It Is Over

The difference between before now and now is that the number of super delegates uncommitted is less than the number of delegates Obama is short of the number needed to nominate.

For the United States, it is now hopeless.

Wow, IN is down to a 4% diff with 25% of precincts remaining, many of which are Obama heavy. Don't think he could pull out IN but it will be much closer than many thought.

In fact, he already conceded Indiana. Which means if he wins by one vote it is a big win. Good move.

If you could take out the Limbaugh vote, I bet Obama won Indiana, too.

I'd much rather see Bill Richardson as Secretary of State, and I really want Sheldon Whitehouse for Attorney General.

"the Limbaugh vote" = the Hillary vote;

or, put another way: "the two left feet of the right wing"

Go Barack!

Joel: is that because if Hillary wins IN. she brings the country back into the possession of International cabbalists, or because McCain could still win, and flood PBS with Golden Girls re-runs?

"International cabbalists"

Conspiracy theory much?

www.conspiracyplanet.com/

Regarding "the Limbaugh vote," I just want to clarify.

As far as I understand, Indiana allows crossover voting, so "the Limbaugh vote" are Republicans who are voting in the Indiana primary and following the instructions of Rush to vote for Clinton in order to screw things up for the Democrats.

Ahcuah: Yes, I thought so. But one must indeed find it ironic that both Rush and Ann Coulter have endorsed Hillary. An endorsement is an endorsement, and Hillary--the whole white woman vote for that matter-- fits right in with those two.

Obama has definitely won North Carolina. And while it looks like Hillary is ahead(slightly) in Indiana, Obama will still have more delegates pledged to him than Hillary. IOW, he will still be about the same number ahead of her as he has always been, but Greg is right: the superdelegates will keep leaking over to Obama(not by much, though). So she'll probably try to keep fighting to the bitter end. And the pundits will keep gabbling till the bitter end.
Anne G

Obama has definitely won North Carolina. And while it looks like Hillary is ahead(slightly) in Indiana, Obama will still have more delegates pledged to him than Hillary. IOW, he will still be about the same number ahead of her as he has always been, but Greg is right: the superdelegates will keep leaking over to Obama(not by much, though). So she'll probably try to keep fighting to the bitter end. And the pundits will keep gabbling till the bitter end.
Anne G

Sorry, Bill Dembski for Secretary of State?

You really do hate America.

Greg can't mean Dembski for SecState it must be Bill O'Reilly.

No that can't be right either, with Greg's love of Windows it has to be Bill Gates.

It won't be over until Hillary climbs over a mountain of corpses to claim the Office of President, no matter how the vote goes. There's nothing and no one she won't throw under the bus to try to get power. Right now, she's more McCain than McCain. Wait till she tries to accuse McCain of doing things she is doing right now, or supporting things that she also supports. No wonder many of her followers will vote for McCain - he's Hillary in mufti.

(and yeah, the Obamaniacs who would vote for McCain instead of Hillary are just as disgusting)

And Arthur Negus has held Bristols. I'm sorry, that's not a result it's just a piece of gossip....
(Is there anywhere you couldn't use a quote from Monty Python?!)

Given Superdelegates can change their minds at any time they so choose (and as many times as they like), it technically isn't over. Senator Clinton will keep slogging away. Democrats created this mess by having Superdelegates in the first place. Add on top of that Michigan and Florida. For those two, the Democrats should have done what the GOP did, cut the number of delegates representing those states in half and let the candidates campaign. By not counting them at all they have created a no-win situation for themselves. All for what? Protecting the right of certain states to come first. It is almost like the Democrats are trying not to win the presidency in November.

By the way, is there a good reason why not all states vote at the same time in the primary, since they do this on the real voting day? (I'm European, and seen from here, this is even more ridiculous than it is worrying. I'm willing to contribute $.25 to the Democrat campaign - on the condition that they toss said quarter and choose once and for all, and stop all this blood going on the walls).

(and yeah, the Obamaniacs who would vote for McCain instead of Hillary are just as disgusting)

The Obamaniacs and their conspiracy mindset are simply a disappointment, no matter who they vote for.

