prior to voting out incumbents, they appear to advocate either voting out incumbents, or break the law by not paying your taxes.
Either way their argument is certainly anti-American and traitorous to both America and liberal democratic ideals that are the underlying policy prescription of our constitutional republic and have been since its conception.
They also seem to not understand the original Tea Party wasn't 'no' to taxation, but instead no to taxation without representation, even though the debt King George III's Parliament was attempting to pay-down was created defending the very people in the colonies who revolting against him.
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 22, 2009 9:21 AM
"Revolution of a corrupt government"?
It's nice to see the Republican Party giving their guide to how they will revolutionise government (if they ever get back in power) and what people can do if that catastrophe should happen. - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 22, 2009 9:21 AM
The image above is there in full, it's just not being displayed. If you right-click and choose "view image" to get the direct link, you can see it.
Posted by: Morgan | November 22, 2009 9:36 AM
This is the direct link to Ed's picture:
http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/I-70%20Billboard%2011_19_09.jpg
Posted by: doctorgoo | November 22, 2009 9:37 AM
Ugh. The worst part is "A citizens guide to revolution". You'd think it would occur to them to use proper grammar on a BILLBOARD. Now I just can't take them seriously. Who edits these things?
Posted by: Adele | November 22, 2009 9:45 AM
Michael Heath: When I was in grade school in Canada, we learned that the American "insurgents" were ingrates who, if not for the British Army and Navy, would today be speaking French and eating rich sauces. We also learned that their mistreatment of the Loyalists after they won (because of French assistance) would toady merit UN sanctions.
Posted by: JusticeLeague | November 22, 2009 10:15 AM
"the debt King George III's Parliament was attempting to pay-down was created defending the very people in the colonies who revolting against him"
History is, of course, more complicated than this. What was at issue in the conditions the colonists were put under after the 7-Years/F-I War was the fact that the colonists believed they were fighting for the land the French were in, leading up to the Mississippi.
The British, on the other hand, forced the colonists to stay out of that land, desiring to keep a buffer between the colonies and the Spanish-owned territories in the west. The Brits were charging the Americans to pay for the WHOLE war (including the more expensive naval campaigns in the Caribbean, which probably would have been fought over even without the land-war, over a source of FAR more wealth for the British than the mainland colonies ever were). The port cities (Boston, Philadelphia, Charleston) were taking the brunt of the costs even though they gained absolutely nothing from the conflict at all - no new land meant no new exportable resources from which to collect middle-man profits (given that they were still under severe limitations on how much manufacturing they could do).
It was, quite literally, paying money for nothing. 12 years of that is going to piss anybody off.
Now, would representation change any of that? The colonists, having seen the power (none at all) of the Welsh and Scottish representatives, knew better than to think it would. "Taxation without Representation" was a nice slogan, convenient for the time, but in no way the heart of the anger that led to the Revolution.
Posted by: Joe Shelby | November 22, 2009 10:20 AM
Sorry guys. Fixed the picture.
Posted by: Ed Brayton | November 22, 2009 10:31 AM
Joe Shelby states:
It was more than a 'nice slogan'. An even broader princple was an inherent part of the Declaration of Independence attempting to justify our declaring our independence. I quote:
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 22, 2009 10:40 AM
Maybe I've been reading too much Slacktivist, but the fact that "Beast" is capitalized makes me think less about taxing and more about the Anti-Christ
Posted by: nedlum | November 22, 2009 10:43 AM
That 'starve the beast' line is interesting. IIRC, in Krakauer's book "Under the Banner of Heaven", the particular slogan was used by die-hard fundamentalist Mormons, who would get their children by various wives on welfare to get the US government closer to bankruptcy. Add that to the capitialized 'Beast', and I start to wonder.
Posted by: Brian Robinson | November 22, 2009 10:51 AM
nedium - perhaps they're thinking of Dr. Henry Philip "Hank" McCoy :) - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 22, 2009 10:54 AM
The republican party used to be a (somewhat)respectable party, now they have totally degenerated into a group of hysterical anti-government conspiracy nuts. If there are any sane people left in the republican party they need to reign in these crazies before they destroy not only theyr own party but possiblly this country as well.
Posted by: rex | November 22, 2009 11:14 AM
I wonder if they realize that their call for revolution against the government is a direct death to the men and woman in law enforcement and the military whom they bray their love of all the time?
Posted by: History Punk | November 22, 2009 11:24 AM
Posted by: llewelly | November 22, 2009 11:24 AM
"
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
"
Treason season started early this year.
Posted by: History Punk | November 22, 2009 12:09 PM
JusticeLeague,
Off-topic and purely out of curiosity, how did the Canadian schools treat the topic of the ethnic cleansing of the Acadians under Governor Lawrence?
Posted by: Pohranicni Straze | November 22, 2009 12:26 PM
"Live free or die"? As a life long resident of New Hampshire I'm pretty pissed off that they are using a John Stark quote for their poorly conceived and seditious political messages. Stark would've kicked their asses.
They are already free. If they are too dumb to know that then they should just die. Stupidity is pretty confining I guess.
Posted by: JimPhones | November 22, 2009 12:27 PM
#20-That would depend on whether they were Anglophone or Francophone schools. How did US schools in that era (late 1960s) treat the Trail of Tears?
Posted by: JusticeLeague | November 22, 2009 12:42 PM
#22- I can't speak on the 1960s (wasn't around for that time); by the 1980s, in my area of the country (south Louisiana), the Trail of Tears was taught as a tragic episode in American history, but at the same time Andrew Jackson was portrayed as one of the great presidents (and his role in the tragedy was not emphasized). I would guess that the strange dichotomy was at least partially because 1) many of us were part Indian and 2) Jackson defeated the British at the Battle of New Orleans.
Posted by: Pohranicni Straze | November 22, 2009 1:10 PM
@Michael Heath:
"they appear to advocate either voting out incumbents, or break the law by not paying your taxes. Either way their argument is certainly anti-American"
Either way? Voting out incumbents is anti-American?
Besides, there's nothing anti-American about breaking the law. Our country was founded by pirates and privateers. Breaking the law is an American pastime. We're the nation of Thoreau, of abolitionists, of MLK. We were the first to promote the ideas that inspired Gandhi. When the law is wrong, we don't wait for politicians to get around to fixing it; we flout the law as openly as possible until the politicians are forced to change it out of embarrassment.
"They also seem to not understand the original Tea Party wasn't 'no' to taxation, but instead no to taxation without representation, even though the debt King George III's Parliament was attempting to pay-down was created defending the very people in the colonies who revolting against him."
"No taxation without representation" was just a marketing slogan. If we had been offered representation, we would have been outvoted on everything anyway. Our pre-war delegates to Britain were explicitly instructed to do whatever they needed to make sure an offer of representation was never made. And the debt was created defending the geographical monopoly status of the East India Company. Americans of the time would have been much better off if George hadn't 'defended' them. His motivations weren't too different from our current government's motives in AfPakIraq. If taxing Americans to pay that debt was morally legitimate, then we should start taxing the Afghans.
While it is true that the newly-formed United States government did try to impose some taxes of its own even early on, incidents like Shays's rebellion, the Whiskey rebellion, Fries's rebellion, etc. make it clear that they acquired this power through force of arms rather than through the acquiescence of the people.
Posted by: Miko | November 22, 2009 1:26 PM
#22- Not to defend the Acadian deportation, which would, as you stated, be seen in modern terms as an ethnic cleansing, but very few Acadians died. The many who remained behind in the Canadian Maritimes are a fully-recognized community, considered distinct from the Quebecois. They have retained full language rights, both under the Federal government and in New Brunswick, which is officially bilingual and has many areas that are predominantly or even exclusively French.
Contrast that with the 10,000 or more Cherokee and Choctaw who died on the Trail of Tears and the lack of recognition of native rights.
Posted by: JusticeLeague | November 22, 2009 1:33 PM
@Ed: If you searched hard enough, I'm sure you could find a similar billboard (or at least mass-produced bumper sticker) displaying the Democratic take on the same idea. If not, then shame on the Democrats.
And they aren't so much calling for revolution as recognizing it as one of several options. As a pacifist, I don't care for the idea, but seeing as the military has detailed plans on how it would suppress such a revolution, it seems only fair that the people likewise list it among their options. While I may disagree completely with the Republicans motives for desiring revolution, I'll wholeheartedly support the idea "that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it." This is a completely peaceful process which only turns into violent revolution when the government attempts to suppress this right of the people.
