As you have undoubtedly heard, a group of evolutionary biologists and evolutionary biology supporters attended a showing of the movie Expelled, in the Twin Cities, last night. This group included the very famous Richard Dawkins and the only slightly less famous PZ Myers. PZ and Richard, in fact, were together in line, along with PZ's spouse, a daughter, and a future son in law. Other evolution supporters and at least one local evolutionary-type blogger were also in line.
While waiting in line and minding their own business, PZ was spotted by the Expelled! production staff, and EXPELLED from the theater!!!! Richard Dawkins and the others were not picked up by this anti-truth security dragnet, and were able to attend the show.
So we have this:
vs this:
This could not have gone better if Myers and Dawkins had planned it. This absurd move on the part of Expelled producers, along with various internet accounts by Creationist Christian Yahoos that give patently false descriptions of the event, belie the deeply smarmy nature of American Creationist Cultism.
Later that evening, a film was made in a Minneapolis Hotel Room, staring PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins. By all accounts, this film is much better produced than Expelled!. The film can be seen here.
The internet is abuzz with this event. The following is a list of all of the posts I know of on the internet about this event. If you feel that I am missing something, email me!
Dawkins has written a review of the film, calle Lying for Jesus?
The entries below include eye witness accounts of the event, news coverage in major outlets including the New York Times, and blog commentary. I have not included creationist apologist posts. Sorry, not on my blog! (But there is really very little of that out there, amazingly).
Enjoy!
Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed ...
New York Times Coverage of the PZ Expulsion: No Admission for Evolutionary Biologist at Creationist Film
The Protest Ben Stein's Expelled Face Book Group
Salon: Expel, expelling, expelled!
Greg Laden Has all of the ExpelledGate Links
On Richard Dawkins Net: Discussion on PZ Myers being expelled from Expelled
TwinCities.com: Biology prof expelled from screening of 'Expelled'
IT'S IN THE COMICS!
Should Dawkins have been Expelled?
the expelled chronicles
Wikipedia Entry
Myers, Dawkins and Popcorn...& LOLTrilobites!
Genie Scott On PZ's Expulsion
Irony
Atheists From All Over the Country, And I'm Not There?
Just in time for Easter
Anti-evolutionists throw a biologist out of film showing
Mark Mathis a liar? How so?! EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT
PZ Myers: EXPELLED!
Expelled and Reduction ad Hitlerum
PZ Myers: A late night quick one
Dawkins Crashes Expelled Party
EXPELLED from "Expelled"!
THOSE FASCIST FUCKS THREW PZ OUT OF THE THEATRE RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!
PZ Expelled from Expelled
Myers Throws Self on Hand Grenade, Saves Evolutionary Biologist
On the list of the singularly most ridiculous things that have ever happened...
Irony is alive
I guess they're not going to invite him to the premiere
Rabble Rousing Evolutionist Expelled From Theater
PZ gets expelled ... and gets the last laugh.
P.Z. Expelled!, Dawkins in...
Too stupid for words
Excretion
Yeah, that's gonna leave a mark.
Ridiculous Demented Right-Wing Wackaloon Theocratic Douchemonkeys Fuck Up Big Time.
On Richard Dawkins Net
PZ Myers gets Expelled
On Talk Origins.
Casual Fridays: Can YOU recognize Richard Dawkins?
Saint PZ?
Expelled Flunked: An Own Goal
Creationism, evolution, and Nazis. Yes, Nazis.
Evolution teacher expelled from creationist movie
Ben Stein vs. PZ
Expelled from 'Expelled'
Priceless
Creationists Need to Evolve 'Smart' Intelligent Design
Expelled From Expelled
The Expelled Controversy
ID Stands for Intellectual Dishonesty
Monty Python guards Expelled.
ID = Intelligent Design = Intentional Dishonesty.
Verily the Lord Atheos sayeth unto yee...