The existence of Obamomaniacs who would not vote for Clinton were she the candidate has been greatly exaggerated. All Obmama supporters will support Clinton and visa versa.

There is a small effect of people who went to the polls for the first time because Obama is running. Some of them will not show up for the general even if Obama is the candidate. There is a risk of losing others if Clinton is the candidate but not because of a push back .... these are people who voted in the primaries, had never voted before, and will never vote again unless they get excited. Every election has a tiny number of these, some have a greater number. The Democratic Party is actually pretty good at exploiting this when it occurs.

There are Obama supporters who are absolutely foaming at the mouth at Clinton. They will go on and on (totally justified, by the way) about how Clinton is ruining the party, etc. etc. etc. But then if you ask them "OK, but if she's the nominee, who will you vote for" and they always say "Well, Clinton, she's the Democrat."

No amount of Democratic party politics will make Democrats forget that they are Democrats and that a Bush Third Term is not an option.

There are Obama supporters who are absolutely foaming at the mouth at Clinton. They will go on and on (totally justified, by the way)

No, total bullshit by the way.

Joel, I don't understand what you are saying.

I don't think the drawn-out primary is particularly bad for the Democrats this year. There's such a money advantage that they will have no problem paying for it. But I sure am getting tired of the viciousness going on between some parties. Talkleft has been over the top in attacking Obama and his supporters. On the other side, AmericaBlog and DailyKos have been just as bad. Can't we all just take it down a notch or two?

Clinton's campaign has been doing what any campaign would do that has fallen behind and watched it's chances dwindling. Nothing she has done has been particularly bad. And it pales in comparison to what the GOP will do this fall. It's not like she's giving them any ideas - they are masters at the smear campaign. If Obama wins, the GOP will be giving Clinton lessons in how to attack Obama. She'll be saying, "Damn, I could have said that!"

And some Obama supporters have been particularly hard on Clinton, too. As an Obama supporter, I'm not as sensitive to that stuff, but it's happening.

We will pull together in the fall. And whatever happens, I'm looking forward to standing in my local Democratic office with tears in my eyes on election night, watching either the first woman or the first black to be elected President. Isn't the thought of that enough to make everyone lighten up a little?

We will pull together in the fall. And whatever happens, I'm looking forward to standing in my local Democratic office with tears in my eyes on election night, watching either the first woman or the first black to be elected President. Isn't the thought of that enough to make everyone lighten up a little?

Here Here!

It is too bad that the Democrats are throwing out Ohio and Florida's votes. I thought Democrats were against disenfranchisement? That whole mess has been handled very badly.

Obama's crew don't want a redo because in all likelihood those states would go to Hillary. Since the national party wasn't going to recognize the voting in those states, it isn't fair to use the results that came out of those states either. - Which Hillary's crew will be pulling for.

It is very unDemocratic to disenfranchise voters, but that is what has happened in those two states.

Jim,

If the party did not deal very strictly with states that decide to act like there is not a national party, there would be absolute chaos. This has to happen this way. The people of those states were disenfranchised by their state party leaders, and have the means and right to remove them from positions of responsibility.

In any event, at this point in time, you could take Florida and Michigan and stick them in the numbers and Obama still wins.

BY the way, Michigan is totally screwed. There is no way to un-dis-enfranchise those voters without a total redo, because of the way the ballot was constructed.

The states have indicated that they would not do a redo unless the party paid for it. As a democrat in a state that did not screw up, I am totally opposed to the national party paying for the absurd and obnoxious behavior of the party leaders in these two states. Especially Florida, where it is the Republicans tho are causing this problem.

By the way, Republicans should not complain about the system used by the Democrats because a) it is the same system and b) the Republicans always follow the Democrats, always adopt the Democratic Party changes.

i've said it before and i'll say it again --- we'll have president McCain in november, because nobody the Democrats could possibly nominate at this point is capable of pulling off a landslide victory. the last two presidential elections show us what happens if the Democrats don't manage a landslide; lawyering and finagling through whatever extra-electoral means to get the republican into office. it flat out doesn't matter who the Democrats put on the ballot unless that person can win by (i would estimate) a double-digit percentage point margin in the public vote, because anything less is a de facto republican victory.

get ready for four more years of McSame, because that's what we'll get.