Posted by: Miko | November 22, 2009 1:37 PM
I don't believe it's known who put up the billboard. As far as I know, the Lafayette County Republicans just posted about it on their blog.
Posted by: Jamie McCarthy | November 22, 2009 1:58 PM
OneNewsNow has some not-too-dissimilar sentiments right now: http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=777754
"Chuck Colson, founder of Prison Fellowship Ministries, helped draft the Manhattan Declaration, which affirms the sanctity of human life, marriage as the union of one man and one woman, religious liberty, and freedom of conscience. Where those values are threatened, the document endorses civil disobedience under some circumstances.
Organizers of today's official release say the Manhattan Declaration sends "a clear and strong call to Christians" and "a warning to civil authorities."
They say it's been signed by more than 125 evangelical, Catholic, and Orthodox Christian leaders."
It doesn't link to the document itsself, but from that description it appears to be urging Christians ignore any laws they consider unchristian. I don't know if this is the 'break the law and confess to police as a form of protest' type of civil disobedience or the 'throw a molotov through the clinic window, then get jailed and claim to be a martyr' type of civil disobediance.
Posted by: Suricou Raven | November 22, 2009 2:01 PM
Except under no reasonable definition of the term have conservatives had any rights to enact peaceful change suppressed. They haven't been suppressed at all; they just lost an election. In fact, I'd say they seem to have more right to protest than liberals do: the seem to be allowed to carry guns to political rallies, while liberals were being arrested for wearing t-shirts with anti-Bush slogans.
Posted by: Scott Hanley | November 22, 2009 2:17 PM
I stated @ 4:
Miko @ 24:
I never intended to convey an argument that voting out incumbents was 'anti-American' which is obviously an absurd argument. Please forgive my not being clearer in my point, which I'll re-draft here:
Miko @ 24:
A global statement like that is absurd. Certaintly there are valid reasons to break laws as a form of protest, but they are advocating war against the United States of America because they legitimately lost an election in 2008 and don't like our spending levels without arguing what they'd cut, Defense, Social Security, or Medicare which make up the vast majority of spending.
Paying your taxes is consistent with American ideals if those taxes were democratically decided by either our direct consent or by legislation. See the complaint we lodged as justification to revolt during the Revolutionary War as stated in the DofI, For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent: [italics mine].
If you disagree with tax rates or spending levels, and we continue to enjoy access to the democratic process to advocate for a change, we have no principled justification to "prepare for war" and "Live free or die" - an actual revolt as this group advocates we do against the United States of America - which is also treasonous, i.e., Art. II Section 3 of the Constitution:
Miko:
Uh, for the second time in two days, no it was not merely a marketing slogan. It was one justification for revolting against Great Britain, see quote above from DofI.
Miko:
My goodness, please read the Declaration of Independence. There were many reasons listed arguing we were justified in declaring ourselves no longer under the control of the British Empire, not merely the lack of representation in collecting taxes on us.
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 22, 2009 2:21 PM
The Declaration of Independence, while certainly well written, is a propaganda document, and like all propaganda documents it should be taken with more than a few grains of salt.
Posted by: lukas | November 22, 2009 3:22 PM
@JusticeLeague
Funny, we learned almost the exact opposite : the insurgents were courageous fellows oppressed by the vile British government and fighting for their rights while the Loyalists were whiny cowards and assholes. But then, I speak French and like rich sauces! ;-)
Posted by: BdN | November 22, 2009 4:22 PM
Live Free or Die?
What the heck! Can NH sue the Missouri Republicans for copyright infringement?
Posted by: Arthur Hunt | November 22, 2009 4:48 PM
I just watched part of a show on the History channel last night in which an American historian explained how the U.S. defended itself against the nasty navy of the British, whilst forgetting to mention that the British sent their navy because the U.s. invaded the British colonies to the north, e.g. Upper Canada. They certainly don't teach American children much about the land battles, in which the invaders were decisively defeated.
Posted by: Monado, FCD | November 22, 2009 5:26 PM
lukas @ 31:
What country are you from and who taught you that cockamamie notion?
I can assure you that in the U.S.A. the DofI is no way perceived as a propaganda piece nor have I ever encountered an argument convincingly defining it as such, or imagine a successful effort. The DofI was our attempt to justify what Great Britain correctly perceived as treason. There is legitimate debate to what standards we reached: moral, legal, etc.; but propaganda? Uh, no.
Posted by: Michael Heath | November 22, 2009 5:30 PM
If humanity was entirely made up of these morons, it'd be a race of hunter-gatherers.
Posted by: Katharine | November 22, 2009 5:44 PM
If the DofI is not a propaganda piece, why is it so long? It obviously speaks to an audience and tries to convince, presenting some facts in a certain way and omitting others in order to achieve the desired effect.
Posted by: lukas | November 22, 2009 6:01 PM
The Declaration is an independence statement. More important is the Bill of Rights which states more clearly some (not all) or the rights upon which America was founded. And a good set of rights it is. I dare say most western countries agree with them. Freedom of the press and religion, no unreasonable searches, habeas corpus etc. Now we don't always live up to them all the time *koff*Bush*koff* but it's a good start for a country some 230 years old.
Posted by: Phil | November 22, 2009 6:08 PM
Michael Heath,
I personally believe that The DOI was a copy of the theory of interposition used in the English Civil war. I think it was Hooker who used it and I think a credible case can be made that he usedmany of the ideas of Aquinas and the scholastics. These are also some of the ideas that Locke based his theories on.
The argument was that a lower magistrate could overthrow the King if he abdicated his thrown because of tyranny. They seemed to have resorted to a more universal argument based on "unalienable rights" once their argument that they had the rights of Englishmen failed.
This was essentially a legal document prepared to defend them against the charge of treason just like you stated. What most do not know is that one can make a good argument that this manner of legal reasoning was a classically Christian one that sought to get around those that would say that would support the "Divine Right of Kings" because of Romans 13.Jon Rowe has a good post on that deals with some of this issue at American Creation. He critiques a post on how the Modern World came to be by Jason Kuzinzky.
With all that said, if the government is becoming tyrannical, and I think we are more than on our way, at some point the people need to take back the country. Of course, the preferred way would be at the ballot box. But if both parties do not stop infringing on our rights then at some point, way far down the road from here, the people may want to consider that last resort.
I would say this as much or more about all the illegal crap Bush did. If he can throw someone's driver in a prison camp for years he can do it to me. I am not so sure as to why this sign is so far off in the abstract. I think we are so consumed with the boxes of party and Liberal vs. Conservative that we have lost sight that Presidental power has increased no matter who is in there.
I remember someone commenting on one of Ed's frequent posts about Presidental power by asking how many of these powers created by Executive Order were similar to the powers that King George had. I am in no way saying that anyone should take up arms at this point. But, if we continue to slide toward being a "republic" in name only like Rome was right before the Ceasars took over my thoughts on that may change.
Posted by: King of Ireland | November 22, 2009 6:10 PM
why is everyone calling this treason. The latest thing i have seen as treason is the damned healthcare bill. It makes slaves out of us and no sane person seems to care.
Besides, it's fair enough. You liberals/marxists have declared war on Christmas, religion in general, conservatism, and ahost of other things. Now it's out turn to declare war right back at you.
You people have not realized that war works two ways. You attack your enemy and your enemy retaliates. Fair enough?
Liberals have commited treason by letting socialism into this nation. That in itself is a crime worthy of hanging. Secondly communism is here. We actually have a communist party, and yet the CIA does nothing about it. TREASON was committed when the enemy took over this nation. So far leftists have tried to change this independent country made up of 48 (MA and CA doesn't count anymore)sovereign states and are trying to turn it into a dicatatorship ruled by union thugs, ACORN criminals, ACLU freakshow communists, marxist leftists, black liberation theology marxists, and the like. What is NOT treasonous about that? !
Posted by: Captain Patriot | November 22, 2009 6:18 PM
Captain Patriot is the best satirist of the 21st century.
Posted by: Brandon | November 22, 2009 6:26 PM
That was a pretty great satire (the TREASON sentence was simply awesome), Captain Patriot. It's only weak points are being just a little too coherent. Also there aren't quite enough randomly capitalized words. But bravo overall.
Posted by: Josh | November 22, 2009 6:32 PM
I agree with Brandon: nice work, Captain Patriot. It's high time the CIA recognized its responsibility of defending core American principles by silencing unpopular *domestic* political speech and by finally winning the War on Christmas.
Let's take our country back!
