Effect Measure

A lot of pundits seem dismayed and surprised at the moral depths to which Dishonest John McCain’s campaign has sunk in the last week. I have to disagree. There is nothing surprising about it. This is his MO: do whatever he thinks is necessary. McCain has a long history of lack of principle and probity, whether it is in his personal life (a vile and abusive temper, disloyalty to his first wife) or his public life (corrupt behavior in the Savings and Loan scandal, chicanery on behalf of gaming interests and much more). Where I do agree with his new found critics is the frightening nature of his behavior in a time when the economy is spiraling out of control and a major depression is looming. Historically these conditions have unleashed the worst in the American character, a visceral Nativism and the McCain – Palin campaign events are enabling the kind of racist, xenophobic and vicious responses that tend to accompany hysterical fear turned and turn it to unthinking anger. It isn’t just scaring me. It’s scaring a lot of people, including Republican moderates (the ones that are left).

Some examples:

Former McCain supporter Frank Schaeffer:

John McCain: If your campaign does not stop equating Sen. Barack Obama with terrorism, questioning his patriotism and portraying Mr. Obama as “not one of us,” I accuse you of deliberately feeding the most unhinged elements of our society the red meat of hate, and therefore of potentially instigating violence.

At a Sarah Palin rally, someone called out, “Kill him!” At one of your rallies, someone called out, “Terrorist!” Neither was answered or denounced by you or your running mate, as the crowd laughed and cheered. At your campaign event Wednesday in Bethlehem, Pa., the crowd was seething with hatred for the Democratic nominee – an attitude encouraged in speeches there by you, your running mate, your wife and the local Republican chairman.

Shame!

[snip]

John McCain, you are no fool, and you understand the depths of hatred that surround the issue of race in this country. You also know that, post-9/11, to call someone a friend of a terrorist is a very serious matter. You also know we are a bitterly divided country on many other issues. You know that, sadly, in America, violence is always just a moment away. You know that there are plenty of crazy people out there.

Stop! Think! Your rallies are beginning to look, sound, feel and smell like lynch mobs.

John McCain, you’re walking a perilous line. If you do not stand up for all that is good in America and declare that Senator Obama is a patriot, fit for office, and denounce your hate-filled supporters when they scream out “Terrorist” or “Kill him,” history will hold you responsible for all that follows.

John McCain and Sarah Palin, you are playing with fire, and you know it. You are unleashing the monster of American hatred and prejudice, to the peril of all of us. You are doing this in wartime. You are doing this as our economy collapses. You are doing this in a country with a history of assassinations. (Baltimore Sun)

David Frum at The National Review:

Those who press this Ayers line of attack are whipping Republicans and conservatives into a fury that is going to be very hard to calm after November. Is it really wise to send conservatives into opposition in a mood of disdain and fury for a man who may well be the next president of the United States, incidentally the first African-American president? Anger is a very bad political adviser. It can isolate us and push us to the extremes at exactly the moment when we ought to be rebuilding, rethinking, regrouping and recruiting. (National Review Online)

David Gergen:

“One of the most striking things we’ve seen in the last few day, we have seen it at the Palin rallies and we saw it at the McCain rally today,” said David Gergen, appearing on Anderson Cooper 360 Thursday evening. “And we saw it to a considerable degree during the rescue package legislation. There is a free-floating sort of whipping-around anger that could really lead to some violence. And I think we’re not far from that.”

“I really worry when we get people — when you get the kind of rhetoric that you’re getting at these rallies now,” said Gergen. “I think it’s really imperative the candidates try to calm people down.” (via Rachel Weiner at HuffPo)

Former Michigan Republican Gov. William Milliken:

“He is not the McCain I endorsed,” said Milliken, reached at his Traverse City home Thursday. “He keeps saying, ‘Who is Barack Obama?’ I would ask the question, ‘Who is John McCain?’ because his campaign has become rather disappointing to me.

“I’m disappointed in the tenor and the personal attacks on the part of the McCain campaign, when he ought to be talking about the issues.” (Grand Rapids Press)

Republican consultant Michelle Laxalt:

“They have send this young, naive — very confident, perhaps in Alaska — young woman out with the most incendiary talking points, the most dangerous racist talking points and I think they should be ashamed of themselves,” Laxalt told CNN’s Larry King Thursday night. (Raw Story)

Dan Balz, WaPo:

But what’s also clear is that McCain’s tactics are over the line, with no restraint in sight, and threaten to provoke reactions among partisans on both sides that will continue to escalate.