Skatje Myers: I suppose it's due
Well that's gratitude for you
Expelled! The Movie To Be Pulled From Theaters Following Myers Dawkins-Gate Screwup
PZ Has Been Expelled: Smear Campaign to Follow
Florida Citizens for Science: Expelled incompetence
Pharyngula gets creationist movie boot and lies
Scientist 'Expelled' From Intelligent Design Movie
PZ was expelled from Expelled.
Historic Mall is Burning into the Night
Skeptic Friends Network
Still straining to find an excuse
PZ and Dawkins the "gatecrashers"
Pharyngula gets creationist movie boot plus lies
Bear Stearns isn't the Only Bankrupt Thing These Days
Dawkins and PZ on Expelled
And the never ending freak show just goes on and on and on...
OMFSM! The Expelling of PZ from Expelled Hits the NYT
PZ Gets Expelled and Wins teh Internets!
Rock Star Biologist -- University Tour 2008, or How I Got to Meet Richard Dawkins
Silly Creationists, The Trick's On You
Sandwalk: PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins Discuss "EXPELLED"
"Intelligent Design" has NOTHING to do with religion - nope - all science!
Dawkins and Myers on Being Expelled
Things that make me smile, Saturday edition, part 1: Creationists shooting themselves in the foot
Did you forget that other scandal?
Expelled: FAIL!
Intelligent Design Movie Is Not for Heathens
Oh, no! My most subtle asset, exposed!
This Controversy HELPS Ben Stein, People
LES CRÉATIONISTES NE VEULENT PAS QUE DES OPPOSANTS VOIENT LEURS FILMS
Ooops....
Der Schöpfung die Krone aufgesetzt
In which the intelligent design movement takes careful aim, and blows both feet off.
Win Ben Stein Some Brains!
WCCO News: Man Interviewed In Movie, Not Allowed To See It
Godwin's Law Never Fails
The Expelled Controversy
Diaphanitas' links
PZ Myers gets "Expelled" from Intelligent Design movie
God is Dead Day
Infidel Guy Radio forum
Expelled from Expelled... But that's not the best part
Blogger gets expelled from Expelled
So what does Dawkins think of "Expelled"
Expelled creators only want some people to preview it
Bruce Chapman is a liar
Expelled in Tempe ...
WAAR ZIJN CREATIONISTEN TOCH ZO BANG VOOR? EXPELLED FROM EXPELLED
In case you missed the story
The Spin Begins
They Expelling the Wrong Person!
the expelled from "expelled" story
EvolutionNews.org caught lying out its ass. Again.
Cdesign proponentsists lying? No never!
The Expelled Police: Not the brightest bulbs
Creationists kind of miss the point... LOL!!!
Life Science
Politics
Comments
Jeebus, but that tickles the cockles.
Posted by: J Daley | March 21, 2008 3:05 PM
I did some graphics as well
http://dererumnatura.us/archives/2008/03/flunked-expelle.html
Posted by: Reed A. Cartwright | March 21, 2008 3:22 PM
Jeffrey Overstreet wrote a couple of blog entries at http://artsandfaith.com/index.php?showtopic=16419&hl= about his story. Here is a quote from one about the comments being left at PZ's site;
"You haven't seen the posts I've deleted. I'm getting buried in messages that read like they've been written by the Uruk-Hai. Check out the tone of the comments on this page. I mean, I'm all for comments and discussion, but those folks have all the dignity of a gang of playground bullies."
Posted by: Wade | March 21, 2008 3:25 PM
Jeffrey Overstreet wrote a couple of blog entries at http://artsandfaith.com/index.php?showtopic=16419&hl= about his story. Here is a quote from one about the comments being left at PZ's site;
"You haven't seen the posts I've deleted. I'm getting buried in messages that read like they've been written by the Uruk-Hai. Check out the tone of the comments on this page. I mean, I'm all for comments and discussion, but those folks have all the dignity of a gang of playground bullies."
Posted by: Wade | March 21, 2008 3:26 PM
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2008/03/trojan-myers.html
Posted by: Cuttlefish | March 21, 2008 3:30 PM
Sorry about the double post, I had a Server Timed Out message, so I simply reposted without checking.