Posted by: Will | November 22, 2009 6:40 PM
One question:
What the hell is "world citizen"? Hussein Obama declared himself to be a "world citizen" at one time. I have to tell you that this phrase is very scary. It's almost as if he hates his country enough to dis it's soveriegnty.
I am NOT nor will I ever be a "world citizen". I am an independent sovereign citizen. I bow to no man and no government. Furthermore, it is phrases like this and the push for a one world government that has many people wanting a revolution.
A one world government is an evil thing. The last time this happened, the people were scattered over the earth and lost their language. (See the story of tow of Babel).
I don't see what all the fuss is over. real Americans, aka conservative traditionalists have not committed treason, We are only tryingt to keep our country from becomeing like Europe - a reackless, broke, sodomite endorsing dictatorship.
Posted by: Captain Patriot | November 22, 2009 6:47 PM
"What the hell is "world citizen"? Hussein Obama declared himself to be a "world citizen" at one time."
I know, right?! Thinking that there's something around other than your own country is madness! MADNESS!
"I have to tell you that this phrase is very scary."
Pah! You want a really scary phrase? Vagina dentata.
"The last time this happened, the people were scattered over the earth and lost their language. (See the story of tow of Babel)."
First of all, that never happened. I'm not much for declaring absolutes, but if the biblical timeline is followed, no matter where the Babel tale falls on it, it's far too recent to account for the multiplicity of languages. There's not much use scattering Man when he's already been in the New World and Australia since before the creation of the universe which, I assure you, came as quite a shock to both groups.
"I don't see what all the fuss is over. real Americans, aka conservative traditionalists have not committed treason..."
Did not the poorly planned, based on (a multiplicity of interconnecting, reality ignoring) lies invasion of Iraq give aid and comfort to the enemy?
"We are only tryingt to keep our country from becomeing like Europe - a reackless, broke, sodomite endorsing dictatorship."
Reckless? Check (long before the present administration).
Broke? Check (long before the present administration). Brokernow. Obama didn't make the debt, deficit or depression. He inherited it.
Sodomite endorsing? I don't know about that. I have yet to see this sodomite endorsification. All I see are other Americans very slowly getting the rights that the Popular Majority takes for granted.
Dictatorship? Check (again, not a new thing).
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 22, 2009 7:08 PM
Maybe I missed something, but I do hope 'Captain Patriot' is a pardoy...
Nobody can really be that stupid and paranoid.
Then again, there are those Tea Party morons...
Posted by: slpage | November 22, 2009 7:14 PM
Captain Patriot isn't a satirist, he's a whiny little asshole who can't stand the fact that an election didn't go his way. Fortunately, he's impotent to do anything about it.
Posted by: Taz | November 22, 2009 7:18 PM
The Tea Party movment is an awakening of real Americans who know that this nation was founded on the Biblcal principles, morality, and independednt freedom FROM governmental tyranny. We are only trying to take back what the radical acid slurpers of the 1960s stole from this nation. Not talking about civil rights movement. I'm talking about the movemnet away from America's founding. We only want to reclaim it. We do not wish to be like Europe. Hence, we wouold move to Europe. We are soverign, not a copycat.
Posted by: Captain Patriot | November 22, 2009 7:19 PM
Miko:
Good Lord, that's the whole point: the people involved in this debate have completely lost their sense of perspective. There is a world of difference between, say, sending people off to the gas chambers and raising an unpopular parcel tax to build a freeway. I don't know about anybody else, but it seems to me that we need to start calling on people to start acting and thinking like grownups.
I once had an extreme libertarian type say to me that the only difference between a tax to build a roads and the complete enslavement of all workers by the government is in degree. I suppose that's true, but that's the way the real world is. Everything is a matter of degree, and normal functioning human beings can decide what is reasonable and what is not.
If one of my coworkers disagrees on how a design should work, I can:
* Ignore it.
* Disagree with him in a design meeting.
* Shout him down so nobody can hear him at all.
* Stab him through the eye with scissors and burn the office to the ground.
All of these are reactions that differ in degree, but most people can figure out where on the continuum they should end up.
What I'm saying is that the jump from, "I didn't get my way in government this one time on this one fiscal issue," to, "I must bathe in your blood and see your children driven before me," has become appallingly short. Exactly how do we expect to run a halfway functional society when the set of possible outcomes is either having it your way 100% of the time and complete social meltdown?
We're talking about simple governance here, and we're talking about adults. Didn't we all learn in kindergarten that sometimes you don't get what you want, and other people get to have a say too?
Posted by: Troublesome Frog | November 22, 2009 7:23 PM
The "Tea Party movement" is a joke, and so are you.
Posted by: Taz | November 22, 2009 7:30 PM
So, if they start an armed revolution, do we get to take pot shots at them? Like from the windows or something? I would seriously consider buying a gun for that. Are those 50 caliber sniper rifles illegal?
It'd be like the roof scene from Dawn of the Dead where they shoot zombies that look like various famous people. We could get all the ones that looked like Chuck Norris first!
Posted by: Leni | November 22, 2009 8:35 PM
Captain Patriot is the exact type that gives all Christians a bad name. There legitimate points that the tea baggers make but most are just passed that there is a black president. Most cannot sort out the sound intellectual arguments of a need to return to our "Classical liberal" past from the hay seed rantings about gays and other civil rights issues. There is a difference.
Posted by: king of Ireland | November 22, 2009 8:42 PM
Cap'n Parrot - This is the result of your planned 'revolution':
Welcome to the revolution. - DJ
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*I have been itching to use this slightly modified quote for a while and Cap'n Parrot has given me the perfect opportunity.
Posted by: DingoJack | November 22, 2009 9:18 PM
"A one world government..."
Given the context in which it's used, I've never understood this phrase. Shouldn't it be "one government world?"
Posted by: daniel rotter | November 22, 2009 9:27 PM
(Note to Cap'n Parrot and all his Religious Right Retard* ilk - Xenophon was an Archean and thus a non-Christian, and yet he managed to show show more morality then any of you fools. So much for the "Christianity = morality" equivalency). - DJ
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* No offense KoI, I do not include you (or others that believe that post here) in this, merely those who regurgitate the crusading right-wing talking points mindlessly, without considering the consequences.
Posted by: DingoJack | November 22, 2009 9:33 PM
We are only trying to take back what the radical acid slurpers of the 1960s stole from this nation
Well, yes, them and 9.5 million voters, or have you forgotten that?
Posted by: Shay | November 22, 2009 9:55 PM
"Secondly communism is here. We actually have a communist party, and yet the CIA does nothing about it"
First- that is the FBI's area of responsibility. Having worked in the FBI Reading Room and other FBI record archives, I can tell you that the FBI does quite a bit about it.
Second- Having worked with CIA archival records, I can tell you that they too fought hard against Communism.
Posted by: History Punk | November 22, 2009 9:58 PM
Katherine @36 -
No - if humanity was entirely made up of these morons it would be extinct long ago.
Posted by: M | November 22, 2009 10:42 PM
Michael Heath:
Miko is a troll. He's been here before, he spouts shit, he's never right about anything important.
Captain Parrotdroppings:
What unit was that again, the one you served in overseas to protect all of us?
"Captain Patriot" is such silly name, why don't you call yourself "Commiescourge" or something like that?
Posted by: democommie | November 22, 2009 10:50 PM
DJ
No offense taken. They piss me off too.
Posted by: king of Ireland | November 22, 2009 10:56 PM
Is Captain Patriot DC or Marvel?
Posted by: tresmal | November 22, 2009 11:21 PM
tresmal - DC, I'd say. Marvel tend to make their characters more 'human', DC goes for 'Tarzan on a red scooter' types. :) - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 22, 2009 11:35 PM
KoI,
Which legitimate points might those be? I would argue that, excluding those who have been tax protesters for decades, they are a bunch of hypocrites who simply don't like the fact that their party lost. I've asked these "patriotic Americans" the half dozen times I've happened upon their "principled protests" where they were for the last eight years. The response has ranged from blank stares to sudden bouts of sputtering, to glares that threatened violence. Not once was there a principled response, frankly they're mostly, by a huge margin, totally full of shit.
There are a tiny minority of tax protesters, mostly libertarians, who are generally, in my opinion, living in a similar fantasy land to those die hard communists, but who do have legitimate arguments about responsible fiscal government (that they generally take to ridiculous extremes). But realistically I would argue that the vast majority, like Dove soap, 99 44/100% of the rational people in our country realize that fiscal responsibility is a desirable goal, but isn't always a part of our social and economic reality.