The RNC’s new ad attacks Obama for his questionable association with convicted developer Tony Rezko, for his ties to Ayers and, perhaps most inexplicably, for taking advice from William Daley, the brother of Chicago Mayor Richard M. Daley. Bill Daley is described as heir to the Chicago machine. The ad does not mention the mayor.

This is the same Bill Daley who served as commerce secretary in the Clinton administration and who seemed to have a harmonious relationship with the then-chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, one John McCain. (Washington Post)

McCain supporter and Republican Congressman Ray LaHood:

Rep. LaHood, who has represented Illinois’ 18th district for seven terms and is retiring in January, told WBBM Radio that Palin should control the racially-charged heckling at her rallies:

“Look it. This doesn’t befit the office that she’s running for. And frankly, people don’t like it.”

Some of the names Obama is being called, which include “terrorist” and “traitor,” “certainly don’t reflect the nature of the man,” LaHood said to WBBM. (Sam Stein, HuffPo)

And lots more. McCain and Palin are opening Pandora’s Box and I dread what might fly out. It’s too late to walk it back. He should have thought of this.

Comments

  1. #1 Nattering Nabob of Negativism
    October 11, 2008

    It’s embarrassing to be an American, isn’t it? Pride in our country? No, shame. Deep shame.

  2. #2 Katharine
    October 11, 2008

    How about an effort to crack down on one of the main problems affecting the country – one that is mostly Republican:

    Fundies.

    Start running them out of government, investigate their websites for suggestions of their ideas about attacking gay people, atheists, women, and nonwhites, take away their tax exemptions, and reduce their incoherent shrieks to a mere bit of noise.

  3. #4 Trin Tragula
    October 11, 2008

    How about an effort to crack down on one of the main problems affecting the country – one that is mostly Republican:
    Fundies.

    Why feed their persecution complex? I think we should just keep arresting their leaders for having gay sex in airport bathrooms.

  4. #5 Charles
    October 11, 2008

    Katharine, I think that’ll have to wait until about 24 hours after the first serious assassination attempt on President Barack Obama.

    After which point, it’ll be “open season”.

    The Republicans have moved heaven and earth to replace our Republic with an elected dictatorship. They have succeeded. They have sown the wind. I will not be numbered among their mourners when they reap the whirlwind.

  5. #6 James W. Feger
    October 11, 2008

    I’m beginning to think Obama is playing Hollywood on us. He has the materials for a good script. He just has to create a story board to start things off. And, does he ever have a cast of characters or what?

    Obama’s three wise men: Rev. Wrong, Father Phlegm, and Freak Farrakan, a party of nuts headed by Pelosi, Reid,& Franks, a production line of “acorns”, a composition of confidants headed by Professor Terrorist, and the myth Master Dr. Gaffe (Biden).

    This is going to make a terrific animated movie: Move over J.R. Tolkien, George Lucas, and J.K. Rolands the Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and Harry Potter are old school, Obama and associates are about to produce the “Messiah”.

    What has Obama done? I think he wants his character immortalized on a lunch box!

  6. #7 Lea
    October 11, 2008

    Lunch box you say James W. Feger? Yes, that sounds about right with the words ARROGANT plastered along the sides of that very lunch box.

    Miss you MRK if you’re peeking.

  7. #8 MoM
    October 11, 2008

    Lea, I hear you, but don’t feed the trolls
    MoM

  8. #9 Suebob
    October 11, 2008

    Obama knew exactly what was coming. Check this amazing video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH2iufUU1f4

  9. #10 tincture
    October 11, 2008

    You get some very strange trolls here, revere.

    Commentators may act surprised that it’s fallen this far but I recall a lot of people saying this would end up happening months ago.
    McCain was booed for telling them to chill out on calling Obama an arab etc, I would expect that Palin will shortly give them the signal that that was just for the cameras, if she hasn’t already.

    There is not much time left but I still wonder how much further they can push it and still maintain the veneer of political rallies.

  10. #11 James W. Feger
    October 11, 2008

    I hope they find oil in San Francsico Bay and drill right between the City’s bridges!

    The Liberals would probably trample over the homeless in a rush to get down to the Embarkadero to protest, Greenpeace would send a mountain climber up the side of the Pyramid to wave red flags, and Pelosi could hold a press conference and wave around a gavel in righteous apoplexy.

    But, the seals would just use it as another place to be able to get out of the water and sun themselves. The pessimist would scream oil spill but the low income people would sigh with relief as the cost of living would drop.