Posted by: wade | March 21, 2008 3:30 PM
I've got a post up sending readers PZ's way for this incredible story. Under the headline Creationism Update: Evicting the Bathwater Dept.
it's all so astonishingly fitting...
Posted by: Hugh | March 21, 2008 3:41 PM
How would it be possible to top P.Z.'s post? I just linked:
http://timpanogos.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/evolution-teacher-expelled-from-creationist-movie/
Posted by: Ed Darrell | March 21, 2008 3:43 PM
I have written a new post about this, because I feel very strongly about the movie spreading the lie about evolution and Nazis.
Posted by: Phil Plait, aka The Bad Astronomer | March 21, 2008 3:45 PM
By the way, James Walcott at Vanity Fair thinks the whole episode is delightful.
Posted by: pluky | March 21, 2008 3:55 PM
I have a short one at http://archaeoporn.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/ben-stein-vs-pz/
Posted by: thadd | March 21, 2008 4:18 PM
Posted by: Virgil Samms | March 21, 2008 4:44 PM
Really? I heard that it was just a Beatification.
Posted by: Sophist FCD | March 21, 2008 5:48 PM
Someone (not me) made an amusing lolscience macro:
Click here!
Posted by: Seamyst | March 21, 2008 6:02 PM
I blogged on it here.
Posted by: micketymoc | March 21, 2008 6:20 PM
And... we have newspaper coverage: http://www.twincities.com/ci_8653837
Posted by: Adam Cuerden | March 21, 2008 7:29 PM
I just ran across this gem of a comic. :-D
Posted by: The Science Pundit | March 21, 2008 7:56 PM
In case you haven't seen, the story is in NYT now:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/21/science/21expelledw.html
Posted by: zooey | March 21, 2008 8:11 PM
And this is my post: Should Dawkins have been Expelled?
Posted by: Ken | March 21, 2008 8:14 PM
In case it gets missed, here is Genie Scott, in the Pharyngula comments:
Posted by: Blake Stacey | March 21, 2008 8:34 PM
My blog post:
http://socraticgadfly.blogspot.com/2008/03/pharyngula-gets-creationist-movie-boot.html
Posted by: SocraticGadfly | March 21, 2008 9:55 PM
Florida Citizens for Science blog post "Expelled incompetence":
http://www.flascience.org/wp/?p=510
Posted by: Brandon | March 21, 2008 10:45 PM
http://www.evolutionnews.org/2008/03/richard_dawkins_worlds_most_fa.html#more
Paranoia and projection, not a pretty combination
Posted by: Qidam | March 21, 2008 11:17 PM
Colorado Confidential, which previously covered expelled picks up the story:
http://www.coloradoconfidential.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=3602
Posted by: Reed | March 21, 2008 11:20 PM
http://possummomma.blogspot.com/2008/03/pz-was-expelled-from-expelled.html
Posted by: possummomma | March 21, 2008 11:22 PM
Did you get this one?
http://www.twincities.com/allheadlines/ci_8653837?nclick_check=1
TwinCities.com: Biology prof expelled from screening of 'Expelled'
Posted by: Hank Fox | March 21, 2008 11:45 PM
I did a post on my site. Now all the people who come there doing searches on terms like "headless rabbit" and "cathy baker hee haw" can be enlightened about P.Z. Myers being expelled from Expelled!
http://anothermonkey.blogspot.com/2008/03/just-in-time-for-easter.html
Posted by: Harold | March 22, 2008 12:49 AM
We have claimed territory on the Wikipedia "Irony" page, with a definition of "breaking the irony meter."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony
To secure this bit of the memeplex, do mention, if so moved, when your irony meter has been overloaded, broken, exploded, etc.