Posted by: dogmeatib | November 22, 2009 11:38 PM
They've removed it from their blog. Someone with a google account post a comment telling them that they won't get away with it.
Posted by: Jim | November 23, 2009 12:20 AM
Yeah, remember back in the days when we Americans truly lived free? Back when Dubya was president we didn't spend our days toiling endlessly for scraps in forced labor camps, living our bleak existences under the specter of a socialist regime that has so drastically changed our lives for the worse and curtailed our freedom. How did we ever let these liberal facists take over and turn our once great nation into an exact facsimile of Stalinist Russia? Well, I'm off to the breadline where I will loudly proclaim my love of our great leader Obama so as to not be shot in the back of the head. Dosvidanya comrades.
Posted by: Android B | November 23, 2009 1:15 AM
Shay wrote:
I was going to make that same point. But while I was writing it out it occurred to me that an armed revolt of Captain Patriots would be utterly and completely indistinguishable from a zombie horde.
Then I realized that fantasizing about picking the bastards off one by one would be a far more productive use of my time then attempting to engage one of them in a conversation.
Posted by: Leni | November 23, 2009 1:41 AM
@Rex: no need to reign in the loonies; if there are any respectable Republicans left they should simply split the party and call themselves Republican - the loony camp can come up with their own name. There was a pretty big split in T. Roosevelt's era.
Posted by: MadScientist | November 23, 2009 3:28 AM
Captain Patriot is no real American. He and the rest of his ilk advocate violent governmental overthrow and use propaganda tactics Goebbels or Stalin would smile at.
It is worth saying, by the way, that every notorious right-wing authoritarian movement has been sexually repressive, and the teabaggers - not necessarily all Republicans, but the teabaggers - are quite oddly following Mussolini and the like in their rank sexism and homophobia.
Not to pull a Godwin's Law, but.
Nor was this country founded on anything from your buy-bull - the Founding Fathers were, at closest to your wack-jobby philosophy, deists.
World citizenship is, among other things, acknowledging that there's a fucking rest of the world outside your country and American actions have effects on the rest of the world and that you HAVE TO PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS in the way that adults do, you provincial piece of immature slack-jawed yokel shit. What are you, 12?
Get a fucking education from an actual college, not Google U, and learn a little about the world before you make your claims, Captain Anencephalic.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 8:48 AM
Also, if you can't tell the difference between communism, which is what was largely practiced by most of the countries that explicitly called themselves socialist up to about the 1990s, and socialism, which is to a large part practiced in some way by most European countries today and actually contains an emphasis on individual freedom as well as setting up a baseline for everybody, you're a cretin who didn't take the fucking time to educate yourself about either, probably because you're too fucking dumb to read at least Wikipedia, much less a political science website.
Conservatives act like they just came down from the trees.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 8:52 AM
Folks, we liberals have to get a little meaner. I hate to say it, but it's true. The far right is too stupid and too immature to respond to rationality.
We still have to use rationality, to maintain the higher ground, but someone's got to do some dirty work.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 8:55 AM
Katherine the Great - Nah, give 'em enough rope.... :) - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 23, 2009 9:01 AM
It is also worth mentioning that higher IQ is correlated with at least social liberalism. (It doesn't say anything about economic liberalism or conservatism, though):D
Geary, D. C. (2005). The origin of mind: Evolution of brain, cognition, and general intelligence. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association.
McCrae, R. R. (1996). Social consequences of experiential openness. Psychological Bulletin, 120, 323-337.
Jost, J. T. (2006). The end of the end of ideology. American Psychologist, 61, 651-670.
Butler, J. C. (2000). "Personality and emotional correlates of right-wing authoritarianism". Social Behavior and Personality 28: 1–14. doi:10.2224/sbp.2000.28.1.1.
Jang, K. L., Livesly, W. J., & Vemon, P. A. (September 1996). "Heritability of the big five personality dimensions and their facets: A twin study". Journal of Personality 64 (3): 577–592. doi:10.1111/j.1467-6494.1996.tb00522.x. http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-6494.1996.tb00522.x.
Scott F. Stoltenberg, Geoffrey R. Twitchell, Gregory L. Hanna, Edwin H. Cook, Hiram E. Fitzgerald, Robert A. Zucker, Karley Y. Little (March 2002). "Serotonin transporter promoter polymorphism, peripheral indexes of serotonin function, and personality measures in families with alcoholism". 2002 114 (2): 230–234. doi:10.1002/ajmg.10187. PMID 11857587. http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/89012827/abstract.
Colin G. DeYoung, Jordan B. Peterson and Daniel M. Higgins (2005). "Sources of openness/intellect: cognitive and neuropsychological correlates of the fifth factor of personality". Journal of Personality 73 (4): 825–858. doi:10.1111/j.1467-6494.2005.00330.x. PMID 15958136. http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1467-6494.2005.00330.x
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 9:01 AM
DJ - well, we're going to have to weigh 'em first and then figure out the tensile strength of the rope, then hand it to them to hang themselves with.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 9:15 AM
Katherine:
I will be starting up a new consultancy for training rational liberal thinkers in the art and science of being mean.
It will be a bit like the Monty Python sketch, except I use many more short, pithy angol-saxon epithets.
Posted by: democommie | November 23, 2009 9:31 AM
Short, pithy Anglo-Saxon epithets? No Latin euphemisms? Martial and Catullus had some of the best profanity.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 9:33 AM
Katharine wrote:
Oi. Please stop repeating this myth. Very few of the founding fathers were actually deists (Thomas Paine and Ethan Allen the most prominent). Many of the leading lights were certainly influenced by deism but all of them believed in a personal, provident, interventionist deity (which makes them theists rather than deists). Most of them believed in Christianity in one form or another, some nominal and some quite serious (but this does not, in any way, support the ridiculous notion that the constitution or the country was "based on the Bible" or on "Judeo-Christian principles" or whatever other absurd catchphrase is being used by the religious right these days).
The leading lights -- the first four presidents plus Ben Franklin -- were, as Jon Rowe and I have spent the last several years documenting, were more properly called theistic rationalists, a universalist form of religion influenced by Christianity, deism and enlightenment rationalism. The reality of their religious views is far more nuanced and complex than either the Christian Nation or "they were all deists" crowd wants to admit.
Posted by: Ed Brayton | November 23, 2009 9:38 AM
Update:
Not only have they deleted the post, but after some people have commented about the billboard on other posts (and the fact that they deleted it), the Lafayette County Republican blog has deleted ALL comments and disabled all comment sections.
Something tells me they're pretty embarrassed, to say the least.
Posted by: Jim | November 23, 2009 9:39 AM
They'll weigh themselves, build the gallows, tie the knot, and wear the noose, and stand on the trapdoor, willingly. Just tell 'em they Darwin said they would.
Sometimes the stoopid just burns. :) - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 23, 2009 9:39 AM
oops try: "just tell 'em that Darwin predicted they wouldn't". - DJ
Posted by: DIngoJack | November 23, 2009 9:42 AM
Yep. It appears that they are trying to erase all evidence of their actions from their blog. Is it saved on Google cache, or did someone get a screen shot?
Posted by: Wes | November 23, 2009 10:08 AM
I have the webpage saved, but I'm not sure if that's the same as a screenshot.
Posted by: Jim | November 23, 2009 11:03 AM
Madscientist- My real concern is not that the Republican party might split ,my concern is for the fact that calls for violence are extremely irresponsible when many of the more child like conservatives are convinced that religion and party loyalty equal patriotisim. The current tactics by the right are intended to create anti Democrat , anti -liberal sentiment to win elections but I think a wave of politically motivated violence is just as likely.
Posted by: Rex | November 23, 2009 12:15 PM
Leni@66: What type of ammunition does one use on zombie hordes, anyway? I doubt the standard 5.56mm NATO round has enough stopping power.
Posted by: Shay | November 23, 2009 2:12 PM
I sent them an e-mail asking, politely, why it is that their post about the revolution billboard was deleted and all comments disabled. I don't expect a reply.
It is our duty to make sure that they do not get away with this.
Posted by: Jim | November 23, 2009 3:40 PM
Has somebody posted a screenshot of their webpage online?
Can we search the Google cache?