    What has Obama done? I don’t read the small print.

  11. #12 Science Avenger
    October 11, 2008

    James, people who blather on about “liberals” asking “what has Obama done?” is like creationists asking “where are the transitional fossils?” You really don’t want an answer, or you’d have found it already. It’s not hard.

    But just in case you’re different, Obama worked on legislation with Dick Luger to help control the proliferation of nuclear weapons, and got government spending information on the web where anyone can get a look at it, among other things (you know, what you guys thought was a great idea when Palin pretended it was hers). Though given recent GOP predilections, I could understand that you might consider these “small print”. Just don’t expect much company among thinking, investigative citizens.

  12. #13 yogi-one
    October 11, 2008

    Of course Obama saw it coming. I saw it coming. Anyone with half a brain who pays attention knew the GOP was going to play the hand of racism, fear, and hate during the campaign. It’s the only hand they have. They trashed the economy – guilty. They lied about Iraq – guilty. They have tortured innocent people – guilty, and they have abused their offices to pursue political and personal agendas – guilty.

    The GOP is going to have to re-invent itself. They tried once with the Southern strategy and it worked pretty well for awhile.

    The southern strategy is played out. America is not really a country of racist haters who pine for the days of feudalism and theocracy.

    Think about it: The GOP base is people like James. What does that tell you?

    It tells me they’re dying and they know it. The screaming is louder because the pain is more intense.

    Obama should take one good cue from Bush and Cheney – they always had too much security surrounding them wherever they went.

    Obama better do the same, because these people will kill in their fits of helpless rage. We’ve seen it before.

    Obama don’t be all accessible to the people. You’ll end up like Bhutto. You’ve been warned. You better get a tight lid of security on you and your family and keep it locked.

    Sure, no one wants to be locked down by a security detail 24/7.

    But you don’t have the choice. The moment you decided to run for President, you gave up that option.

  13. #14 James W. Feger
    October 12, 2008

    Drill, and drill, and drill!!! There are a lot of calm Republicans. The number one Republican is defending Obama in small town meetings. Obama supports the number one Republican on issues in debate on national TV.

    What has Obama done? Lets not judge him by the company he keeps!

  14. #15 anon
    October 12, 2008

    OK, this blog is rather political meanwhile, so how about
    a comment on the Berg Obama case ? No hits for Berg while
    searching this site.

  15. #16 James W. Feger
    October 12, 2008

    I don’t care from what political party justice is served. And, I don’t vote along party lines. I like to think I can think for myself. And I don’t think Obama and Biden are what we need. Neither Obama or Biden can compare anything they have expierenced in life to match McCain. And, neither Obama or Biden have taken on Republican or Democratic corruption at the level of which Palin has.

    The Obama camp has constantly hammered away at McCain as Bush’s third term man. Now the Liberals are screaming about the hatchet job they’re getting for the “Terrorist” affiliations of Obama. And, although Bush has a very low rating as President by the public it isn’t as bad as what the public rates the Democratic Congress.

    What has Obama done? I don’t listen to small talk!

  16. #17 tincture
    October 12, 2008

    James W. Feger, I assume you’re using the term “taken on” in the sense of; To acquire (an appearance, for example) as or as if one’s own: Over the years he has taken on the look of a banker.

    I’d be inclined to agree with you.

  17. #18 Jonathon Singleton
    October 12, 2008

    Revere, “McCain – Palin campaign events are enabling the kind of racist, xenophobic and vicious responses that tend to accompany hysterical fear turned and turn it to unthinking anger…”

    1ne: Like the classic example of a damaged child laughing whilst transferring human anger and frustration onto small defenceless animals: “When you promote a grotesque program like Governor Sarah Palinís Alaska wolf slaughter, you can expect gruesome results.

    A startling example: In June, after gunning down 14 adult wolves from a helicopter, officials from Governor Palinís Department of Fish and Game rounded up 14 orphaned wolf pups and methodically shot each one in the head in clear violation of a state law.[1]” — Rodger Schlickeisen, President Defenders of Wildlife Action Fund (October 10, 2008)

    2wo: And when butchering defenceless animals aren’t enough to “satiate” the visceral fear of an extremely damaged and uneducated American individual, s/he moves onto the “scary human other”, Russians…

    EffectMeasure — Once in a lifetime opportunity By Revere (September 26, 2008)

    http://scienceblogs.com/effectmeasure/2008/09/once_in_a_lifetime_opportunity_1.php#comments

    Reader posting excerpt by: Jonathon Singleton | September 27, 2008 5:41 AM

    Re: CBS Evening News with Katie Couric…
    To: “Katie Couric” [email address]

    Friday, September 26th, 2008 (Australia time)

    Howdy Katie, your interview with Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin on her foreign policy experience has become rather famous in Perth, Western Australia. Earlier today, on a high rating drivetime radio show, the “Putin rears his head” excerpt was given the “Aussie” treatment by the DJs — “God, America has gone crazy, this woman has the foreign policy credentials and diplomatic finesse of an uneducated moron and she COULD become vice president of the most powerful nation on the planet!?!”