Posted by: Dr Benway | March 22, 2008 1:15 AM
Like Ed Darrell, I thought little more was needed than a link. I just had to give a bit of context first:
Expelled, The Irony
Posted by: Bob O'H | March 22, 2008 1:55 AM
I just posted this:
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2389,Discussion-on-PZ-Myers-being-expelled-from-Expelled,Richard-Dawkins-PZ-Myers
Josh
Posted by: Josh Timonen | March 22, 2008 2:16 AM
here's mine!
http://toomanytribbles.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-chronicles.html
Posted by: toomanytribbles | March 22, 2008 2:19 AM
I came in on this late, but for what it's worth:
http://metamagician3000.blogspot.com/2008/03/myers-expelled-from-expelled.html
Posted by: Russell Blackford | March 22, 2008 7:36 AM
Keep them coming, I'll keep checking this and my email and updating regularly.
In a day or two, I'll reformat this mess and make it all pretty, alphabetical, whatever seems appropriate.
I don't understand why the Wikipedia entry on the movie refers only to these wishy wishy press pieces, and not to any of the first hand accounts on the internet, or to this compendium of links!!!
There are Irony people at Wikipedia who do not want Expelled in the entry. Somebody has to go back and put it in, right? Is that how it workrs?
But hey, don't make trouble. If the police grab you just GO LIMP GO LIMP... You've all had your training, REMEMBER YOUR TRAINING.
A wet rag in a plastic bag for the tear gas. It won't help but it will make you feel better. Be aware of which way the wind is blowing. If you hear pops or explosions, don't go away from the sound but rather, go into the wind.
(It is all coming back....)
Posted by: Greg Laden | March 22, 2008 10:04 AM
A foreigner's brief review of "Expelled" shenanigans....
Posted by: Adrian Thysse | March 22, 2008 11:01 AM
Here's my little contribution:
http://dust-in-a-sunbeam.blogspot.com/2008/03/silly-creationists-tricks-on-you.html
Posted by: Optimus Primate | March 22, 2008 11:36 AM
I've posted a couple of entries:
(or you could just click on my name below to see all at once)
http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/omfsm-expelling-of-pz-from-expelled.html
http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/pz-gets-expelled-and-wins-teh-internets.html
http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/rock-star-biologist-university-tour.html
including my experiences at the Center for Inquiry reception with Dawkins in Austin the evening before he was in Minneapolis. Dawkins used my paper in his speech ;)
Posted by: Susan Brown | March 22, 2008 12:07 PM
It's not the great American novel, but here's where I chuckle.
Posted by: The Flying Trilobite | March 22, 2008 12:19 PM
Oops, bad link last time.
Posted by: The Flying Trilobite | March 22, 2008 12:20 PM
Here's my post on my blog:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/03/and-never-ending-freak-show-just-goes.html
Posted by: Norman Doering | March 22, 2008 12:20 PM
There's an account at Libertes Internets that's worth including. (I don't see it above, but perhaps I missed it.) It isn't entirely clear to me who the author is (I don't know the site, CalGeorge linked to it in Pharyngula comments). It lists "Tim Carr - IES News Service Chicago - 22/03/2008" at the beginning, which makes me wonder whether this might be French translation of an article in English???
Posted by: Physicalist | March 22, 2008 1:17 PM
Russell Blackford has a thought commentary here:
http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/comments/2349/
Posted by: RBH | March 22, 2008 4:05 PM
Hmmm, you seem to have missed mine. I caught PZ's post while the movie was still on (Comment 45), laughed out loud several times, and got down to blogging: "Expelled FAIL!"
Posted by: Monado, FCD | March 22, 2008 4:15 PM
Me too! Me too!
Godwin's Law Never Fails
Posted by: jjberg | March 22, 2008 7:30 PM
I'm collecting other links:
http://diaphanus.livejournal.com/871071.html
Posted by: Ian Andreas Miller | March 22, 2008 8:13 PM
Ian,
I've added some of yours.
Posted by: Greg Laden | March 22, 2008 8:27 PM
I'll toot my own horn.
Posted by: wheatdogg | March 22, 2008 9:06 PM
More:
http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2008/03/bruce_chapman_is_a_liar.php
http://scienceblogs.com/strangerfruit/2008/03/expelled_in_tempe.php
Posted by: John Lynch | March 22, 2008 9:41 PM
I couldn't finish PhysioProfs post. How one makes this topic unreadable is an achievement in itself.