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 3:46 PM
There is a screenshot on this site:
http://amerinz.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-treason-new-conservatism.html
Posted by: Jim | November 23, 2009 3:47 PM
Cache:
http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:CrjG5xoOMXkJ:lafayettecountyrepublicans.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-i-70-billboard-replaces-famed.html+http://lafayettecountyrepublicans.blogspot.com/2009/11/new-i-70-billboard-replaces-famed.html&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 3:48 PM
If you copy the URL and click on the third link, you get a whole forum full of some possibly-/b/tard gun morons who think their mediocre abilities at typing at just-above-utter-dumbass level somehow compensates for the fact that they can't think.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 3:58 PM
Posted by: James Hanley | November 23, 2009 4:07 PM
I can't manage a cricket bat but somewhere in the basement is a Louisville Slugger...
Apropos of Capt Patriot's tirade against the healthcare bill, I wonder if he is aware that the Department of Defense is looking at evidence linking a country's stability with health care. This arrived in my inbox this morning from the Armed Forces Press Service.
Excerpt: While no formal study has confirmed a causal connection, evidence culled from U.S. commanders as well as American allies and adversaries, suggests a correlation between health and stability. With the Defense Department's growing emphasis on stability operations, a better understanding of this relationship could help inform U.S. foreign policy.
"It is increasingly recognized that health is a critical bridge to peace and stability around the globe," said Navy Cdr. David Tarantino, M.D., in a presentation on Defense Department stability operations policy. "Health is perhaps the quintessential service among all essential services."
Damn them acid-slurping counter-culture military types.
Posted by: Shay | November 23, 2009 5:25 PM
Any of you ever heard of the infamous Cas Sunstein?
He is one of the most radical fascist communist population control dickheads in this nation. How the hell did president who calls himself an American ever appoint such a radical fascist nutjob like this to a position ofpower. I wouldn't even promote him to potato pealer. He is too dangerous for America. As a matter of fact most of Obama's czars have been radical fascist freaks so far. Why have none of them been removed by congress or investigated by the FBI or watched by the CIA. Clearly they are fascist America haters who deserve deportation and/ imprisonment for their treason of the constitution.
Posted by: Captain Patriot | November 23, 2009 6:31 PM
I know, right?! Cass is worse than Hitler!
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 23, 2009 6:48 PM
I don't find any population control stuff on Cass Sunstein.
Captain Moron loses again.
Posted by: Katharine | November 23, 2009 7:46 PM
C'mon, Katharine, it's all over the Rightwing blogs. When reading about them writing about him, just remember that when someone ponders an "if/then" scenario it's exactly the same as advocating the worst of the the "thens". "'If', say, I lose my job, 'then' Christmas is canceled" is exactly the same as me saying "I personally believe in the cancellation Christmas". It's just common sense.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 23, 2009 7:52 PM
Wait, what? Why do you think Captain Patriot isn't satire? I mean, "fascist communist", for a start.
Posted by: Cath the Canberra Cook | November 23, 2009 7:58 PM
Dogmeat,
The core argument I agree with it that we are overtaxed and most of it is being used to give to Corporate Welfare it seems. Now I agree that Bush was doing the same dam thing. I think I said that in my post and have been pretty consistent in saying this. I am on the record more than once applauding Ed for nailing both sides on many of the ways are rights are eroding as the Federal govt. gets more and more power.
With that said read my comment above about captain patriot and you will see why most do not take these people serious or see the truth in some of what they protest.
Posted by: King of Ireland | November 23, 2009 11:57 PM
Cricket bats, pens, butter knives... whatever is handy will do. After his last post, I'd settle for rubber bands.
Posted by: Leni | November 24, 2009 12:38 AM
Your performance in your undergrad program (neuroscience, correct?) is surely a sign of your intelligence.
Even if those papers established such a correlation, and I don't believe they do (I am skeptical of how "heritability" is calculated using twins, for example), then so what? IQ is a pretty useless measure. There are plenty of people with high IQ's who don't have anything to show for their alleged genius.
Posted by: Milesius | November 24, 2009 1:55 AM
Quoth Mr Analytical: "There are plenty of people with high IQ's who don't have anything to show for their alleged genius."
Is that pesky ol' Dunning–Kruger effect getting in the way of your projection? :) - DJ
Posted by: DingoJack | November 24, 2009 2:17 AM
"With that said read my comment above about captain patriot and you will see why most do not take these people serious or see the truth in some of what they protest."
I think that needs to be restated, it doesn't really make sense. Captain Patriot is a lying fuckweasel. Like a broken clock, he will be right for several seconds to several minutes a day (depending on whether he has a "sweep" second hand). In his case, it is a feature, not a bug.
Posted by: democommie | November 24, 2009 7:19 AM
As it happens, Milesius, I'm pulling a pretty solid GPA.
Now, onto this other nonsense: Your skepticism of heritability in twin studies. Please explain it. I am anxious to know precisely why you are so skeptical.
Posted by: Katharine | November 24, 2009 1:10 PM
And indeed, there are plenty with high IQs who have nothing to show for their genius (Marilyn Vos Savant being one; she made the Guinness Book of World Records, but she has no college degree and has been reduced to writing crappy columns in a newspaper magazine. She's bright, but no role model), but if you look at a table of average IQs in a profession, you'll see that, for example, the average IQ of a physicist is at least two standard deviations above average. (I don't seem to recall seeing any scientists with Down's syndrome.)
It's not exactly a meaningless number.
Posted by: Katharine | November 24, 2009 1:20 PM
Katharine:
I agree with you on the IQ thing. I have a relatively high IQ but I know that it's no replacement for hard work and I have a life that proves it. The difference between outliers like me and outliars like Miludicrous is that I don't say other people with high IQ's are stupid, while saying that my high IQ makes me smart.
Posted by: democommie | November 24, 2009 5:48 PM
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Obama's folks, and Bush's Folk's, and Clinton's Folk's are the same Folks...WAKE ON UP.
Building 7..Inform the mind , inform Yourself.
see "Fall of The Republic"...Wake Up.
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see the Aaron Russo interview
Building 7...rocking your world, and you still dont know what it is, or the facts of it. Why? Why is that?
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Building 7..Inform the Mind , Inform Yourself
Building 7...Inform Yourself
wake on up...its the world, the real world,,...and you ARE in it.
dont believe what you are told...research it yourself.
He will do what He's told, just like Bush, Just Like Clinton. Greenspan Himself pointed out that his Friends run the Fed Reserve, and that it is not a government agency, or a part of any government, and that "therefore" no government can tell it what it can or cant do. Rather, the boys with money have the country, [most nations], in their pocket. They control the government. The "election process" is a show to keep the sheeple busy chasing smoke and mirrors. ___Have you ever been dreaming, and you thought you were awake? Well....you are in that same predicament. They have lied to us. And they continue with lie upon lie, upon lie...with a goal in mind._________________see "FALL OF THE REPUBLIC"_____Building 7......It will All Make Sense, when You Seek The Truth._____See the April Gallop, Aaron Russo, Albert Stubblebine, Norman Dodd Interviews....watch "The Obama Deception"______Building 7.____Know the Truth. _Obama's folks, and Bush's Folk's, and Clinton's Folk's are the same folks.
Link: http://wc
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Building 7...rocking your world, and you still dont know what it is, or the facts of it. Why? Why is that?
Obama's folks, and Bush's Folk's, and Clinton's Folk's are the same Folks [OWNERS/CONTROLLERS]...WAKE ON UP.
Building 7..Inform the mind , inform Yourself.
see "Fall of The Republic"...Wake Up.
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Posted by: FREE DOM | November 26, 2009 12:51 PM
"INFORM THAT MELON."
Honeydew or casaba?
Posted by: Rick R | November 26, 2009 1:15 PM
FREE DUMB:
FTW? Allcaps is not a way to convince readers on this blog that you have something of value to offer them. Just sayin.
Posted by: democommie | November 26, 2009 11:05 PM
The blog post has been removed.
Posted by: OgreMkV | November 26, 2009 11:16 PM
hey, you know, "none are as blind, as those who will [choose] not to see".
Forgive the caps.
Oh, and that link in the previous post is a mistake, not intended to be in there.
Other than that, I really encourage everyone to do some research.
We are so fortunate to have this tool, the internet & the world wide web,to use, to look at things.
the information is right in front of you, or can be in a fraction of a second.
So, you know, don't be lazy.
I recall that scene in the movie "Heat", where Jon Voight's character, makes the comment when De Niro
asks him where he gets the info, the factual documents, ..and Voight says something like .."Its out there, streaming thru the air, all You have to do is reach out and grab it"..words to that effect.
I think you all get the point.
Inform Your Mind.
Start with the aaron Russo interview,
Watch the Fall of The Republic"
and begin your research on the endless information available on 7.
Join us...We are Truth Seekers.....