    Couric: “[As governor of Alaska, have] you ever been involved in any negotiations, for example, with the Russians?”

    Palin: “We have trade missions back and forth, we do. It’s very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia. As Putin rears his head and comes into the air space of the United States of America, where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that
    an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right next to, they are right next to our state…”

  18. #19 Will
    October 12, 2008

    James, whilst you may not vote along party lines (good for you, by the way), consider this one question:

    Would you willingly elect a candidate whose entire campaign – which they have admitted – has now gone from talking about the issues to damaging the reputation of their fellow candidate?

    Regardless of how more experienced McCain is – in fact, *because* of this – he should be ashamed of this whirlwind of hate and racism his party have whipped up just to try and score a few points.

    When your own party is telling you to behave, surely you have gone too far.

    This is not the image of democracy America deserves to have broadcast throughout the world media.

  19. #20 Roger Sweeny
    October 12, 2008

    The post is absolutely right that Republicans make unfair attacks, and whip up ill-feeling, sometimes even hatred.

    Unfortunately, the same can be said for people who attack Republicans or their supporters.

    In comment two, Katherine calls on us to “crack down” on “fundies” and “start running them out of government.” And so many of the comments accuse Republicans of being racists or haters or stupid or ignorant.

    But, I imagine some of the commenters thinking, that’s all true. They are wretched, awful people who make me ashamed of the country. On the other hand, my people are good.

    Yeah. Right.

  20. #21 gilmore
    October 12, 2008

    .

    It appears Roger Sweeny follows the Bush – Cheney mantra that if you repeat a falsehood enough it becomes true. . .

    .

  21. #22 Lea
    October 12, 2008

    Heard you too MoM, I’m thinking it was a kind gesture but I really don’t know.

    I’m appreciative of James W. Feger’s comments and quite seriously don’t see him as a “troll”. The term and word troll are thrown around loosely anymore when someone doesn’t agree with you.

    As far as McCain and Palin go, in my mind they’re the lesser of two evils. The attacks from revere in the political arena have turned away from the objective and are now embracing the subjective. Something many of the revere’s fans are willing to support and something Professor’s are good at.
    And I do understand commenter’s allegiance however ask yourself how well do you really know revere/Revere? Hmmm?

  22. #23 this is bogus
    October 12, 2008

    This is BOGUS. You quote people who don’t like McCain. That doesn’t prove anything about McCain. Quote McCain. What did HE say that was “racist”. Bull. Shit.

  23. #24 Katkinkate
    October 12, 2008

    Hello from Australia. If I was actually voting in this election and wanted to vote for Obama, I’d either send in an absentee or postal vote or go to a polling booth in a very republican area. There is so much hate around this election I’d be avoiding voting in a Democrat-dominated area, ’cause that’s were the crazy republicans will go if any get the urge to ‘scew’ the election with bullets.

  24. #25 Lea
    October 12, 2008

    The greatest majority of the hate Katkinkate is being fed by the main stream media. They don’t report the news, they make the news.
    Most American’s don’t buy into all the hogwash via the television. We really are a good people, portrayed in a dark shadow right now by the fucking media.

    For me, revere/Revere has no excuses except his agenda which is “democratic libertarian socialist of the Chomsky stripe”. That and a last ditch effort at achieving something of political magnitude in his “geezer” years.
    Now, with that said, it’s not a dig, HONESTLY on revere/Revere. It’s basically calling a spade a spade.
    But then again you’ll think what you will, just watch the anger now will you?

  25. #26 John Sargeant
    October 12, 2008

    It seems that McCain has listened to the criticism judging by his admonishments at a Republican rally:

    http://homoeconomicusnet.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/mccain-takes-on-supporters/

    How sincere he is I leave to American voters to decide.