Posted by: Michael X | March 23, 2008 4:36 AM
Joining the wave, here's mine.
Posted by: C. L. Hanson | March 23, 2008 12:53 PM
I've done a couple of pieces on Expelled, although just how much can you flog a dead horse, but my piece on this story is at:
http://bitchspot.jadedragononline.com/?p=222
Posted by: Cephus | March 23, 2008 5:00 PM
Keep flogging the dead horse. Here's the post I did on the subject:
http://dangblog.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/the-expelled-from-expelled-story/
Posted by: Dan Green | March 23, 2008 10:15 PM
I took the liberty of upgrading the LOLDawkins posted to Myers' Expelled thread:
http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2008/3/23/128508027995000000.jpg
also here, but larger:
http://profile.imageshack.us/user/didymos/images/detail/#186/lolexpelledpz0.jpg
Posted by: Thomas S. Howard | March 23, 2008 11:33 PM
And here are my two.
The first, covering pretty much the whole Expelled silliness:
http://mattcbr.wordpress.com/2008/03/21/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed-why-its-a-load-of-bunk/
The second a response to EvolutionNews.org's lying out it's ass.
http://mattcbr.wordpress.com/2008/03/23/evolutionnewsorg-caught-lying-out-its-ass-again/
Posted by: Matt | March 23, 2008 11:36 PM
http://bigdumbchimp.blogspot.com/2008/03/cdesign-proponentsists-lying-no-never.html
and
http://bigdumbchimp.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-police-not-brightest-bulbs.html
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbCHimp | March 24, 2008 9:54 AM
You know you've made it when your irony explosion gets picked up on BookCrossing chat forums: Creationists kind of miss the point--LOL. The start of thread quotes Prof. Myers' original post and there are more than 90 responses.
Here's the link in clear:
http://www.bookcrossing.com/forum/5/5248874/94
Posted by: Monado, FCD | March 24, 2008 11:57 AM
New Scientist has a review of Expelled.. Money quote:
The whole review is well worth reading.Posted by: RBH | March 24, 2008 5:39 PM
Here is my (fairly detailed) post at Science Reporting blog:
http://sciencereporting.blogspot.com/2008/03/pz-id-and-bs.html
Posted by: Patrick McComb | March 24, 2008 7:39 PM
I have a collection of links to blog posts on this topic on my own blog as well, which includes some reactions from religion scholars, theologians and other such sources.
Posted by: James McGrath | March 25, 2008 9:09 AM
You may add to the list the post at Talk Reason at http://www.talkreason.org/articles/expelled.cfm . TalkReason is not a blog but rather an archive, but this story was too funny not to be reacted to.
Posted by: Mark Perakh | March 25, 2008 11:02 AM
You forgot Substantiate your assertion, PZ
Posted by: William Wallace | March 25, 2008 8:24 PM
There was an "Expelled Contest" to see who could come up with the greatest persecution story; however, it has been closed down between yesterday afternoon and this morning.
http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-contest.html
Posted by: Susan Brown | March 26, 2008 8:36 AM
There was an "Expelled Contest" to see who could come up with the greatest persecution story; however, it has been closed down between yesterday afternoon and this morning.
http://sbrownblog.blogspot.com/2008/03/expelled-contest.html
Posted by: Susan Brown | March 26, 2008 8:37 AM
http://unintelligencedispelled.blogspot.com/
Just a brief coverage of the incident, but will be updating with more news and opinion pieces on ID and the buzz created by Expelled.
Posted by: NP | March 26, 2008 8:38 AM
here is my contribution
www.biolaw.blogspot.com
Posted by: rebb | March 26, 2008 9:52 PM
I've written a post trying to keep track of all of the different contradictory stories coming from the ID crowd about this incident. It's here: Expelled movie public-relations definitely not intelligently designed. Submissions welcome!