Realize, We are here, on this planet, in this realm for a very, very, very, short time. Our lives run past, fast. I choose to Stand and Live, for Freedom, liberty and Truth.
and to Stand Against the forces of evil, that are so intent on tyranny.
Now.....begin.
Wake up.
Posted by: FREE DOM | November 27, 2009 1:05 AM
____________COME ON, TELL A STRANGER TODAY____________
________________POINT TO BUILDING 7____________________
________________WAKE UP A STRANGER____________________
WE WERE GOV-JACKED, YEARS AGO.
THEY ARE IN THE CAMP OF THE EVIL ONE,
WHOSE MINION ARE AT WORK,
AT DECEPTION, IN VARIOUS LEVELS OF SOCIETY.
THE WASHINGTON OFFICES ARE FULL OF THEM…..
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_______________TELL A STRANGER TODAY________________
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_________________THEY ARE CRIMINALS____________________
____________________INCARCERATE_______________________
_______________AND INSTILL THE JUSTICE__________________
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Posted by: FREE DOM | November 28, 2009 10:54 PM
Yes, caps, !!!!!!, I am yelling, screaming.
WAKE UP____see Fall of the Republic.
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see The Aaron Russo Interview
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Listen to financial honesty
from Jim Rogers, Peter Schiff
on youtube, many many clips, Listen.
__________________
BERNAKE, GEITHNER ARE CREEPS
WORSE THAN THAT THEY ARE LYING, OVERWHELMINGLY.
SATAN IS OUT TO DECEIVE AND DESTROY.
THESE TWO [AND MORE ] ARE WORKING FOR HIM.
__________________WAKE UP!_________________
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Posted by: FREE DOM | November 28, 2009 10:59 PM
____It's time to play the music____
____It's time to light the lights____
____It's time to meet the Muppets on the Muppet Show tonight.____
____It's time to put on makeup____
____It's time to dress up right____
____It's time to raise the curtain on the Muppet Show tonight.____
____Why do we always come here? ____
____I guess we'll never know____
____It's like a kind of torture____
____To have to watch the show____
____And now let's get things started____
____Why don't you get things started____
____It's time to get things started ____
____On the most sensational inspirational celebrational Muppetational____
____This is what we call the Muppet Show____
{Blatt!}
Posted by: MO DOM | November 28, 2009 11:07 PM
DON’T BE LAZY, DON’T BE AFRAID………
INFORM A STRANGER
BUILDING 7
FALL OF THE REPUBLIC
AARON RUSSO
THEN……..
INFORM ANOTHER,……..
THEN ANOTHER…………
THE WAR IS NOW, RIGHT NOW.
Posted by: FREE DOM | November 28, 2009 11:16 PM
Truth or the Consequences.
Posted by: FREE DOM | November 28, 2009 11:18 PM
FREE DOM: Yes, we're aware that nefarious forces are afoot, looting the treasury and throwing our sons away to make themselves wealthier and more powerful.
Going off on some loony trip about 9/11 won't help. It's distracting you from the actual crimes, both at the time and afterwards. Yes, 9/11 happened. Yes, "they" took advantage of it but, no, "they" didn't do it. We know this is true because it was a successful operation. On budget, on time and it resulted in not just one war, but two.
Posted by: Modusoperandi | November 28, 2009 11:41 PM
#25: Not many Acadians died?
By the end of the first year of Le Grand Derangement, close to half of the Acadians were dead, about the same number of people who died in the Trail of Tears.
My own direct ancestor, Sebastien Poirier, was a 12-year-old orphan of the deportation who only survived one of the most vicious and brutal events of Le Grand Derangement (the massacre at St-Anne's) because he ran into the deep winter snow and was later found by Maliseet Indians who hid him for the next eight years. At St-Anne's, men were tied to trees and forced to watch their women and children butchered in the snow. The rangers responsible then scalped the women and children and tried to turn the scalps in to the authorities for bounty.
"Not many Acadians died"?
I don't mean to be rude, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Posted by: Werebat | November 29, 2009 12:39 AM
Modusoperandi_____YOU ARE NOT INFORMED_______
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YOU Have not looked at the abundant facts available.....
Or, You CHOOSE to Dismiss them, [i.e. idiot] ....
Or You are not even real.[I.E. AT WORK.]
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Deception / Destruction
Create a problem [demo/attack sept 2009] to implement "SOLUTION" [TYRANNY ACT, also known as "patritot act", and "homeland security, who are resembling the nazi/ss teams more and more]
IN CONJUNCTION THEY ARE NOW DESTROYING THE U.S. FROM WITHIN, VIA THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM. THE "FINANCIAL COLLAPSE" OF THE LAST TWO YEARS, WAS ORCHESTRATED, AND THE SAME BUNCH THAT SET IT UP, ARE NOW PUT IN CHARGE TO "FIX"THE SITUATION, AND EVERY MOVE THEY ARE MKING, OR NOT MAKING, IS FINALLIZING THE DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTRY. THE OBVIOUS FACTS OF THIS WILL BE SEEN, IN SHORT ORDER, AND THE MANY WHO ARE OBLIVIOUS, SUCH AS MAYBE YOURSELF, WILL THINK THE GOVERNMENT WILL BE TRYING TO "FIX" THINGS, WHEN THEY SAY THEY ARE GOING TO GET THINGS BACK TO "NORMAL". THIS, AS THE TOOL SAYS IT REQUIRES FOREIGN TROOPS, CAUSE OURS ARE ALL OVER THE GLOBE FIGHTING "THE WAR". ITS A SCAM...ITS A ACTUAL REAL CONSPIRACY....THEY WORK FOR SATAN, MOST INVOLVED DON'T GET THAT, AND WOULD DENY OR DISREGARD THAT STATEMENT. THAT DOESN'T CHANGE THE FACT, THEY WORK FOR SATAN.
SEE THE AARON RUSSO INTERVIEWS.
GET A CLUE.
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WHY HAVE MOST AMERICANS NOT EVEN HEARD OF BUILDING 7?
WHY WAS BUILDING 7, NOT EVEN MENTIONED,
NOT EVEN MENTIONED ........IN THE
"OFFICIAL" REPORT?
WHY DID THE NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC SPECIALS,
SEEM TO "FORGET" ABOUT 7?
HOW COULD THREE BUILDINGS "FALL" AT NEAR FREEFALL SPEED [WITHIN A FEW SECONDS] , AS IF THE FLOORS BENEATH THE FALLING DEBRIS/FLOORS, WEREN'T EVEN THERE?
[I.E. NO RESISTANCE.]
HOW COULD THE FIREMEN COUNTDOWN TO THE EXACT TIMIG OF THE "FALL" OF 7?
THE QUESTIONS ARE JUST A VERY FEW , THERE ARE HUNDREDS......
AND IF YOU "BELIEVE " THAT 911 WASN'T A FRAUD. THEN YOU ARE NOT INFORMED OF THE FACTS AVAILABLE.
MOST PEOPLE ARE BRAINWASHED, NUMBSKULLED, TOO LAZY, AND APATHETIC TO LOOK AT THE FACTS. TO USE THAT TOOL RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM. TO SIMPLY POINT AND CLICK, GET THEIR HEADS OUT OF THEIR SMELLY PLACE AND ....WAKE UP.
THESE "WARS" J O K E, ARE NOT WARS.
REAL WAR IS SOMETHING ALOT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAVE DONE THE LAST 20 YEARS.A FEW BATTLES MAY HAVE BEEN INTENSE, AND CONSIDERED "WARLIKE", BUT THESE ARE NOT WARS. AND THEY FALL UDER THIS FALSE "WAR ON TERRORISM", WHICH IS A FRAUD, BASED ON THE FRAUD OF SEPTEMBER 2009.
Posted by: FREE DOM | November 29, 2009 2:17 PM
Might dust that ole Bible off and read the part on the mark of the beast [the nwo system is the beast]
The spirit of anti Christ [anti Truth] has been in the world since the beginning
Satan is the prince of this reality you are in. Its a artificial reality, and he is the prince, ans he is out to DECEIVE AND DESTROY....and keep the creatures, the creations of God, from becoming Children of The Living God.From being born spiritually, [by placing their TOTAL/COMPLETE faith in the accomplishments and Truth of Jesus of Nazareth, who LIVES.]
The world system being set up, was seen by John the Revelator, as he was taken to the future, to glimpse the last days of this world/time. The REAL WORLD, IS THE SPIRIT WORLD.
YOU CAN DISMISS THESE TRUTHS, or debate them .