  26. #27 Cathie Currie
    October 12, 2008

    The U.S. stockmarket and every other U.S. economic measure performs much better when our president is a Democrat — the only two exceptions to this outcome in the last 20 presidential terms is (1) Eisenhower in his first term, but he was following Truman in the post-war rebuilding era and (2) Johnson in his last term, but he was a Texas Democrat.

    Therefore, if for no other reason, rational people would vote for a Democratic presidential candidate to make money in the stockmarket.

    But, strangely . . ?? . . Republicans voters refuse to believe the stock market and economic data!!! They only believe what their party tells them: the RNC says that Republican policies are “good for business”. Well, ok, that is true for ‘Big Big Business’ but ‘BBB’ only benefits the wealthiest 5% of the population. The Republican economic policies suck the stock market dry for all of the rest of us. But try telling that to a Republican — they shut their ears and eyes.

    So, if you are in the BBB 5%, go for it – vote Republican. But remainder of us, if we are knowledgeable and rational — should vote for a Democratic president so that we make money from our stock holdings.

  27. #28 revere
    October 12, 2008

    Lea: Unfortunately we are watching the anger and it is pretty ugly. That’s why normal Republicans are bailing on McCain – Palin. They are ashamed.

  28. #29 James W. Feger
    October 12, 2008

    Knowledge and Rational!

    A midwest farmer from Missouri, a man of the earth whose word was his worth, stated: If you hang around lice, your’re bound to get lousy!

    What has Obama accomplished? Obama is or has been, for years, affiliated with people who wanted to bomb the White House or stood on a pulpit and G _ _ D _ _ _ed America!

    McCain spent five years in hell as a prisoner of war in service of his country. What preceded his inferno incarceration was his personal conviction and courage to risk his life for what he believed in, and he believed in his country: McCain has identified himself; guilt by association of patriotism.

    What has Obama Done! Obama has shadowed himself in rhetoric and allowed his associated others to identify him for all the others: Now he is called the “Messiah”.

  29. #30 revere
    October 12, 2008

    James: Silliness. McCain got shot down. He stayed with his unit. That’s it. Since then he has been a corrupt, vicious politician. He has hung around with many more disreputable people than Obama. Here’s a short compilation, by no means complete:

    http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/10/05/mccains-terror-connection-g-gordon-liddy/
    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/5/14622/7147/555/620842

    And Sarah Palin?

    http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/12/13228/301/977/627523

    If you want to play that game, start the clock. We;re not even going to Charles Keating yet. Or is that a reputable connection in your eyes?

  30. #31 trog69
    October 12, 2008

    Oh please; Mr. Feger has no intention of learning anything about Barack Obama’s past accomplishments. It’s much easier for him to throw out meaningless crap and ignore the crass and craven past of his beloved POW McCain.

    Don’t waste your valuable time on him.

  31. #32 Cathie Currie
    October 12, 2008

    James,
    You are listening to some very rabbid talk that has nothing to do with Barack Obama and his supporters — spewed by by pundits who are being paid to upset people. These pundits are more interested in making a name and money for themselves than in the truth — so why would you believe them?

    You are a coach? Do you know what everyone of your players has ever done, of will do? Are you responsible for what they do? Are they responsible for what you do? I’m an ex-soccer coach. One of my players was convicted of homicide. Am I responsible for what she did? That is the same type of link you are accusing Barack of . . . .

    Barack knows thousands of people. Out of the thousands, a few have turned out to have some problems — and he no longer deals with them. Have you vetted each and every one of the people you know or have known– and all of your neighbors?

    If you are a good coach, you do not listen to what a scout or fans tell you — you look at the player and decide for yourself based on current behavior.

  32. #33 James W. Feger
    October 12, 2008

    Well, there you go! the simple truth of a dirt farmer has sown dicontent among the followers of the “Messiah”.

    What is it these discontents, the “Masters of Hindsight” like to rally behind? I think it is the conversations that always lead up to calling McCain the third term of Bush. Which means McCain is an extention of Bush? Is that not the gist of what the Liberals are trying to condition the public to response to as voters?

    But, then when we use Pavlov’s dog to illustrate the extention of Obama’s affiliation with Rev. Wright, Father, Phleger, Bill Ayers, Acorn, the envy of Louis Farrakan, and Jimmy Carter’s reincarnation for his second term in office “ala” Obama, are we not of the same methodolgy?