Posted by: nerdiah | March 28, 2008 8:12 AM
John Patterson, film reviewer for The Guardian, wrote yesterday:
"The actor Ben Stein has switched from TV comedy, where his talents really lie, to political apologias, where his talents simply die...."
A step to the right
Posted by: themadlolscientist | March 29, 2008 2:40 AM
Monkey Trials: Atheism's Jay Leno?
OK, so my previous entry wasn't about Expelledgate - but it's nice to see that our friends across the pond are picking up on the ridiculousness of the movie and BS's appearance in it.
Posted by: themadlolscientist | March 29, 2008 12:42 PM
Monkey Trials: Atheism's Jay Leno?
OK, so my previous entry wasn't about Expelledgate - but it's nice to see that our friends across the pond are picking up on the ridiculousness of the movie and BS's appearance in it.
Posted by: themadlolscientist | March 29, 2008 1:06 PM
Sorry about the double hit. Firefox choked on me. :-\
Posted by: themadlolscientist | March 30, 2008 3:30 PM
Here's another link: "Irony/hypocrisy/funny."
Posted by: Monado, FCD | March 31, 2008 12:39 AM
The Skepticality podcast #074 for 4/1/'08 includes interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer about Expelled:
http://www.skepticality.com/index.php
The link to the show will eventually be here:
http://www.skepticality.com/sn_Ep74.html
Enjoy!
Posted by: HiEv | April 3, 2008 10:40 PM
I have seen some blogs which were claiming a lawsuit against the production company of "Expelled" for animation copyrights infringement...lol...Of course these allegations are not true, and finally the "Expelled" site responded by saying...
"Questions have been raised about the origination of some of the animation used in our movie EXPELLED: No Intelligence Allowed. Claims that we have used any animation in an unauthorized manner are simply false. Premise Media created the animation that illustrates cellular activity used in our film."
Posted by: Michael | April 12, 2008 3:52 AM
I read your comments about Dawkins sneaking in and Meyers being expelled.Seems to me that someone like yourself should be intelligent enough to know the difference between an invite only prescreening and the normal pay to view.It is not only unethical to crash a party,os to sneak into an invite only event uninvited,but it is also tresspassing.If these two were to pay to get in,they would be as welcome as anyone else.So top call the Expelled croud hypocrits,is either incredibly stupid.(which i doubt you are,a bit misguided maybe.)Or you,like so many othersare willing to lie through your teeth to demonize othere who disagree with you.It's not that you are stupid,just morally bankrupt.
Unlike your crowd,the ID crowd is not trying to silence anybody,just be allowd to pose questions,and have all reasonable possibilities open for free thinkers to be able to weigh all of the evidence,and make up their own minds.
It has been evident that the fascists in this country are not the religious right,or even agnostics,But the athiests who have been forcing their views down everyones throats for the past 40 or 50 years,any way they can,specifically by silencing any opposing views.and of course,by arrogantly insinuating that those who disagree are simply not as intellegent,or somehow mentally ill.
If the case for Darwinism is so strong,Then why is there a need to silence any opposing positions?unless you believe that the average person is not intellegent enough to understand science,in which case,you are not only arrogant,but bigoted.
Posted by: Douglas W page | April 15, 2008 9:11 PM
Douglas,
Myers did not try to sneak in. You must not have heard that there was no fee for entrance to the event from which Myers was Expelled. It was not invite-only. Individuals were able to sign up in advance, which Myers did. His being asked to leave had nothing to do with crashing a party or trying to get in without paying.
Sheesh. You don't know what you're talking about!
Posted by: Serena | April 15, 2008 9:50 PM
.. what she said ...
Posted by: Greg Laden | April 15, 2008 10:18 PM
is it really "unethical to crash a party"? what if I bring some really good weed?
Posted by: the real cmf | April 15, 2008 10:21 PM
Douglass: "of course,by arrogantly insinuating that those who disagree are simply not as intellegent,or somehow mentally ill."