IT DOES NOT CHANGE THEM.
Posted by: FREE DOM | November 29, 2009 2:27 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75WOhIqwg2Y&feature=related
help for the numbed in skull.[that includes all of us, they are chemtrailing you.]
Posted by: FREE DOM | November 29, 2009 2:33 PM
____________see...................__________
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____________"FALL of the REPUBLIC"___________
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____________TELL A STRANGER, TODAY.___________
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 2, 2009 1:34 PM
Wow, the loonies are out in "farce" these days. So when is FREE DUMB gonna get honorable mention in "High Wierdness by Mail?"
Sheesh, if I want a solid opaque mass of concentrated insanity, I can just go to a health-food store and read a "God Soap" label -- much more entertaining, not to mention more uplifting...
Posted by: Raging Bee | December 2, 2009 1:44 PM
Lame response..........silly.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 2, 2009 2:47 PM
_________________LIBERTY__________________
_____________ROCKS YOUR WORLD_____________
___________ITS CALLED THE TRUTH____________
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http://www.youtube.com/user/SACRAMANIACSmc
____________TELL A STRANGER, TODAY___________
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 5, 2009 11:14 AM
FREE DOM @ 121 & 122 - DOM who? Whose depriving him or her of their freedom and why?
Posted by: Michael Heath | December 5, 2009 11:21 AM
Michael Heath, are you asking me, a question?
I mean if you are, if you cannot see whats going on, right in front of you, I would reference my previous comment.....
..."Have you ever been dreaming, and you thought you were awake? Well....you are in that same predicament. They have lied to us. And they continue with lie upon lie, upon lie...with a goal in mind._________________see "FALL OF THE REPUBLIC"_____Building 7......It will All Make Sense, when You Seek The Truth._____See the April Gallop, Aaron Russo, Albert Stubblebine, Norman Dodd Interviews....watch "The Obama Deception"______Building 7.____Know the Truth. _Obama's folks, and Bush's Folk's, and Clinton's Folk's are the same folks."
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research the facts....USE THE INTERNET TO LEARN.
AARON RUSSO INTERVIEW...THATS YOUR LAUNCH PAD
GO TO AN EXTENSIVE INVESTIGATION OF BUILDING 7, THEN ASK YOURSELF, "WHY HAVE YOU NOT HEARD OF IT, WHY IS THAT MOST ANYONE YOU ASK NOT KNOW ABOUT BUILDING 7...?"
YOU do the looking, you will see the findings.
BE SINCERE, SEEK THE TRUTH.
LIFE HERE IS FLEETING [AND THATS A UNDERSTATED FACT]
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 5, 2009 4:33 PM
BY THE WAY.....
SOME PEOPLE LOVE THE LIE.
SOME PEOPLE LOVE DECEPTION.
SOME PEOPLE ARE ALIGNED WITH MANIPULATION, GIVING IT AND RECEIVING IT.
SOME LOVE THE SLEEP.
DECISIONS, DECISIONS.
I FOR ONE [OF MANY, YET RELATIVE FEW] CHOOSE THE TRUTH.
I SAY WAKE ON UP.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 5, 2009 4:40 PM
Can you at least link to a picture of DOM so I can free him if I come across him?
Posted by: Michael Heath | December 5, 2009 4:53 PM
Michael: Here you go
Posted by: Modusoperandi | December 5, 2009 4:55 PM
Damn Modus, you win the week!
Posted by: Michael Heath | December 5, 2009 5:09 PM
This is all well and good, but does FREE DOM wear a propeller beanie?
I'm not taking it seriously until I see its propeller beanie.
Posted by: Rick R | December 5, 2009 5:51 PM
Free Dom, here is a great blog you should visit sometime.
I think you'll find the post I linked to especially interesting.
Posted by: Leni | December 5, 2009 5:55 PM
"None are as blind, as he who will not see"
will...as in chooses, refuses, decides.
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FROGS IN THE KETTLE
The frogs in the kettle. Most like the water.
They even like it warm. A little warmers ok. Warmer still, but not toooo bad. Oh, yes , its warmer. Hm, a little warm now. Ok, thats good. Thats good. Hold off on turning....Wait a second that. Thats good. No more, were good. Its fi...Its getting a littlee....Ok no more , seriously no more. Now I mean it. Don't...Hey Do not...Wait Stop...You Ca..........STOPPPPPP!!!Its to @#$5 Hot!!! Turn it ...Who do you think You are? Why are...Hey ....Dan it...Damn You are not...You cant do tha...!!!!!!!!
final thought of the frog who refused to see...
"We need somebody to help us frogs . we are boiling alive ...
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HEY, WHATEVER YOU DO, DO NOT LOOK AT THE INFORMATION.
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m. HEATH/MODUS/RICKY R...TYPICAL WHEN YOU HAVE NO SOLID FOUNDATION, CANT DISCUSS FACTS OR TRUTH, MUST RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACK
[BY THE WAY I HAVE MORE HAIR , AND MY CAPE IS BLUE]
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LENI, i GLANCED OVER THAT BLOG....
THEY SEEM TO BE PRESENTING THE SUFFERING/FAMILY ASPECT....
[AND THERE WAS/IS PLENTY]
AND THEN ATTEMPT TO CONTINUE TO PRESENT THE "OFFICIAL" STORY.[WHICH IS A LIE.]
THE FRAUD OF 911, IS VERIFIED....
ASK YOURSELF ONE QUESTION [THOUGH THERE ARE HUNDREDS, POSSIBLY THOUSANDS]
HOW COULD THEY COUNTDOWN BUILDING 7'S "COLLAPSE" [ACTUALLY IT DISSOLVED]...BUT ASK YOURSELF , HOW?????????
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 5, 2009 6:41 PM
Norman Dodd Interview
ITS JUST THE FACTS...BUT THEN
FROGS CAN BOIL WITHOUT THEM...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cC21jB9EE
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 5, 2009 6:46 PM
THIS COUNTRY
OUR CONSTITUTION DOES NOT GRANT US RIGHTS
OUR RIGHTS COME FROM GOD.
AND THE CONSTITUTION AFFIRMS THIS.
THE SNAKES REALIZE THE STRENGTH OF THIS FOUNDATION.
THEY REALIZED, YEARS AGO, [WITH SATANIC ASSISTANCE]
THAT IF THE “IDEA” OR “BELIEF” OF A GOD WASN’T ADHERE TO
THEN THEY COULD CONVINCE THE PEOPLE
VIA BS SUBLIMINAL BRAIN-CONTROL, MEDIA PROPAGANDA, MOVIES, MUSIC, ETC…
THAT GOD WAS A MAN MADE INVENTION, AND DIDN’T EXIST
IF THEY COULD [AND HAVE] GET A GENERATION TOO
FULLY EMBRACE THE IDEA OF “THERE IS NO GOD”
THEN THE VERY FOUNDATION OF THE COUNTRY COULD BE DESTROYED….
WHICH , OBVIOUSLY, LEADS US TO …………………………….
…………………………………………………………………………….TODAY.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 6, 2009 11:28 AM
You do realize that you're on a blog with (what I can only assume is) a high percentage of atheists, right?
Posted by: Modusoperandi | December 8, 2009 5:16 PM
ATHEISTS????__I THOUGHT YA'LL WERE NUDISTS.....dang it.
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Everyone can decide, and does, for themselves.
The Truth or the consequences.
Well its never tooooooo late,
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Till its Too Late.
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Decisions, Decisions.
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What do you all think your great, great, grand pappies had scales and a fishface???
Do you think everything is functioning perfectly for the existence of Life on this planet out of a roll of the dice?
I think "aethesism" while is a debate in and of itself, but I think alot of it
is an excuse [lame] to do whatever ya want, and ignore any guilt. But we are all guilty, ignore it if you can, but it remains, we are guilty, of unbelief in Him, and the sins that result from that original sin. What many folks fail to grasp, even the majority of "christians" [real or fake] fail to realize....
....True Freedom is in Jesus Christ. HE IS LIBERTY.
____________TRULY BORN FREE_____________
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____HE STATES IT CLEAR ..."MY RULE IS"; LOVE.__
_______T R U E ____F R E E D O M______
THE ONLY TRUE FREEDOM
IS IN JESUS
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THE SINS OF THE WHOLE WORLD WERE NAILED TO THE CROSS
BUT THE SIN , ATTRIBUTABLETO EACH OF US, THE ONE SIN THAT SENDS THE CREATION, TO HELL [SEPARATION FROM GOD/LOVE],
IS THE SIN OF NOT BELIEVING JESUS,[ NOT TRUSTING FULLY IN HIM, NOT PLACING FAITH IN HIM.]
