Gene Expression

Apostasy on apostasy?

Looks like there might be a recantation of the argument against death for apostasy by the Grand Mufti of Egypt. Abu Aardvark has the details.


  1. #1 Abbie
    July 27, 2007

    Augh trying to wrap my head around Islam does my brain in. I don’t trust much information from either side.

    I really want to know the opinions of secular/atheist former Muslims living in Muslim countries who are deeply familiar with the religion as it as actually practiced.

    I’ve been meaning to look into it more, but all I’ve gotten to so far was Why I Am Not A Muslim, the content of which I’ve completely forgotten.

  2. #2 razib
    July 27, 2007

    I really want to know the opinions of secular/atheist former Muslims living in Muslim countries who are deeply familiar with the religion as it as actually practiced.

    check leaving islam (warrag).

  3. #3 Kurt9
    July 27, 2007

    When the advocates of a particular meme insist that anyone leaving that meme should be killed, what they are really saying is that they lack the confidence that their meme can compete in the open marketplace of ideas. This is indicative of an extreme form of insecurity about their meme and their confidence in that meme.

  4. #4 Bang Gully
    July 27, 2007

    Surah 10:99

    YUSUFALI: If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe!
    PICKTHAL: And if thy Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Wouldst thou (Muhammad) compel men until they are believers?
    SHAKIR: And if your Lord had pleased, surely all those who are in the earth would have believed, all of them; will you then force men till they become believers?

    And of course, the most common verse that is presented when this topic comes up
    YUSUFALI: Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.
    PICKTHAL: There is no compulsion in religion. The right direction is henceforth distinct from error. And he who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.
    SHAKIR: There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

    Also Surah 16:106
    YUSUFALI: Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters Unbelief,- except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith – but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty.
    PICKTHAL: Whoso disbelieveth in Allah after his belief – save him who is forced thereto and whose heart is still content with the Faith – but whoso findeth ease in disbelief: On them is wrath from Allah. Theirs will be an awful doom.
    SHAKIR: He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens (his) breast to disbelief– on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement.

    The punishment is from God, and not on this earth by humans.

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