We will pull together in the fall. And whatever happens, I'm looking forward to standing in my local Democratic office with tears in my eyes on election night, watching either the first woman or the first black to be elected President. Isn't the thought of that enough to make everyone lighten up a little?

joel:
"their conspiracy mindset" exactly where is this conspiracy mindset? In Joel, yes, but elsewhere? Dude that mindset, famously used by Hilly is outdated, and one more reminder of why we need Barack--a fresh sand in a sullied playground--a ground that was soiled by the pseudo credential of faux-Democrats like Billary.

Racism is real though:
1)the Clinton campaign has orchestrated some of the new race politics (non-Jewish white women pander to the clever tossing of the race card--"black man as rapist" anyone?)
2) Hillary tossed the "boy" card more than a million times at first using the word experience"
3) we already know the Clintons are fake black anyways, and Bill moved to Harlem for...?

No conspiracy there.

Obama folk foaming at the mouth? Nothing at all like all of those rabid fearful white women( and their kinfolks's) who have a love-lust-fear relationship with the 'black man'. If only they could own Barack--like so many white women whio just can't wait to adopt those cute lil' black kids "they're so cute, I want one of those"--but they ain't much use to 'em if they 'belong to other white women are they;-)

Now there's a comment that's gone way over the line. Sit down and take a breath, cmf. You seem to be taking a lot of the normal political stuff personally.

There's a very small chance that Clinton could be the Dem nominee. What will you do if that happens? From the looks of it, you won't be able to vote for her.

Forty years from now, will you want to tell your great-grandkids that you sat on your hands in the election of 2008 - when the first woman was elected? That you couldn't support her because ... things got a little heated in the primary?

There's not that much difference between Obama and Clinton. Try to lighten up a bit.

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Greg - what's up with the comments that are just repeats of one of my earlier paragraphs (ali @ 12:20 and london @ 2:27)?

The existence of Obamomaniacs who would not vote for Clinton were she the candidate has been greatly exaggerated.

I've been thinking the same thing. I mean, how many of the above are there in the country? Four? Five? Okay, maybe an exaggeration, but I'm wondering where all these potentially Obama-supporting McCain voters are.

idahogie: thanks for the comment,and I like your blog title--I thought I was the only one who did one pint at a time democracy!!??

but my comment was directed at joel, who keeps popping in to spook everyone with the Clintonologist appeazing word "conspiracy"...

so read up the line a bit further for context. There is no conspiracy against Hillary, just a lot of common sense that is able to view white female privilege for what it is: another entitlement given to the historically most entitled of our culture.

I would love to see a woman as president: just not a woman who has never been asked to do what it is that men are asked to do-- shoulder unsightly and heavy burdens like war, death, and prison; just not another entitled white woman who talks about gender disparity while living the life of Queen Victoria while she backs policies that tilt issues like womens violence against children and men into the realm of myth, and then campaign by saying "I am a fighter"...if Bill could only tell those stories;-)

Perhaps if a woman such as a Coral Wong Pietsch entered politics, and her ideas were like my own, there would be common ground, because she has the experience of being marginalized like average men are, as well as that she has endured the similar hardships rather than talking about enduring hardships: "Pietsch is the first, and currently only, female general in the 228-year history of the Judge Advocate General Corps." She is from Oahu.

And it is not at all out of context when you consider what Hillary, and fearful white women in general have done for prison growth, and a social climate that increased the already huge chasm between opportunity and disparity that exists for lower to middle income men, or what the progression of Dem politics has done for the right.

"a very small chance that Clinton could be the Dem nominee. What will you do if that happens"

I will vote for McCain, and then move to China, where at least their is hope of liberalization, and where men, for now, still have some rights that aren't entirely leveraged by whether or not they support the causes of the ever hungry war mongering matrilineal, matrilocal societies we call "western nations.".

The repeated comments are spambots. We are trying to control them, but they are getting out of hand at the moment.