"THE SIN OF THE WORLD IS UNBELIEF IN ME"
WE ARE ALL BORN INTO IT, UNBELIEF, AND BECAUSE OF THAT , THAT SIN OF UNBELIEF, WE ARE HEADED TO ETERNAL SEPARATION FROM LOVE. BUT WE CAN CHOOSE TO BELIEVE HIM, TO RETURN THE LOVE TO HIM, THAT HE HAS SHOWN THAT HE HAS FOR US.
WE CAN SEEK AND FIND, AND TURN FROM UNBELIEF, TO BELIEF.
OR WE CAN CONTINUE IN OUR SIN, OF UNBELIEF.
I LIKE THE PLAN.
ITS MARVELOUS.
HE COULD HAVE MADE A BUNCH OF YESMEN.[ROBOTS]
INSTEAD, HE CREATED A BEING, AND OFFERS THAT BEING, EACH
ONE, A CHOICE.....TO EXIST FOREVER WITH HIM, LOVE.
OR WE CAN CHOOSE TO EXIST IN A PLACE,
WHERE THERE IS NO LOVE.___NONE__
AND, WELL, YOU CAN IMAGINE WHAT THAT WILL BE LIKE.
AND IF YOUR RESPONSE IS,
YOU DON'T BELIEVE THESE THINGS.....
...........WELL, THAT IS WHAT THE REAL ISSUE IS.
UNBELIEF.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 9, 2009 7:47 PM
All Good Love Songs, are truly
gospel Songs, for God is Love.
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Not an attribute , rather.................
GOD IS LOVE.
GOD IS SPIRIT.
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Pride comes, then ..............the fall.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 9, 2009 7:53 PM
FREE DOM "...[atheism] is an excuse [lame] to do whatever ya want, and ignore any guilt."
You, sir, are an ingrate. If you're going to talk about something about which you know nothing, stick to subjects of which your audience is at least as ignorant as you are. This will greatly reduce the chance of you being called on it.
"But we are all guilty, ignore it if you can, but it remains, we are guilty, of unbelief in Him and the sins that result from that original sin."
Original what now? In other words, {citation needed}
"What many folks fail to grasp, even the majority of "christians" [real or fake] fail to realize....
....True Freedom is in Jesus Christ. HE IS LIBERTY."
Liberty is not the freedom to do what God wants. Pick up a dictionary.
"HE COULD HAVE MADE A BUNCH OF YESMEN.[ROBOTS]"
Um, I hate to point this out, but that's exactly what Genesis implies He was trying to make (then story has the old coot blowing a gasket when his kids, get this, acted like children. Omniscient my pale white ass!).
The Coles' Notes version of the Tanakh just says "Obey".
Posted by: Modusoperandi | December 9, 2009 8:34 PM
OPPS...WRONGO....I AM VERY GRATEFUL...MATTER OF FACT I KNOW, I REALIZE, I DESERVE THE PIT....HOWEVER I HAVE [THANKFULLY BEEN SAVED.]
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AS for "Citation Needed".......THAT PARTICULAR SENTENCE WOULD BE....ME.
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LIBERTY IS FREEDOM TO LIVE FREE, MAKE YOUR OWN CHOICES, DO WHAT YOU WANT........
[IT DOES TRULY HAPPENS THAT WITH JESUS, TRULY SAVED, BORN SPIRITUAL CHILDREN OF GOD, [WHO, BY THE WAY, IS LOVE,] DESIRE TO DO WHAT GOD WANTS US TO DO...WHICH , OF COURSE, IS TO .......LOVE]
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ACTUALLY, THE CREATOR KNOWS THE WHOLE STORY, THE BEGINNING AND THE END...FOR HE CREATED IT, THIS "WORLD" AND HE CAN , AND IS WHERE EVER, WHENEVER HE CHOOSES, CAUSE, LIKE I MENTIONED...HE IS SPIRIT.
SO WHEN THE ORIGINAL SIN OCCURED, DOUBT [UNBELIEF] HE TOOK NECESSARY ACTION, CAUSE SEE, WHILE HE WANTS INDIVIDUALS, LIKE IT OR NOT, HE IS IN CHARGE...AND RESPECT, WELL, THAT GOES WITH HIS POSITION.SEE PRIDE KEEPS THE CREATION FROM REALIZING, HE IS IN CONTROL OF REALLY...NOT MUCH OF A DAMN THING...EXCEPT HE CAN BELIEVE IN WHAT HE WANTS TO. AND HE CAN ALSO BE PRIDEFUL AND DENY THE OBVIOUS, THAT HE IS RELATIVELY COMPLETELY POWERLESS IN THE TRUE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS. JESUS IS THE WAY, THE ONLY WAY, OTHERWISE SEPARATION FROM ALL LOVE IS COMING, FOR THOSE WHO STAND PRIDEFULLY SAYING , I WILL NOT.
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LOVE IS LIKE THE SUN ON WAX AND CLAY......IT WILL HARDEN THE CLAY, AND MELT THE WAX. THE WAX CAN BE SHAPED AND FORMED, WHEN MELTED, THE CLAY IS STUCK IN THE FORM IT PRESENTS ITSELF.....OUR HEARTS, OUR CORE BEING IS THE CHOICE TO PRESENT AND HOLD A HEART OF CLAY OR A HUMBLE_____THANKFUL____HEART OF WAX.
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I DO APPRECIATE...MANY THINGS, BUT NON MORE THAN THE SAVING GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST.
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Every knee WILL bow, and every tongue WILL confess
that Jesus Christ is King of Kings, and Lord of Lords.
Some will do so more than willingly, as they likely already do.
But many, the majority, will likely hit the ground with such unknown force, as their own tongues state the Truth of Jesus of Nazareth,and look consumed in the known fear that they are not in control of their body, or ANYTHING. This, likely right prior to being cast to the place of no Love...none.
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I SUPPOSE MANY WILL TRY TO FINAGLE AND TALK THERE WAY OUT OF THE SITUATION, BASICALLY CONTINUE ON WITH WHAT THEY DO AND WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN...LIES/LYING, DECEPTION AND DECEIVING.BUT OF COURSE, GOD LOOKS ON THE HEART, AND KNOWS.
NOW, YOU KNOW.
THATS JUST BASICALLY THE WAY IT IS.
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I POSTED ORIGINALLY TO POINT TO THE DECEPTION TAKING PLACE RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.
MANY SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.
YET MOST ARE UNDER THE SPELL, THE DECEPTION OF THIS WORLD.
I POINTED TO EVIDENCE, THAT IS READILY AVAILABLE, AT YOUR FINGERTIPS. TO ENCOURAGE WHOEVER, TO AWAKE TO WHATS REALLY GOING ON, NOW, WHETHER YOU ARE ATHEIST OR MUSLIM, OR WHATEVER.
IF I WANTED TO MAKE "FRIENDS" AND BE ACCEPTED, READILY...I'D ASK WHO YA GOT FOR THE GAME THIS WEEKEND....
OR IF I WANTED BE IGNORANT , AND PLAY THE GAME , I'D CHOOSE A SIDE , DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN, AND START POINTING MY FINGER AT THE OPPOSITE SIDE, BASHING THE PERSONALITIES THAT ARE PROPPED UP.......
.....BUT I SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS A SCAM, IN THIS WORLD, A WORLD OF DECEPTION.
I DO NOT FALL FOR THEIR DECEUVING , DIVERTING, MISLEADING , KAKA. I SEE IT FOR WHAT IT IS.
AND THERE ARE MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS,THINGS THEY WILL NOT BE TRUTHFUL ABOUT, THAT WILL AND ARE EFFECTING US ALL.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 9, 2009 10:32 PM
I want to apologize, if I offended you , anyone, It was and is not my intention. My comments may be misunderstood, but if you take time to look at the info I pointed to, it will certainly lead one to a different perspective, to say the least. I am grateful for allowing my posts to be presented, and for them to have remained as long as they have. That shows a very nice freedom, on this site. Again, Thank You, all, for showing remarkable kindness and restraint. I really get misunderstood, in what I try to put in words. I don't type, obviously, with no more than two fingers at a time. I get in a hurry , and skip looking over what I message. My grammar is far from accurate. But, generally, after rereading the posts, the info is there. If you delete these, I would understand. I hope all, you readers and the host, have a good weekend.
Posted by: FREE DOM | December 11, 2009 1:05 AM