Douglass, have you also noticed a trend amongst the left leaners to bash the mentally ill? I think it would be meritorious to parse through some of the more left blogs and find that in fact their IS a trend in that direction--despite railings against those who stand accused of homofobia, massagerists,rascists, and anti-feminiSS, it appears it is still acceptable to deride the mentally ill, especially at PZ's blog( just read through the comments--they are generally rabidly insensitive to the mentally ill)...
Posted by: Napoleon MacKinnon | April 15, 2008 10:26 PM
Doug,
It is true that many people were sent information about how to sign up for this showing, and PZ Myers and his family, as well as Richard Dawkins, all signed up the way they were supposed to.
It happens that the producer of the film recognized PZ and tossed him out of the theater.
Your side did something really awful. Deal.
Posted by: Andrew | April 15, 2008 10:39 PM
"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor"
Douglas, you have sinned. Go to confession.
Posted by: Elizabeth | April 15, 2008 10:42 PM
Wait, so if this showing was invite-only as you claim, how exactly did Myers' name end up on the admissions list? How did he get tickets?
Actually, Douglass, forget those. I only have one question I'd really like you to answer. Are you really deluded enough to believe what you're saying, or do know how patently false it is.
I'll admit, though, I wasn't aware of the existence of massagerists. Napoleon, could you provide any links on these anti-massage crusaders to satisfy my curiousity?
Posted by: Master Mahan | April 15, 2008 11:12 PM
Kevin Miller apologized to PZ Myers (for accusing him of 'gatecrashing') on the 21 march. I've seen this get very little play in the blogosphere but it seems significant to me. Kevin Miller as the writer of Expelled is inside the 'expelled camp'. If Mathis and others has kept on stating PZ 'gatecrashed' since the 21 March this suggest they could've/should've known different.
Direct link:
http://kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/i-repent.html
He preannonunced it here:
http://www.antievolution.org/cgi-bin/ikonboard/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST;f=14;t=5152;st=660#entry101294
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When I first heard what went down at the Minneapolis screening, I understood that PZ Myers and Richard Dawkins had attempted to sneak in under false pretenses and that PZ got caught. However, PZ claims to have followed the proper procedure--registering under his own name, not packing a video camera, etc.--and I believe him. (I have no idea if Dawkins did the same.) I also understood that the screening was by invitation only. I did not realize that there was an online form for people to sign up and reserve a spot. (I'm the writer, so I'm not really privy to the marketing side of things.) So if PZ followed the correct procedures, why was he still kicked out? I'll let the producers of Expelled speak to that--which they will do shortly. And trust me, it's not because they were afraid of him.
As for me, I would like to apologize to PZ for the misinformation on my blog.
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Posted by: ihedenius | April 16, 2008 9:13 AM
Mahan: Try www.feministing.com
a place where all good touch is bad touch, and they are out of touch... massages AND masseuserists are despised there especially if they are male; they are a place where all touch is bad unless it is invasive, boundary crossing, and and maternal( but with a long talk afterwards), or disciplinary--from the closeted womens gym class teacher for example...
Posted by: Napoleon MacKinnon | April 16, 2008 12:42 PM
Odd, you'd think Expelled!'s producers would want the press that those two would have generated, and even have had cameras on hand to record it themselves. Something's clearly not being said, whether or not it's duplicitous and malicious.
Posted by: Doug Baker | June 24, 2008 12:39 PM
Perhaps the guest list got loaded by practical jokers? It was a web sign-up after all. What sort of verification was put into this? Check on a throw-away email address?
Ameritania Hotel New York
I could easily see the guy vetting the list ...
"We've got 21 'Charles Darwins' msn nickleri
and 15 'Thomas Huxleys'. And look, 5 'Richard Dawkins'. I removed all I found - I just hope one didn't slip by."
Posted by: msn sozleri | November 4, 2008 10:36 AM
I find it more amusing the amount of time used and wasted getting all worked up over a movie.
In a sense Expelled has proven one thing, that the people opposed to any mention of Intelligent Design are rabid in their convictions.
Simply amazing... Must have evolution all figured out with all this free time eh?
Posted by: Darren | April 4, 2009 8:24 PM