    But, Obama may be of another pychological measure. There is Konrad Lorenz work with “imprint”. And, it is obvious that Obama has been stimulated by his association with Wright, Phelger, Ayers, Illinois politics, Acorn etc. That kind of affiliation during the developing stages of a political mind set, could be critical to error on the side of default; “a value that a person assumes with no overiding value or action other than the effective use of language”

    And, then we might, in general terms weight the differences of influences each candidate has risked or been subjected to with life, and make a reasonable assesment how he would lead us as an extension of himself!

    And, you see! I like the “Maverick” and the “Pit Bull”. I like where they have been, what they have done, what they are doing, and I’m confident in their judgement for resolving America’s needs because of who they are and who they have associated with.

    What has Obama done? He isn’t independantly in realization of himself!

  33. #34 RickD
    October 12, 2008

    The post is absolutely right that Republicans make unfair attacks, and whip up ill-feeling, sometimes even hatred.

    OK….

    Unfortunately, the same can be said for people who attack Republicans or their supporters.

    Oh?

    In comment two, Katherine calls on us to “crack down” on “fundies”

    Well, that’s just on par with saying that somebody “pals around with terrorists”.

    and “start running them out of government.”

    Wait – isn’t that what elections are for?

    You really think it’s just as bad to use racism to win an election and to call the other party terrorist sympathizers as to try to win an election?

    What a curious argument that is.

    And so many of the comments accuse Republicans of being racists or haters or stupid or ignorant.

    Well, when they yell “terrorist” or “traitor” at the Democratic candidate, what is one to think?

    You really think it’s just as bad for the people on the first part to behave like thugs as it is for people on the second part to point out this fact to the world?

    I mean…really?

    You don’t really believe that, do you?

    But, I imagine some of the commenters thinking, that’s all true. They are wretched, awful people who make me ashamed of the country. On the other hand, my people are good.

    Do facts matter to you at all? Or are you just in favor of taking an argument of equivalence, and fitting it to whatever might happen to be going on at the time.

    So…if one group of people is mad at a second group of people, and the second group of people is mad at the first people, then both parties are necessarily equally bad? There cannot possibly be underlying facts that would indicate one of the parties is simply being thuggish and mean-spirited, while the second party is simply offended at the behavior of the first party?

    Yeah. Right.

    Posted by: Roger Sweeny | October 12, 2008 10:04 AM

    Indeed.

  34. #35 revere
    October 12, 2008

    James: That was absolute gibberish.

  35. #36 Tree
    October 12, 2008

    Yes, SB has been overrun by trolls with zero comprehension of the reality-based community. When did we start to care what anti-intellectual anti-science agistators might have to say? Other than as a source of humor, that is?

    As satisfying (and easy) as it’s been to shoot the stoopid fish in a barrel, perhaps it’s time to set aside the games and start thinking about how you’re going to serve when the call comes in January. How are you going to help the Obama administration clean up the mess?

  36. #37 James W. Feger
    October 13, 2008

    Well, just because a person doesn’t belong in the deep end of the pool without a life jacket, doesn’t mean he can’t walk in the rain.

    Since Obama will be confined to the matter of his role as that of the Senator from Illinois, I’m sure the Illinois political system will continue to control his administrative responsiblilities.

    “the position that a person assumes as Presidnet with no overiding action other than the effective use of language” would be an obama-nation in the White House.

    Obama has been a good student. And, I’m sure his mentors, his neighbors and confidants, such as Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers will happily accept one of their own back into the flock.

    What has Obama done? He isn’t independantly in control of his self esteem.

  37. #38 Arnosium Upinarum
    October 13, 2008

    It is amazing to witness this sudden outburst of GOP outrage now.

    Where the hell have these voices of honor and integrity been over the last umteen years as an army of jerks like Limbaugh, Hannity, O’Reilly and Coulter whipped up a rabid lather of shock-jock-like hostility, hate-mongering and intolerance all camouflaged as patriotism?

    Why, taking political advantage of the opportunity, conveniently raking in the votes from a carefully cultivated mob-mentality, that’s where.

    The eggs of duplicitous hypocrisy laid by neoconservatives and their religious fundamentalist cohorts have at long last begun to hatch their rotten contents, and the stench is unbearable.

    Incredibly, over a third of this country’s citizens apparently still cannot detect the smell.

    The neoconservative Republican party: theirs is a legacy unprecedented as the most shameful that has ever disgraced the annals of political discourse in these United States.

  38. #39 James W. Feger
    October 13, 2008

    If the liberals were to describe their political choices in terms of nutritional value! It would seem as though they would have to come up with something like a can of mixed nuts: There is the peanut (Reid), the hazel nut (Pelosi), the walnut (Biden), and the macadamia nut (Obama). And, letís not forget their intended to include nut, the
    ďcash-youĒ (tax) nut.

