Have you noticed? Did you hear the other shoe drop? (very very quietly, yes, but I'm sure I heard it...)
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It's over! (Again. Maybe)
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Posted on: May 16, 2008 5:34 PM, by Greg Laden
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I'm wondering if anyone would care to write an argument in favor of Obama? I've yet to see anything that would lead me to beleive is any different from anyone else, including McCain.
Posted by: Joel | May 16, 2008 8:49 PM
Joel: Obama is a) not a Republican, and b) not related by blood or marriage to any previous president.
If you can show me that Obama is a registered Republican, and his father or spouse was the president, I'll gladly apologize.
[Also, you're arguing from ignorance. Google is your friend. If you haven't seen anything, it's because you haven't looked.]
Posted by: HP | May 16, 2008 9:18 PM
HP, That's it? That's the only reason Obama should be President? You are aware a few hunder million people have those qualifications, aren't you?
Posted by: Joel | May 16, 2008 9:25 PM
Joel, he's also willing to bring CHANGE! and will gladly imply that the change you want is precisely what he'll put into practice once he's elected.
Remember: the qualifications are for being elected, not for successfully managing the office.
Posted by: Caledonian | May 16, 2008 9:52 PM
Joel, you dodged the point to focus on a joke. If you want to know about Obama, go to Wikipedia or Google. No one's going to give you a lecture on his life story (except Obama. Both his books are very well written).
Posted by: Colin Foley | May 16, 2008 10:18 PM
Colin, HP's statement was no joke, it's typical. I've RTFM, I haven't seen any difference between the candidates. Caledonian sums it up nicely...
Posted by: Joel | May 16, 2008 11:03 PM
One argument in favor of Obama is that he's willing to say there are problems. He says it even when it's not a popular message, despite Caledonian's insinuations to the contrary.
When you say you don't see any difference between the candidates, I'm torn between two conclusions. One, you're lying in an attempt to sway others. Two, you're too cynical for even our political process. Obama is not Clinton is not McCain.
Posted by: Stephanie Z | May 17, 2008 12:21 AM
One argument in favor of Obama is that he's willing to say there are problems.
Finally! A democrat has the spine it takes to say life isn't perfect. Leibniz never mastered that all his life.
Posted by: D | May 17, 2008 2:40 AM
I have heard both Hillary and McCain state there are problems, McCain has even described Bush's Iraq policy as failed.
One, you're lying in an attempt to sway others. Two, you're too cynical for even our political process. Obama is not Clinton is not McCain.
When you say that, I'm not torn between conclusions, there is only one. You cannot describe any differences between the candidate and you become critical of the person asking the question.
Posted by: Joel | May 17, 2008 8:34 AM
How about:
Clinton voted yes and Obama voted no on the bill authorizing the war in Iraq.
Clinton and Obama have somewhat different health care plans.
There are other differences. Joel, insisting that there is no difference and demanding that others prove you wrong is lazy and short sighted.
Obama and Clinton are not that different as they are both good Democrats. The two are different from the republicans in many ways.
Posted by: Elizabeth | May 17, 2008 8:43 AM
To claim that there is no difference between the candidates is asinine. I'm willing to be generous and assume that Joel is simply attempting to use hyperbole to express dissatisfaction with our political system, but really, to claim that you cannot see any difference between McCain and Obama just makes you sound like a moron. Three words: gas tax holiday. That should be a fairly simple enough place to start: one supports the idea, the other opposes it. Then you can move on to considering the fact that one (however critical he may be regarding execution of the war) thought invading Iraq was good idea, one did not. Then try reflecting on the type of justices each candidate is likely to nominate. If you wish there were more significant differences, fine - I even agree - but try not to overstate your case so much that you appear to be a complete ignoramus.
Posted by: Doyle | May 17, 2008 10:37 AM
Joel, you ignored the second part to my statement about being willing to talk about problems, which makes me lean toward dishonest. But hey, in the interest of all being friends together and asking simple questions with no agenda beyond discovering truth: if they're all the same, why not vote for Obama?
Posted by: Stephanie Z | May 17, 2008 11:57 AM
Elizabeth -
Obama has talked a lot about his having "opposed the war from the start", and so I understand your confusion (similar to that of those who believed that Iraq had something to do with 9/11), but he did not vote against the bill. He was not yet a Senator.
Posted by: Analiese | May 18, 2008 2:59 PM