Dr. Norbert Gilmore takes an angle I like: Practicality.
We deal with it all the time with wooers– its easy for HIV Deniers or Creationists or anti-vaxers to say something stupid, but its infinitely more time consuming for scientists to respond to the falsehoods.
An easy short-cut for us is practicality.
I use it when dealing with Creationists, specifically. “Fine. Lets grant the premise that everything scientists say about evolution is a lie. Why does it work? Why do we get results when we use the concept of evolution as the foundation for our experiments? Why do we learn new information? Why do we solve problems? If evolution is a lie, its a lie that gives us results. If Creationism is true, its a truth that provides us with nothing except a warm fuzzy feeling that a cruel, inept deity exists.”
Dr. Gilmore uses it for HIV.
Today, the most convincing argument that HIV causes AIDS is that anti-HIV medications -often called antiretrovirals or ARVs – are prolonging the lives of millions of HIV-infected people. The number of HIVinfected people progressing to the life-threatening immunodeficiency that is full-blown AIDS living in Canada or anywhere else has plummeted wherever these medications are being widely used. Blood is now safe thanks to HIV screening tests. Just as impressive is that babies are born uninfected when their mothers are effectively treated. And many of the millions who are taking ARVs are no longer dying or ill but, instead, are returning to work, having babies, and planning a long life.
HIV-1 infection is not the horror it once was. But much like anti-vax woo, because it is not the horror it once was, they have the luxury of being Deniers.
I have a soft-spot for boxers. I have no idea why. So I was kinda hoping that the jackass that wrote the Denial article was taking Tommy Morrisons words/ideas too far. That maybe Morrison wasnt really a Denier, but maybe just in denial, or something…
Yeah… no… Morrison showed up in the comments. I actually reported them and asked the Montreal Gazette to verify (you cant just post on ERV as Dawkins or PZ and expect me not to verify). If someone is posting as Morrison, and these are not his views, Morrison deserves to have them taken down (or at least the name altered). If these are verified as coming from Morrison… christ…
Tommy The Duke Morrison
4:26 PM on February 9, 2011
As a “researcher and physician for 30 years”…perhaps you can fulfill 2 simple requests that I have:
1)Proof that HIV VIRUS exists by sending me the Scientific Papers and isolation of the active HIV VIRUS itself along with photos of the HIV VIRUS in the human body
2)The actual ACTIVE HIV VIRUS TEST that 100% confirms the presence or absence of the HIV VIRUS in the human body.I am LIVING PROOF Prof.Gilmore – are you?
I’d rather have scientific “proof” …rather than to quote your rebuttle “accept that I am infected”.
Look forward to receiving #1 and #2.
Tommy The Duke Morrison.
Tommy The Duke Morrison
4:32 PM on February 9, 2011
In 1996 I was “verbally told” I had a contageous virus named HIV -got kicked out of my sport. Cost me over $38.5million 15 years ago.
I think I have paid a heavy price to see proof of existense of the Virus and want the active HIV VIRUS test to prove/disprove I am contageous in the boxing ring.
I am sure others can relate to my story.
I am in the best shape of my life…almost 16 years later after being given a death sentence.
Why is it that when people have a “virus” (like flu) they go to their doctor with “sick symptoms” -they get a VIRUS TEST to detect the virus-they then get medication-they get better….and yet: with HIV VIRUS…
a perfectly healthy person goes in for a boxing license or even a DMV license…gets a test that does not detect the HIV VIRUS…is made to go on medication (because if they don’t they are in denial)…the medication side-effects turn out to be the symptoms of the so called HIV? Why do the HIV tests on the market not detect the VIR
Tommy The Duke Morrison
6:16 PM on February 9, 2011
Prof. Gilmore :
You mention that you do not want to address any “distorted presentation of the science and history of HIV.”
I agree totally..So let’s address . Scienific truths through evidence, and as you rightly state “not by what politicians, journalists, or even individual scientists might “declare.” ” and let’s use the quality of science to prove/disprove any existence of HIV VIRUS first before the development of any kind of “HIV” treatments and that way we can all once and for all erase the current “distorted presentation of the science and history of HIV” .
I do send a clear message out : “ask to see the HIV VIRUS…ask to take the HIV VIRUS TEST”..that detects 100% percent the presence or absence of the HIV VIRUS.
I chose to not take any medication. It made me sick. I chose to exercise..keep fit..eat healthy..and continue to be a Faithful Servant to God. “Everything Hidden In Darkness Will Come To The Light”.
Christ. Whos fault is this? Morrisons, of course. We all have to take personal responsibility for our actions and our knowledge, Im not dismissing that. And the Deniers, of course too. Disgusting pieces of shit that consciously distort information and ‘teach’ that information to others, for god knows what reason.
But who else?
Scientists? Should we write about this stuff more? More outreach? Are we doing okay now, but not enough 10 years ago?
Physicians? Most people trust their physicians and do whatever the hell they say to do– But why does Morrison not know what his tests results meant? What doesnt he know what the drugs he was on did? Why did his physicians not explain this to him?