    Now, nuts do have nutritional value, but a whole meal they do not make. And, separating the nuts into three meals, peanuts and hazel nuts for breakfast, walnuts for lunch, and macadamia and ďcash-youĒ nuts for dinner also leaves a lot to be desired. And, although these mixed nuts are a combination of less than fifty per-cent peanuts and considered a deluxe nut package, no one should be crazy enough to believe that the value/rule of life under a diet of nuts is going to benefit anyone except the nut packers of DNC, the Deluxe Nut Committee.

    Nuts might be a good snack, but in terms of a political nutritional choice, Iím going with McCain and Palin. They just look like they know what a well-balanced self reliant, freedom spirited American should be served for their social and political health. And, when they speak, they speak to our spirit of independence, self-reliance, our social conscious, and our common sense.

    As far as Iím concerned, Iíve heard enough of what the deluxe nuts have done and what they intend to do, even if they include ďacornsĒ, Iím not in a state of denial, a subconsciously depressed citizen with latent tendencies of becoming a socialist, and I donít want to be spoken to down to like Iím. But, after this November, it wonít matter, the liberals will have to vacuum seal and shelve their deluxe, mixed-up nuts.

    Iím dieting and dinning with whatever the McCainís and Palins will be cooking up. And, Iím going to vote for them to serve us to a better economical and political health from out of the White Houseís kitchen.

    What has Obama done? He moved into a neighborhood that could be described as a nest of pest!

  39. #40 Adrienne
    October 13, 2008

    James Feger wrote:

    Nuts might be a good snack, but in terms of a political nutritional choice, Iím going with McCain and Palin.

    You might find yourself awfully hungry come early November.

  40. #41 Roger Sweeny
    October 13, 2008

    RickD,

    I think it is wrong to use hatred to win in politics, period. The last eight years have been filled with Bush hatred. It has often been rationalized by, “They’re the real haters. I know they’re actually racists, homophobes, etc. so there’s nothing wrong with me hating them. In fact, it shows how much I love justice.”

    I think that’s rationalization. Over the last 16 years I’ve seen too much, “I’m a RedSox fan and Yankees suck.” “Oh yeah? I’m a Yankees fan and RedSox suck.”

  41. #42 James W. Feger
    October 13, 2008

    I wish I would have thought of this, but I didn’t.

    “We live in the land of the free because of the brave”

    It is a slogan that honors our men and women in uniform. People in the military now, for the future, and historically; people like John McCain.

    I won’t go hungary after Nov. 4th, because Obama will be back in Illionis among the pest in his neighborhood nest!

  42. #43 revere
    October 13, 2008

    Except you don’t live in the land of the free, do you James? You live somewhere else, right? We all may go hungry, thanks to the Republican party. Thanks. At least you’ll go hungry somewhere warm and not on US soil. Isn’t that right James? You just want the rest of us to live under the yoke of four more Bush years. Thanks but no thanks.

    I’m glad you so admire John Kerry and George McGovern, Jimmy Carter and JFK. And George W.? Dick Cheney? Paul Wolfowitz? Dick Nixon? Ronald Reagan? Sarah Palin? Todd Palin? Mitt Romney? Rudi Giuliani? Mike Huckabee? Fred Thompson? etc., etc.

  43. #44 James W. Feger
    October 13, 2008

    “A value that a person assumes as President, with no overiding action other than an effective use of the language, would be an obama-nation in the White House”

    LOL…what are you a liberal guru of voo doo! I do live in the U.S. and have only been an American all my life. And, I am an idependent. I even think through my own thoughts. If you would like, I can probably coach you through the process from here.

    What has Obama done? He moved into a neighborhood that can only be described as a nest of pest!

  44. #45 revere
    October 13, 2008

    OK, James. So the person with your name and M.O. who is a rocbal coach in Saipan is someone else, right? “The Google” is a powerful tool, my friend.

  45. #46 James W. Feger
    October 13, 2008

    Saipan is one of the islands of the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Island, U.S.A. The CNMI is located about 120 miles north of Guam. Georaphically, we are located on the Pacific Rim and happen to be the western most boundary of the U.S.A.

    I was born in Vallejo California grew up in the Mission District of San Francisco. I own a house and pay taxes in Minnesota. Three of my brothers and myself are Viet Nam Veterans. I have a son in the Marine Corps who has spent two tour of duties in Iraq.

    I’m the founder of the sport Rocball. And Rocball is the first sport of its kind to implement offensive and defensive, multiple point scoring in a team net sport. Rocball is also, by municipal resolution, condiered Saipan’s own sport. You can read about Rocball on Volleyball forums etc. It is the number one post on Volleyball Forums here in the states and on Volleyball.com.au.

    Thanks for the interest. And, for your further information, John McCain will start working out of the White House as President after Bush leaves.

  46. #47 Cathie Currie
    October 14, 2008

    Wow! James, you can actually write a rational sentence when ‘McCain’ isn’t in it. Amazing.

    So you like the way eight years of Bush have devastated our stock market and pilfered our retirement funds? You want four more years of his economics? He took away our surplus and drove our country into debt — but you like that???!!

    You think McCain’s pals Gordon Liddy and Keating are good citizens? You think Palin’s John Birch pals in the Alaska Independence Party are not domestic terrorists? How about McCain preventing efforts to bring back the other MIAs — that is ok for you?

  47. #48 James W. Feger
    October 14, 2008

    Confront the stigma of Liberal Socialist,
    and adopt a Democrat.
    But, make sure its house broken before
    you start feeding it!

    If your logic allows you to believe
    McCain is an extension of Bush !

    Then in your own mind’s eye, Obama must
    be an extension of people like Pelosi, Reid,
    Wright, Phelger, Ayers, Farrakan and an Acorn!

    Has any of McCains associates every tried to bomb the White House or G _ _ D _ _ N America?

    The financial control of the Wall Street melt down was with a Democratic Congress, whose ratings are worst than Bushes. And, Pelosi’s man, Barney “Rubbles” Franks, is chairperson of the Banking and Finance Committee.

    What has Obama done? The way he keeps supporting McCain in debate, I think he will probably vote for McCain.

  48. #49 James W. Feger
    October 18, 2008

    It would seem that those Democrats defecating acorns to fertilize voter
    registration fraud, have politically corrected the value/definition of the
    word “problems”.

    P = Pelosi
    R = Reid
    O = Obama
    B = Biden
    L = Liberal
    E = Elitist
    M = Morons
    s = Socialist

    A value that a person assumes as President with no
    overiding factor other than the effective use of language, would be an
    obama-nation in the White House.

    What has Obama done? If he doesn’t have the will power to stop smoking cigarettes for good, he doesn’t have the strenght of mind to run a country I live in!

  49. #50 James W. Feger
    October 20, 2008

    LOL….Now I know who Obama reminds me of; Obama reminds me of Stan Laurel of the comic team Laurel and Hardy of the 1930s & 40s. That is why Obama is so well liked in Hollywood? He is a replica of a comic icon.

    What has Obama done? After he loses the Presidential election, he can do stand in for the revival of a classic joke and laugh act, Vaudeville, silent movies, and talkies all over again!

  50. #51 James W. Feger
    October 20, 2008

    Doesn’t Obama remind you of Stan Laurel, of Laurel and Hardy; classic comedian icon; protruding ears, triangular face, and a grin from ear to ear.

    Saturday Night Live “Special Feature” Barrack Obama and Barney Franks in the roles of Laurel and Hardy, in “The Wall Street Melt Down”, or “Who took the Acorns”.

    And, they say there isn’t enough material to play around with Obama and friends!

    What has Obama done! The Liberals have no sense of humor, but are splendedly rich in characters of stupor.

  51. #52 James W. Feger
    October 30, 2008

    It’s the Man not the Lamb
    It’s the Patriot not the Pansy
    It’s the Experience not the Rookie
    It’s Straight talk not Stutter and Balk
    It’s the faithful not the fallacious
    It’s the Self-sufficient not the Self-serving
    It’s the idealist not the idiot
    It’s the Humanitarian not the hustle
    It’s the Exceptional not the egotistical
    It’s the Dignity not the Obscene
    It’s the Confidence not the Confused
    It’s the Beneficence not the boldacious
    It’s the Attribute not the Audacity
    It’s the Medicament not the Mendacity
    It’s the Nourishment not the Neuter
    It’s the Progressive not the Prohibiter
    It’s the Servant not the Sell-Out
    It’s the Tactician not the Tactless
    It’s the Unambiguous not the Umbrage
    It’s the Veridical not the Vertiginous
    It’s the Warranty not the Warped
    IT’S THE HEROs NOT THE ZEROs !!!!!!!!
    It’s McCain and Palin